76 Passenger trains in the United States vs Europe. (Because we don't like being hauled around like cattle) (media.patriots.win) posted 164 days ago by GenericInsult 164 days ago by GenericInsult +78 / -2 59 comments download share 59 comments share download save hide report block hide replies
Cities in the US are too spaced out for a European style train system to be profitable.
Also Europe doesnt have a black people problem [they do now] who ruin anything that is public/cheap.
Also US train tickets cost about the same as airline tickets but the travel time is 10x as long. Also Europe has an alternate to their train system, Ryan Air, an extremely shitty airline but you dont care because tickets are $100, or they used to be.
I spent two weeks in Europe a few years ago and the only people I saw causing trouble were one guy hassling a janitor in Berlin and one guy littering in Amsterdam. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to guess what they had in common.
Also, the public transit in Japan and Korea is immaculate, actually pleasant to use. I wonder why?
i wonder too. who nose?
Sweden has profitable high speed rail with just 1/4 the population of Texas on the same amount of land. It's not about space, in fact trains are great for long distance travel if there's a lot of passengers.
On a regular day there's 20 departures between Stockholm (1.7M) and Göteborg (600K), that's one train per hour. SJ X2000 and X3000 with 4 cars on each set, a tilting train which reach 150mph on regular curvy tracks. In addition to that there's a highway connection. 2 lanes in each direction, speed limit 75mph, but most ignore that.
It's profitable because enough people use it, and people use it because it's faster than driving. That's the problem in the US. Look into Huston, Texas for instance. How many of the citizens there can easily get to the train station by foot, metro or bus? If you have to drive to the train station, then it makes no sense to take the train.
Meanwhile, in Stockholm and Göteborg you have metro, trolleys, buses, bike paths and many other ways to get to the train station, and you'll go from city center to city center. The station is close to everything and land value nearby is very high. These cities also have mixed use zoning, not just offices, or commercial, or residential.
If you're not afraid of them crying muh reysism, it's not hard for the bus or a train to stop in the middle of nowhere to kick them off. After a long walk they'll learn to behave, at least for a while.
This means flying should be a viable option. Gonna have to bring up Sweden again. Stockholm to Malmö takes 6 hours to drive, train takes 4 hours but flying is only 1 hour. 2 if you count the time to get from the airport to the city center. Most people will choose whatever mode of transportation is fastest and most convenient, it's that simple. In the US, fastest way to get around seems to be the car.
lol, the city so taken over by economic beggar migrants that its a no-go city?
as u/gillonba already pointed out, Japan and Korea have great public transit because of "reasons", and while Sweden may be the rape capital of Europe now, it wasnt that way when the rail system was built.
Economic beggars would be the gypsies, those used to be in Romania until EU opened up all internal borders even for Romania. Now they're allover the continent, outside grocery stores begging for money.
It's true that Malmö with it's 300k population has the largest Muslim population in Sweden with a few thousand of them. Most immigrants in in Malmö are Danes tho with Copenhagen just next door, then there's Asians, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans. It's about as multicultural as any American city, but with too few cops to handle it.
Tim Pool may have crapped his pants during his visit, but that's because he's a fence sitter who trust the government too much. In Muslim culture you're not allowed to film or take photos of people, and women needs to cover their hair. So of course they're gonna be mad if you come to "their" ghetto and disrespect Islam.
The cops won't be able to protect you. It's just the way it is, stay out of the ghettos and you'll have nothing to worry about. It's a "violence monopoly", whoever controls that controls the neighborhood. Other parts of the city are controlled by other gangs like the resistance movement (vikings), Christian motorcycle gangs (white Christians obviously) or unclaimed.
The city is unsafe compared to the rest of Sweden, but then you gotta remember that Sweden is also one of the safest countries in the world.
"Reasons" is one big part of course, then it's gotta be profitable too. That's the point I'm making. It's possible even in low populated countries with long distances between populated areas.
By the feminist definition, which defines a slap on her butt as "rape" or more recently regret sex, which is when you have voluntary sex and then she change her mind and sue you for "lack of consent". Goes as rape too. It's a weird definition. The real problem is what the Sozis ironically refer to as "surprise sex", or more accurately "surprise rape".
When a women gets dragged into a dark alley and gang banged, or raped by one goatfucker. That's what most of the world define as rape. And it happens about 10 times per year, in the entire nation, mostly around the ghettos of Malmö, which is still a low number compared to other countries. The feminists want you to believe there's 50 000 such rapes every year.
By their logic 1/3 child births would be a bastard mix race baboon, this would be easily noticeable in schools and daycare centers. But for some reason all you see in school are normal kids who are either white, blonde blue eyed or some strict foreign race where you see immediately from where the kid are.
The only mix race is white plus east Asian, often a Swedish man who gets a Koran, Japanese or Chinese wife because they're more traditional and Christian nowadays which is what real men want. Most families are still native tho.
