They should be more active in their union but the irony is they're so busy that they might not have time to be... I don't have much sympathy for those guys (last point, I heard they wanted more flex time, many rail union employees unable to make doctor's appt) but I haven't heard much about the situation in awhile.
But yeah, being apart of a scummy union who uses its war chest (most unions) for politics is faggotry, so...
The rail workers should just quit. They're not gonna get anyone to scab for them in the current employment climate where everyone expects to work from home and wine on tap when they do bother to show up.
This right here, every company is begging people to come to work and there is simply not enough people willing to actually get off their couches and go to work... Fast food joints around me are now paying $20/hr and they can't even get 16 year olds interested in showing up and doing the work... Most of the railway jobs are skilled or actual physical labor, no way they find enough scab workers to keep things running smoothly in today's job market...
A lot of places are playing catch up. The smart companies boosted wages a year and a half ago to keep production going.
They were already that high coming out of COVID lockdowns, and here they are still understaffed nearly 2 years later...
They opened a new Popeyes chicken in the next town over earlier this year, the building was done and sat vacant for over 3 months with a sign in the door saying sorry we can't open because we don't have enough employees, apply here...
And it's not just low paying jobs, Walgreens and CVS in my area can't even get a pharmacists to work, one Walgreens in my area entirely gave up and shut its pharmacy until futher notice, the other two are sharing pharmacist and are only open on certain days for limited hours... And all the pharmacies are constantly out of stock anyway on popular drugs due to a nationwide shortage...
It's not a pay problem, people just don't want to work... Sorry but I doubt the railways could hire enough scabs to get operations back if the employees quit or simply stopped showing up...
Because they dont pay more than starting your own shit. I have a cousin that started a tshirt business...her take home is 60k...its not an amazing business, but she works from home, owns everything, the business is growing and she has plans to expand it. Why would she go back to corporate america?
What happened during covid is that the entire world thought about quality of life.....the satisfying career narrative has been seen for what it is....bullshit. what matters is the money, who cares how you get it.
So you are saying your sister (even if she was qualified) won't be applying to be a railroad scab, if the railroad workers were to quit or strike? That is my point, there aren't enough people qualified and willing to fill those positions, they either don't want to get off their couches and go to work or they are not interested in working at all... Your sister sounds like the one that isn't willing to leave her house and rejoin the traditional workforce, thus in line with what I said that there would not be enough scabs to fill the positions if they walked away... Keep in mind the biggest union that is holding out is the repair guys, not exactly an unskilled job, you certainly don't want the 18 year old ASE certified tire changer at Walmart to be changing the wheelsets on a train without a lot more training...
A little more depth: he put forward a temporary agreement to postpone the strike and keep them negotiating until after the midterms. When they still rejected that deal, he’s now wanting to use congress to force them into the agreement
Hopefully they do what cupe did here in Ontario and just all walk out anyway. Gov almost instantly retracted the new law forcing them to work, unions all over were threatening to walk out in solidarity. Now I personally despise unions, but I despise the government more.
I know everyone here likes to shit on unions, but I'm in a right to work state and the union has been nothing but good to me. So much so that when I started my company I only hire union and I'm still a participating member even though I have no obligation to, I pay my guys double what non union techs make because my guys went through the union trade school and have a much higher skill level than someone who went to a non-union trade school or no trade school at all. That being said I would say maybe one in 10 Union members are Democrat here in the south, if that, and 10 out of 10 will tell you Biden is a retard.
The idea is great until its so big it becomes its own government. Teachers union for example, is literally the cause of our biggest cultural problems. Yet its the largest lobbying group in the country so our politicians just bend over and take whatever they say.
I have seen Unions do good and bad, generally I don’t like them but it sounds like yours is working the way they were intended (as opposed to making employers keep crappy employees). Thanks for the insight and reminder that unions aren’t all the same.
Agreed, I'm not a fan of forced union participation, it's a breeding ground for corruption, very similar to government where they have no incentive to do better because they have monopoly control.
