If Russia destroys the tanks with missiles, which they might have to, will the Deep State installed regime in D.C. declare this as an act of war? An act of war against the U.S. and/or U.S. interests?
Might just wait until the tanks run out of fuel. I hear they're awful on fuel, because they're so large. Other than that, is it snowy now in east Ukraine? Can the tanks go up the snowy hills? I see plenty of people posting Abrhams tanks skidding backward down snowy hills, because of said weight.
I'm no tank expert, so please, someone school me if I'm wrong.
Will the tanks actually arrive in the Ukraine? Or do they end up in a desert country?
Antagonizing Putin as much as they can. They need this war to get real asap. The virus failed. Catastrophically crashing the economy failed. They want to resort to a good old fashion trusted and tried World War to usher in their new order.
NOPE! THAT'S RIGHT, BUT JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER FAILED BULLSHIT THESE LOSER DEMONS HAVE TRIED....IT WON'T WORK! I CAN FORESEE THE PROPOGANDA PROSTITUTES ALREADY HAVE THEIR "STORY" READY TO SUPPORT THE NARRATIVE AND JUST LIKE JANUARY 6 THEY WILL NOT UPDATE IT TO REALITY AND JUST LIKE JANUARY 6 MOST WILL SEE RIGHT THROUGH THE RIDICULOUS STUPIDITY THAT IS THE NAZI PLOT TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD PINKY AND THE BRAIN STYLE!! FUCK THESE DEMONS, KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY, HEAD ON A SWIVEL, AND ONLY WHEN WE SEE THE WHITES OF THEIR SOULLESS EYES WILL WE MOVE TOGETHER TO DESTROY THESE KIDFUCKING DEMON FUCKTARDS ONCE AND FOR ALL!! WELCOME TO THE REVOLUTION AND THE LAST HILL, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
They need a bloody war to cover up the pending flood of mass vax deaths. Which means they need the US to be directly engaged on its own soil. The only way to do that is to provoke an invasion or a nuclear war.
A military land war on home soil is an impossibility. The American people are armed to the teeth. This would have to be war by remote. Imagine foriegn infantry attempting to land on either coast and march inland...it would be a turkey shoot.
Dude, there's more of us on the West Coast than you think. Just because it's mail in voting only and the elections are fucking rigged (causing our states to be blue) doesn't mean there aren't millions of us over here armed to teeth.
That's just not how war works. All the worst politics of the most radical leftists in Berkeley don't mean diddly-squat for strategic coastal defense considerations.
It's not an impossibility. There are quite a few ways the US could be invaded effectively. And with war on the horizon, Democrats would use that as a means to confiscate weapons, with the excuse that they need the metals or that wars should only be fought by military personnel, as if regular citizens will put other citizens lives in danger. Then you'll have an invasion on one end, with the military going full ham on regular gun owners.
Why do you think the ATF has been stealing gun owner information from shooting ranges and other places. They want to know who to come for first. And as gun owners are assaulted at their door steps by the military and fight back, they'll be deemed seditionists, which will only further embolden them to disarm gun owners by force and death. Then it will simply become shooting gun owners on sight that didn't comply and turn over the weapons after a deadline, a literal deadline. It's just par for the course in clown world for the government to disarm its populace with an active war / invasion.
Here's what I see. $100 billion given to a small country means no money for an army to fight here on US soil. $83 billion in top of the line military equipment left behind (given to) a foreign country who is making billions selling that equipment to our enemy leaves us without that technology for self defense here. Deadly jabs here that will kill off many people (even in other countries, our allies) or weaken us means too weak to defend ourselves. THIS is the war that's going on now for a full on take over later.
edit to add: Your comment about the guns is extremely correct. Some will have the will to fight but the odds will not be in our favor for a winning outcome. But, with God, anything is possible.
Heinz: Can you imagine us in London?
Rick: When you get there, ask me!
Renault: Hmmh! Diplomatist!
Strasser: How about New York?
Rick: Well, there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade.
Jesus, it’s all coming together. Civil War or WW3, something needs to happen within our border to ensure that the deep state survives. It’s us against them, unless they can make it us against the Russians first.
The benefit to us (pedes) would be that some type of war against Russia would force the leftards to climb back into their a-holes because nationalism would be used to increase recruiting, fund raising and rationing. Any anti-American slogans would be treated as pro-Russia and you know Antifa/BLM won't be able to stop themselves. After the US got involved in WWI, the US destroyed German culture - try finding German newspapers now they were common. It's like the CRT movement and 1619 would be removed and a number thrown into jail or they'd get Seth Rich'd.
Remember right after 9/11 how things went back to normal, but just before it the left was rearing its ugly pussy stating America bad this and that and how they shut the f up immediately after 9/11.
Until now the US has had a homogenius majority people and culture who were strong, independant and strong willed. And honorable.
The 9/11 era was the last time youll see that. Millenials were the last majority white generation this country will have. Wed be even worse off if they werent such a large generation as an echo of the boomers.
Millenials will be the last americans who saw the country and our people as we were for hundreds of years.
We no longer have the ability to band together because of massive chunk of our citizens has been trained to despise the native population of the country.
The things you describe would not happen in this era we would have people openly working for the enemy unsolicited.
They have COVID-23 and 24 ready and on the tarmac for distribution. They didn’t need to get the virus and “cure” right the first time just something to show that people will fall in line.
This is the Ockham's razor point. The simplest solution is usually the most correct, and here we are. WEF all meeting in Davos, they need shit to get real so they can act "mightily" and concentrate power.
Much more simpler than that, they will easily be destroyed by antitank weapons or artillery before ever reaching a tank battle. Thus the defense industry can roll out an “upgraded” version for their replacement which the DoD “critically” needs. Anybody who has ever served as heard the phrase “you can’t get new until you break the old”
They would need to deploy hundreds of tanks in a massive offensive to make any substantial difference and I doubt any of the brass want to risk the optics of losing an assault like that. Much more likelier they will be slow dripped in and western press will be shown selective footage of the great force multiplier they are as they slowly get picked off by the Russians
DC Wonks have been quoted many times in the last few months stating “We are at War”, or “America is at War”. But no one has bothered to tell the American Public?
