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sustainable_saltmine 266 points ago +269 / -3

one thing that needs to be done regulation-wise is DECOUPLE the "app stores" from the devices. There shouldn't be an "official app store" for Android or Apple. Use whichever phone you want but you shouldn't be bound to only getting apps from where the manufacturer of the phone or phone OS says you're allowed to. It shouldn't be baked into the phone OS. the manufacturer of the OS should have NO control over the apps installed on the phone.

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Cakes4077 107 points ago +109 / -2

They can have an official store for apps that have been vetted by staff, but they should allow downloading of anything

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Trump-16-20-24-28-32 118 points ago +118 / -0

That's not the apple/communist way of doing things.

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ltpayne 17 points ago +17 / -0

or goog play store... see how all the kidfukers kinect at the kuntline

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doug2 12 points ago +12 / -0

Wut

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SordidPontification 7 points ago +7 / -0

You can still install APKs on Android (with caveats), and you can still use 3rd party app stores like F-Droid.

It's not ideal but it's not the same as Apple. If you want to install something yourself on iOS you still need XCode.

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TravelingSalesman 1 point ago +1 / -0

I could be wrong, but I think you have to put your Android device in "developer mode" to install APKs, which 99.9% of normies aren't going to do.

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SordidPontification 1 point ago +1 / -0

You don't. You just need to toggle "install unknown apps" for the app you used to download the APK. Or, optionally, your file browser.

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User_X 2 points ago +2 / -0

If they do drop the Twitter app... Elon should sue.

There were more issues with the past regime and we're allowed to stay.

Only once the politics changed do they have a want to block twitter.

It would hinder a multi billion dollar company if Apple was allowed to block the Twitter app.

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Test_user21 0 points ago +1 / -1

Da, comrade

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NomadicKrow2 20 points ago +20 / -0

There should be a choice of app stores. The people running the store should approve the apps. You can have your liberal bullshit app store with only Approved Messaging, or you can have an app store that makes sure none of the apps are malicious but generally has apps uncensored.

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TonsOfSalt 14 points ago +15 / -1

Unless something as changed, Android does let you do that. You just enable 3rd party apps in settings, and you can download them.

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myswedishfriend 8 points ago +8 / -0

The thing is, phones were made for idiots. The people who can successfully navigate installing a third party app aren't the problem.

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glasses2020 1 point ago +2 / -1

Then shame and banish the idiots. If you can figure out how to side load the apps or use a web shortcut for a web app, you shouldn't even be voting.

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kalshebikalim 2 points ago +2 / -0

You don't need to enable 3rd party apps

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trumpORbust 0 points ago +2 / -2

Many OEMs block side loading unless you root you device -- XDA can be a friend

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krackenPie 9 points ago +9 / -0

Never had a phone that didn't allow 3rd party apps

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thisguy883 5 points ago +5 / -0

I'm on an S21 Ultra and I'm not blocked by anything to install what ever APK I want.

Apple has always been shit in regards to not letting people do anything.

See: MacBook

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kalshebikalim 1 point ago +1 / -0

Which?

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cream_y 10 points ago +10 / -0

Agree

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Bane 4 points ago +4 / -0

Just like Internet explorer

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populist_nationalist 1 point ago +2 / -1

Yeah if Microsoft can’t force you to use Internet Explorer on Windows, it seems the precedent is already there.

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QuickHands 49 points ago +51 / -2

And that's what it used to be -- it just to just be a means to make sure you weren't installing spyware, viruses, etc. That was their ONLY function before, as far as "free" apps goes.

Only in recent years did they start this authoritarian "hate speech" monitoring and other bullshit.

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 25 points ago +26 / -1

https://mobile.twitter.com seems to work just fine. Who needs an app store?

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DixMcCoy 24 points ago +26 / -2

Because some people are hopelessly and technologically ignorant - not that I am defending them.

With all the stuff with web technology, there is no need for a dedicated app.

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Elencher 2 points ago +2 / -0

I like to imagine a world were we go back to computers being tools for trained professionals and everybody else just...doesn't use them. Nothing was wrong with having to use a fucking phone book and paper personal organizer. In fact, the old people I see who still walk around with such systems are far better organized than the people with 90 different devices and software services.

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TravelingSalesman 1 point ago +1 / -0

Let your fingers do the walkin'

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Barbs -1 points ago +7 / -8

Because I like getting notifications when people tweet. You don’t get that in a browser. Plus many apps also integrate with the system, so I can use them as services within other apps.

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doug2 28 points ago +33 / -5

Barbs, no one is that important that you need fucking notifications about them tweeting. Check them when you shit like a normal person!

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thisguy883 6 points ago +6 / -0

Correct.

Unless you're watching tweets from companies of which you own stock.

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ProdigalPlaneswalker 15 points ago +15 / -0

unplug from the matrix

it's a cool place to visit, but humans shouldn't live there

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Elencher 1 point ago +1 / -0

I get its easy to say such things about making it easier to run in the background, but remember the second you do such things, every sketch coder is busy trying to exploit that to turn your phone into a bitcoin mine.

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deepbake 1 point ago +1 / -0

[ flash has entered the chat ]

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DixMcCoy 6 points ago +6 / -0

I get notifications on Waterfox on my desktop and laptop? :/

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sumnayin2 6 points ago +7 / -1

stop noticing things

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unicornpoop 3 points ago +4 / -1

"I like getting notifications when people tweet." Is this a boomer thing? I stopped answering my phone around 2009.

