When Christ sent the Holy Spirit the practices of Judaism died. Any religion that is attached to Christ or the Father that doesn't have Christ at the center of it is nothing less than a cult
Judaism is now satanism. Reject the Son of God and you embrace his rival who is the morningstar. There is no way to 'sugarcoat' it. I can only hope those jews do see Jesus for who he is because they tread the path of fallen star.
This is correct. This is why it really gets under my skin to have our tax dollars going to Israel and to have the entire Republican party (Trump included) fight harder for Israel than they do for America... Not to mention the majority of my Christian brothers and sisters more concerned with the well-being and preservation of Israel than that of America.
Rather, evangelicals have been deliberately, knowingly mislead by corrupt, reprobate deep state scum puppets for often longer than Millennials and even many Xers has existed.
Their faith has been weaponized against them to psyop them and make them go cuck themselves, truth is squarely outside their frame of reference.
Their confusion is understandable.
What is the answer to that?
1st, acknowledge that you have been hood-winked.
2nd, figure out as much as possible, get ready to run your brain like the twitter servers...
All religions are fake and hoaxes. One cult always hates the competition from others so demonizes the other hoaxes because they steal their potential followers (i.e. cash cows).
You, sir, are sadly mistaken. After the coming of Jesus, those who followed him, of course, promoted Christianity. The whole point of Judaism was to herald the coming of the messiah. That’s it. The current Jews have an edited torah that removes the thousands of references in it to Jesus being the true Messiah. Moreover, they mostly follow the Talmud, which is the Babylonian book of traditions. The Talmud blasphemes Jesus.
Finally, the Jews are waiting for what they think is going to be the real Messiah. This course is the antichrist.
According to your imaginary friend, slavery is okay and so is murder. Rejecting that message is a moral act. Continuing to follow the edicts of a fake religion is immoral.
Glad to hear a cultist finally admit that they think murder of children is okay. Lying about what is in their own, publicly available propaganda is one thing, but at least you admit you're a cowardly piece of shit.
This is fake news. Ben is a little beta male and I don't care for him, but the reality is he only said "he would not be surprised that God forbid something should happen...Ye should do something to himself given his behavior."
I think people are getting a little too eager to manipulate and twist words just like CNN does. We're better than the evil left. I hate to see lies on this platform. When you listen to the context he absolutely is not telling Kanye to kill himself, that's almost as stupid as Ben himself. That's no different than Trump saying about those crossing the border: they're bringing drugs, crime, they're rapists, and some are good people. CNN then says: Trump says ALL MEXICANS ARE RAPISTS!!! Liars.
I dont know man... sounds like he tried to backtrack from the "something should happen to him"... the fevered blinking and switch from an external action to self harm is too jarring to ignore
Agreed. I listened to the podcast and when he said this he was directly talking about bipolar mania and how a hard depressive crash always follows a manic episode - and he's right, it does. Think what you want about Jews this and that, but Kanye is definitely off his rocker, and he's going to crash hard.
thanks for clarifying. i don’t really care enough about shapiro to verify what he said, but i do appreciate it when pedes take the effort to make sure the rest of us get it right.
More importantly why are so many here quick to defend Ye? He’s literally a Nazi sympathizer who set up Trump. We’re so quick to cling to people the media/Democrats hate, it’s our downfall.
Better to defend Ye than being a little PC, self-cucking bitch bitching about "Nazis". Little Benny is a little, weak snake-bitch but at least he isn't a self-cucking one.
Ignoring what Ye pointed out, ignored what Henry Ford warned about already back in 1920, is what lead to the current situation. The time to stop doing so was a veeery long time ago.
+95% of us tried to get the other way for decades, steered clear of nose-tising or even became bitch-made in the face of it. That is what lead to the downfall of America and the West.
We’re so quick to cling to people the media/Democrats hate,
Yeah. Because mot even disavowing Elon Musk or 2016 Trump for being too extreme is going to cut it.
Self cancelling and self thought policing is not respectable or decent, it is the indecency. Pathetic, contemptible and weak.
The answer is not to kowtow to the ideology, standards of the enemy deems acceptable but to aim to destroy that.
Do you people like you ever question why leftists can say they love Mao, Stalin, Che, Castro, Communism etc without anyone blinking an eye, but you mention Hitler and facism and people freak out. Why is that?
It’s not a fake clip it is on his podcast but people are taking it so far out of context, they may as well change their party affiliation to Democrat at this point
Exactly. Could we please draw a line and not support literal Nazi sympathizers? How will this lead to a MAGA victory? We’re becoming everything the media wants us to be.
There have been some thing like 64 religions. It’s amazing how Christians Muslims and Jews are clinging to their religion as if it’s the truth. Why don’t you guys all getting a ring together and fight it out. The people who see the stupidity of your religions will be on the sidelines with popcorn.
This is a clever logical fallacy that Bill Maher repeats, but that doesn't make it true. He claims there's like 10,000 religions so what are the odds you happen to have the right one. The first false premise is that there's no absolute truth. That's like if I ask you what 1+1 is and if you say 2, I say, "So you think you're special and just happened to have chosen the right one out of 10,000 other numbers?"