I remember when Trump was a mediator in some auto union deals, but he couldn't force either party to accept terms. He could only encourage the auto makers with powers that reside in the executive branch, like tariffs. That's why I'm confused about Biden thinking he can actually make the deals and enforce terms.
The tweets in the article have more info, the Railway Labor Act of 1926 gives the government special powers to avoid strikes of railway (and airline) workers.
I assume, like the airlines, the government has some level of authority because of how important They are to the economy and how much they have to rely on the federal government for them to even operate.
The air traffic controller strike was the closest equivalent I could think of. The difference then, was the ATCs are actually government employees so Reagan had full authority to negotiate and/or fire them.
Lookup the Railway Labor Act. Long story short, it’s one of the few, if not only industries so heavily regulated by the government, that they literally need the governments permission to strike (sort of), and if all terms are met for a strike, the government can force a contract down their throats and get them back to work.
Honestly, I'm glad supply lines won't be further disrupted. I'm sorry the union workers didn't get sick time in their negotiated package.
My take away from this is that:
Labor Unions don't have the clout they once did in the Democrat Party unless they're Federal Government Employee labor unions or teacher's unions.
Biden won't keep promises to constituents that he thinks are expendable.
Democrats aren't serious about paid time off or sick leave for families.
It should be noted that Nancy Pelosi is cooperating with the Biden Administration in this so any and all Democrats that vote for this legislation are voting against a historically Democrat and progressive labor union. Of course, that's not going to stop that union from giving money almost exclusively to Democrats nor will their members vote for Republicans.
The way it’s being reported in my local Democrat media, I don’t think there will be a strike. Started ramping it up to get people worked up, now sounding like Joe is going to save the day.
That's my point. The unions lost. Labor unions will never recover from this. Federal Government Employee unions, teacher's unions and local/state government unions will be the only unions in ten years. The Democrats sold all the laborers out, Their only hope for surviving now is Trump winning the presidency but I'm quite sure they don't see that,
Shutting down the trains brings everything to a full stop. People don't realize how big of a deal this is. This could grow into a national strike against the commies.
So shitty work conditions, and attendance policy that hasn’t change much in decades is acceptable for our rail workers? Fuck em? Just let our fake installed president and congress force a terrible contract down their throats.
Bc shes a stupid joggin cunt and potatus is a stupid fuckin pedo. As a trainman on many sets of rails, we do NOT support pedo joe. Almost none of us. There are a few occasional cucks sadly
Correct i am. It’s a bit different amongst all the unions and different crafts governed under those unions. It has to do with some of the things u mentioned plus a number of other things. For example, a train crew is 3 ppl. Potatus supports reducing it to a 2 man crew which happens sometimes but a 3rd is always added bc 3 are really needed. Ive heard ppl refer to potatus as Amtrak Joe bc he used to ride Amtrak. For the record i am NOTTTT Amtrak but know a bunch of Amtrakers. They haaaaattteeeeeee the pedophile vegetable. The unions if pushed hard enough will strike. This could be very harmful to getting things like crops and other necessities across America which one might say………..could be part of the faggot lefts plan to starve us out or reduce population, let that sink in fren and stay safe🫡
People haven't paid attention to the union/Democrat party relationship for at least 20 years. While union leadership always is pro-Democrat, the fact is that the Democrat Party abandoned helping union employees long ago. What, you say? No way, you say? Yup! The Democrats got so self-absorbed with their own importance, they assumed that all their past support of unions had endeared them forever with all union folks, just like they did with Blacks. And so, also sane as Blacks, they abandoned doing anything positive for either group. Obama blatantly stabbed unions in the back with Obama Care regulations, initially telling unions that their represented employees with the cushy negotiated health plans would not be required to join Obama's health fiasco nor pay the mandated extra taxes on employer provided health insurance that all non-union employees would have to pay. Obama got their support, passed his health plan, then revealed he had refused to give unions the break. That stab in the back would cost each union employee about $7000 a year. The unions complained, they pleaded, they reminded Obama of his promise & the first Black President turned his back to them. Why not? Unions always had voted for Democrats, why would they change? If Trump hadn't come in & blew Obama Care apart, those union employees, as well as every American with an employer plan, would have been forcibly raped by the most crooked political party to ever exist in America.