They're just retarded, that's it. Russia can blow up those 31 abrams tanks in less than a week, especially if Ukraine uses them offensively. Also they won't actually arrive in theatre until like May. This is an attempt to strongarm Germany into supplying the more numerical and easier to supply Leopard 2's in bigger numbers.
I know it’s a meme but zelenksy decides absolutely nothing, it’s all a show for the propaganda news just like Biden is a puppet president with zero decision making authority,
Ukraine is literally being ran by the deepstate cabal and the military industrial complex as a very large money laundering operation
They are flex-fuel and can run on a lot of different types, but alternative fuels get substantially worse mileage and don’t do the turbine engine any favors. Yet another reason why they won’t last long in Uke service.
The snowy hill video was nonsense. That tank didn't have the treads that will be fitted when they actually go into battle. 73.6 tons and some steel cleats will find traction on anything. The fuel thing is correct though.
As a former artilleryman, I can tell you this is complete insanity.
It takes COMPETENT MEN to run these pieces of equipment effectively and efficiently. A crew of 7 guys can pull off fire missions one after another, with WW1 savagery and efficiency in the dead of night consecutively, without sleep - and I'm sure the tank crews in certain squadrons are equally ruthless in their training and personal knowledge of their equipment. This doesn't apply or translate well to conscripts and second rate soldiers speaking another language - with no personal connection or pride to the equipment.
All of these guns will be lost, quickly. This is STUPID liberal thinking - handing a grandpa and 12 year old a gun and sending them forth. Waves of useless bodies being sacrificed along with expensive equipment.
Most of the fighting Ukrainians are long dead. We're seeing mercenaries and covert Western leadership in the Ukraine right now. People like Crystia Freeland have their hands all over this - sending Generals and elite forces to train Idiots and women to fight in their stupid narrative. Yet they continue to lose and bankrupt themselves in the process. Well.. they bankrupt Us anyways..
Great comment, thank you. Seriously informative, from a patriot with first-hand experience.
I think it's wilful insanity. Disturbing echoes of the C.I.A.'s Bay of Pigs Operation. A planned failure so as to justify a full-blown U.S. military offensive.
The mass leadership firings in Ukraine says just one thing. After the Orders came down from the Billionaires in Davos, the CIA has taken over control of the War in Ukraine, just as they did in Vietnam.
That is THE GOAL of the Obamunists. Overwhelm the welfare system, and get us into a war, to bankrupt and destroy the American Middle Class, so they can bring us all into their new Communist Utopia.
This has been the dream of the University of Chicago set since the first days of AACORN, when it was still called The National Welfare Rights Organization.
The Ukrainians are force drafting 60 yr olds, women, and 16 yr olds now. Soon it will be 14-15 yr olds. We have seen this before in history, we know how it ends.
at gun point, it used to be a heated argument for involuntary conscription now the videos are 4 armed men bundling them into a van. The size of Ukraine….how could the be this desperate for manpower. Unless a few 100,000 men are dead and a few 100,000 out of action.
The days of the noble happy solider who will fight for glory against Russia they are all gone, now its mercs, conscripts as a wall of body’s to hold the line no matter the cost. Most may hate Russia but i can sense apathy for zelensky and the leaders. The poor are dying while the rich got out. To post on Twitter about Ukraine winning and how brave they are
They are being sold. That's the bottom line. I wonder who is invested in the MIC in congress, or congress has "supporters" who would prefer a $billion sale to feed a war, and feed their coffers.
Sick and tired of USA always needing to "help" other countries, especially when we have people struggling here. What do our leaders seem to care more about other places/people than our own citizens.
Speaking of money this is equivalent to another half billion of aid after all the costs of manufacturing, training, operations, shipping, etc is over with
It's extremely difficult to move even one Stacy Abrams. Let us all praise the United States Federal Government for this feat of modern engineering! Think of the logistics.
First, you must procure 31 Stacies.
Typically, you must seek out psychopathic geneticists willing to participate in human cloning.
After cloning the original Stacy "Fat Ass Bigger Than The Average American Couch" Abrams, you must do it 30 more times.
Next, you must find a way to transport even a single Stacy. Typically, this is achieved by convincing a bunch of NASA engineers to use the Crawler Transporter 1 (CT-1) that was used to transport the Saturn V rocket from the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB) to the launch pad.
The volume of one Stacy is approximately 1.1 times the volume of the VAB, so you need to implement an exercise program for FABTTAAC (Stacy Abrams) so she can sweat it to the oldies and drop 42 metric kilotons of water weight so she can fit inside the building for storage (average time between storage and transport of a typical Stacy is approximately 37 months).
Then, you must repeat this process 30 times.
After FABTTAAC-1 is transported to the launch pad, you need a rocket that is 11 trillion times more powerful than the Saturn V to place the FABTTAAC-1 into low-earth-orbit to be transported to Uuuuuuukraine (it is the only way).
Upon re-entry from LEO, FABTTAAC-1 (and all the others, eventually), will create an impact crater in Ukraine whose volume is larger than Lake Superior. This is detrimental to all the money launderers in Uuuuuuukraine, so the United States Federal Government transports the money launderers and installs them into the White House so they are safe from any and all FABTTAAC craters.
Assuming every one of these intricately detailed plans succeeds, generally you must be able to solve the "Diarrhea Problem." You see, every Stacy has diarrhea issues from eating too many Krispy Kreme donuts (they all get free donuts from the turbomaxxvaxxing they do). Each of the subsequently cloned Stacies has an increasingly severe and detrimental diarrhea disorder, literally raining havoc down upon every continent the FABTTAAC units pass over in their orbits.
Once the "Diarrhea Problem" is solved, you still must convince a backup unit of 30 Rosie "Trump Would Love To Sue Her And Take Money Out Of Her Fatass Pockets" O'Donnells to stand-by in case of catastrophic rocket collapse due to the overwhelmingly large mass of the FABTTAAC unit.
As you can see through my detailed analysis, what the United States Federal Government has achieved here is the pinnacle of modern engineering. A true marvel in the classic sense. An unbelievable beacon of hope for all those who wish to enter the field of engineering.