The second false premise is that there's not 8 billion people of which 2.2 billion or more are Christians (the most popular belief) which believes the Bible- and that is the most published book in world history by far that multiple religions believe- most people in the world believe its true. No one can claim to be truly educated or informed without at least reading the top book in the history of the world.
The reason atheism contradicts itself as a religion is that well-designed beings, animals, and plants exist and that violates science from the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Also the "believers" believe there was nothing, then nothing exploded into something (which is impossible and has never been witnessed or recreated), including eyes, hearing, taste, pleasure, which had sex with itself and randomly morphed into a well-designed set of animals with intelligently designed features we smart beings still can't comprehend, with a computer language that is repeated in each cell (DNA) allowing each to replicate itself, even repair itself. The false assumption is that things well designed and intelligent must have happened accidentally, because we desperately don't want an intelligent creator to exist therefore we will do serious gymnastics to believe in what fits with our false assumption. That's not science, that's a cult ideology.
I can have this discussion with you if you are comfortable with that.
First paragraph: “I have the winning lottery numbers”. Folks find there to be a lack of evidence one religion is closer to being the winning ticket than others, and find it premature to declare they have the winning lottery number. I imagine there is an absolute truth, though without more information, most religions are more or less on the same footing until you begin to deconstruct them. Lets make arguments against animism or hinduism. Now lets apply the same logic points we are ising to argue against them to the rest. I can expand on this but for the moment I’ll hang tight.
Second paragraph: In debate, the argument you presented is a “bandwagon fallacy”. You’re deferring to popular opinion Which may not be well supported. See: “Gay Marriage”. It’s overwhelmingly supported in woke america although we both understand it not to be proper. Arguing one wouldn’t know the truth without reading the bible, first implies the book to be the source of truth, without providing a supporting proof.
Third paragraph: it was a bit of a run on sentence though I get your point. “Hard Atheism” you’re correct. It’s as dogmatic. If there was no “creator”, we cannot explain the creation of existence. So, sitting where we both are at this moment if God didn’t existence, then what could have created everything? We don’t have an explanation other than God to explain everything which means if God doesn’t exist then we don’t know what/who created everything. The big bang doesn’t explain what created the matter in the universe, it demonstrates the matter is expanding. Not going to deep dive here, but James Webb Space Telescope exists and can visibly see the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation which is used to support universal expansion.
If you made it this far, great. I am jealous of religious communities because it’s so comfortable knowing the complete picture of existence/life. I can’t imagine how it feels to know all the answers about everything. You don’t need to think about it at all and can focus on other things in life without wondering why everything is here. I really wish God was real so we could all feel comfortable and know what happens after we die and why everything is here, but it kind of doesn’t matter given one day we’ll either find out or we won’t. It’s depressing as fuck to think some day I’m not going to be with the ones I love. Life is great, love is great, it’s incredible when its good. Life also sucks hard at times but in general life is a wonderful thing.
The problem is though, every time I crack open the Bible, there are many things that seem problematic. It mostly starts in genesis with the understanding God is omnipotent, and also understanding he respects free will. God chooses the numbers he wants when he plays the lottery and he also knows what the outcome will be. If he wanted to hit the lottery he could print those numbers and win every time, so he had to understand printing the garden, with the tree of knowledge and then Adam and eve, he knew the lottery ticket was going to hit before printing those numbers.
And we haven’t even left genesis. “But those were the old laws”. No, this is just creation. The laws of moses were superseded by the New Testament but has no bearing on creation.
Is it the free will or the artist to paint the picture as he sees fit, would god control the sweep of the artists brush to make a more perfect stroke? If God can indeed change free will then we can stop at this point with my argument. Otherwise it’s tantelizing when folks pray not to have a wheel fall off when driving etc, was it the free will of the mechanic to make a mistake and not put the tire on correctly? Etc.
Ok, you seemed to go in a different direction than your original comment that I replied to. You wrote about lottery numbers and quoted that but it didn't appear anywhere before, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.
Second paragraph I offered facts through statistics that disproved your original assumption and you didn't refute it, but offered a partial strawman argument from that in a general sense, which also sidesteps the point. You questioned the credibility of the Bible. The Bible is not really one book, but a library of books by different authors over 1,500 years who didn't know each other, and the library supports itself. It has wisdom that scientists didn't know at the time it was written, indicating that the authors had some kind of external inspiration. Also, some people claimed it was inaccurate, but when dead sea scrolls were found, they turned out to be a near identical match proving that its accurate.
Third: atheism vs theism. The problem is we exist, the world exists, animals and plants exist, systems exist, and it all shows design. This must be explained. The theist and Christian view is this was intentionally designed, not accidentally designed. If something is designed its not illogical to believe there might be a designer, just like a building might have a builder, and if you see a painting there might be a painter. This is common sense, we don't see paintings paint themselves, or buildings build themselves, but yet this is the atheist view. Atheists are so quick to fiercely attack Christians and theists for believing a design had a designer but then when they are asked to explain how then they can explain how we exist, they retreat into "I don't know." If you don't know then atheists have no little grounds to attack others' explanation for how we exist.