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thisguy883 4 points ago +4 / -0

Unless I know who is calling, I don't answer the phone.

If it's important, they will leave a voicemail.

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spezisacuckold 4 points ago +12 / -8

People that enjoy having the maximum amount of potential features for apps and don't want to be treated as second class citizens?

Like, what kind of stupid question is this...

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MLGS 3 points ago +3 / -0

If you can't get on the two app stores, you can't ever expand beyond a certain audience.

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TravelingSalesman 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, if a person can't figure out how to get to a website, then they're definitely not going to figure out how to side-load an APK.

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akira2501 4 points ago +4 / -0

If you allow a market to be monopolized, then the government will not be able to resist the temptation to interfere it. Monopolies are explicitly anti-republican. You cant have them and a functioning society of free people at the same time.

Even worse.. most politicians only care about the "efficiency" argument, they never understand the "labor" portion of the argument. If there are only a handful of employers in your sector, you're far less likely to be a whistleblower or to expose wrongdoing. You're just as tied to the monopoly as the government is.

This is a huge back door problem in our system.

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TravelingSalesman 1 point ago +1 / -0

After the last two years, I'm convinced that a vast majority of computer viruses were just made up to get people to buy anti-virus software.

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Trump-16-20-24-28-32 19 points ago +19 / -0

If a developer wants to get an iphone app on the app store, they need to go through all sorts of hoops, it needs reviewed by apple, they need to be able to test it, etc... they go through a review process, tell you what you have to fix (and not necessarily bugs, it could be anything the tester doesn't like)... they may say "well, this app doesn't give much more functionality than the actual website." Literally, they will block your native iphone app if you simply take the website and display it in the app... you have to have additional features.

Android, on the other hand, allows developers to release an app to the app store and, provided it's not totally egregious, publish it to the google play store and then let the community sort out if it's a good app or not. Android is far better in these aspects than apple because apple is a bunch of communists who want complete control.

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Taco_of_Kiev 23 points ago +24 / -1

Except android blocked Truth Social’s app for way, way longer than Apple did. Android, a product of Google, is not freedom centric. At all.

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panthicc 8 points ago +8 / -0

Android didn't block Truth afaik, they just hadn't developed an Android app.

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Taco_of_Kiev 16 points ago +17 / -1

You’re mistaken. The app was done for something like six months and Android refused to put it in the App Store. Samsung put it on their own App Store months before Android finally gave in as the last holdout.

Nothing about android is any better for freedom than what apple does. They’re both ridiculously corrupt and biased, and both are equally weaponized.

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thisguy883 3 points ago +3 / -0

If the people at Truth are so fucking retarded as to not provide an APK on their website, then the app isn't worth downloading anyway.

You don't need an app store on Android. That's an apple meme.

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panthicc 1 point ago +1 / -0

Interesting, didn't know that about the Google app store, though not terribly surprised. I wonder why Truth didn't just provide the APK for Android users.

There's nothing inherently wrong with the android code though, it's open source so theoretically Elon could use a fork of it to develop his own OS. No arguments here about Google properties being just as evil as Apple products though.

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BringTheCat789 0 points ago +1 / -1

False. Android is open-source. You can use an open-source version if you desire. And then you can do anything you want.

Even on closed-source variants, you can usually download apps from elsewhere.

Android =/= Google Play

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Taco_of_Kiev 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, you can root some devices depending on how much they lock down the boot loader and then push a new third party ROM onto the phone. 99% of Android users lack the technical capability to do so and probably fewer are in a position to buy (let alone know about) alternatives. All that makes arguing the edge case somewhat disingenuous.

Caveat: I haven’t rooted an Android device in years, so it is plausible that there is an easier way, but even a few years ago the rooting community was rather small and dwindling.

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BringTheCat789 2 points ago +2 / -0

99% of Android users lack the technical capability to do so.

I wouldn't say 99%. That leaves only 1/100 people that use Android that you think can look up an article to root their phone. It's more than that.

But, moreover, there are loads of black guys on Facebook marketplace who will root your phone for $20. (if they don't steal it)

Arguing the edge case is disingenuous

You're missing my point. My point is that the problem isn't with Android, it's with the general public and how they choose to use Android. If you want to blame a company, it's the phone manufacturers and cellular carriers who put these closed-source variants on their phone, not Android.

These details matter. It matters who we're assigning blame to. And it matters how we can fix it. In particular, we don't need to fix it by redesigning a new phone OS from the ground up... because Android isn't the problem. We need to fix it by getting real Android on the common man's phone.

rooting

By the way, you don't always need to root to download and install an app not on the Play store. Which was the main point I was making. But this isn't due to a lack of technical knowledge, it's due to a lack of convenience. Most people could figure it out quickly if they wanted to, but it's not important enough for them to bother straying from the Play store.

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thisguy883 1 point ago +1 / -0

Now a days, rooting a device is not needed.

The only real reason you would root your phone is if you have a custom ROM. That's pretty much it. Even then, most people don't need even that.

Coming from someone who would always root their android phones; once I started using Samsung devices, I haven't needed to root or install a custom ROM in a very long time. Their stock OS is actually really nice and I love their encrypted "Secure folder".

I can even put my phone on a USB C dock and use it as a desktop with Samsung DEX.

In short, I've never been impressed with iPhone. It just "looks" cool. Functionally, it's not worth it.

... continue reading thread?
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Trump-16-20-24-28-32 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm not disagreeing with you... I'm just saying that Android is better than Apple in these regards.