No, it's going to take maybe a year to train the crews needed to handle her. You don't just jump into a Stacy right away and start wrecking things. But, we've all seen the desctruction she can do. Once she gets going, LOOK OUT, Putin!
They'll be blown to bits the second they touch Ukraine soil. As the Russians stated, it doesn't matter what you call them, Leopards, Abrams, or Challenger, they all burn the same.
If we're not sending them an abrams with any of the good stuff, its no better than their current soviet tanks and they'll quickly be destroyed by the Russians. Russia and China will get valuable battle information on American tanks, Ukraine will gain nothing, and the US will be several hundred million dollars poorer. Sounds like your typical Biden America Last policy.
The experience they are getting is just the "basics" of organizing and deploying troops and logistics. Same thing the US has developed in the Middle East the last 20 years.
The actual warfighting against Ukraine doesn't mean much because 1) Ukraine has almost no ability to attack beyond the front lines and 2) Ukraine has no navy and no real air force to speak of. A fight with the US would look very different.
The biggest risk is to start giving Ukraine modern US weapons to the point that Russia is actually building some meaningful experience fighting against a US-like force.
That's just not true. Its not true because there are things the US doesn't even know. There's been very little real testing of how an Abrams fares against modern Russian weaponry.
One of the biggest strategic advantages the US has is that it rolls out new equipment about every decade or so and we haven't fought a peer conflict in a long time so our peer enemies have not much info on the exact capabilities and weaknesses of our newer shit. That means they have to plan for the worst. Once you put it in the field it becomes a lot easier to size us up accurately and to make accurate judgments on whether to risk war with us or not.
Smells like desperation. I feel glad that Russia is winning this hard against Globohomo sending everything they can. They're in crisis mode and all of their best men are already dead. Russia is playing the long game. Pulling back from Kyiv in the early days seemed odd - but in retrospect it was pretty genius.
Let the world and Ukraine set up a puppet hero in a bunker, surrounded by corruption and let it play out.
Now the West is sending their best equipment off to be WASTED in another land - just like Afghanistan. These same weapons systems would be used against civilians here if they weren't blown up or sitting in another nations' asset bank.
The only thing that pisses me off is when WE as taxpayers buy billions of dollars worth of equipment, only to send it over to some people who hate me. It's so wrong but the agencies responsible for protecting my interests are actively trying to fuck me as well so they're not going to do anything about it. It's all quite insane.
The USA has effectively put their full support behind Europe providing tanks to Ukraine. This way, if Russia retaliates, the USA is in on it. Germany for example said they weren't going to send tanks to Ukraine but after the USA announced they would be, the Germans also announced they are.
It slowly pushes the line out over what constitutes being at war with Russia and not. It's testing Russia's response.
So 31 of these tanks will require hundreds of trained technicians as advisors.. Having them in country where they could become casualties is not a very good idea.. Moving the tanks back and forth across allegedly neutral countries borders is also a shit storm of involvement.. This all is building rapidly out of control by upping the weapon technology and foreign involvement.. When Russia gets their hands on one of these it will make us weaker..
An accidental death of people in a war zone doesn't count.
I'm sick of this government playing these stupid and deadly games.
When Biden pulled out of Afghanistan we droned a civilian aid worker and his entire family, knowingly and swept it under a rug. A few dozen of our soldiers dying while working tanks in a foreign theater we aren't even congressionally approved to fight in just isn't going to make America thristy for a war.
I just don't see it happening unless some massive false flag event is used - even then too many of us are entirely skeptical of it. It's not like they have hippies fighting against war, now they have conservatives who are no longer drinking the coolaid to contend with.
They might still be able to pull it off - but who does WW3 really benefit, especially in a scenario where it can quickly get out of hand and one little Ivan can burn the entire east coast in a second.
Yeah, they'll draft 30 year old millenials, brilliant strategy. And it sure seems like they've forgotten how to, have you already forgotten how Afghanistan ended after decades of vastly superior technology, training, and logistics?
The failures in Afghanistan were a combination of military/political leadership, rules of engagement due to combatants mingled with civilians; a determined enemy using guerilla tactics, which are hard to counter with a standing army. I'm not scared that the Army and Marines can't turn out capable warfighters, because I know they will. You should be scared about what happens if this conflict escalates and NATO backs Russia into a corner, because that's what will happen and exactly what our insane "leaders" are trying to do.
The next wunderwaffe. It was the HIMARS before this, and the m777s before that.
The Russians will just destroy them like they did Ukraine's 2K armor when the war started.
Oh by the way, there's videos of regular Iraqis destroying them with shoulder fired weapons.
Ukraine is winning that's why they have to rebuild their military. They have 200K combat troops left as of Dec 2022. They are now forcing and beating up people on the streets to get them to be canon fodder.
What a sad country. They're killing their young men for what?
zelenksy decides absolutely nothing, it’s all a show for the propaganda news just like Biden is a puppet president with zero decision making authority,
Ukraine is literally being ran by the deepstate cabal and the military industrial complex as a very large money laundering operation
Mercenaries are typically of the infantry type - getting a full tank crew and the maintenance/tech guys that are necessary for a tank is a completely different proposition.
funny 31 tanks to defend other countries border .... some say we're testing out weapons on russia so we can see how effective it is for CCP china when we kick start off world war 3 ... i hope mr. biden and his family are safe when that nuke vaporize half if not all of America ... cause i be laughing when it hits d.c. upon these Fking traitors in congress rino/dem
testing weapons
If we were sending our best and latest, sure - but these are gonna be several generations old without the composite armor and likely not the most updated optics/etc. not sure what this does except get some distraction points up on the board
31 tanks? LMAO, corruption more like it. Now we get to send Ukraine additional funding to train the crew, supply the supply lines and fund this shit in perpetuity going forward until who knows when.
Someone's gonna make a ton of money on these desert tanks, at least Russia tech works in the snow...it's not the most advanced but at least it works.
I don't understand the strategy of telling the whole world we are sending XYZ to Ukraine or doing anything there......whatever happened to the element of surprise?
If we were interested in actually help push Russia out we could.