4 Other paragraphs: you are getting into other topics like your hangups with the Bible. You mention lottery ticket again and I don't know what you mean. Freewill- I don't fully understand your point. Feel free to ask your questions one at a time if you want my perspective. You said it must be nice to have all the answers. Christians don't have all the answers, so I don't know where that assumption comes from. The Bible explains how the earth came to be, but it appears to intentionally not explain everything and indicates many things are left a mystery and secret. (Proverbs 25:2). Not everything is for us to know.
Lottery analogy to make a simile between the world religions. You went to the local store and printed a lottery ticket, muslims have islam, christians have christianity, indians have hindus etc, and most are holding the lottery ticket with both hands by their chest looking up at the TV waiting for the lottery numbers to come out at 8pm all convinced they have the winning ticket.
“Second paragraph I…”
First part I’m a bit confused about what you’re referring to. Though I think you’re referring to my gay marriage comment. I’ll try again. Just because 500 million (estimated) atheists believe there is no god, doesn’t make it true. That just means there are 500 million of us that have the burden of prove. We’ve both been in I assume at least one situation where a majority believe in something and we think to ourselves “am I taking crazy pills what is going on?”. Appeal to the majority doesn’t make something true, it strictly means that group believes something. Could be true could be false. To the point I’m not arguing against the age of the Tanakh, or New Testament. Yes the bible is a collection of books. Theology is not certain who the authors were, if they were written by who was credited. Some books may have had the same authors. There have been other books to my knowledge which are not included. Some are duplicated texts, some are unique. We understand the bible was written that is a fact. Having multiple contributors over many years, is assumed though is probable. The works of plato have existed, and buddhist dharma, other old texts exist in the present as well. The science bit Id need you to provide something for me to respond to. Science had existed for a time before the time of Jesus, though if you’d like to bring something forward we can discuss. I’m interested to see what you bring to discuss. Dead Sea scrolls may have been/are early texts of the Tanakh, nothing really here to debate on.
“Third: atheism vs. theism…”
Yes, the “why” functions exist in the manner they do in a direct sense can be explained. The origination, “God” or something else, is why we’re having this discussion. It’s not illogical to think something with a design was designed. I think Atheism has become a cancer. I personally cannot stand how they talk on reddit. It’s abhorrent at times. It’s basically the “are you a biologist?” Argument from pro trans people. To just dip in for a moment, I don’t purport there is no god. Of the Gods that have been presented. I feel based on my experiences among my explorations to my questions, there are flaws that have stuck out to me, which in my view discredit the faith.
“4 other paragraphs…”
I closed my last post attempting to provide you with my perspective on life/dogma/etc to frame the next part where I went into my observations and reservations on the Bible. The Bible is framed as, and you also utilized as evidence, the existence of your god. “many believe it to be true, most published book, many authors”. Many Christians present the Bible as without error as, if the author (god) is true, the bible must be without error, or in error there is truth (explaining away things some point to as not making sense/adding up). Atheists or other religious folk will look to the bible with critical, skeptical, eyes. If the faith has certain foundations, I take that as the answer sheet when reading the book, and when the questions don’t match the answers, it makes me confused and think “wait a second that doesn’t make any sense, isn’t it supposed to be like this, because it’s God?”. Origins of Sin, Free Will, Serpent in the garden, Jonah, great flood, etc. some say they’re allegory others say it’s absolute fact. It’s easier to believe the stories are just allegory because some do not align well with certain teachings. This already is a chapter long so I’ll leave it here. If you are curious on my thoughts of certain aspects of the bible let me know and I’ll break them down.
Hello, I don't mind discussing, but just one thing at a time. It's too much effort to try to piece back together the conversation and understand what you're talking about.
Regarding your lottery ticket idea, in my view that's just a continuation of the original fallacy I pointed out. That's why I mentioned the statistics to refute it, that most people on earth believe in God and the Bible and that Christianity is the top most popular belief in the world. This is now becoming circular.
You assumed I shared that statistic to imply that by sheer numbers it must then have more credibility. Instead its that you claim beliefs are like guessing the right one out of a multitude of even choices like a lottery. Maybe its only 2 choices: do you believe you were intentionally designed or accidentally designed? (Do you believe in God or not?) If not, you're in the minority. People shouldn't be shamed for having an idea or belief that explains why we exist. There is an actual, true reason for why we exist. And its a false assumption to say that people can't or don't change their beliefs.
“ Instead its that you claim beliefs are like guessing the right one out of a multitude of even choices like a lottery.”
— So, do I understand right, because many people believe in christianity, it’s more likely to be true, (not even choices)?
— As a generalization nobody should be shamed for their beliefs, assuming they don’t bring harm. (See: Sharia Law).
