My Family ran a Cross country trucking company, Each tank holds about 125 gallons so about 250 total on average, depending on the truck and what's being hold will get between 4-8 miles to a gallon, which is 1200-2400 miles NOT 600, the lie is started
This was edited for total gallons
Yup, and the Tesla range is probably with no load. Not even an empty trailer. The only way the electric semi would work is if batteries could be quickly swapped with charged ones at a truck stop.
nope, they actually have demoed it,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtgaYEh-qSk
500 miles, single charge, 81,000Lbs gross.
Might be decent for short haul/linehaul purposes but not for long haul team operations.
Again, it's not designed for that job yet, it's a DAY truck, not an interstate sleeper.
once these are out and about with more real world running data, and Tesla have rolled out Megachargers at truck stops, then we will see them going cross-country.
Which is quite literally what I said.
Wait till these batteries catch on fire after pulling a heavy load and overheating. These things better be bright yellow and stay away from them on a rainy day. Some shrapnel and they go booom.
Oh yeah. I'd be interested to see what the ratio of traditional semis vs battery operated semis ends up being. Also, what's gonna be the cost to replace that battery? The tesla car ones are as much as a basic Honda civic lol.
So my latest thoughts on all this are...
Why are we even starting with electric trucks and not like maglev electric trains or something?
It's like we are fooling around with the intermediate or even tertiary logistics step instead of the base.
Wouldn't give us a more significant advantage overall for instance if we could have a port to rail line that was super efficient first?
I feel like it would be more feasible to have AI driven electric/mag lev/ rail lines going back and forth to depots than just starting off with self driving electric cars?
Again, I have no experience in anything and it's literally something I've just recently been thinking of because I live in a town that became a town due to rail lines but I was literally waiting for train to go by a few weeks ago behind a Tesla!
Like that old fucking train juxtaposed with that Tesla just got my hamster going.
Why THE fuck are we even fucking with non commercial vehicle at all at this point. Trucks I get, but why not trains?I feel like the economy would gain net-benefit wise if we like upgraded train and mass shipment tech first?
It's like we are skipping a branch on the tech tree to be trying AI self driving cars but we still have that bucket graffiti trains plowin' along?
Does anyone know what's up with this? Is there something that makes it not feasible? I don't get it. And if the trains aren't feasible, why are the trucks? Why are the cars?
Maglev is FUCKING STUPIDLY EXPENSIVE
Nobody in their right minds goes that way, the track is just silly money.
and trains are only good for fixed routes...
there's a reason trucks killed rail..
And several others, however last mile argument is probably the best...
A couple others I am aware of are:
Your cargo will be off-loaded somewhere between 1 and 10 days after it enters the final rail yard
Overzealous forklift drivers (though these can be had in trucking as well), putting holes in things (never fun right before something like a trade show).
Costs nearly the same, in some cases more expensive, than having a van shipped via truck.
Trains are efficient for getting product across the country, that much is sure (they are all Diesel Electric, basically a diesel generator which turns electric motors, diesel engines are at their most efficient at a constant designed RPM, generally speaking, making them ideal for this application.), I have often pondered the thought of battery (or some form of capacitor) cars, something to make them true hybrids, when a train is slowing that energy is expended as heat energy, put through resistors (at least on the engines), and brake application (also a heat energy, though friction caused this time). If you could save some of that energy and use it to get the train moving again, or from a downhill and used on an uphill.
It may fall under the laws of diminishing returns though, as the weight to carry may be to great to justify it...
Maglev is really a light duty transport. It can’t really haul serious weight at all, and you cannot stack engines to make it do more. It’s fast but brittle.
Doesn't really matter, governments all over planet are crazy and they want to ban ALL internal combustion cars.
Soon Tesla Semi will be only option in town while rest of us will curse about rise in prices.
"Crazy" is a polite way of saying "Evil".
The push to ban ICE vehicles is just a small part of a multi-pronged attack on all of civilization. On all forms of human identity.
It's the final battle of the forces of a wanna-be unipolar one-world government - against humanity itself.
They literally want to kill us all.
