Every moment of every day when I decide to not go out and suck a cock. What kind of question is this?
You choose to own a gun.
We are talking about equal protection under the law, which is guaranteed by the 14th amendment. It is completely separate from the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment guarantees you the right to own a gun, even though that is a choice. The 14th amendment guarantees equal protection under the law.
If someone were to try to argue that gun laws are unconstitutional based on the equal protections guaranteed by the fourteenth amendment by claiming that the law applies to them differently as they are a "gun owner," I would call them retarded. Gun laws are unconstitutional based on something completely separate.
Where does the constitution say anything about choice vs inherent?
That's just what "equal protection under the law" means. Those are my words to explain how it works.
If being gay is indeed a choice, a law that prohibits gay shit is not a law that only applies to gay people, just the same as a law that prohibits theft wouldn't be considered a law that only applies to thieves.
If a thief argued in court that laws against theft were unconstitutional because he, as a thief, should be guaranteed the same protections under the law as a non-thief, what would you say to him?
When did you decide that you preferred pussy over dick?
Every moment of every day.
But I understand the point you are arguing, so let's go with it. Essentially you're saying that my preference for pussy over dick isn't a conscious choice. You're saying that a gay man can't wake up one day and say "you know what, I'm going to start liking pussy." Just the same as I can't wake up one day and say, I dunno, that I'm going to start liking a certain food or something.
It's a fair point, but let's roll with it. Let's say I concede that being gay isn't a choice, because being gay is an inherent preference.
Even still, "preferences" can't be protected under equal protections guaranteed by the 14th amendment. Think of all the laws that couldn't exist if that were the case.
Should a person who "prefers" to diddle kids, which wouldn't be a conscious choice based on your argument, be allowed to? Are they, as pedophiles, guaranteed equal protections under the law?
What about more innocuous things? I prefer the taste of raw milk over pasteurized milk. Are the laws forbidding it to be sold to me a violation of the 14th amendment, because I, as a raw milk lover, should be guaranteed equal protections under the law?
You're pulling shit out of your ass.
No, I'm not. Every law on the books would be unconstitutional if the 14th amendment applied to "preferences."
You're literally arguing that pedophilia should be constitutional if you believe the "preferences," since they are not conscious choices, should be protected under the 14th.
Ok so what you are telling me is that you get raging boners around other men, but you just choose not to act on those boners?
Even still, "preferences" can't be protected under equal protections guaranteed by the 14th amendment. Think of all the laws that couldn't exist if that were the case.
What the fuck are you talking about? Your religion is a preference.
Should a person who "prefers" to diddle kids, which wouldn't be a conscious choice based on your argument, be allowed to? Are they, as pedophiles, guaranteed equal protections under the law?
Children are not consenting to being diddled. The basis for prosecuting pedos isn't that they have a preference that we just don't like, it's the fact that they engage in sex with people who don't or can't consent. No different than people who prefer to rape adults. The principle here is not "we get to discriminate on certain preferences." It is "people have the right to not be sexed on without their consent, and children physically cannot consent."
What about more innocuous things?
Government should have no say over such things. No victim = no crime.
Every law on the books would be unconstitutional
And the vast majority of them fucking ARE unconstitutional. The reason the left keeps winning is because "the right" fundamentally agrees with the left that government is the supreme sovereign and the people must obey.
You're literally arguing that pedophilia should be constitutional
Strictly speaking, the federal government has no authority to make such laws, but since such behavior involves a victim, the states have that authority. The purpose of the federal government is not to rule over us as a nation, it is to coordinate among the 50 sovereign states.
This becomes irrelevant since the rest of my comment addresses "preferences" even if they aren't consciously decided.
Your religion is a preference.
Sure. And your religion isn't protected under the 14th amendment. It is protected under the first.
You did the same thing with guns and I explained that guns weren't protected under the 14th, they are protected under the second.
No victim = no crime
I agree. I'm not here to argue the merits on these laws. I'm here to argue that "equal protections" isn't the argument.
Where in the 14th amendment does it talk about whether there is a victim or not?
The federal government has no authority to make such laws.
Yes, but not under the 14th amendment. That is in the tenth.