Then again, speaking of the feminist definition, if it was true and every single one of those mulatt baby's where aborted as part of a coverup. There would also have to be one abortion clinic for every 3 birth clinics at the hospitals. Which is also not the case. There's very few abortion clinics in Sweden, and very few abortions in general, like most of Europe the abortion laws are relatively strict and has always been.
Sozis made it 18 weeks, the new Conservative, Nationalist and Christian government plans to reduce it to 12 weeks, like the rest of Europe, and only with special permissions such as the baby being too sick or stuff like that.
holy shit not reading all of that!
Justify cucked Sweedistan all you want its still not a great place to live anymore. It was, but not anymore.
They say Americans are fat, lazy and stupid. You're a perfect example of that stereotype. A true disgrace for the MAGA movement.
i dont care to read what some Swedish cuck has to say about his country's past glory. For some reason that makes me fat, lazy, stupid and anti MAGA. LOL
PS: How many guys were in the muslim gang that "enriched" your girlfriend, 5, 6?
You didn't bother to read, that makes you lazy
You failed to make a proper counter argument, that makes you stupid
You're probably fat because America is for a fact the world's fattest country
There was no mention of the past glory of Sweden, no glorification of it's current state. Just a description of reality and current politics. Which of course you wouldn't know because you're too fat, lazy and stupid to read a post with information you specifically asked for.
You're probably too fat, lazy and stupid to read this comment too. And that too makes you a disgrace for MAGA. The movement needs healthy, fit and smart people to fight the ongoing threat of communism take your fat scooter and roll out of here fatty.
Tl:dr: you're fat lazy and stupid, to find out more read the whole post fatso.
Tl;dr I'm criticizing leftist policy, abortions and promotes Christianity. You really are lazy.
where did all these globohomo euro-trash users come from?!?
I can't even imagine not driving myself around and having to rely on public transit.
Indeed. We don't call it the Land of the free for nothing.
Because you've only ever experienced shitty public transit. I've spent a few years in a isolated city of 50k population. 20 miles from one side to the other, so relatively big land use. Didn't own a car back then, wasn't much of a problem to survive.
No matter what neighborhood you lived in there would be a local downtown with a grocery store, post office and liquor store, all you need within walking distance basically.
Walk/bike paths along the river with lot's of trees and far away from traffic, it was pleasant to walk during nice weather, safe to bicycle if you wanted to get from A to B fast. In fact faster than driving in most cases, even tho the city had a highway straight through with barely any traffic, easily accessible.
Buses came every 10 minutes, modern fancy buses with leather seats, tv, high backs for privacy, reasonable led lightning so you could see outside even during darkness and very cheap. Like 50 cent, gasoline for driving would go for $2.
Eventually I bought a car tho and driving was great too thanks to the low amount of traffic. There was no reliance in that city, more than the fact that cities are cities, if supplies are cut off it's pretty bad no matter what neighborhood you're in.
In the US you can choose. Our roads allow both public and private transit. Want to take the train? Take the bus.
Too many poors on the bus? Yeah. That's what the train looks like in Chicago, Detroit, and NYC.
In Europe you have have way more choices, and most of them doesn't suck. Public transit is clean, fast and cheap, takes you where you want to go and many departures allover the day, even at late evenings and nights.
Meanwhile, roads are well maintained with no potholes, traffic is very low so you'll never get stuck in traffic while driving. Rush hour is always less than an hour and traffic moves at all time. Roundabouts is great for the flow as you rarely has to come to a complete stop, traffic lights and stop lights are rare.
Highways has much higher speed limits with barely any cops enforcing them. People secure their load and know how to stay in their lane. No road rage or other fuckery, everyone just want to get to their destination fast and cooperate to get there, no time for bullshit.
Bicycle paths are always separated road networks, often with underpasses or dividers. So you won't get bothered by hundreds of bicyclists on the roads, or bicycle lanes taking up a lot of space which nobody uses. In fact, for the most part you won't even see them until you enter your neighborhood street. They're banned on the roads.
The bicycle options are pretty smart honestly. I know the city admin/downtown of the nearest city is retarded because of all the bicycle lanes no one uses. But Americans need more exercise, bicycle paths separate from roads would be good.
Roundabouts are... fine in some situations. Then in America the government will fund pointless construction projects that no one asked for and don't need to exist. So you'll get the roundabout pox, where they only happen where it's not helpful.
The thing about potholes is that if you have them, your local gov is probably corrupt.
There's a good channel on YouTube, NotJustBikes. Canadian guy who lived allover the world but later moved to Amsterdam, he talks about bicycles, public transit, city planning and all that stuff from the perspective of an American learning what it's like in other countries.
Ironically, while his target audience is Americans obviously, it's mostly Dutch people watching his channel. He has some good points about why people in America don't bicycle, and in most cases the blame is on infrastructure and bad city planning rather than people being lazy.
There's plenty of video footage from the bicycle paths of Amsterdam, and I can honestly say that if I lived there I'd definitely use a bicycle more often too. In America I'd probably drive tho. It's all based on infrastructure.
Sadly a phenomena allover the west, construction projects are full of corruption and in many cases bad planning. But in some cases it's also misunderstood. I remember when we got the first two lane roundabout, everyone hated it because people where used to the one lane ones.