Maybe not if Elon keeps leaking twitter files lol
True. Demod with 81,00lb trailer, which is the MAX load. It went 409 miles and will charge in about 30 minutes which the driver is supposed to take as a break anyways.
Yes, Megachargers are needed at truck stops. Tesla will help install them.
Why is everyone dead-set against electric? Its not perfect, but may be what's needed to trigger an upgrade of our electrical system. It's not a one-size fits all soiution, either, bit it does work when done right.
This. EV is NOT FOR EVERYONE. But there are applications for it that make a lot of sense. One of those is fleet vehicles. Definitely vehicles like UPS/FedEx delivery trucks, fleet vans, etc. Will it be good for OTR semi's? Not sure yet. But it does have excellent applications. But ICE vehicles are not going away either. The future is a mix of fuel types.
Our policy should be to let the consumers decide what they want. If a product suits a given person's need, then let them buy it.
This is how we get better vehicles of all types.
I get why the US government has been encouraging the development of all-electric consumer vehicles for the past 50 years. But the current policy to favor EVs over gas-guzzlers is more a matter of favoring politically-connected companies and family, rather than something rational.
It would be rational to promote every kind of different fuel type, let the competition be fierce, and let the buyer decide.
Because they're going to be shit in the cold. The powers that be want us dependent on an electric grill that they can just turn off and on whenever they decide to.
Not true at all. Have been thru five winters and the cold has almost negligible effect. Way better than an ice engine cold start in winter.
It's -33 with a -42 windchill where I am in Canada.
There's no way I'd rely on an electric vehicle. We take the batteries out of our trucks and bring them on really cold nights, or just leave them running.
This isn't a really cold night.
Assuming you are talking C degrees, doesn't gas start to jellify at those temps? Diesel fares even worse below 0C.
With that extreme, you will see the Tesla battery warmer kick in to prevent it from freezing, so you will experience power drain as your vehicle sits outside in those temps. The other option would be to plug in your Tesla during those cold nights outside or store it in a garage.
And someone who lives in weather like yours disagrees with you on arctic weather performance. https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-superowner-arctic-circle
I have about as much use for a tesla here as I would for any other luxury vehicle. I'm dubious that they'll survive these harsh winters, or anything else the environment throws at it. I also call bullshit on a roadster driving through 15 cm (6 inches) of snow with now issue.
If you want to be a tesla fan boy, go for it.
But you reak of city folk trying to change rural folks lives.
What proof of them not working in the cold? Tesla has vehicles everywhere that work just fine. I can see the electric grid argument, which is also why I don't recommend EVs for everyone, and only one per family with a gas alternative.
Check out Hoovies Garage on Youtube. His new video covers the horrible cold weather range on the F150 Lightning. Plenty of videos out there showing electric vehicles are horrible in cold weather climates.
The f150 lightning is a horrible vehicle to start with. I'm also not relying on random videos about shit cars to make my decisions. Tesla has a proven track record.
I'm in the north. I wouldn't drive a tesla anyways. Trucks are the only reliable vehicles here. I haven't seen a car in 5 months.
409 miles?
no, it was 500+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtOqU2o81iI&t=1234s
Because they can remote disable it. I like electric, but that is a showstopper for me.
They can remote disable any car from about the last ten years. They all have connectivity, now, and that's all it takes. If that's your worry, you need to stay away from anything new, not just EVs.
yeah, I'm taking out my onstar radio this week. Will rip out sirius radio as well if shtf. Yes remote disable is a feature siriusxm sells to car manufacturers.
[fyi - you can disable this on Teslas as well, plus reprogram them with different firmware. Some EV mod companies already do this for out-of-warranty Tesla conversions.
Throw in Tesla Giga Press and you have much lower mfg costs and production for complex die cast parts. The Tesla is simply a skateboard platform with a chassis bolted on top.
Yes
all new cars/tucks will have remote disable soon, your government have mandated it
Almost every new car, save for some base trim Toyotas, has telematics built in.
Doesn't bother me for fleet vehicles. Would never allow it on my personal vehicle
Vehicle doesn't have to be electronic to be remote disable ready. Almost every new car has a computer and comms that would be capable of it, IC engines included
They demoed it going 500 miles with load. Which is good, but that was probably optimal conditions has possible. Which mean that is probably max best max range going down from their. Diesel semis though are looking at well over 1000miles operational range. The electric semi operational is at best 500.