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Taco_of_Kiev 9 points ago +9 / -0

Anything and everything you do on an android phone is sent back to Google for monetization. You have to fully root your phone and sideload a whole custom OS if you want even a trace of privacy, but with an IMEI and HWID any privacy claim is a boldfaced lie. Android is arguably worse than Apple because Apple at least says they won’t sell your information (I’m sure they’re lying, but Google doesn’t even pretend).

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spaceforce_maganaut 10 points ago +10 / -0

This explains why IG on web browser is such a dud. Friggin Apple.

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BringTheCat789 5 points ago +5 / -0

The reason isn't Apple. It's Meta wanting their app on your phone.

These places intentionally neuter their mobile sites because they want you to have to use their app. By having their app, they can more easily track you and such.

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BringTheCat789 3 points ago +3 / -0

They will block your app if you simply take the website and display it in the app

Based, honestly.

I hate when companies and people think they need an "app" for everything they do.

Your web browser has been in development for decades to abstract all sorts of common code. And then you download an app that does all that same shit just to display one specific website.

I am totally fine with Apple vetting apps for technical reasons like this. It's when they start vetting apps for hate speech and such that it becomes a problem. Also, there should be an easy way to download unvetted apps for those who wish to.

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FireannDireach 3 points ago +3 / -0

I kind of hate the whole 'app" thing, though. I use my phone as little as possible, and am in front of a computer all day for work. I hate that companies like Comcast are making it impossible to reach them and force you to use an app. I hate phone culture, and app culture is central to it. I also don't use Twitter, so I don't care about their app. They censor more than Apple does, or used to, or so it seems. Hell, everyone was censoring us during the Coof bullshit.

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Trump-16-20-24-28-32 1 point ago +1 / -0

I wouldn't say it's 'based.'

So, because you hate when companies create an "app" for what they do, you think they should not allow it and only do vetted apps? That's not 'based' at all... that's authoritarian.

'Based' would be allowing any applications on their platform (provided it's not doing something illegal).

Heck, 'based' would even be saying 'they are a private business, they can do with their platform what ever they want...' I can get behind this much more. But then again, Apple is such a massive platform and accessible to the public that I don't necessarily agree the should be able to pick and choose based on their own whims.

You bring up an interesting point... I think it's unfair to essentially have a "blue checkmark" for vetted apps. I know you didn't say 'blue checkmark,' but having a 'vetted' and 'unvetted' set of apps kind of gets the same thing across. All the sudden, there will be valid applications that cannot get the special blue checkmark as 'vetted' because Apple doesn't like something about them. This seems wrong.

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BringTheCat789 1 point ago +1 / -0

Because you hate when companies create an "app" for what they do, you think they should not allow it

Like I said, there should be an alternative, but still accessible, app store for unvetted apps.

That's not 'based' at all... that's authoritarian

Banning homosexuality is based and authoritarian.

"blue checkmark" for apps

This would be a decent system. But, like any system, it has potential to be exploited. It is possible to have systems that can eventually be exploited, but keep them in check so they aren't. It just requires constant oversight by the public.

The reality is that until we can convince people to care, they will be able to do bullshit no matter what the laws say or don't say. And once we get people to care, it won't matter what the laws say or don't say because they'll be able to vote with their dollar again.

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visorak 1 point ago +1 / -0

Downloading an "app" that does the exact same thing a website does should just make a bookmark link on your phone. There is no reason for such a thing to exist, it is entirely redundant.

Just think about how many apps get downloaded regularly that are literally just a website. Those have to be stored, updated, pushed to users... Useless bloat.

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Barbs 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, neither of the app stores have a good track record when it comes to speech. Apple is slightly better because their users are still customers, and not products, but the lines are increasingly becoming blurred as Apple figures out what a cash cow user data is.

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mct1 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is why a lot of developers just write progressive web apps instead. Now that Apple's finally adding support to Safari for push web notifications there's virtually zero reason for anyone to make an iOS app.

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MAGA_MyPillow 10 points ago +10 / -0

You are taking me back to the quaint days of the internet browser wars. If Microsoft was forced to allow different browsers via a court order on to their OS. Then the same logic/legal argument can be made regarding APP Stores.

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wethedownvoted 1 point ago +1 / -0

Makes you wonder if Netscape was really just an innocent browser with how the government went after Microsoft over Internet Explorer

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MAGA_MyPillow 2 points ago +2 / -0

Tech giants Like Microsoft did not really contribute to political parties in the 90's. It wasn't until they were being hit with anti-trust lawsuits did they start contributing for protection.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/microsoft-political-donations-seen-as-trial-ploy/

The Microsoft donations, a 20-fold increase over 1996, are part of a strategy to curry favor with lawmakers in general, and the GOP in particular, analysts say, in the belief that a Republican president would be more eager to settle the antitrust case without the breakup ordered by a U.S. judge.

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TakeAmericaBack103 6 points ago +6 / -0

that is quite a monopoly, they should let anyone install anything they want at their own risk.

they are just holding onto cash cow. I'm sure even readers on pdw can imagine how fucked up it would be if your TV only let you watch what manufacturer allowed.

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texas4ever 109 points ago +109 / -0

Apple should tread carefully here. Elon is just advocating for basic free speech. A return to life in say 2015.

He also 100% has the ability to make a superior cell phone and destroy the other cell phone companies. Apple hasn't done shit since Jobs passed away in terms of innovation. He could also do something like offer a 10% fee on apps not the insane 30% they are charging now.

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Zytos 54 points ago +54 / -0

A return to life in say 2015.