Is your main messaging to Atheists that there is an abundance of complexity in life, and that the Bible is a historical book that has survived thousands of years?
These guys are the original protected class that has drove us to the woke issues. This is nonsense. I give no cares what your religion is and no one has a right to try and force me to respect theirs. Fuckin perpetual victims while being one of the most successful groups of people in the world today. I think part of Ye's dialect is bc he understands it's wrong to not be able to criticize anyone or anything.
I said the same thing after watching the Jeffery Dahmer documentary. The man who baptized him in prison said he seemed sincere in his desire to be baptized into the family of God.
Matthew 5:43-45:
You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. ' But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven.
The Donald wasn't always known for posting blatant out of context lies of like this, shame on everybody that allows this shit to happen. Report report report
Yeah, unfortunately morons exist on both sides of the aisle and it’s becoming more clear as the years go by how incredibly wrong both sides are. We may as well be living in the movie idiocracy.
But that would completely destroy the lie this person is trying to craft to fool stupid people. Go and listen to his whole podcast, he was advocating for Kanye's mental health. Considering the rank bile Kanye directed towards him, Ben is being the better Christian. And he's not even a Christian.
Jesus, aka God, forgave His murderers AS they were murdering Him. Of course Ben has rejected God and His New Covenant.
This ^
They reject Christ's message, which is literally love thy neighbor.
When Christ sent the Holy Spirit the practices of Judaism died. Any religion that is attached to Christ or the Father that doesn't have Christ at the center of it is nothing less than a cult
Judaism is now satanism. Reject the Son of God and you embrace his rival who is the morningstar. There is no way to 'sugarcoat' it. I can only hope those jews do see Jesus for who he is because they tread the path of fallen star.
This is correct. This is why it really gets under my skin to have our tax dollars going to Israel and to have the entire Republican party (Trump included) fight harder for Israel than they do for America... Not to mention the majority of my Christian brothers and sisters more concerned with the well-being and preservation of Israel than that of America.
The psy-ops is deep and wide.
Such is the power of the great deceiver
This is the fault of retard Evangelicals who don't understand theology
Rather, evangelicals have been deliberately, knowingly mislead by corrupt, reprobate deep state scum puppets for often longer than Millennials and even many Xers has existed.
Their faith has been weaponized against them to psyop them and make them go cuck themselves, truth is squarely outside their frame of reference.
Their confusion is understandable.
What is the answer to that?
1st, acknowledge that you have been hood-winked.
2nd, figure out as much as possible, get ready to run your brain like the twitter servers...
3rd, ...the fight is still going on, JOIN IT!
DEATH TO VIDEODROME!
any attempt to stop the USA tax dollars to Israel will be labeled as anti-semitism. Unfortunately.
The Synagogue of Satan is OG evil
Every time
That is why we are not to acknowledge their control.
Once you acknowledge it is, that it exists, the next question is if it is good or bad.
And the answer is, it isn't. Not even Vaush will openly defend their control, at least not yet.
All religions are fake and hoaxes. One cult always hates the competition from others so demonizes the other hoaxes because they steal their potential followers (i.e. cash cows).
Religions are not equal. Some are better or worst than others.
They are all nonsense. Anyone claiming creationism as the core idea of their philosophy is a fool attempting to fool other fools.
No it isn’t. You’re making a weird assumption that all Jews believe what ben shapiro believes.
We don’t say “Christianity is now satanism” when we discover a prominent Christian has done something to serve satan.
A lot of us acknowledge Christ is King.
And even Jews that don’t aren’t satanists.
Plenty of atheists and fakers but not satanists (when we’re talking about your average temple goer).
You, sir, are sadly mistaken. After the coming of Jesus, those who followed him, of course, promoted Christianity. The whole point of Judaism was to herald the coming of the messiah. That’s it. The current Jews have an edited torah that removes the thousands of references in it to Jesus being the true Messiah. Moreover, they mostly follow the Talmud, which is the Babylonian book of traditions. The Talmud blasphemes Jesus.
Finally, the Jews are waiting for what they think is going to be the real Messiah. This course is the antichrist.
Most jews, including Trump supporters like Wayne Root, are completely silent about the jewish mafia destroying the world.
Why is that?
Wayne Root even expressed “pride” in the ‘success” of such jews yesterday.
Separate yourselves from evil now or share their fate.
Compare the reactions...
Darren J Beattie, ignores the details of Ye's statements it but doesn't attack him.
Many who call themselves Trump supporters gets triggered, goes utterly ape shit.
Funny thing that--love they neighbor was Jesus quoting Leviticus.
It's in the Torah too. No excuse for Jewish religious folks to ignore it. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
According to your imaginary friend, slavery is okay and so is murder. Rejecting that message is a moral act. Continuing to follow the edicts of a fake religion is immoral.
1Peter 2:18
Ex 21:17 AND Mark 7:10
Reject cults. Embrace reason.
Both of those are taken blatantly out of context. Tip that fedora and be on your way.