This is just another car on the gravy train. The next one is "oops we didn't send ammo, fuel, parts, and technicians. Oh and they're still painted Sandbox Tan. Everyone cool with another 10 billion?"
They at least get their dead back. The Ukrainian relatives have to go look for their own dead. One wife found her husband by the side of the road in Kharkov who presumably died in the fall.
The count of KIA is around 1 Russian for 8 - 10 Ukrainian.
The count of KIA is around 1 Russian for 8 - 10 Ukrainian.
How do you know? Do you have any means to verify these claims? Or you just believe in Russian propaganda? Videos from Bakhmut area show opposite picture, hundreds of frozen dead Russian bodies and no one bothers to retrieve them.
The sad part is the people we want obliterated like Obama gates Clinton’s soros fauci fink ect will be living large in their luxury doomsday bunkers while the peasants melt
But I mean that part of the world has swamps and a mud-season... M1 Abrams variants go from 60 - 70 tons... 50 ton vehicles generally perform better (there are more variables like track width, suspension, etc) in such environments. JSDF's Type 90 (domestically produced Leopard) is spec'd specifically at 50 metric tons (55 tons) because of the terrain and bridge requirements of defending a place with precarious terrain... as Japan is likely to have.
Not to mention Abrams uses a turbine engine... unless repair and logistics crews go with these tanks, they're going to be in the hull-down position and really expensive gun emplacements. Not that Ukraine is paying a dime...
Russia or BRICS nations should give Mexico (the cartels) some MBTs... see how people feel about that. Probably cry like a bunch of whiny bitches.
Make sure to paint some florescent glow in the dark targets on top...oh wait...first close down the steel mill that makes the armor plating and outsource armament production to a third world communist dictatorship.
Russians respond with Zircon missiles, annihilate the Swamp/DC, celebrations across America, and in every country that US has illegally bombed/invaded, heard all the way in Moscow. Winning!
I keep waiting on news headlines about someone trying to assassinate Biden. I wouldn't be surprised if someone already tried and they've just kept it under wraps. And not just Biden... Think about Tradeau and the absurdity he's responsible for that people up there just gobble up like it's their fucking vitamins, or any dictator over in Europe.
So what's the gameplay behind this?
If Russia destroys the tanks with missiles, which they might have to, will the Deep State installed regime in D.C. declare this as an act of war? An act of war against the U.S. and/or U.S. interests?
This is globohomo insanity.
Might just wait until the tanks run out of fuel. I hear they're awful on fuel, because they're so large. Other than that, is it snowy now in east Ukraine? Can the tanks go up the snowy hills? I see plenty of people posting Abrhams tanks skidding backward down snowy hills, because of said weight.
I'm no tank expert, so please, someone school me if I'm wrong.
Will the tanks actually arrive in the Ukraine? Or do they end up in a desert country?
Good questions.
None of this adds up.
What the fuck are they up to with this?
Antagonizing Putin as much as they can. They need this war to get real asap. The virus failed. Catastrophically crashing the economy failed. They want to resort to a good old fashion trusted and tried World War to usher in their new order.
I hope you're wrong, but it feels like you are right.
I hope so too.
I just hope God has mercy on us.
NOPE! THAT'S RIGHT, BUT JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER FAILED BULLSHIT THESE LOSER DEMONS HAVE TRIED....IT WON'T WORK! I CAN FORESEE THE PROPOGANDA PROSTITUTES ALREADY HAVE THEIR "STORY" READY TO SUPPORT THE NARRATIVE AND JUST LIKE JANUARY 6 THEY WILL NOT UPDATE IT TO REALITY AND JUST LIKE JANUARY 6 MOST WILL SEE RIGHT THROUGH THE RIDICULOUS STUPIDITY THAT IS THE NAZI PLOT TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD PINKY AND THE BRAIN STYLE!! FUCK THESE DEMONS, KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY, HEAD ON A SWIVEL, AND ONLY WHEN WE SEE THE WHITES OF THEIR SOULLESS EYES WILL WE MOVE TOGETHER TO DESTROY THESE KIDFUCKING DEMON FUCKTARDS ONCE AND FOR ALL!! WELCOME TO THE REVOLUTION AND THE LAST HILL, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
LET ME SEE YOUR WARFACE!
"AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"-SALTY JONES
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They need a bloody war to cover up the pending flood of mass vax deaths. Which means they need the US to be directly engaged on its own soil. The only way to do that is to provoke an invasion or a nuclear war.
A military land war on home soil is an impossibility. The American people are armed to the teeth. This would have to be war by remote. Imagine foriegn infantry attempting to land on either coast and march inland...it would be a turkey shoot.
Have you seen the coastline politics? The West Coast is toast and an instant foothold for any serious invader
Yeah I was gonna say..what are the residents going to do? Fight them off with dildos and THC gummies?
Dude, there's more of us on the West Coast than you think. Just because it's mail in voting only and the elections are fucking rigged (causing our states to be blue) doesn't mean there aren't millions of us over here armed to teeth.
That's just not how war works. All the worst politics of the most radical leftists in Berkeley don't mean diddly-squat for strategic coastal defense considerations.
The west coast will welcome them in.
More likely Russians would land on the beaches of Gulf Coast Red States and rendezvous with their Republican allies- then march on the Blue States.
I'm not fighting shit. The deep state can go fuck itself right in the pussy.
Same. If someone fucked with my family or my home I'd fight. But if they are here to fight our government. I'll most likely assist.
It's not an impossibility. There are quite a few ways the US could be invaded effectively. And with war on the horizon, Democrats would use that as a means to confiscate weapons, with the excuse that they need the metals or that wars should only be fought by military personnel, as if regular citizens will put other citizens lives in danger. Then you'll have an invasion on one end, with the military going full ham on regular gun owners.
Why do you think the ATF has been stealing gun owner information from shooting ranges and other places. They want to know who to come for first. And as gun owners are assaulted at their door steps by the military and fight back, they'll be deemed seditionists, which will only further embolden them to disarm gun owners by force and death. Then it will simply become shooting gun owners on sight that didn't comply and turn over the weapons after a deadline, a literal deadline. It's just par for the course in clown world for the government to disarm its populace with an active war / invasion.