Or 1995. Bring me back to the halcyon days of Usenet, local BBS's, Compuserve, Prodigy, etc.

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TexasPiper 40 points ago +41 / -1

The internet was far better when it was this obscure thing

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AussieTrumpFan 10 points ago +10 / -0

September still hasn't ended.

And, whenever I hear that Green Day song "Wake Me Up When September Ends", I choose to interpret it as about the Internet and the day it went away.

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AussieTrumpFan 11 points ago +11 / -0

If you were there, you'd understand what the September that didn't end refers to.

In quick form, September would (and still) mark a time when a lot of new computers would appear on the Internet as students going to college and people going to work started using their new systems.

Of course, a lot of these people wouldn't understand the ins and outs of how discourse on the Internet worked at the time and so would swamp networks with inane questions and poor behaviour.

Early on, these people would eventually get the hang of how things worked and eventually the net would return to 'normal'.

The September that never ended was when so many people showed up (AOL was a big perpetrator here) that the way online discourse worked was changed forever.

It's seen as a tipping point for the commercialisation of the Internet and where it really started to become what it is today.

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FormerGraveheart 4 points ago +4 / -0

There is, sort of. Look up "Eternal September".

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Elencher 5 points ago +6 / -1

The eternal September is real

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Zytos 5 points ago +5 / -0

When you had to be not a retard to use the internet. Or a computer for that matter.

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Balzer94 17 points ago +17 / -0

Please, I can only get so erect.

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sordfysh 1 point ago +1 / -0

False. This train has no brakes. See a doctor if your erection lasts longer than 4 hours.

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Elencher 6 points ago +11 / -5

1999, the release of Windows2k. Best user-facing operating system ever shipped.

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AussieTrumpFan 8 points ago +8 / -0

Which was never meant for the unwashed masses. They had to be content with Win 9x and ME. Win XP was just far enough from the NT family line (even though it was part of it) to be so different.

Win 2000 was good because it dragged NT kicking and screaming into some form of modernity. Of course, NT was better than Win 9x because it so openly stood on the ashen corpse of OS/2, and robbed freely from OpenVMS (to the point that Microsoft paid DEC up to $100million out of court to shut everyone up). At one point it even had a proper POSIX API available / usable within it.

There were many issues with NT and that family of systems, particularly with security authentication and proper multi user support for many years, but it has become the bulwark of Microsoft's OS offerings since the turn of the millenium.

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NotMyPresident2021 0 points ago +2 / -2

You're joking

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Elencher 5 points ago +6 / -1

Not at all if you look at it holistically. Consistant and sane UI useable by both pros and amateurs, very stable, amazing hardware and software support, Visual Studio was still decent since MS hadn't gone down the .NET rabbit hole yet.

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FormerGraveheart 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yup, the UI peaked there, and it's been downhill from there. It's interesting how all three major platforms are all taking big leaps backwards in UI usability.

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visorak 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'd honestly like to know more about this!

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NotMyPresident2021 0 points ago +1 / -1

very stable

Ahem... That's not what I'd call it but whatever.

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Elencher 1 point ago +1 / -0

Even Linux wasn't that stable in this time period if you were running it as a desktop, those crazy uptimes people posted were from servers sitting in backrooms that ran the same software day in and day out.

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magabeans 0 points ago +2 / -2

found the bill gates fanboy!

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FireannDireach 1 point ago +1 / -0

The heady days of alt.destroy.the.earth...

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FliesTheFlag 1 point ago +1 / -0

BBS games bring that monochrome stuff back! Games were fun, but bring back the content. 2012 CERN dead internet fucked us.

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Zytos 2 points ago +2 / -0

Give me the ASCII art!

And Legend of the Red Dragon, Tradewars, Usurper, the PIT, Barren Realms Elite, etc. etc. Ever played "inter-BBS" BRE? Ahh memories.

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Elencher 17 points ago +18 / -1

Apple no longer has the capability to do shit. WWDC presenters are nothing but troons and diversity hires. Their attempt to move away from Cocoa into SwiftUI has been a complete shitshow, and Chrome is putting pressure on them to properly support PWAs in Safari which will further make the app store even less compelling as it already is. Swift was a giant fucking mistake and they haven't shipped a decent OS since SnowLeopard.

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logan34 9 points ago +9 / -0

Apple is IBM of 80s now. Bloated and archaic tech giant that lacks any innovation. Sad if Jobs could see how far the company has fallen.

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Cantshadowbanthemall 4 points ago +4 / -0

Remember when apple was facing bankruptcy in the late 90s?

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FliesTheFlag 7 points ago +7 / -0

Saved by Bill Gates if I remember correctly? Injected a few hundred million into Apple to keep them afloat so Windows had competition to get regulators off Microsofts ass?

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Cantshadowbanthemall 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yup

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logan34 1 point ago +1 / -0

wish they had went under

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Elencher 3 points ago +4 / -1

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cdernbach/6221237740/

He's talking about Scully but applies to Cook as well. Putting a logistics guy in charge of a company like Apple was a terrible call. It's like when a company promotes an accountant to CEO, you know that their doomed in the near-term.

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NewUser101 5 points ago +5 / -0

So much truth.

I still run Snow Leopard on an old cheese grater Mac Pro - which incidentally still works perfectly and was the last decent professional hardware Apple built. In 2011.

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magastrophysicist 6 points ago +6 / -0

Same. I still have my personal MacBook Pro from 2010 running 10.6.8. That was the last OS Steve Jobs approved before he passed. I have not upgraded it. Runs perfectly, can count on one hand the number of times it has crashed. And I use it for hardcore numerical calculations for my astrophysics research.