The typical cultist response: "nuance!" You sound just like the commie cultists and you don't even realize it.
Read the book. There are plenty of other examples with clear instructions to be an immoral shitbag.
Slave had a different meaning in that day, and there are some children who should be put down.
Glad to hear a cultist finally admit that they think murder of children is okay. Lying about what is in their own, publicly available propaganda is one thing, but at least you admit you're a cowardly piece of shit.
Enjoy Canada.
Enjoy stupidity.
Correct. And if he doesn’t repent he’s gonna bust Hell wide open. Ironically, he and Hitler may be roommates
Based God-man
Also, it's important to remember that, worse than Judas Iscariot, I betray God numerous times each day.
Judas' unforgivable sin wasn't his betrayal, it was his being consumed by despair, not seeking repentance and forgiveness, and committing suicide.
If you are worse than Judas then you should not be posting here. Thanks for letting us know.
Luke 6:46
I don't understand what that has to do with your comments.
This is fake news. Ben is a little beta male and I don't care for him, but the reality is he only said "he would not be surprised that God forbid something should happen...Ye should do something to himself given his behavior."
I think people are getting a little too eager to manipulate and twist words just like CNN does. We're better than the evil left. I hate to see lies on this platform. When you listen to the context he absolutely is not telling Kanye to kill himself, that's almost as stupid as Ben himself. That's no different than Trump saying about those crossing the border: they're bringing drugs, crime, they're rapists, and some are good people. CNN then says: Trump says ALL MEXICANS ARE RAPISTS!!! Liars.
I dont know man... sounds like he tried to backtrack from the "something should happen to him"... the fevered blinking and switch from an external action to self harm is too jarring to ignore
Shapiro is a little bitch, of course he will backtrack.
You think he want Kanye coming to meet him IRL to ask for clarifications?
If he had, the clip would include it. How the fuck did you not learn this game in 2016?
Go fuck yourself
Your responses as bad as some of the shit Democrats say. You might need to reevaluate your bias.
You know what happened when little Benny publicly dissed Nick Fuentes? He definitively members.
I am not a fan of Ben, but in good faith, you're right in your assessment. That's not what he was implying, at face value.
I'll reserve the right to retract this statement if Ye gets Mos-suicid-ad down the road.
You forget that little benny is also a little bitch.
He ain't coming closer to threats than this.
https://patriots.win/p/16ZX84Qlsv/another-goblin-seems-to-threaten/c/
And he's not the only one.
Kill them with kindness.
There's a lot of stupid comments on here lately.
Agreed. I listened to the podcast and when he said this he was directly talking about bipolar mania and how a hard depressive crash always follows a manic episode - and he's right, it does. Think what you want about Jews this and that, but Kanye is definitely off his rocker, and he's going to crash hard.
I watched Ye for a couple hours and while he is an eccentric artist type, he seemed to have a very strong grasp of reality.
thanks for clarifying. i don’t really care enough about shapiro to verify what he said, but i do appreciate it when pedes take the effort to make sure the rest of us get it right.
More importantly why are so many here quick to defend Ye? He’s literally a Nazi sympathizer who set up Trump. We’re so quick to cling to people the media/Democrats hate, it’s our downfall.
Better to defend Ye than being a little PC, self-cucking bitch bitching about "Nazis". Little Benny is a little, weak snake-bitch but at least he isn't a self-cucking one.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190828093023/https://www.darkmoon.me/2013/the-sexual-decadence-of-weimar-germany/ https://mobile.twitter.com/USRising1776/status/1204440949616791555
Ignoring what Ye pointed out, ignored what Henry Ford warned about already back in 1920, is what lead to the current situation. The time to stop doing so was a veeery long time ago.
It's part of why we live in a society.
+95% of us tried to get the other way for decades, steered clear of nose-tising or even became bitch-made in the face of it. That is what lead to the downfall of America and the West.
Yeah. Because mot even disavowing Elon Musk or 2016 Trump for being too extreme is going to cut it.
Self cancelling and self thought policing is not respectable or decent, it is the indecency. Pathetic, contemptible and weak.
The answer is not to kowtow to the ideology, standards of the enemy deems acceptable but to aim to destroy that.
Do you people like you ever question why leftists can say they love Mao, Stalin, Che, Castro, Communism etc without anyone blinking an eye, but you mention Hitler and facism and people freak out. Why is that?
Because without double standards, leftists would have no standards.
Maybe, just maybe, we can agree ALL genocidal dictators are bad.
He really is fuck that rat faced weasel soldier
Mods wont like this one
His sister's milk trucks? 🍼🐄 that's two, perhaps the 3rd is never trust a man that talks too fast
56% Fake!
Something too honest.
Oh no, 🫢 someone said something meanzs about a jew.
https://archive.ph/DFFGf Always archive before deletions!
That hes a jew?
Every time
Weird how none of those rules on the right say anything about religious groups, yet here people are, getting censored.
true and straight
FUCK PRE-Pubescent Shapiro. He’s a pos.
Out of context clip, congratulations for being a small brain.