Here's what I see. $100 billion given to a small country means no money for an army to fight here on US soil. $83 billion in top of the line military equipment left behind (given to) a foreign country who is making billions selling that equipment to our enemy leaves us without that technology for self defense here. Deadly jabs here that will kill off many people (even in other countries, our allies) or weaken us means too weak to defend ourselves. THIS is the war that's going on now for a full on take over later.
edit to add: Your comment about the guns is extremely correct. Some will have the will to fight but the odds will not be in our favor for a winning outcome. But, with God, anything is possible.
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The armed people won't even fight local corrupt officials. Think they're gonna shoot at Chinese?
Exactly, we're past the point of why the 2A was installed.
Yes I do. Belive in civilization and the rule of law is still holding people back. A foreign army in uniform is a clear unambiguous threat.
I guarantee you, if the PLA showed ip and behaved the way they’d likely behave, even people who think themselves complete pacifists would fight back.
I can think of a few places on the West Coast where they could land and likely have a warm welcome...
San Fran would welcome and protect them
Heinz: Can you imagine us in London? Rick: When you get there, ask me! Renault: Hmmh! Diplomatist! Strasser: How about New York? Rick: Well, there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade.
-Casablanca
Jesus, it’s all coming together. Civil War or WW3, something needs to happen within our border to ensure that the deep state survives. It’s us against them, unless they can make it us against the Russians first.
The benefit to us (pedes) would be that some type of war against Russia would force the leftards to climb back into their a-holes because nationalism would be used to increase recruiting, fund raising and rationing. Any anti-American slogans would be treated as pro-Russia and you know Antifa/BLM won't be able to stop themselves. After the US got involved in WWI, the US destroyed German culture - try finding German newspapers now they were common. It's like the CRT movement and 1619 would be removed and a number thrown into jail or they'd get Seth Rich'd.
Remember right after 9/11 how things went back to normal, but just before it the left was rearing its ugly pussy stating America bad this and that and how they shut the f up immediately after 9/11.
Until now the US has had a homogenius majority people and culture who were strong, independant and strong willed. And honorable.
The 9/11 era was the last time youll see that. Millenials were the last majority white generation this country will have. Wed be even worse off if they werent such a large generation as an echo of the boomers.
Millenials will be the last americans who saw the country and our people as we were for hundreds of years.
We no longer have the ability to band together because of massive chunk of our citizens has been trained to despise the native population of the country.
The things you describe would not happen in this era we would have people openly working for the enemy unsolicited.
They have COVID-23 and 24 ready and on the tarmac for distribution. They didn’t need to get the virus and “cure” right the first time just something to show that people will fall in line.
This is the Ockham's razor point. The simplest solution is usually the most correct, and here we are. WEF all meeting in Davos, they need shit to get real so they can act "mightily" and concentrate power.
Much more simpler than that, they will easily be destroyed by antitank weapons or artillery before ever reaching a tank battle. Thus the defense industry can roll out an “upgraded” version for their replacement which the DoD “critically” needs. Anybody who has ever served as heard the phrase “you can’t get new until you break the old”
They would need to deploy hundreds of tanks in a massive offensive to make any substantial difference and I doubt any of the brass want to risk the optics of losing an assault like that. Much more likelier they will be slow dripped in and western press will be shown selective footage of the great force multiplier they are as they slowly get picked off by the Russians
do world wars require the HoR's approval?
DC Wonks have been quoted many times in the last few months stating “We are at War”, or “America is at War”. But no one has bothered to tell the American Public?
It's not like they actually answer to us.
They're just retarded, that's it. Russia can blow up those 31 abrams tanks in less than a week, especially if Ukraine uses them offensively. Also they won't actually arrive in theatre until like May. This is an attempt to strongarm Germany into supplying the more numerical and easier to supply Leopard 2's in bigger numbers.
They said won't arrive for over a year
This is 100% correct.
The guy holding the Kompromat wants tanks.
The guy holding the Kompromat gets tanks.
I see you pay attention…
Kompromat was nakked Trump. Schiff said so.
I know it’s a meme but zelenksy decides absolutely nothing, it’s all a show for the propaganda news just like Biden is a puppet president with zero decision making authority,
Ukraine is literally being ran by the deepstate cabal and the military industrial complex as a very large money laundering operation
Tryna provoke Russia. Russia claims it is the US escalation of war. More nuke threats coming
This was just beautiful
They don't care about your opinion peasant, get back to worshipping globohomo and corrupt installed leaders
We're cattle to them, always have been. Cattle and cannon fodder.
Well, most people are.
'Most' is all these bastards need...
Abrams failed winter tests.
Exactly. This reeks of the Bay of Pigs. An operation designed to fail, in order to elicit a full-scale U.S. military invasion.
Madness.
Too heavy? Or was it the gap between the teef?
That's why she still lives in Georgia.
Fuel is not just any old fuel. It's jet fuel.
They are flex-fuel and can run on a lot of different types, but alternative fuels get substantially worse mileage and don’t do the turbine engine any favors. Yet another reason why they won’t last long in Uke service.
Jokes' are on you MAGA fuckers! These are electric tanks and this is the first test! MUHAHAHAHA!
The snowy hill video was nonsense. That tank didn't have the treads that will be fitted when they actually go into battle. 73.6 tons and some steel cleats will find traction on anything. The fuel thing is correct though.
Have you seen what a bog hole the place is? those tanks won't be leaving the road.
As a former artilleryman, I can tell you this is complete insanity.
It takes COMPETENT MEN to run these pieces of equipment effectively and efficiently. A crew of 7 guys can pull off fire missions one after another, with WW1 savagery and efficiency in the dead of night consecutively, without sleep - and I'm sure the tank crews in certain squadrons are equally ruthless in their training and personal knowledge of their equipment. This doesn't apply or translate well to conscripts and second rate soldiers speaking another language - with no personal connection or pride to the equipment.
All of these guns will be lost, quickly. This is STUPID liberal thinking - handing a grandpa and 12 year old a gun and sending them forth. Waves of useless bodies being sacrificed along with expensive equipment.