My work MacBook Pro has crashed dozens of times in the few months I have owned it and I don't yet use it for any research, just lightweight stuff.

Apple is trash now.

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Barbs 4 points ago +4 / -0

I used to absolutely adore the MacOS, but I’m really starting to hate it these days, and I’ve been using it since the public betas that I had to hack to work on my Power Mac 9500 with a G4 upgrade card.

They’ve turned it into “iOS Desktop” and it sucks. I miss the days when I got on my computer and it functioned like a computer, not some computer/portable hybrid.

It’s like they looked at Microsoft’s mistake with Windows 10, when they put a tablet OS on the desktop, and said “hey, let’s copy that!” It’s awful.

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Elencher 1 point ago +2 / -1

Agreed, the direction of MacOS has been a massive disappointment. I was really hyped about the iPad and iPhone, I thought that with the move to offload casual users onto dedicated devices would free Apple up to move MacOS in more of a BeOS direction, still user-friendly but with great dev power just under the hood. Instead like you say they turned it into iOS desktop edition. Potentially awesome features like TimeMachine and Automator just languish while instead we just keep getting reskinned versions of Notes.

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weneedaweedeater 3 points ago +3 / -0

This guy PC's.

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GivingTheBird 2 points ago +2 / -0

Do you mind elaborating more on the issues with SwiftUI?

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Elencher 6 points ago +7 / -1

It has serious performance issues for what should be simple things, The xcode previews are still glitchy as fuck, the CoreData providers that are supposed to work with the Combine framework basically don't work, and you still need to reach into Cocoa to do anything more complicated than a simple button.

But on a deeper level, the whole idea is fundamentally flawed. They tried to make a single declarative framework that would reach from iWatch to iMac, and it just doesn't work, the platforms are too different.

The true shame is that Cocoa was great and was still great, and Apple had been making serious progress with both Cocoa and Objective-C. However they were feeling the pressure from the popularity of React and decided to chase the whole functional UI paradigm to court web devs without realizing that the reason functional UIs are popular in the browser is because the DOM is a dumpster fire and that the problems they solve in the browser dont' exist in native UI toolkits.

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GivingTheBird 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thank you.

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dakin116 15 points ago +15 / -0

Notice how pretty much all innovation kinda stopped around 2010? We've been treading water ever since with all the diversity/commie bullshit, it completely stifles everything

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akira2501 8 points ago +8 / -0

Ever notice how we used to have 30 major cellular providers and a bunch of smaller outfits?

And now we have 3.

Look at every other sector. The same thing happened. The diversity hires are just there for padding. This is a much larger scheme.

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Imransgarage 8 points ago +8 / -0

Apple is pretty much a camera company at this point afaik.

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Trump-16-20-24-28-32 6 points ago +6 / -0

Musk has satellites around the Earth that he can tap in to right now. Elon could provide the world with a cost-friendly satellite phone that works anywhere. No more "oh, I get no signal here..."

Although, I'm not sure how a satellite phone would work in a building... I could see there being some kind of encrypted mesh network of Elon phones. That would be kind of cool.

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Assassin47 4 points ago +4 / -0

Starlink's fast and low satellites aren't as capable of being locked onto as easily as Iridium. You need a dish to get service. Now Musk just did a partnership with tmobile to link up with Starlink, so he could put out his own cell phone and set up agreements like that around the world.

Edit: slow->low

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Psyk0Tripp 3 points ago +3 / -0

T-Mobile's CEO is a libcuck as well. I expect him to try and fuck up the deal

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FliesTheFlag 1 point ago +1 / -0

Did they ever say what those agreements were for though? Speculation was that it was jus to use starlink enterprise in remote locations for Tmo cell coverage using starlink as the backhaul provider instead of fiber or microwaves.

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Assassin47 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thunderf00t? You might as well link to Business Insider.

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Fidget 0 points ago +1 / -1

Solid rebuttal of his information.

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forth2win 61 points ago +62 / -1

Elon Musk versus Apple....Elon does have rockets and flame throwers...

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1683commenceagain 35 points ago +35 / -0

Meanwhile Apple has faggets and dilating non gender conforming tofubodies.

Let's support and enjoy the globohomo slaughter.

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NoComment 11 points ago +12 / -1

Now they have a faggot steering the ship built by Jobs

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AussieTrumpFan 2 points ago +2 / -0

They swapped one sociopath for another. But this one seems less interested in what Steve Jobs' vision was.

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NoComment 2 points ago +3 / -1

At least Jobs led to actual industry-wide innovations instead of just slapping on an extra camera lens and marginally faster CPU every year, the new CEO's resume only says 'gay'.

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AussieTrumpFan 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah. If only Jobs' sociopathy hadn't extended to his own health...

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NoComment 0 points ago +1 / -1

I question his decision to use holistic methods to treat his cancer but really, pancreatic cancer is a killer. I doubt he could have done much to get more years, maybe one at best.

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AussieTrumpFan 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well his fame and wealth scored him new organs well ahead of more deserving people on the transplant list. Had he not been such a holistic asshole, perhaps he'd still be drawing breath.

But, a lot of the tech Apple put out under his command (after his return from his Pepsi-forced exile) was because of that. Him being an holistic asshole. It was one of the few tech companies left where the success was so strongly tied to the founder.