Don't ever make the mistake & think rank & file union members will always be loyal to Democrats. They loved Trump because Trump cared for blue-collar workers - a first for a Republican President. And most union workers, just not teachers, will support other Republicans if those politicians help them out. I've been in unions my entire life. Most union workers are patriotic & most are smart enough to not vote the way their union boss tells them. A Republican candidate for President can pull huge numbers of union voters away from the Democrats if he/she just tries to help them & their families out. Trump did & won the first time - actually the 2nd time, too. McCarthy & McConnell are too stupid, or crooked, to ever cater to union employees or minorities. Don't keep doing the same thing every 4 years with the same tired Republican talking points. Make allies. Help more people. Get more votes. Turn as many Americans against the Democrats as you possibly can.
Trump would've had this taken care by now. He knows the art of the deal...
Also, it's awesome that Biden is trying to force this on the unions even though a majority of union members objected to it. Muh Democracy and all. You wanted Biden, you got him.
Hard to feel sorry for Unions that have been behind this Pedo to get him elected, again and again. But really, it's just the workers getting fucked, little don't people matter. Union bosses will have a bigh laugh over this over Christmas.
When you’ve mastered the art of stealing elections, you don’t have to be nice to anyone. Wait until you see what Mr. “you ain’t black” does to black families, Hispanics, Jews, big business, big tech, etc. It’s not going to be pretty.
Can she explain anything ever.
What do you expect from a diversity hire
She was a deliberate choice to drive identity politics as the spokesperson for a failed government.
FTFY
I was going to type coup dictatorship first
i was going with turbo-tard homo Government
Upvote for the use of turbo-(anything)
More of a banana republic. Coup involves taking out all the previous leadership.
Sure, sure, banana republic, but when Stalin took power, he killed lots of people who refused to Work....
After that, the Fucking Trains were never late or delayed, no matter what.....
so you saying he built efficient rail system?
More accurate, less poetic
Spokeswoman. I despise this gender neutral shit.
Close. They chose her because if she gets criticized they can hit back with a bunch of “ists,” and “phobics.”
That way if say a white male Christian criticizes her, it’s obviously because he’s a sexist, racist homophobe.
Thats what I said :)
I feel like we are being punk'd....
Whose girlfriend works for CNN. Nothing to see here move along.
Double diversity hire.
Actually, triple diversity hire:
•rug muncher
•monthly menstruator
•low IQ/special needs person
Whoever downvoted this is a faggot.
Brandon wanted another black woman. At least this one is black.
Not American though.
Jean-Pierre was born on August 13, 1974, in Fort-de-France, Martinique, France, the daughter of Haitian parents
I'll have to circle back....
Does the toilet brush in your bathroom answer any question logically?
No, but is at least useful.
Asking the real questions haha
Does she know that she is a woman?
How dare you assume her gender, you bigot !
They should be more active in their union but the irony is they're so busy that they might not have time to be... I don't have much sympathy for those guys (last point, I heard they wanted more flex time, many rail union employees unable to make doctor's appt) but I haven't heard much about the situation in awhile.
But yeah, being apart of a scummy union who uses its war chest (most unions) for politics is faggotry, so...
They have to join the union. That is not a matter of choice when working for a railroad.
Nah, just line them up against a wall and Kill them, that's much easier Right??
That would make you a much happier person, right??
""sarc"".....
It's Christmas time soon, so democrats have to destroy it for the kiddies so they'll have more time to molest them.
Pain is their second favorite drug behind the blood of innocents
Groomer cock in a stocking, it wanting the little kiddies to grab. Sick & bad hombres we're dealing with.
Does anyone really believe Joe is running this shit show
Joe doesn’t even know what day it is
No but I can tell you who it is. His names starts with an O.
so tired of seeing this faggot joggers face.
it's like a bad cabbage patch doll
Garbage Pail kids lmao
Garbage Pail Kids entered the chat
She exudes stupidity.
The rail workers should just quit. They're not gonna get anyone to scab for them in the current employment climate where everyone expects to work from home and wine on tap when they do bother to show up.