Most of the fighting Ukrainians are long dead. We're seeing mercenaries and covert Western leadership in the Ukraine right now. People like Crystia Freeland have their hands all over this - sending Generals and elite forces to train Idiots and women to fight in their stupid narrative. Yet they continue to lose and bankrupt themselves in the process. Well.. they bankrupt Us anyways..
Great comment, thank you. Seriously informative, from a patriot with first-hand experience.
I think it's wilful insanity. Disturbing echoes of the C.I.A.'s Bay of Pigs Operation. A planned failure so as to justify a full-blown U.S. military offensive.
The mass leadership firings in Ukraine says just one thing. After the Orders came down from the Billionaires in Davos, the CIA has taken over control of the War in Ukraine, just as they did in Vietnam.
When Globohomo says they fired someone, I see people jumping ship and resigning.
That is THE GOAL of the Obamunists. Overwhelm the welfare system, and get us into a war, to bankrupt and destroy the American Middle Class, so they can bring us all into their new Communist Utopia.
This has been the dream of the University of Chicago set since the first days of AACORN, when it was still called The National Welfare Rights Organization.
True. Paramilitary gangs are roaming the streets in Ukraine kidnapping people for the draft.
Bankrupt indeed. No matter who we vote for, we will always get John McCain.
The Ukrainians are force drafting 60 yr olds, women, and 16 yr olds now. Soon it will be 14-15 yr olds. We have seen this before in history, we know how it ends.
at gun point, it used to be a heated argument for involuntary conscription now the videos are 4 armed men bundling them into a van. The size of Ukraine….how could the be this desperate for manpower. Unless a few 100,000 men are dead and a few 100,000 out of action.
The days of the noble happy solider who will fight for glory against Russia they are all gone, now its mercs, conscripts as a wall of body’s to hold the line no matter the cost. Most may hate Russia but i can sense apathy for zelensky and the leaders. The poor are dying while the rich got out. To post on Twitter about Ukraine winning and how brave they are
death to America duh ... if our military was American we would had have mr. biden arrested and toss in prison already ... but we dont
No you are missing the point. They won't see action they are being sold to china and this is all a cover.
That's the likely outcome. Why fight with superior weapons when you can just cash in and sell them to our enemies?
They are being sold. That's the bottom line. I wonder who is invested in the MIC in congress, or congress has "supporters" who would prefer a $billion sale to feed a war, and feed their coffers.
Well the US taxpayer is giving them away for free.
If they're being sold to china who is keeping the money?
I think I just convinced myself you might be on to something...
Sick and tired of USA always needing to "help" other countries, especially when we have people struggling here. What do our leaders seem to care more about other places/people than our own citizens.
No money in it helping citizens
Speaking of money this is equivalent to another half billion of aid after all the costs of manufacturing, training, operations, shipping, etc is over with
Exactly. Only thing corrupt politicians care about is lining their own pockets.
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None of us want this. Fuck taxes, of course, but double fuck our tax money being spent this way. We are not represented.
I DO NOT CONSENT
I do worry though about his response to russia. He help the conflict along by increasing support to Ukraine.
He says it would have never happened….i hope he means peaceful resolution
The American people don’t have any leaders. Not in power anyway.
Stacy is finally gone? Where did the other 30 come from?
Underrated comment.
It's extremely difficult to move even one Stacy Abrams. Let us all praise the United States Federal Government for this feat of modern engineering! Think of the logistics.
First, you must procure 31 Stacies.
Typically, you must seek out psychopathic geneticists willing to participate in human cloning.
After cloning the original Stacy "Fat Ass Bigger Than The Average American Couch" Abrams, you must do it 30 more times.
Next, you must find a way to transport even a single Stacy. Typically, this is achieved by convincing a bunch of NASA engineers to use the Crawler Transporter 1 (CT-1) that was used to transport the Saturn V rocket from the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB) to the launch pad.
The volume of one Stacy is approximately 1.1 times the volume of the VAB, so you need to implement an exercise program for FABTTAAC (Stacy Abrams) so she can sweat it to the oldies and drop 42 metric kilotons of water weight so she can fit inside the building for storage (average time between storage and transport of a typical Stacy is approximately 37 months).
Then, you must repeat this process 30 times.
After FABTTAAC-1 is transported to the launch pad, you need a rocket that is 11 trillion times more powerful than the Saturn V to place the FABTTAAC-1 into low-earth-orbit to be transported to Uuuuuuukraine (it is the only way).
Upon re-entry from LEO, FABTTAAC-1 (and all the others, eventually), will create an impact crater in Ukraine whose volume is larger than Lake Superior. This is detrimental to all the money launderers in Uuuuuuukraine, so the United States Federal Government transports the money launderers and installs them into the White House so they are safe from any and all FABTTAAC craters.
Assuming every one of these intricately detailed plans succeeds, generally you must be able to solve the "Diarrhea Problem." You see, every Stacy has diarrhea issues from eating too many Krispy Kreme donuts (they all get free donuts from the turbomaxxvaxxing they do). Each of the subsequently cloned Stacies has an increasingly severe and detrimental diarrhea disorder, literally raining havoc down upon every continent the FABTTAAC units pass over in their orbits.
Once the "Diarrhea Problem" is solved, you still must convince a backup unit of 30 Rosie "Trump Would Love To Sue Her And Take Money Out Of Her Fatass Pockets" O'Donnells to stand-by in case of catastrophic rocket collapse due to the overwhelmingly large mass of the FABTTAAC unit.
As you can see through my detailed analysis, what the United States Federal Government has achieved here is the pinnacle of modern engineering. A true marvel in the classic sense. An unbelievable beacon of hope for all those who wish to enter the field of engineering.
Amazing.
We have the best autists.
Tank u
They spawn from the gap.
Goin' to send all the tanks through the Stacey gap.
No, it's going to take maybe a year to train the crews needed to handle her. You don't just jump into a Stacy right away and start wrecking things. But, we've all seen the desctruction she can do. Once she gets going, LOOK OUT, Putin!
I like the way you think. If they got scrapped in transit, it would be best case scenario.
They'll be blown to bits the second they touch Ukraine soil. As the Russians stated, it doesn't matter what you call them, Leopards, Abrams, or Challenger, they all burn the same.