Who cares about the clip! Shapiro is still a pos with a low t bitch voice. Fuck you, too.
I'm willing to bet TravlingThr0ugh's opinion of Shapiro was the same prior to seeing this clip. I know I shared his sentiments toward Ben before today
Fuck that elf.
We know.
We noticed
It's a fake clip lmao. You bigots are so dumb.
That's bigotry against dumb people how dare you
I'll bet you also click on ads with hot girls in your area.
It’s not a fake clip it is on his podcast but people are taking it so far out of context, they may as well change their party affiliation to Democrat at this point
Exactly. Could we please draw a line and not support literal Nazi sympathizers? How will this lead to a MAGA victory? We’re becoming everything the media wants us to be.
Nope. Fuck that, no more PC self-cucking.
It's not a "nazi" sympathiser that ha worked to destroy America for generations to replace it with The Unholy Land, now is it?
The line to draw is not to shill for "them", who intends to steal the 2024 elections.
Ignoring this, for generations, is what lead to this current situation.
There have been some thing like 64 religions. It’s amazing how Christians Muslims and Jews are clinging to their religion as if it’s the truth. Why don’t you guys all getting a ring together and fight it out. The people who see the stupidity of your religions will be on the sidelines with popcorn.
This is a clever logical fallacy that Bill Maher repeats, but that doesn't make it true. He claims there's like 10,000 religions so what are the odds you happen to have the right one. The first false premise is that there's no absolute truth. That's like if I ask you what 1+1 is and if you say 2, I say, "So you think you're special and just happened to have chosen the right one out of 10,000 other numbers?"
The second false premise is that there's not 8 billion people of which 2.2 billion or more are Christians (the most popular belief) which believes the Bible- and that is the most published book in world history by far that multiple religions believe- most people in the world believe its true. No one can claim to be truly educated or informed without at least reading the top book in the history of the world.
The reason atheism contradicts itself as a religion is that well-designed beings, animals, and plants exist and that violates science from the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Also the "believers" believe there was nothing, then nothing exploded into something (which is impossible and has never been witnessed or recreated), including eyes, hearing, taste, pleasure, which had sex with itself and randomly morphed into a well-designed set of animals with intelligently designed features we smart beings still can't comprehend, with a computer language that is repeated in each cell (DNA) allowing each to replicate itself, even repair itself. The false assumption is that things well designed and intelligent must have happened accidentally, because we desperately don't want an intelligent creator to exist therefore we will do serious gymnastics to believe in what fits with our false assumption. That's not science, that's a cult ideology.
I can have this discussion with you if you are comfortable with that.
First paragraph: “I have the winning lottery numbers”. Folks find there to be a lack of evidence one religion is closer to being the winning ticket than others, and find it premature to declare they have the winning lottery number. I imagine there is an absolute truth, though without more information, most religions are more or less on the same footing until you begin to deconstruct them. Lets make arguments against animism or hinduism. Now lets apply the same logic points we are ising to argue against them to the rest. I can expand on this but for the moment I’ll hang tight.
Second paragraph: In debate, the argument you presented is a “bandwagon fallacy”. You’re deferring to popular opinion Which may not be well supported. See: “Gay Marriage”. It’s overwhelmingly supported in woke america although we both understand it not to be proper. Arguing one wouldn’t know the truth without reading the bible, first implies the book to be the source of truth, without providing a supporting proof.
Third paragraph: it was a bit of a run on sentence though I get your point. “Hard Atheism” you’re correct. It’s as dogmatic. If there was no “creator”, we cannot explain the creation of existence. So, sitting where we both are at this moment if God didn’t existence, then what could have created everything? We don’t have an explanation other than God to explain everything which means if God doesn’t exist then we don’t know what/who created everything. The big bang doesn’t explain what created the matter in the universe, it demonstrates the matter is expanding. Not going to deep dive here, but James Webb Space Telescope exists and can visibly see the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation which is used to support universal expansion.
If you made it this far, great. I am jealous of religious communities because it’s so comfortable knowing the complete picture of existence/life. I can’t imagine how it feels to know all the answers about everything. You don’t need to think about it at all and can focus on other things in life without wondering why everything is here. I really wish God was real so we could all feel comfortable and know what happens after we die and why everything is here, but it kind of doesn’t matter given one day we’ll either find out or we won’t. It’s depressing as fuck to think some day I’m not going to be with the ones I love. Life is great, love is great, it’s incredible when its good. Life also sucks hard at times but in general life is a wonderful thing.
The problem is though, every time I crack open the Bible, there are many things that seem problematic. It mostly starts in genesis with the understanding God is omnipotent, and also understanding he respects free will. God chooses the numbers he wants when he plays the lottery and he also knows what the outcome will be. If he wanted to hit the lottery he could print those numbers and win every time, so he had to understand printing the garden, with the tree of knowledge and then Adam and eve, he knew the lottery ticket was going to hit before printing those numbers.