This still leaves a massive issue for any kind of cross state/long distance haul. Which means it's always back to the same thing with electric vehicles. Cool tech, great to see it advancing, battery tech is still a major issue to large scale individual/commercial adoption.
nope, they went from Sparks to San Diego, including a climb of over 4,000 feet..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtOqU2o81iI&t=1234s
and rember, this is a DAY cab truck, it's not designed for cross-country work yet.
Day trucks cannot do more than ~500 miles as it is because of driver hours.
That said, it can charge 10-80% in <30 mins, which is the mandatory driver rest break, so add another ~350 miles of range in that 30 mins.
once they are more established and public mega-chargers are available at the big truck rest stops on the interstates, then we will see them doing cross-country stuff.
a lot of semis and especially box trucks and daily use, local use only anyway. It could be a good option for many of them
I heard this same argument about Tesla cars. I just got back from a run between San Antonio and San Diego. It worked just fine.
The difference between a Tesla and other electric cars is the screen, (software) that puts the location of superchargers at the driver's fingertips, along with information about surrounding businesses.
I also saw seven wrecks, this trip, including a badly mangled truck that wound up blocking a divided highway, coming and going. Me, I drove the speed limit or even less when it rained, and I have 4-wheel drive. Not many people slow down for rain. I could have done without the puddles in the left-hand lane near Phoenix. I'll say a prayer for anybody involved in a wreck, but dammit, the biggest problem with cars is the nut behind the wheel.
I agree with driving safely and responsibly in all conditions, but also recognize that the speed limits are determined by the same people who told us masks and jabs will prevent covid, and ivermectin is for horses only.
watch this bit then!
https://youtu.be/LtOqU2o81iI?t=988
Lets see it maxed out at 80k lbs and traverse Donner’s.
watch the video...
went from Sparks to San Diego, including climbing to over 4,000 feet whilst fully loaded (81,000lbs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtOqU2o81iI&t=1234s
I'd have to watch again, but I think it was Fremont to San Diego. So no Donner pass. Maybe Grapevine on I-5.
you're right, it was, they actually had a video from a drone as it went up Grapevine...
Might be notable to add that no route Only goes "up".
(Not even the "dammit if I can just come up with One rare extreme-outlier example it means I 'won' the argument" ones.)
And that, with enough coming-back-down, Diesels bake their brakes and hope for runaway traps .. not cruise casually while refilling their own fuel tanks.
Every up, has a down.
Thing to wonder, short term, is what EVsemis could do with all that torque. So much of it that tire companies are building new tire technologies to handle it all. Maybe new classes of tandems? Bringing logistical and operational costs down even further per trip?
EVsemi: operational metrics, fuel savings, not changing the oil every month, lasting 2 to 4x longer, .. even detractors admit (for the roles they're suited, which is most) that the use-life savings of EVsemi would be like getting Two More Trucks For Free. Holy cow.
Meanwhile, the oldschool Semi manufactures aren't sitting around grousing about 'how EVs suck'. They're fvckin desperately trying to play catch-up in producing their Own EVsemis. For some reason.
and they could make the trailer section have a large battery that can be charged while it's at the warehouses and in turnarounds, so that the cab is free to switch to a freshly charged trailer/battery and move along
there's ways to make it work, but we obviously ain't ready to start retiring diesel shit yet
The problem with a battery-in-trailer scheme is that the weight would go directly to the axle load. This means it deducts directly from the payload and revenue. Even if the semi gets one mile per kWh, a 500 kWh battery pack and the related structure likely weighs 5,000 pounds vs maybe 800 pounds for 100 gallons of diesel and tank. That is lost revenue on every load.
More energy required to move the heavier load. Just because you converted fossil fuel energy to electric energy does not change what it takes to move it, so they are less energy efficient per load.
Well, the total load may be about the same, but the payload will often be significantly smaller.
The limiting factor for many loads is the state's maximum weight per axle. This is why you see those weigh stations on the highway. Every pound you add to the empty weight might be deducted from payload. So you may need more trucks/drivers for a given amount of cargo. Very green.