Microsoft has become a behemoth that has survived the departure of Gates, Allen, and Ballmer. Oracle is such a nightmare that I don't think it matters if Larry Ellison is still alive. Google is Google, so the founders may as well not exist. Unfortunately, Compaq and HP didn't really survive after their founders left. And Intel might have come a little closer than it wanted. And then there's all the companies Microsoft squished along the way (and Electronic Arts if you're looking at computer gaming companies).

... continue reading thread?
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Elencher 0 points ago +1 / -1

You'd think after watching how the alopathic medical establishment has handled COVID and the vax genoicde people would be more open to the reasoning of those who chose the holistic approach.

... continue reading thread?
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Barbs 6 points ago +6 / -0

Apple also has a market cap of over $2 trillion last I checked.

There’s deep pockets, and then there’s pockets that even light can’t escape from. Apple is the latter.

It’s definitely a David vs Goliath fight, even though Elon’s the world’s richest dude. This should be fun to watch.

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spelunking_librator 1 point ago +1 / -0

Elon has pinned the David role down to an art form with Tesla and SpaceX. He has been bullied a lot and I suspect he likes it.

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EvJohn 2 points ago +2 / -0

tofubodies

KEK!

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AZ_Nationalist 2 points ago +2 / -0

Elon's lawyers took Twitter from them.

Never bet against the Musk. Unless you're going for a tax write-off from your losses.

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Ponzo 4 points ago +4 / -0

How come they haven't removed Truth Social from the app store? Why now Twitter? That always bugs me, they cancel the bank accounts, credit cards from pundits, they ban them from services like uber, paypal etc, put them on no fly lists but why was Trump immune from that? They closed Kanyes business bank accounts in less than two days, why didn't they try the same with Trump to "get him"?

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Cuetardian 3 points ago +3 / -0

hmmm good questions.

I often wonder how this site stays up, too, though I speculate it's independently built and runs on private servers.

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Cetera 4 points ago +4 / -0

Because Truth Social caved to their demands. There's a whole bunch of things you can't say on there. Any attempts to do so gets your posts blocked.

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NotMyPresident2021 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's a honey pot

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Ponzo 2 points ago +2 / -0

Because this site is not fully free speech and censors a lot of language, Kiwifarms was truly free speech, you could literally say what you want as long as it didn't break any law and thats why they were targeted and the owner had to pull a miracle to get back online.

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keep_america_great 1 point ago +1 / -0

If you make fun of the tiny hat people you'll get blocked.

Same thing with Telegram: they have to censor channels that Apple doesn't like. You have to use the webkit Telegram to see the censored channels.

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ProdigalPlaneswalker 3 points ago +4 / -1

The Kushners. We'll see how things go now that they're distancing themselves from Trump.

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FliesTheFlag 0 points ago +1 / -1

Kushner full blown globalist wef homo.

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ParticleCannon 39 points ago +39 / -0

WTB Tesla Phone.

(two requests: a headphone jack, and give me a music app that doesn't hate me for preferring local files.)

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Jarlason10 5 points ago +6 / -1

I can't solve the jack issue nor give you a Tesla phone but I can direct you to a music app that works great with local files https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maxmpz.audioplayer

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DixMcCoy 4 points ago +4 / -0

how bout a linux distro that supports the various hardware configuration of all the different ARM chiplets and their respective hardware? or a subset and they make those phones - that'd be fine

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yurimodin 4 points ago +4 / -0

https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ is about as close as you are going to get right now.....only bad part is they are based in Hong Kong so who knows how trustworthy it is.

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Sexual-Assault-Rifle 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thank you for that link, very interesting especially the LORA case add-on.

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yurimodin 1 point ago +1 / -0

no prob and awesome username BTW

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Sexual-Assault-Rifle 2 points ago +2 / -0

Hahahaha thanks

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MLGS 4 points ago +4 / -0

And a removable battery.

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spelunking_librator 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, I need tissues now...

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sordfysh 1 point ago +1 / -0

Starlink phone.

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Owmyballz 39 points ago +39 / -0

Well for Elon to go to war with Apple, it would be the Musk phone. And frankly, as dirty as Google and Apple are when being complicit with the US government, I'd happily take a Musk phone. Understanding that I'd still be getting screwed over, but at least not to the same extent as Apple and Google and the owner understands there are two genders.

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socal_maga 19 points ago +19 / -0

Tesla Phone.

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Assassin47 9 points ago +9 / -0

X Phone

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AZ_Nationalist 4 points ago +4 / -0

PhoneX?

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spelunking_librator 1 point ago +1 / -0

There has to be three models:

x

X

X

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brokentoenail 1 point ago +1 / -0

It would be the x phone.

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JS_Mill 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'd guess he'd create a new company, or put it under SpaceX.

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spelunking_librator 2 points ago +2 / -0

Twitter is the new company. He'll transform it into X, which will also include Starlink and my bet is it will in maybe 10 years time buy out Tesla to make it finally private.

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AbsoluteChad 14 points ago +14 / -0

I’d rather not get fucked. But if I have to get fucked, I’d prefer Elon over the government.

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FancyNancy 9 points ago +9 / -0

He's way better looking than Biden lol

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Jarlason10 4 points ago +5 / -1

Plus he won't sniff our hair.

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Owmyballz 5 points ago +5 / -0

I'd trust a phone put out by Musk 100X's more than google or apple, neither of those companies are companies anymore but government entities.

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KGB82 29 points ago +29 / -0

They're going to make Musk even richer.

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cyberwar 29 points ago +29 / -0

a Tesla phone would destroy the iphone brand

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Barbs 7 points ago +7 / -0

Especially if it comes with Tesla’s death ray built in instead of a camera.