Sure they where still safe because any collision would only be two cars scratching each others side and never a full speed T-bone like in regular intersections where someone miss a light or a stop sign. But without proper use of the multiple lanes they served no purpose over the single lane ones.
Now ten years later when people know how to use them, they're brilliant. 2 lanes, all dedicated turning lanes. This outright doubles the capacity as two cars going in different directions enters simultaneously and never have to interfere with each others.
It's not the perfect solution for situations where there's a lot of traffic tho. They're good for replacing a 4 ya stop, or a bunch of intersecting roads with 1-2 lanes in each direction with medium traffic.
Corrupt or poor, here we have very nice and well maintained highways, national roads and stuff like that. However, once leaving the road in a city it's the municipality and not the national government that pays for the city's roads and streets, and they can't afford the maintenance cost, and in some cases, corruption too.
That said, I've never seen a city street with as many potholes as poor neighborhoods in America, and that even tho there's frost every winter with water sipping through even the smallest cracks, then freeze, which creates massive potholes if not repaired within the summer same year.
I think it's just a matter of practicality.
Too much empty space between destinations. That's a lot of track to lay! We already laid a shitload for freight.
Europe is fake and gay.
They are currently willing vassals to the United States and they treat us like former oppressors.
If they were real countries, they would have real roads, not rail roads.
The US has a very intricate bus system, and it is nice because it runs on the same "tracks" as all other passenger and freight traffic, but it typically doesn't get held up by freight trains.
Join the 20th century, Europe. The passenger cars have their own engines now. And they are cheap enough that you can afford them if the government didn't take all of your money to pay for 19th century transportation technology.
You haven't heard of the autobahn?
I have, and it covers an area the size of Wisconsin. Cool bro. You have 30 mil people who have access to effective freeways.
Highways with autobahn quality exist allover Europe and is available to everyone. That's 500 million people. Even rural Lappland have better maintained roads and highways than most of America. Here's an example of a bad poorly maintained E-road. You can easily do 75mph there. Most people do 110mph because that's the top speed of older Volvo's.
It's easy to pay to have well maintained roads when you don't pay for your own regional military protection.
But nonetheless, roads don't help if you don't own a car. Europeans are generally too poor to own their own cars.
I'm not here to compare the bumpiness of the bus ride to work.
Who paid for that road you think? I got the actual documents so let's see how retarded you are. And there are no buses on this road. You wanna go somewhere you have to drive. Bicycles and walking is illegal.
Yea, and Sweden pays for all of the US infrastructure hurr durr. Not oh, let me see, the US tax payers. That's how you sound. Fucking retard. Sweden has done more for the US than the US has ever done for Sweden.
That retard doesn't understand sarcasm. 🤡
Which Swedish products or services do I as an American use? Your Socialism infects the brains of the kids who go to college only to come out working at rates less than the trademen who didn't become socialists.
Oh, and you should be thanking our veterans. They are the only reason Sweden has any trade with China or the Americas.
Europe sucks America's dick when their citizens aren't looking. Why do your politicians whine so much about NATO when the majority of Americans are ready to pull out of NATO? You lie if you don't admit that Sweden would be a Soviet or Russian territory if not for the US. Sweden isn't even a member state of NATO, but all of a sudden they are acting like they are when Russia gets feisty.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you would be a poor third world country if you didn't have America's military policing Europe for you. Actually, you would be a second-world country, by definition. Go be communists, if you wanna be communists. But at least stop claiming anyone owes your country shit. That only works on white supremacists. Europeanism is dead. You are countries on life support.
Obviously a well thought out comment. However; ain't there transportation that makes them fake and gay predominantly. Just sayin'.
Fracne has their TGV high spped train and I'm a fan. If you buy ahead of time you can get a seat cheap - it's almost as fast as an airplane - and you don't have to go through the damn TSA pat down your crotch by some guy you never want to meet in your life.
You stand on the platform breathing normal air (and no screaming kids, loud announcements, etc.) and then 1 minute before departure the guy blows the whistle and you jump on the train.
MUCH more pleasant than US air travel for any airplane trip 2 or less hours.
"Be progressive" say the morons using 2000 year old tech!
There are a ton more train lines. This is not an accurate representation.
there are like 5 passenger train lines in NJ. This is only showing the Amtrak Lines.
Commercial yes... that is "Passenger trains".
there is so many eurotrash users in this thread and its pathetic.
no one cares about you euro-trash countries. why are you on this site?
Nope, but I bet you have been the recipient of a train.
If you were an inanimate object, you’d be a participation trophy.
Sorry, the best I can do is; Go Fuck Yourself.
If you've been there, you will understand that this map is wrong, and europe is even closer together than pictured, making it even more optimized for trains and the difference even starker.
Europe is 1.04 the size of the US with a population only twice as big. Most of it concentrated down on the continent. The Nordics makes up much of the space of rural western US, and even they have high speed trains.
It has nothing to do with size, only profitability. If only poor people use public transit, of course it's gonna be shitty.