Musk said electric truck are allowed 2000 extra pounds at weigh stations by law.
Weight is more of an issue with breaks heating up on ICE vehicles, partial reason for all of those scary runaway truck ramps. Regenerative magnetic breaking means electric trucks depend far less on brakes.
As an engineering student I did an extensive study on axle weight and road wear. An increase of 2,000 pounds is very significant, as most states already allow axle weights well up the exponential curve of damage/weight. I would like to see a state-by-state breakdown of this increased weight allowance.
As background: Your average auto and light truck causes almost no wear on a properly paved roadway. The wear-and-tear starts to rise very rapidly as the axle weight approaches the legal limit. Any additional increase could easily add dramatically to road damage and maintenance.
Yes exactly. Less weight total goods per load, and some loads are paid based on weight of load so there is that. And the weight restrictions we have in place are important for not destroying roads and driving up road maintenance costs.
Looks like no need for that, driver has to rest for 30 mins anyway, and it can charge from 10-80% <30 mins.
the down side is the need for megachargers at the depo's so they start fully charged, or the need for public megachargers, which will obviously not appear overnight.
And the power grid failing making your entire logistics system fail, but hey.
That's a different problem - but yes, it is a problem that nobody seems to be actually addressing...
most western countries need to get back to the 70's plan of building new Nuc's.
We are about half-way though a new one here in the UK, but it’s not nearly enough, we could use at least another 4-5 this size (3.2Gw), and preferably 10+..
Back in the good-old days when we have more nuc's, we had power to spare at night - to the point they almost gave it away, and we started building pumped storage systems, night storage heating, etc etc. imagine having that amount of 'free' power at night now with EV's needing to be charged predominantly at night?
the issue is EV's are only part of the solution - if you believe in the climate bullshit.
True. It is all about subjugation and deletion of the middle class. When everyone is living in a dark and damp slum; the cockroach patties will be flowing in endlessly and on time. Thanks to EV hauling.
It's a feature, not a bug.
That is a lot of fucking A(Ampere hours) lol. Electric haulers may be the worst idea EVER. You can't even get a rivian to tow a boat very far... This will not ever work until trucks have onboard fusion reactors.
who's talking about the Rivian FFS?
most cunts who buy them will never tow shit.
and yes, the EV F150 is a pointless piece of shit too.
this Semi is built to do a specific job, and, by the looks of it, it can do that job.
Are you forgetting the similarities in electrical technology between all EV's? Do you think Musk has some magic batteries and electric motors that defy the laws of physics other EVs are subjected to? Electric motors are extremely inefficient no matter what they are in. If you are just a simp for Elon that is fine but I thought this was a discussion about technology. Amps and watts care nothing about the brand of the vehicle.
Basically, yes, Musk does...
Their powertrain and batteries are years ahead of everybody else.
Electric motors are always been over 90% efficient, but Tesla have gone this up over the 98% mark...
with this semi, the real figure to look at is their 1.7 kWh/mile figure, that's simply astounding.
How much "natural fuel" is required to make the batteries (mining using huge diesel motors) and charge the batteries? This all reminds me of how many people have no idea where the nicely packaged meats in the store 'come from'. They just know those pristine chicken breasts are ready to eat and pay no mind to all the chemicals used, slaughter occurring... But they would consider themselves people who never kill animals or subject them to harsh conditions.
These EV fan bois seem to forget that the energy required to move the vehicle is the same. Taking an extra step of converting fossil fuels to electricity doesn’t do shit to lower energy requirements, if anything it requires more.
actually, no it's not, that's the point!
This truck needs some 1.7kWh per mile, a typical diesel truck doing 8Mpg (optimistically!) uses 5kWh (in diesel) - [Diesel is some 40.5 kWh per US Gal.]
so, you think a conventional truck could do 500 miles loaded on 22.5 Gal's of diesel? - the energy equivalent to the Tesla's ~900kWh battery?
compounded with the natural fuels required to mine the raw materials for batts, manufacture plastics and other petroleum byproducts for the batts, transport them, charge the 'natural fuel conversion system' you are looking at huge losses of efficiency. Huge. But everyone just simp for EVs anyway... fuck.