And China will now learn how to reverse engineer Chobham armor.
probably not sending them that
If we're not sending them an abrams with any of the good stuff, its no better than their current soviet tanks and they'll quickly be destroyed by the Russians. Russia and China will get valuable battle information on American tanks, Ukraine will gain nothing, and the US will be several hundred million dollars poorer. Sounds like your typical Biden America Last policy.
The experience they are getting is just the "basics" of organizing and deploying troops and logistics. Same thing the US has developed in the Middle East the last 20 years.
The actual warfighting against Ukraine doesn't mean much because 1) Ukraine has almost no ability to attack beyond the front lines and 2) Ukraine has no navy and no real air force to speak of. A fight with the US would look very different.
The biggest risk is to start giving Ukraine modern US weapons to the point that Russia is actually building some meaningful experience fighting against a US-like force.
Don't need an air force they've got a ghost.
Not this. There's literally nothing the Russians don't know about these tanks.
That's just not true. Its not true because there are things the US doesn't even know. There's been very little real testing of how an Abrams fares against modern Russian weaponry.
One of the biggest strategic advantages the US has is that it rolls out new equipment about every decade or so and we haven't fought a peer conflict in a long time so our peer enemies have not much info on the exact capabilities and weaknesses of our newer shit. That means they have to plan for the worst. Once you put it in the field it becomes a lot easier to size us up accurately and to make accurate judgments on whether to risk war with us or not.
This
One would hope, but this administration is pretty compromised.
I'm sure they already got that from Hunter
Two thoughts
Let the world and Ukraine set up a puppet hero in a bunker, surrounded by corruption and let it play out.
The only thing that pisses me off is when WE as taxpayers buy billions of dollars worth of equipment, only to send it over to some people who hate me. It's so wrong but the agencies responsible for protecting my interests are actively trying to fuck me as well so they're not going to do anything about it. It's all quite insane.
Kiev
Kyiv is what the faggots call it now.
Hitler had the Same wonder weapons narrative and so does the deep state.
LAW NLAW Stinger 777 etc..
Just keep adding to the it will change the war bullshit copium.
Holy shit. Wow. They're actually doing it.
This is fucking retarded.
It's been said a million times, but it takes 6 months just to train 1 person to even maintain an Abrams. This doesn't even make sense.
They are for the summer offensive in about……..6 months. Poland can help with maintenance.
Always making Polish jokes.
It makes sense when its going to be Americans sent over to man them
The Ukie’s will be as effective with our Abrams as the taliban are with our blackhawks. If that’s who’ll actually be operating these.
You joke but there is actually al Qaeda commanders fighting in Chechen units being supported by the cocaini's
The propose is two-fold.
The USA has effectively put their full support behind Europe providing tanks to Ukraine. This way, if Russia retaliates, the USA is in on it. Germany for example said they weren't going to send tanks to Ukraine but after the USA announced they would be, the Germans also announced they are.
It slowly pushes the line out over what constitutes being at war with Russia and not. It's testing Russia's response.
So 31 of these tanks will require hundreds of trained technicians as advisors.. Having them in country where they could become casualties is not a very good idea.. Moving the tanks back and forth across allegedly neutral countries borders is also a shit storm of involvement.. This all is building rapidly out of control by upping the weapon technology and foreign involvement.. When Russia gets their hands on one of these it will make us weaker..
That's the whole point. They want an "accidental" death of US personnel so they can pound the war drums and reinstate the draft.
An accidental death of people in a war zone doesn't count.
I'm sick of this government playing these stupid and deadly games.
When Biden pulled out of Afghanistan we droned a civilian aid worker and his entire family, knowingly and swept it under a rug. A few dozen of our soldiers dying while working tanks in a foreign theater we aren't even congressionally approved to fight in just isn't going to make America thristy for a war.
They are just starting the big propaganda push to get people to consider going to war, and to push people to joining the military.
I'm sure you've noticed the latest reality TV show where celebrities get run through special forces training camp?
There will be more.
I just don't see it happening unless some massive false flag event is used - even then too many of us are entirely skeptical of it. It's not like they have hippies fighting against war, now they have conservatives who are no longer drinking the coolaid to contend with. They might still be able to pull it off - but who does WW3 really benefit, especially in a scenario where it can quickly get out of hand and one little Ivan can burn the entire east coast in a second.
I haven't watched TV since 1999.
Good for you. Dynamite drop in, too. You're really contributing to the conversation.
Final episode of Cheers was great.
It counts if they want it to.
Bet we* do the monumentally stupid thing and announce we're shipping them directly via the Black Sea and it gets Lusitania'd
Draft? WTF I’m Muslim now and can’t go!
Lol imagine thinking the soy-filled zoomers they've created will be capable of mounting any kind of resistance.
Imagine thinking only zoomers will get drafted or that the military, as woke as it is, doesn’t remember how to make warriors when it needs.
Yeah, they'll draft 30 year old millenials, brilliant strategy. And it sure seems like they've forgotten how to, have you already forgotten how Afghanistan ended after decades of vastly superior technology, training, and logistics?
The failures in Afghanistan were a combination of military/political leadership, rules of engagement due to combatants mingled with civilians; a determined enemy using guerilla tactics, which are hard to counter with a standing army. I'm not scared that the Army and Marines can't turn out capable warfighters, because I know they will. You should be scared about what happens if this conflict escalates and NATO backs Russia into a corner, because that's what will happen and exactly what our insane "leaders" are trying to do.
Start a war in Russia and a civil war at the same time!
The next wunderwaffe. It was the HIMARS before this, and the m777s before that.
The Russians will just destroy them like they did Ukraine's 2K armor when the war started.
Oh by the way, there's videos of regular Iraqis destroying them with shoulder fired weapons.
Ukraine is winning that's why they have to rebuild their military. They have 200K combat troops left as of Dec 2022. They are now forcing and beating up people on the streets to get them to be canon fodder.
What a sad country. They're killing their young men for what?
They are doing it so western politicians can rape children and steal tax money.
For Greater Israel.