This right here, every company is begging people to come to work and there is simply not enough people willing to actually get off their couches and go to work... Fast food joints around me are now paying $20/hr and they can't even get 16 year olds interested in showing up and doing the work... Most of the railway jobs are skilled or actual physical labor, no way they find enough scab workers to keep things running smoothly in today's job market...
<.. Fast food joints around me are now paying $20/hr and they
A lot of places are playing catch up. The smart companies boosted wages a year and a half ago to keep production going.
They were already that high coming out of COVID lockdowns, and here they are still understaffed nearly 2 years later...
They opened a new Popeyes chicken in the next town over earlier this year, the building was done and sat vacant for over 3 months with a sign in the door saying sorry we can't open because we don't have enough employees, apply here...
And it's not just low paying jobs, Walgreens and CVS in my area can't even get a pharmacists to work, one Walgreens in my area entirely gave up and shut its pharmacy until futher notice, the other two are sharing pharmacist and are only open on certain days for limited hours... And all the pharmacies are constantly out of stock anyway on popular drugs due to a nationwide shortage...
It's not a pay problem, people just don't want to work... Sorry but I doubt the railways could hire enough scabs to get operations back if the employees quit or simply stopped showing up...
Because they dont pay more than starting your own shit. I have a cousin that started a tshirt business...her take home is 60k...its not an amazing business, but she works from home, owns everything, the business is growing and she has plans to expand it. Why would she go back to corporate america?
What happened during covid is that the entire world thought about quality of life.....the satisfying career narrative has been seen for what it is....bullshit. what matters is the money, who cares how you get it.
So you are saying your sister (even if she was qualified) won't be applying to be a railroad scab, if the railroad workers were to quit or strike? That is my point, there aren't enough people qualified and willing to fill those positions, they either don't want to get off their couches and go to work or they are not interested in working at all... Your sister sounds like the one that isn't willing to leave her house and rejoin the traditional workforce, thus in line with what I said that there would not be enough scabs to fill the positions if they walked away... Keep in mind the biggest union that is holding out is the repair guys, not exactly an unskilled job, you certainly don't want the 18 year old ASE certified tire changer at Walmart to be changing the wheelsets on a train without a lot more training...
Look, you greedy bastard... I expect my smoked Gouda and brie twice a day..you try to fuck me over and these trains ain't gonna move.
The Alzheimer's Chinese puppet doesn't care about your unions? Gasp NO WAI!
Listen, I don't work you Jack! I don't need your votes!
Look Fat
Sometimes he speaks the truth.
can someone tell me what rolled means? I'm almost out of clicks
Sounds like it is tantamount to steamrolled. Sounds like they're ratifying something the union never really agreed on.
ah okay thanks
A little more depth: he put forward a temporary agreement to postpone the strike and keep them negotiating until after the midterms. When they still rejected that deal, he’s now wanting to use congress to force them into the agreement
Hopefully they do what cupe did here in Ontario and just all walk out anyway. Gov almost instantly retracted the new law forcing them to work, unions all over were threatening to walk out in solidarity. Now I personally despise unions, but I despise the government more.
They have to do what he sold them out to do.
Guess what - the union will still support Biden and the Dems next election.
Everything that makes people wealthy and comfortable must be destroyed to make way for the global cabal to "save" us using global communism
Hey! The Unions are getting their Vote's worth! KEK
Like all Dems, they use people for votes to ge power and throw them under the bus, er, train when convenient for them.
I know everyone here likes to shit on unions, but I'm in a right to work state and the union has been nothing but good to me. So much so that when I started my company I only hire union and I'm still a participating member even though I have no obligation to, I pay my guys double what non union techs make because my guys went through the union trade school and have a much higher skill level than someone who went to a non-union trade school or no trade school at all. That being said I would say maybe one in 10 Union members are Democrat here in the south, if that, and 10 out of 10 will tell you Biden is a retard.
The idea is great until its so big it becomes its own government. Teachers union for example, is literally the cause of our biggest cultural problems. Yet its the largest lobbying group in the country so our politicians just bend over and take whatever they say.