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spelunking_librator 1 point ago +1 / -0

Cold gas thrusters for optical stabilization of the lense.

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FreeHeliRides 15 points ago +15 / -0

Am I the only one that uses Twitter via browser and not the app? 🫣

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yurimodin 19 points ago +19 / -0

I'm in IT and I FUCKING HATE APPS.....We fought hard as hell 20 years ago to shift all things where applicable to platform agnostic formats (like browsers).

Anyway I use almost everything I can via browser where I can

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Need4Pede 15 points ago +15 / -0

Same here. I install as few apps as necessary. WIN and GAB work pretty well in browser. The problem is people love that push notification and get off everytime someone updoots or reposts their shit. I simply don't care and check as my time sees fit.

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akira2501 3 points ago +3 / -0

The worst part is there is a "Portable Web App" specification. For a few extra lines of JavaScript on your website, you can just turn your website into a pre-packaged app that lives on the phone mostly the way other apps do. You even get access to notifications and all that.

There is literally zero reason, outside of direct hardware access, that anything needs to be an actual app store distributed app these days.

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AussieTrumpFan 2 points ago +2 / -0

Do you know how I know you're in IT?

You were forced to open your statement with a declaration of what your pronouns are...

Long gone are the days whre IT was a bastion of clear thought and rebellion against HR and the woke.

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Need4Pede 2 points ago +2 / -0

Nope just terrible text typing on my phone. not She here... Same Here.😂

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AussieTrumpFan 2 points ago +2 / -0

Oh, you rotten spoilsport. You've gone and changed it now...

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Need4Pede 2 points ago +2 / -0

I laugh every time I see someone with their gender flag thing. I just want to add one that says AWE/SOME or something. But then don't want to play into that bullshit of identity.

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panthicc 6 points ago +6 / -0

+1

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Zelenskyscockholster 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's the fault of marketing. Everybody needs their captive environment so they can keep tabs and metrics and make people engrossed x hours per day to justify their lack of a job.

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Assassin47 7 points ago +7 / -0

No, a lot of us don't use Twitter at all.

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CrankyCrab 3 points ago +3 / -0

No. I seldom use apps and most are disabled on my phone.

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M-m-m-my-corona 12 points ago +12 / -0

He's not the hero I particularly wanted but definitely the hero we need.

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HappyFascist 11 points ago +15 / -4

You need to support Elon. Even if he is not MAGA enough for you.

We need to choose our Billionaires.

Elon may not be you, but he is not them.

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GabeC1997 7 points ago +7 / -0

I, for one, would totally buy a StarPhone if Elon made one. I wouldn't even care if it was 2 thousand dollars more expensive as long as I don't have to deal with deadspots anymore.

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MythArcana 7 points ago +8 / -1

Because crApple is crap and everyone knows it.

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henri_derelicte 7 points ago +7 / -0

Good on Elon for calling out the massive gate keeping done by Apple (and by extension, Google)

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War_Hamster 7 points ago +7 / -0

Elon could buy Blackberry tomorrow for $3 billion.

A lot of people miss their BB's, so this might just be a sneaky smart play.

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Floppyseconds 6 points ago +6 / -0

He has already made a tesla phone. It is coming

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JS_Mill 2 points ago +2 / -0

What is your source for this? Yes, I've already searched for it.

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JS_Mill 2 points ago +2 / -0

That has nothing to do with Elon Musk or his Tesla motor company.

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mike1231 1 point ago +1 / -0

100% -- He isn't going to say this and not have something ready to go. A phone is likely not that complicated for his engineers compared to a vehicle or a fucking rocket to space.

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AJoeDD 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think it would be good if he used one of the Linux phones that have been attempted. They have good potential but need fine tuning. They have been semi-developed and might just need a relatively small amount of big business investment to make a leap. Unfortunately I think the main problem is they won't look "slick". May be a few mm too wide for Apple cultists, and not have posh styling.

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War_Hamster 1 point ago +1 / -0

I demand posh styling.

I'd think all of the talented independent coders out there would create a pretty robust ecosystem on a platform like that relatively quickly, no?

How secure could this become?

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AJoeDD 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think there would be massive advantages from open source participation too. I can't evaluate security since it's out of my field, though my guess is it would have equivalent security at minimum (with less staff costs than Apple/Google). Some other Pede will know the answer and I'd like to see thoughts on it too.

If we assume the advantages of Linux OS on PCs translate to phone, that would mean more stability over updates (and no need to constantly buy new phones) and better security. The biggest benefit is probably not using a bunch of data and resources for builtin spyware of Apple/Google.

I've been using a Linux desktop for PC after Windows rebooted during an overnight run of an algorithm that had been going for over a day already, ignoring my selection of when to allow updates. I had turned them off for the week, but it chose to just override me and say "fuck your work, take these frivolous updates for something you may never use" for the last time. When they started their terrible Win10 updates originally I remember they used to have a weekly update recur when I needed to make a report and get it submitted. Fun times. Just about everything is better in Linux and most of the transition was easy.

I use a OS that is styled in the Apple OS design (small app bar in the bottom center and so on), but it looks better than Apple. Required minor customization effort. It is posh, at least internally. On the outside it looks like a Windows device and isn't thin enough to slice vegetables like a Mac. But hey, I have about 5x the hardware power I'd have with a laptop like that. I'm skeptical that for phones any type of exterior Apple-equivalent design is feasible. Tesla could make a better looking and performing phone, but I doubt they can at a competitive price. You'd need to compete with the Chinese slave labor Apple gets, and at that point you'd also become obligated to follow CCP censorship rules. Perhaps the best hope in that regard is having Apple themselves lose their slave labor access, as it appears they may be in risk of.