And we haven’t even left genesis. “But those were the old laws”. No, this is just creation. The laws of moses were superseded by the New Testament but has no bearing on creation.
Is it the free will or the artist to paint the picture as he sees fit, would god control the sweep of the artists brush to make a more perfect stroke? If God can indeed change free will then we can stop at this point with my argument. Otherwise it’s tantelizing when folks pray not to have a wheel fall off when driving etc, was it the free will of the mechanic to make a mistake and not put the tire on correctly? Etc.
Ok, you seemed to go in a different direction than your original comment that I replied to. You wrote about lottery numbers and quoted that but it didn't appear anywhere before, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.
Second paragraph I offered facts through statistics that disproved your original assumption and you didn't refute it, but offered a partial strawman argument from that in a general sense, which also sidesteps the point. You questioned the credibility of the Bible. The Bible is not really one book, but a library of books by different authors over 1,500 years who didn't know each other, and the library supports itself. It has wisdom that scientists didn't know at the time it was written, indicating that the authors had some kind of external inspiration. Also, some people claimed it was inaccurate, but when dead sea scrolls were found, they turned out to be a near identical match proving that its accurate.
Third: atheism vs theism. The problem is we exist, the world exists, animals and plants exist, systems exist, and it all shows design. This must be explained. The theist and Christian view is this was intentionally designed, not accidentally designed. If something is designed its not illogical to believe there might be a designer, just like a building might have a builder, and if you see a painting there might be a painter. This is common sense, we don't see paintings paint themselves, or buildings build themselves, but yet this is the atheist view. Atheists are so quick to fiercely attack Christians and theists for believing a design had a designer but then when they are asked to explain how then they can explain how we exist, they retreat into "I don't know." If you don't know then atheists have no little grounds to attack others' explanation for how we exist.
4 Other paragraphs: you are getting into other topics like your hangups with the Bible. You mention lottery ticket again and I don't know what you mean. Freewill- I don't fully understand your point. Feel free to ask your questions one at a time if you want my perspective. You said it must be nice to have all the answers. Christians don't have all the answers, so I don't know where that assumption comes from. The Bible explains how the earth came to be, but it appears to intentionally not explain everything and indicates many things are left a mystery and secret. (Proverbs 25:2). Not everything is for us to know.
“Ok you seemed to…”
Lottery analogy to make a simile between the world religions. You went to the local store and printed a lottery ticket, muslims have islam, christians have christianity, indians have hindus etc, and most are holding the lottery ticket with both hands by their chest looking up at the TV waiting for the lottery numbers to come out at 8pm all convinced they have the winning ticket.
“Second paragraph I…”
First part I’m a bit confused about what you’re referring to. Though I think you’re referring to my gay marriage comment. I’ll try again. Just because 500 million (estimated) atheists believe there is no god, doesn’t make it true. That just means there are 500 million of us that have the burden of prove. We’ve both been in I assume at least one situation where a majority believe in something and we think to ourselves “am I taking crazy pills what is going on?”. Appeal to the majority doesn’t make something true, it strictly means that group believes something. Could be true could be false. To the point I’m not arguing against the age of the Tanakh, or New Testament. Yes the bible is a collection of books. Theology is not certain who the authors were, if they were written by who was credited. Some books may have had the same authors. There have been other books to my knowledge which are not included. Some are duplicated texts, some are unique. We understand the bible was written that is a fact. Having multiple contributors over many years, is assumed though is probable. The works of plato have existed, and buddhist dharma, other old texts exist in the present as well. The science bit Id need you to provide something for me to respond to. Science had existed for a time before the time of Jesus, though if you’d like to bring something forward we can discuss. I’m interested to see what you bring to discuss. Dead Sea scrolls may have been/are early texts of the Tanakh, nothing really here to debate on.
“Third: atheism vs. theism…”
Yes, the “why” functions exist in the manner they do in a direct sense can be explained. The origination, “God” or something else, is why we’re having this discussion. It’s not illogical to think something with a design was designed. I think Atheism has become a cancer. I personally cannot stand how they talk on reddit. It’s abhorrent at times. It’s basically the “are you a biologist?” Argument from pro trans people. To just dip in for a moment, I don’t purport there is no god. Of the Gods that have been presented. I feel based on my experiences among my explorations to my questions, there are flaws that have stuck out to me, which in my view discredit the faith.
“4 other paragraphs…”
I closed my last post attempting to provide you with my perspective on life/dogma/etc to frame the next part where I went into my observations and reservations on the Bible. The Bible is framed as, and you also utilized as evidence, the existence of your god. “many believe it to be true, most published book, many authors”. Many Christians present the Bible as without error as, if the author (god) is true, the bible must be without error, or in error there is truth (explaining away things some point to as not making sense/adding up). Atheists or other religious folk will look to the bible with critical, skeptical, eyes. If the faith has certain foundations, I take that as the answer sheet when reading the book, and when the questions don’t match the answers, it makes me confused and think “wait a second that doesn’t make any sense, isn’t it supposed to be like this, because it’s God?”. Origins of Sin, Free Will, Serpent in the garden, Jonah, great flood, etc. some say they’re allegory others say it’s absolute fact. It’s easier to believe the stories are just allegory because some do not align well with certain teachings. This already is a chapter long so I’ll leave it here. If you are curious on my thoughts of certain aspects of the bible let me know and I’ll break them down.