Same thing as America, since 1861.
zelenksy decides absolutely nothing, it’s all a show for the propaganda news just like Biden is a puppet president with zero decision making authority,
Ukraine is literally being ran by the deepstate cabal and the military industrial complex as a very large money laundering operation
Idk, they’ve been killing their own citizens since 2014
This is illegal, as we have no legally elected government.
No one should accept this order. :)
except the entire military is just that, order followers.
My son declined to renew, and told them why.
Everyone must make their own choices. :)
1.)It takes a crew of over 20 men to arm, maintain, and operate an Abrams. Ukraine does not have that capability.
2.)Russia, who literally built Ukraine, made all the river bridges small enough so a large battle tank cannot cross without collapsing.
3.) In the age of drone bombs and laser targeted missiles, tanks are just a big pile of metal waiting to be disabled.
Good points and to help answer: 1.) Who says the Ukrainians are going to operate and maintain them? 2.) yes 3.) yes
Mercenaries are typically of the infantry type - getting a full tank crew and the maintenance/tech guys that are necessary for a tank is a completely different proposition.
Then WE are at WAR!! If our people maintain them, we are openly fighting a war. A war NONE of us want.
funny 31 tanks to defend other countries border .... some say we're testing out weapons on russia so we can see how effective it is for CCP china when we kick start off world war 3 ... i hope mr. biden and his family are safe when that nuke vaporize half if not all of America ... cause i be laughing when it hits d.c. upon these Fking traitors in congress rino/dem
Yeah,
why aren't these tanks helping to defend our southern boarder from the real invasion?
The Russians have 100MT bombs.
But I thought Trump was going to start another world war?
Why am I paying taxes?
So Democrats can steal it
Yeah, why are you?
Because you get murdered if you don't?
I'm still here, so that can't be it.
So the democrats can launder it through proxy wars fought by other countries people.
To defend national borders... just not our national borders...
is money even real when you can print infinite amounts of it
31 tanks? LMAO, corruption more like it. Now we get to send Ukraine additional funding to train the crew, supply the supply lines and fund this shit in perpetuity going forward until who knows when.
Someone's gonna make a ton of money on these desert tanks, at least Russia tech works in the snow...it's not the most advanced but at least it works.
Fun fact:
Some of the same machine tools to make tanks are used to make wind turbines.
Ukraine is the new Israel.
US sending Abrams tank technology to Russia.
Proxy war
"Just think of how valuable this practice experience will be in the event of a REAL war!" -CIA analysts just before starting a real war
In rational times this is an act of war
Movement of military assets?
Wouldn’t be surprised if those DS faggots did this to conceal a large military buildup on Russia’s border.
I don't understand the strategy of telling the whole world we are sending XYZ to Ukraine or doing anything there......whatever happened to the element of surprise?
If we were interested in actually help push Russia out we could.
This is just another car on the gravy train. The next one is "oops we didn't send ammo, fuel, parts, and technicians. Oh and they're still painted Sandbox Tan. Everyone cool with another 10 billion?"
PR to assuage Ukrainians who are dying by the hundreds everyday. Mothers, widows and daughters are starting to get angry.
like Russians are immortal...
They at least get their dead back. The Ukrainian relatives have to go look for their own dead. One wife found her husband by the side of the road in Kharkov who presumably died in the fall.
The count of KIA is around 1 Russian for 8 - 10 Ukrainian.
How do you know? Do you have any means to verify these claims? Or you just believe in Russian propaganda? Videos from Bakhmut area show opposite picture, hundreds of frozen dead Russian bodies and no one bothers to retrieve them.
goal is to drain US of weapons
Trump built up the military so they have to do something to roll that back.
The fewer weapons the US government has the better.
Who the fuck is going to drive them?
The Taliban?
Americans
So America is at war directly with Russia now?
Since 2014
I hope they nuke us.
Start with DC and San Francisco
Dc for sure.
The sad part is the people we want obliterated like Obama gates Clinton’s soros fauci fink ect will be living large in their luxury doomsday bunkers while the peasants melt
Why?
To pretend to the Ukrainians that we are helping so they will keep on fighting, to degrade Russia.
But I mean that part of the world has swamps and a mud-season... M1 Abrams variants go from 60 - 70 tons... 50 ton vehicles generally perform better (there are more variables like track width, suspension, etc) in such environments. JSDF's Type 90 (domestically produced Leopard) is spec'd specifically at 50 metric tons (55 tons) because of the terrain and bridge requirements of defending a place with precarious terrain... as Japan is likely to have.
Not to mention Abrams uses a turbine engine... unless repair and logistics crews go with these tanks, they're going to be in the hull-down position and really expensive gun emplacements. Not that Ukraine is paying a dime...
Russia or BRICS nations should give Mexico (the cartels) some MBTs... see how people feel about that. Probably cry like a bunch of whiny bitches.
This is so retarded.
How else is Ukraine supposed to spend the 100B+ that the Biden administration has sent them?
NUCLEAR WWIII HERE WE COME!
Movie props
It’s a pageant.
I mean the Russians have Abrams from Afg…
Abrams v Abrams?? I’d watch that. 😳
And I’d rather non-Americans die to see if the Abrams can fight an alleged “near-peer”. 🧐
So a waste of time and 31 tanks. Cool
Make sure to paint some florescent glow in the dark targets on top...oh wait...first close down the steel mill that makes the armor plating and outsource armament production to a third world communist dictatorship.
Russians respond with Zircon missiles, annihilate the Swamp/DC, celebrations across America, and in every country that US has illegally bombed/invaded, heard all the way in Moscow. Winning!
Ukraine should just rent them from the Taliban, they have plenty to go around...
You mean like this?
Hilarious if true. Russia to negotiate with the Taliban to purchase equipment Biden left in the failed withdrawal of Afghanistan
Why not make it 33?
I keep waiting on news headlines about someone trying to assassinate Biden. I wouldn't be surprised if someone already tried and they've just kept it under wraps. And not just Biden... Think about Tradeau and the absurdity he's responsible for that people up there just gobble up like it's their fucking vitamins, or any dictator over in Europe.
I always figured he would go out with covid. Whatever it takes for good ratings.
Isn't this the equivalent of the US declaring war against Russia?
Where is the congressional approval of war?
farts. Ah, there we go. Bombs away!