"onboard fusion reactors"
Now we're talking. Home electrical as well
This is actually a great idea, although for some trips the business model would change.
Drivers would be tasked with taking a load from Stop to Stop, and might end up taking a different load every day.
Lots of problems with manifests and load responsibility would need to be figured out, but the "Load" would be responsible for power for the trip, not the driver. Could be an interesting model over time, but I don't know enough to say if the business issues could be worked out
How many times a trip would the tesla need to stop (4-5 more times than a dismal).
Watch for yourself..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtgaYEh-qSk
Remember, there are only so many hours a single driver can go for in a day/week/month
This whole idea is just dumb. It’s never going to replace combustion.
It will replace some ICE, not all. The future is a mix of fuel types. EV makes sense in some vehicle type applications (i.e. fleets).
LNG is better than electric for a lot of those applications.
LNG is still combustion. I think electric is great for some, especially localized, well scheduled applications
In short distance urban centers and that’s about it. You’re still consuming the same amount of energy, likely more.
LNG is every bit as clean as electric despite it being “combustion”. The energy transfer from a fossil fuel source to electricity makes it about a wash.
agreed. Might have confused with a comment further up in the thread contrasting electric with combustion and misinterpreted
It’s not supposed to work
Exactly. Why do you bigots need that long distance transportation anyway. Your commune bubble has all that you need, and if not then just die already
not all trucks have massive tanks.. Especially 'day' cab trucks.
The one I have been training on only has a ~460 litre tank (Class 1 44 tonner), and has ~700 miles range, which is way over what a single driver can legal do in a day (very most is ~450 miles - ie. 9 hours at ~50mph, we are governed at 56Mph and we don't have interstates that go on for 100's of miles.
if you're running cross-country, you're using sleeper cabs, maybe two up driving and have tanks to suit that.
the tesla Semi is a day cab truck, not designed for that job (yet).
It depends on what size fuel tanks are on the diesel truck. If only 600 miles of range, its a single smallish tank.
Most trucks carry over 200 gallons of fuel and average around 7.5 mpg. That equates to at least 1500 miles per fill.
Yikes. The life of a trucker. $1000 to fill up.
Yup. I drove throughout the 90s. Fuel was the companies problem, not mine.
Plenty of other downsides to that life though.
Hats off to those who do it. Those guys know how to work unlike this current crop of people who would rather default on their student loans than inconvenience themselves with a job.
What do you make of driverless trucks? Will it happen, and if so, when?
I think they have a place but wont replace all drivers. In particular, straight line travel along interstates in some areas. Dont think city driving or getting in and out of docks will ever be feasible.
Initially, I can see the self-driving stuff reducing the workload on interstate's etc, leaving the driver to rest and just deal with the urban stops etc.
so, where's you might double crew a truck to keep it running without breaking driving hours rules, the truck could reduce this down to single driver with the tuck dealing with the long monotonous parts of the journey.
Long term, they may well drive from depot to depot on their own, with a driver at the depots kist to shunt them about.
That last line was what I was going to add - if they can drive the 498 miles of a 500 mile journey, that's plenty. Just need to be able to park -- maybe even drop the trailer and then self-drive back. Then a driver can drive back and forth to the location, pick up the trailer and do the rest of the job.
The trickier part will be picking up from warehouses/businesses/strip malls/etc themselves, some of those docks and roads are a really tight fit and require driver knowledge of the area.
We're going to see a lot of 2+496+2 driving going on but it's going to take a decade just to cycle through all the old trucks, not including the time to put the driverless infrastructure, laws and ordinances into place.
yup, none of this is going to happen tomorrow...
just on the numbers, it will take 8-10 years to rotate the new trucks out assuming every one sold was an EV, and clearly that's not going to happen.
Also, take into consideration that it takes 1000+ gallons of diesel to charge the battery for the truck to go 500 miles. No trucking company is going to buy these piles of shit.