It seems to me like it's the same as everything else: Great until the people become apathetic and let the dunning-krugers rise to the top.
HVAC?
Yea, commercial mostly, I dabble in residential if people ask and I have time.
I have seen Unions do good and bad, generally I don’t like them but it sounds like yours is working the way they were intended (as opposed to making employers keep crappy employees). Thanks for the insight and reminder that unions aren’t all the same.
Agreed, I'm not a fan of forced union participation, it's a breeding ground for corruption, very similar to government where they have no incentive to do better because they have monopoly control.
And then vote for him. Because he said a vote for republicans means your job is gone!
Haven't met a single union worker that voted for Biden, maybe it's just a FL thing.
Could someone ELI5 why the government is negotiating with rail unions? Does the government own the railway companies, other than Amtrak?
Something something national security and the economy.
Not so loud, or Biden will send our trains to Ukraine!
They run on a different track gauge but I think we'll need to send them a bunch first to be sure.
I remember when Trump was a mediator in some auto union deals, but he couldn't force either party to accept terms. He could only encourage the auto makers with powers that reside in the executive branch, like tariffs. That's why I'm confused about Biden thinking he can actually make the deals and enforce terms.
He can ask congress to enforce the deal, basically- they’re not going to argue with him
The tweets in the article have more info, the Railway Labor Act of 1926 gives the government special powers to avoid strikes of railway (and airline) workers.
Ah thanks
I assume, like the airlines, the government has some level of authority because of how important They are to the economy and how much they have to rely on the federal government for them to even operate.
The air traffic controller strike was the closest equivalent I could think of. The difference then, was the ATCs are actually government employees so Reagan had full authority to negotiate and/or fire them.
Lookup the Railway Labor Act. Long story short, it’s one of the few, if not only industries so heavily regulated by the government, that they literally need the governments permission to strike (sort of), and if all terms are met for a strike, the government can force a contract down their throats and get them back to work.
Honestly, I'm glad supply lines won't be further disrupted. I'm sorry the union workers didn't get sick time in their negotiated package.
My take away from this is that:
Labor Unions don't have the clout they once did in the Democrat Party unless they're Federal Government Employee labor unions or teacher's unions.
Biden won't keep promises to constituents that he thinks are expendable.
Democrats aren't serious about paid time off or sick leave for families.
It should be noted that Nancy Pelosi is cooperating with the Biden Administration in this so any and all Democrats that vote for this legislation are voting against a historically Democrat and progressive labor union. Of course, that's not going to stop that union from giving money almost exclusively to Democrats nor will their members vote for Republicans.
The way it’s being reported in my local Democrat media, I don’t think there will be a strike. Started ramping it up to get people worked up, now sounding like Joe is going to save the day.
That's my point. The unions lost. Labor unions will never recover from this. Federal Government Employee unions, teacher's unions and local/state government unions will be the only unions in ten years. The Democrats sold all the laborers out, Their only hope for surviving now is Trump winning the presidency but I'm quite sure they don't see that,
"I don't have anything for you on that at this time..."
We've gone from "I'll circle back" to "I've got nothing for you."
Shutting down the trains brings everything to a full stop. People don't realize how big of a deal this is. This could grow into a national strike against the commies.
GOOD, but I also say scab them with military the way Reagan did the ATC unions. FUCK 'EM we have been through enough the last couple years.
So shitty work conditions, and attendance policy that hasn’t change much in decades is acceptable for our rail workers? Fuck em? Just let our fake installed president and congress force a terrible contract down their throats.
Karine can't explain literally anything.
She can barely function without that binder and she's just another underqualified she-boon.
Democrats get what they deserve, just wish they wouldn't bring down the rest of us hostages
Bc shes a stupid joggin cunt and potatus is a stupid fuckin pedo. As a trainman on many sets of rails, we do NOT support pedo joe. Almost none of us. There are a few occasional cucks sadly
So you are RR......why are they wanting to strike? More pay, less hours? Whats the problem?