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jshelton5 4 points ago +4 / -0

Apple didn't have a problem with twitter hosting tons of CP. Now they have a problem? OKAY GROOMERS, message received.

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sth1d 3 points ago +3 / -0

I've been seeing a lot of Apple ads on the twitter app this morning. I think they are overcompensating right now and buying up a ton of impressions to avoid further bad publicity.

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Assassin47 1 point ago +1 / -0

Apple adds on the twitter

So the OP is wrong?

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bitterclinger58 3 points ago +3 / -0

say what you want about Elon but he has demonstrated more sack than anyone else on the stage except for DJT himself !

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TommyJarvis 3 points ago +3 / -0

After my "upgrade" to ios 16, I am convinced that apple is going down the tubes. What was once an almost bug free experience has become a near constant string of pretty serious issues. Not the least of which is the fucking thing doesn't receive calls! They just go to VM without even ringing my phone. Turns out there's some catastrophic bug with using "wifi calling" that they've yet to even acknowledge.

There's half a dozen other pretty big bugs and frustrating UX issues that have come up in ios16, but it is quite telling. No previous apple OS has been this problematic since the days of the Power Mac.

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Zelenskyscockholster 3 points ago +3 / -0

If Musk can kill Twitter AND Apple, that would be awesome. I'd forgive the electric car bullshit.

But not the brain chips.

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Zelenskyscockholster 1 point ago +1 / -0

The car seems cool and fun, but impractical for lots of traditional uses. Also the claims of environmental impact seem dubious.

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choocnoods 3 points ago +3 / -0

Tweet deleted, here's an archive

https://archive.ph/ah5Ff

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b0ss 2 points ago +2 / -0

Tesla phones better be open sourced and free (as in freedom) to everyone in order to make any use of it, at all.

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KILLARY4PRISON 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh so like android?

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b0ss 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not just like android. But in order to function and people see what is based upon, it needs to function like it otherwise it's not going to be better than any other big company's OS.

People need to mentally change how they use their device, otherwise they will repeatedly trap themselves over and over again.

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AOCs_tits_4ever 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is such a bummer for me. I use apple stuff for work and always have. Creativity used to rule for them, but the woke is now overwhelming. Go to the "browse" page of Apple Music, and it's 90% black artists - Young This, Lil That - EVERY TIME. Plus the random country artist (?). Look at their advertising; apparently everyone in america is a skinny light skinned black chick with freckles and bell bottomed jeans.

This all comes from advertising people. Woke sheep, deep in debt, even if they didn't agree personally, they would still make the same decisions because they are fear based and compromised. A perfect system.

GO ELON GO

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Damaged_Dirk 2 points ago +2 / -0

The apple 1984 ad needs to be redone

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PrezElectHamsandwich 3 points ago +3 / -0

You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

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DixMcCoy 2 points ago +2 / -0

remove from app store

okay, just make a very friendly mobile version for browsers.

Easy peasy, Japanesey.

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yurimodin 3 points ago +3 / -0

it already works just fine via browser.

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AJoeDD 1 point ago +1 / -0

It apparently doesn't have a few functions that for some reason cannot be installed unless going through the app stores. I don't want that, but for a significant amount of users it's a big deal. The inconveniences are enough for the app stores to hold enough of app user bases hostage for Twitter and most others.

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AZ_Nationalist 2 points ago +2 / -0

I hope Apple is ready to settle out of court for a billion for Torturous Interference which will then fund a new cellphone that will compete with the iPhone.

Because that's the play.

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knnbccb 2 points ago +2 / -0

Apple has bigger things to worry about e.g. the sweatshops in China.

Keep virtue signalling.

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RusherOfDin 2 points ago +2 / -0

You know what's total bullshit about this whole thing is that apps are not even needed. You can get all the functionality of an app by using HTML5 and a browser on your phone.

They force apps down your throat because an app remains in the memory when you're not using it and that's how they track all the shit you do day and night. Loading a site on a browser though that only tracks you while you're on the site. The second you close the browser they can no longer spy on you while you're on the toilet or wherever.

Elon has a chance here to wake people up to that fact but the stock for Twitter would probably go down even more if he made the developers create a mobile site that does more than tell you to go download the fucking app.

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SaveUsSCOTUS 0 points ago +1 / -1

Twitter doesn't have stock anymore. It's privately owned?

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CyberPillow 2 points ago +2 / -0

Dare to stop buying Apple and Android phones? If Tesla is a viable option, I'll go for it.

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BlackPilledMAGA 2 points ago +2 / -0

Starlink phone please!

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deplorableman 2 points ago +2 / -0

Apple was actively censoring Pepe lol:

https://twitter.com/LBRYcom/status/1597293336184094720

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TheAttackTitan 2 points ago +2 / -0

I keep saying this, Elon is a valuable ally to have. Even if we only overlap in our values by 50 or 60%, it’s better than the ZERO overlap we have with leftists.

We want Elon in our corner. Let’s keep it that way.

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Wexit-Delecto 2 points ago +2 / -0

Apple is a monopoly. Break it up!

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spez__ 2 points ago +2 / -0

All that has really changed was that Twitter started banning CP.

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Cantshadowbanthemall 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's what pissed off the feds and google

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Doomer_Guy 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm going to buy everyone I know a Teslaphone. Why buy just one?

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