Hello, I don't mind discussing, but just one thing at a time. It's too much effort to try to piece back together the conversation and understand what you're talking about.
Regarding your lottery ticket idea, in my view that's just a continuation of the original fallacy I pointed out. That's why I mentioned the statistics to refute it, that most people on earth believe in God and the Bible and that Christianity is the top most popular belief in the world. This is now becoming circular.
You assumed I shared that statistic to imply that by sheer numbers it must then have more credibility. Instead its that you claim beliefs are like guessing the right one out of a multitude of even choices like a lottery. Maybe its only 2 choices: do you believe you were intentionally designed or accidentally designed? (Do you believe in God or not?) If not, you're in the minority. People shouldn't be shamed for having an idea or belief that explains why we exist. There is an actual, true reason for why we exist. And its a false assumption to say that people can't or don't change their beliefs.
“ Instead its that you claim beliefs are like guessing the right one out of a multitude of even choices like a lottery.” — So, do I understand right, because many people believe in christianity, it’s more likely to be true, (not even choices)? — As a generalization nobody should be shamed for their beliefs, assuming they don’t bring harm. (See: Sharia Law).
Is your main messaging to Atheists that there is an abundance of complexity in life, and that the Bible is a historical book that has survived thousands of years?
The Old testament is part of the Bible, Nazi.
The Talmud isnt
Stop shilling for [removed]s!
We’re supporting ethnic genocides now? GTFO
Lmao the Nazis were shit people and so are you.
Ok npc
He only has one loyalty
Just like every dual citizen in Congress
Retard. He spends every bit of his career advocating for the betterment of this country.
Every bit of his career advocating for the betterment of a country. That country being Israel.
Benji is a faggot who should be ignored
Ask ol Ben how he feels about Palestinians, I'd bet he say kill them.
Better yet ask Ben how he feels about Jesus Christ
Wouldn't break my heart.
Boomer cons.
Wrong. Boomers have no idea who Ben Shapiro is.
Ben even looks like a snake.
You know little Benji Shapiro is feeling threatened when he dedicates an entire 70 minute show to Kanye.
Someone didn't watch the show. He advocated for Kanye's mental health to improve, and for the Nazi grifters brainwashing him to stop exploiting him.
Not what happened cuck
These guys are the original protected class that has drove us to the woke issues. This is nonsense. I give no cares what your religion is and no one has a right to try and force me to respect theirs. Fuckin perpetual victims while being one of the most successful groups of people in the world today. I think part of Ye's dialect is bc he understands it's wrong to not be able to criticize anyone or anything.
the way he says that shit and the way his facial expressions almost implode is quite odd
Don't be surprised if when you get to heaven you see Hitler there.
Grace is offered to everyone who accepts it - forgiveness for all sins forever.
Romans 5:20 "The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more..."
Having said that, Ben was talking about Ye being suicided for speaking against the left. Ben didn't say Ye should kill himself.
I said the same thing after watching the Jeffery Dahmer documentary. The man who baptized him in prison said he seemed sincere in his desire to be baptized into the family of God.
Atheists don't go to heaven, dumbass.
I said if they accept the gift.
You are right, because Heaven isn’t even a real place.
The New Testament preaches this. If you think the New Testament is bunk, then you will not think this way.
Kanye gonna get benjied?
i don't like ben but that's not what he's saying.
Ben is the favorite party boy of the Lincoln Project faggots.
Yeah he is a weasel
I think if they could have bacon they wouldn’t be the way they are.
Matthew 5:43-45: You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. ' But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven.
Clip is too short to get full context, it sounds like he was about to say he hopes Ye gets help.
I really do not like Ben Shapiro under normal circumstances, but need a longer clip to get full context here.
Fuck Ben Shapiro.
I listened to the show and that is not even close to what Shapiro said.
A 7 second clip? Would really loved to have seen the entire sentence he was aying not just on part.
Aye, you must be new here.
The Donald wasn't always known for posting blatant out of context lies of like this, shame on everybody that allows this shit to happen. Report report report
Yeah, unfortunately morons exist on both sides of the aisle and it’s becoming more clear as the years go by how incredibly wrong both sides are. We may as well be living in the movie idiocracy.
But that would completely destroy the lie this person is trying to craft to fool stupid people. Go and listen to his whole podcast, he was advocating for Kanye's mental health. Considering the rank bile Kanye directed towards him, Ben is being the better Christian. And he's not even a Christian.
Judaism doesn't even have hell. Re: once Hitler finally figured out he was wrong he'd end up with G*d... Not be in hell.
Judaism today is different than 2,000yrs ago.
Ben "Baby Dick" Shapiro at it again I see.
This is the guy with the trans sister?