They will be forced to
Everyone will starve then, so it's a win win (on ,win(
It’s a forced participation Ponzi scheme
Companies have done the analysis. Tesla's gross margin per vehicle is over 30% and cash to conversion cycle was -15 days while other manufacturers range from 30-74 days. Tesla has the ability to fill the Tesla Semi batteries and chassis orders that are lined up. 500+ vehicles reserved by major companies. https://topelectricsuv.com/news/tesla/tesla-semi-all-we-know-feb-2022/#Large_order_book
Actually they will because at scale they have much lower maintenance and fueling costs. Despite the haters that's actually true.
Have you seen the EVs basically totaling out once the battery breaks? It’s astronomically more expensive to do maintenance on EVs.
Not to mention when that fuckers huge battery is dead, it'll take a fucking week to recharge it.
x how many trucks to force everyone to live in the dark to sustain hauling?
I don’t know what the hell you haul that allows you to have 500 gallons of diesel onboard but it’s nothing close to 44k lol my Kenworth has two 125 gallon tanks and I can get close to 1200 mi myself but I can only drive about 550 miles a day assuming that I am doing loading and unloading at some point in the day.
And that was 500 miles a day at 81,000 pounds gross. It is a good proof of concept. I really don’t think it’s practical to replace diesel motors with these things mostly due to the cost of new batteries and all of the nasty stuff you’re going to have to do with the batteries once you retire them . Not to mention people are complaining about how badly out of control a car fire can be if it’s an electric vehicle let alone a 20,000 pound tractor. God help you if you have anything flammable inside the trailer.
your right about that, but the miles are the same, your getting about 5 miles to a gallon, and if your not in a team 500 miles is all your legally aloud to drive, But that is rough numbers, but could you imagine coming down the Appalachian Mountains and loosing power, I think that's why they want self driving vehicles, what a terror ride that would be driving a car and having these trucks on the road everywhere
Nope, I run a truck shop and the biggest tanks are 200 gallons a piece, but are rare due to weight issues. Normal standard tanks are 150-100 gallons a piece.
So at best 300*6.5=1950
Battery weight issues are much larger.
agree, I didn't drive them the 250 they were talking about must have been for both tanks, my brother and cousins did the company But they told me the millage and everyone that has commented on that has said 4-8 miles a gallon max, do your agree?
CROSS COUNTRY TRUCKERS AREN'T THE MARKET
Literally stfu, moron
What kind of infrastructure will a truck stop need to charge 100’s of electric semis?
Mind boggling. And it's at minimum a 2 year wait for a power transformer right now. Every single charge place will need an upgraded one.
They are already installed at PepsiCo distribution centers that are receiving their first Tesla Semis this week.
mega-chargers...
https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/tesla-semi-mobile-megacharger-giga-nevada-photos-3-scaled.jpg
Yeah exactly the average between fill ups is like 1800 miles after accounting for idle time and what not. These battery operated trucks would be a nightmare to the industry. I could see them possibly being utilized for local deliveries but again, there is no infrastructure in the power grid to support it. Plus, the cost of battery replacement would be astronomical and how much of the earth will be destroyed to mine for the rare earth minerals needed for the batteries?
500 miles with 81,000 lb load is remarkable for the first ever mass produced electric semi truck. All the doomers think about is interstate trucking, and can't think critically enough to understand intrastate trucking. This 1st generation semi truck is perfect for intrastate travel. You can't legitimately expect the 1st generation of a new industry to completely replace the existing industry. Give it a few more generations before electric semis start to supplant ICE interstate trucking.
Who said it was carrying a load? they just said it would go 500 miles, this is like the Ford electric truck they said would go 350 miles and pull a load of 15,000 pounds, this was a word play, with a load on that truck it got 120 miles, not 350, but it did pull it, but that is only 60 miles round trip, pretty shitty
The Tesla demo run was fully loaded - unedited video of the 500 mile run is online. PepsiCo took the first deliveries of their Tesla Semis this week.
Ford EV pickup is a joke. It shows how far behind others are behind Tesla.
Please look into something a little bit, before criticizing it.
Transport companies will want these travelling 24 hours a day with multiple drivers. So rapid recharging 4 times a day means batteries will last about 3 years. Remember cold weather and rapid charging kills the batteries .I would bet the semi and trailer will cost over $1000000 and be replaced every 3 /4 years . It will be end of small family owner operator.