Correct i am. It’s a bit different amongst all the unions and different crafts governed under those unions. It has to do with some of the things u mentioned plus a number of other things. For example, a train crew is 3 ppl. Potatus supports reducing it to a 2 man crew which happens sometimes but a 3rd is always added bc 3 are really needed. Ive heard ppl refer to potatus as Amtrak Joe bc he used to ride Amtrak. For the record i am NOTTTT Amtrak but know a bunch of Amtrakers. They haaaaattteeeeeee the pedophile vegetable. The unions if pushed hard enough will strike. This could be very harmful to getting things like crops and other necessities across America which one might say………..could be part of the faggot lefts plan to starve us out or reduce population, let that sink in fren and stay safe🫡
The disagreement has something to do with dwindling RR labor force, hours, benefits, and time off.
Yep, more to it than just that tho fren
Now that they have cemented the cheat and there is NO electoral path for a Republican, they don't need to cater to special interests anymore.
Time for the unions to eat shit Jack.
Karine Jamima is dumb as shit.
People haven't paid attention to the union/Democrat party relationship for at least 20 years. While union leadership always is pro-Democrat, the fact is that the Democrat Party abandoned helping union employees long ago. What, you say? No way, you say? Yup! The Democrats got so self-absorbed with their own importance, they assumed that all their past support of unions had endeared them forever with all union folks, just like they did with Blacks. And so, also sane as Blacks, they abandoned doing anything positive for either group. Obama blatantly stabbed unions in the back with Obama Care regulations, initially telling unions that their represented employees with the cushy negotiated health plans would not be required to join Obama's health fiasco nor pay the mandated extra taxes on employer provided health insurance that all non-union employees would have to pay. Obama got their support, passed his health plan, then revealed he had refused to give unions the break. That stab in the back would cost each union employee about $7000 a year. The unions complained, they pleaded, they reminded Obama of his promise & the first Black President turned his back to them. Why not? Unions always had voted for Democrats, why would they change? If Trump hadn't come in & blew Obama Care apart, those union employees, as well as every American with an employer plan, would have been forcibly raped by the most crooked political party to ever exist in America.
Don't ever make the mistake & think rank & file union members will always be loyal to Democrats. They loved Trump because Trump cared for blue-collar workers - a first for a Republican President. And most union workers, just not teachers, will support other Republicans if those politicians help them out. I've been in unions my entire life. Most union workers are patriotic & most are smart enough to not vote the way their union boss tells them. A Republican candidate for President can pull huge numbers of union voters away from the Democrats if he/she just tries to help them & their families out. Trump did & won the first time - actually the 2nd time, too. McCarthy & McConnell are too stupid, or crooked, to ever cater to union employees or minorities. Don't keep doing the same thing every 4 years with the same tired Republican talking points. Make allies. Help more people. Get more votes. Turn as many Americans against the Democrats as you possibly can.
This is so corrupt even union people should be able to see it now.
Trump would've had this taken care by now. He knows the art of the deal...
Also, it's awesome that Biden is trying to force this on the unions even though a majority of union members objected to it. Muh Democracy and all. You wanted Biden, you got him.
Yep. He'd like the Ukraine aid package to start with a big ZERO as well!
Why even bother with the charade? Not like they can be held accountable for anything.
Didn't the rail unions endorse Sleepy Joe?
Isn't this what they wanted, all along?
I knew he/they planned this strike.
Of course they will stop the strike from happening. That was never in doubt.
I am a little surprised that the Unions didn’t wait until after the Georgia vote
" . . can't explain why." We can apply this point to this witless dolt a few hundred times.
She must have the greatest job security in the history of the US Government.
Hard to feel sorry for Unions that have been behind this Pedo to get him elected, again and again. But really, it's just the workers getting fucked, little don't people matter. Union bosses will have a bigh laugh over this over Christmas.
When you’ve mastered the art of stealing elections, you don’t have to be nice to anyone. Wait until you see what Mr. “you ain’t black” does to black families, Hispanics, Jews, big business, big tech, etc. It’s not going to be pretty.
These Unions Deserve the Same Response:
STFU You Voted For This