The federal government should not be involved in marriage, per the tenth amendment. But states should be permitted to ban homosexual marriage, if that is the will of the people of that state, as there is no amendment that guarantees homosexual marriage because the fourteenth amendment doesn't apply to "preferences."
Every moment of every day when I decide to not go out and suck a cock. What kind of question is this?
We are talking about equal protection under the law, which is guaranteed by the 14th amendment. It is completely separate from the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment guarantees you the right to own a gun, even though that is a choice. The 14th amendment guarantees equal protection under the law.
If someone were to try to argue that gun laws are unconstitutional based on the equal protections guaranteed by the fourteenth amendment by claiming that the law applies to them differently as they are a "gun owner," I would call them retarded. Gun laws are unconstitutional based on something completely separate.
That's just what "equal protection under the law" means. Those are my words to explain how it works.
If being gay is indeed a choice, a law that prohibits gay shit is not a law that only applies to gay people, just the same as a law that prohibits theft wouldn't be considered a law that only applies to thieves.
If a thief argued in court that laws against theft were unconstitutional because he, as a thief, should be guaranteed the same protections under the law as a non-thief, what would you say to him?
That's not what I asked. When did you CHOOSE to be straight? When did you decide that you preferred pussy over dick?
No it doesn't, retard. You're literally pulling shit out of your ass. I mean this interpretation is worse than anything I've ever heard a leftist say.
Every moment of every day.
But I understand the point you are arguing, so let's go with it. Essentially you're saying that my preference for pussy over dick isn't a conscious choice. You're saying that a gay man can't wake up one day and say "you know what, I'm going to start liking pussy." Just the same as I can't wake up one day and say, I dunno, that I'm going to start liking a certain food or something.
It's a fair point, but let's roll with it. Let's say I concede that being gay isn't a choice, because being gay is an inherent preference.
Even still, "preferences" can't be protected under equal protections guaranteed by the 14th amendment. Think of all the laws that couldn't exist if that were the case.
Should a person who "prefers" to diddle kids, which wouldn't be a conscious choice based on your argument, be allowed to? Are they, as pedophiles, guaranteed equal protections under the law?
What about more innocuous things? I prefer the taste of raw milk over pasteurized milk. Are the laws forbidding it to be sold to me a violation of the 14th amendment, because I, as a raw milk lover, should be guaranteed equal protections under the law?
No, I'm not. Every law on the books would be unconstitutional if the 14th amendment applied to "preferences."
You're literally arguing that pedophilia should be constitutional if you believe the "preferences," since they are not conscious choices, should be protected under the 14th.
Ok so what you are telling me is that you get raging boners around other men, but you just choose not to act on those boners?
What the fuck are you talking about? Your religion is a preference.
Children are not consenting to being diddled. The basis for prosecuting pedos isn't that they have a preference that we just don't like, it's the fact that they engage in sex with people who don't or can't consent. No different than people who prefer to rape adults. The principle here is not "we get to discriminate on certain preferences." It is "people have the right to not be sexed on without their consent, and children physically cannot consent."
Government should have no say over such things. No victim = no crime.
And the vast majority of them fucking ARE unconstitutional. The reason the left keeps winning is because "the right" fundamentally agrees with the left that government is the supreme sovereign and the people must obey.
Strictly speaking, the federal government has no authority to make such laws, but since such behavior involves a victim, the states have that authority. The purpose of the federal government is not to rule over us as a nation, it is to coordinate among the 50 sovereign states.
This becomes irrelevant since the rest of my comment addresses "preferences" even if they aren't consciously decided.
Sure. And your religion isn't protected under the 14th amendment. It is protected under the first.
You did the same thing with guns and I explained that guns weren't protected under the 14th, they are protected under the second.
I agree. I'm not here to argue the merits on these laws. I'm here to argue that "equal protections" isn't the argument.
Where in the 14th amendment does it talk about whether there is a victim or not?
Yes, but not under the 14th amendment. That is in the tenth.
The federal government should not be involved in marriage, per the tenth amendment. But states should be permitted to ban homosexual marriage, if that is the will of the people of that state, as there is no amendment that guarantees homosexual marriage because the fourteenth amendment doesn't apply to "preferences."