Road side stops will need 10's of megawatts of capacity for the 100 semis needing recharging.
Where is power coming from?
We are already short of power plus dickhead Biden wants 500,000 ev charging stations .
It's all talk cant be done.
500,000 charging stations will cost trillions
Is that with the heater on or off?
Yes,
each truck stop would need a new $30,000,000 elecTRICK substation, plus $$$ for new high voltage elecTRICK lines, new right of ways, etc.
EDIT: Ha, Got downvoted by someone who wants to cover up the true costs of implementing this totalitarian wet dream of controling all trucking.
So with the grid obviously quite prone to potential sabotage, (ex. grid down next to Ft. Bragg) would you want all of your food and other essential supplies tied this undependable system of energy distribution?
I wouldn't.
EDIT: Ha, Got downvoted by either one of Elon's media goons or a Gov't shill who really does want to control everything.
Did Nikola ever get their hydrogen fuel cell to work?
Supposedly their semi goes into production in 2023.
nope, they are selling EV's at the mo, and yes, they are shite.
Boy, can't wait to see the 1st wreck turn into a massive fire that shuts down the entire highway for a day.
If not them then Iranian terrorists or the WEF.
Anything to shut down our economy.
You misspelled “week”
And in 5 years after you’ve replaced 100k in batteries, it’ll be just like new again!
Pay attention to the recharge time also. Refueling takes far less time than recharging. Even with the DOT clock BS, the total transport time would be longer.
They are not electric vehicles. They are battery powered vehicles. Electric vehicles are like trolleys or buses that connect overhead to an electric wire for power. These batteries are more damaging to the environment than anything that drilling does. Battery powered vehicles are shit.
Not only that, but you fill up in about 20 minutes? How long does a charge take?
Mileage aside, imagine how heavy that truck would be without a load. For 500 miles it would have many batteries.
Solid math, I assumed they just got the mileage comparable by hauling a diesel generator.
Is that with a load? Trailer?
Companies with fleet ops will look at the economics before making purchases. There is a reason a large number of short haul companies have lined up for purchases. The Tesla semi has proven the load question. Companies with short haul ops will already have v4 chargers installed at their delivery centers when their Tesla semis get delivered.
Also, with the huge backlog (now 3-6 months)/cost increases on basic diesel truck parts, the maintenance cost differentials will also come into play.
So if it’s comparable to the electric pickup truck realities vs expectations the electric semi will get 150 or so miles before it needs a charge.
500 likely without a trailer... Also the power it needs to charge up is enough to power a small city lol
The total miles you can drive is irrelevant, since truckers are more concerned with time than mileage, because they’re required to take a 30 minute break at eight hours of driving, and have a 14 hour hard driving limit, with conditions.
Let’s see, 55mph x 8 hours is 440 miles. Their truck can do 500, and you can recharge during the half-hour downtime to carry you to the 14 hour limit, and a full overnight recharge.
Sounds like a workable solution to me.
shit, you can do 14 hours a day in the US?
we are limited to 8, or 9 twice a week max (we then have weekly/monthly limits too).
we are also stuck with 56mph limiters!
sorry were do you come up with 55mph? is this an average speed? I've never seen a cross country driver doing under 65mph, the reason most of them even stop in most states is to get fuel to cover their tax stamp in that state
This is fine. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-14/tesla-s-electric-semis-are-coming-and-trucks-stops-aren-t-ready
Nobody should EVER be against electric vehicles. They do have a very specific purpose which is irrefutable. The issue comes when greeny-weenies attempt to assign magical properties to them.
Electric cars outsource pollution. This is a great thing for cities. In addition, all of the pollution coming from single point sources makes it easier to manage the hazardous aspects. I will never be against trucking companies using electric trucks to move inventory from distribution centers outside of the city into it. It's a logical move. I will ALWAYS be against mandates which eliminate ICE vehicle production by X date, that's not logical and is a prime example of cronies pocketing stacks of cash to eliminate competition.
Yep
😂 mu truck gets at least 850
Not to mention you can refill a semi in under ten minutes.
How long is the recharge on one of these ELectric Trucks
~30 mins...
It only takes 36 hours to recharge.
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