To give credit where due, who knew how to deal with a loser son's boyfriend.
Also I liked "Beg pardon, sire, but won't we hit our own troops as well?" "Well, yes, but we'll hit theirs as well. We have reserves. Attack. Send us news of our victory."
Not because good leadership, but because it captured the character quite well.
They wanted to do the same thing if you left the US. If you left an renounced citizenship they still wanted the right to tax your income for a decade after. These people believe you're their property an any money you make is rightfully theirs.
Although I hate it, the national wealth tax for expats is different, and probably warranted. The idea is that the money was earned in the US and is part of the wealth of the nation; why should the money be allowed to leave the US?
It's a valid discussion point. Are we citizens of the US, or of the world? If the US, then I can see a penalty in wealth for taking it out of the country.
There's a concept known as Tax Competition. It means that our ability to take our money elsewhere serves as a check on our government to not create an abusive environment, or else it risks capital flight. Taking that away is tyrannical.
kek, me too:) As I get older, I could probably fly under the radar, as my goals have contracted.
When I was younger and thought I might go the Elon route someday, I spent a lot of time thinking about real independence, and what it might mean to live in a country with less control. Most were in danger of becoming a shithole where one's property can be taken away any time.
The thought process gave me an appreciation for why chieftains want to become kings, and kings, emperors. At some level for everyone except the very, very highest (and even then, only temporarily) there is always another party willing and perhaps able to come and take away one's shit.
It sounds a bit feudal to me. The government should serve the people not the other way around. Likewise, the individual already did the US a favor by earning the money here and contributing to the economy and to all the things the government actually owns itself. If anything, the government should owe the individual money as they will never get the full benefit of the services they had been contributing to up to the point of their departure.
Maybe it’s just me but comparing expat financial taxation to an American citizen going from one American state to another to escape the lunacy in aforementioned state is apples and oranges. Although I do concede both are odious, the intrastate wealth tax is hubris on a yet unseen scale.
Texas and Florida should start taxing the CA government for all the economic disaster they have wreaked on America. Start at $90 Trillion in tax, and tell them 5% of will go to support Ukraine.
This is so retarded. Mississippi and New Mexico each get back about $3 in federal spending for every dollar they send to the federal treasury in taxes. Alabama and Louisiana are close behind. South Carolina receives $8 back from Washington for every $1 its citizens pay in federal tax. California gets slightly less than a dollar for each dollar that is stolen by the FED GOV.
States with low tax rates essentially subsidize states that have high tax rates because these state and local taxes are eligible to be deducted from federal taxes.
This is why Trump capped SALT deductions at $10k, and it's why Biden tried to raise it to $80k in his Build Back Better bill.
Lulz. SALT deductions, $80K is pocket change. I literally didn’t even notice or complain about Trump’s punishment of high earners in CA, because I run SALT through my company. You’re such a faggot. You are advocating for more tax on wage workers in CA. CA actually has more ultra MAGA patriots than FL or TX. Smooth brain small heads like you are the reason why libtards have powwah. You hate the rich CA MAGA beach owners with huge trucks and super cars because you can’t imagine how to make it in a place that doesn’t suck. Go hug your fat ugly wife in your 1300 sq ft shithole.
You're delusional if you think $80k per taxpayer is pocket change.
Nobody is advocating for higher taxes. The idea is that by capping SALT deductions, states with high tax rates like CA and NY are forced to lower their state and local tax rates because they can no longer steal it from the federal taxes paid by every other US citizen. This is why NY state sued Trump over his SALT cap.
Red state taxpayers are no longer subsidizing your crazy high local taxes...at least not more than $10k per taxpayer. Address any complaints about your high tax rates to your state and local governments.
Call in the national army to do...what? Enforce federal jurisdiction? Can the Texas National Army also seize contraband between the border of NM and AZ? You can't just do whatever you like with a standing army, there are laws.
Again, your argument will boil down to "fuck the law" which is something no one wants.
Bahahaha what the holy fuck. These sacks of shit need to get bent. So what is it if you live there for x amount of time and you flee, they can still tax you? LMAO that's so fucking crazy.
What if someone who fled refuses to pay? Do they swear out a warrant, and arrest the person upon entering California again? Do they extradite the person from their current state? What prevents any state from taxing citizens of all 49 other states, if this is allowed? Do we all potentially get to pay 50 state income taxes in addition to the hefty federal tax?
It is unconstitutional. A state may not tax another state. If somethiing like this were to be done it would have to be through federal. But even that would run into Constitutional questions.
I don't see how this could possibly be enforceable. The only thing would be if you left the state, but still own assets physically in CA, then I'd imagine they could tax you somehow. But if you sell any CA assets then they can't f'ing tax you, that's absurd.
My interpretation of the wording of the bill itself is that a state resident is taxed on their universal net worth. So “fleeing the state” actually means you’ve just loaded assets elsewhere. You still have to be a legal resident of California to have the tax applied. So still a bullshit tax, but the title is a little click baity.
Low IQ and bullshit assumptions while being incapable of good faith discussions?
Actually, you're right, after going through your history, your low IQ, bullshit assumptions, and your incapability of good faith in discussions should have tipped me off.
But no, it was your strange English and use of lefty buzzwords. Do the needful and poo in the loo.
It has nothing to do with thousands, millions, billions. The point is that this is a ludicrous proposal and outright theft. If they do this to millionaires what will stop them from eventually doing this to any expat? Remove the income and replace with “citizen” and you see the issue at hand. You should care because it would set a precedent and they could then come after anyone, regardless of income.
That's how the income tax was pitched when it was first introduced. History reveals that in a couple years, anyone making over 50k/yr will be on the hook.
You need to make at least 50 million dollars to make this apply to you now.. but as with all gov't overreach, it will be a few years and then they will find a way to apply it to those family incomes of $400k, then $200k, well what we meant was $75k single income.. y'know why don't we just apply it to the normal tax schedule for everyone so that we can be inclusive..
I was specifically warned by my boss, "do not work more than 30 business days in CA or you become subject to CA income taxes". I worked 28 days in CA that year, then covid hit and all the business travel ground to a screeching halt.
Fuck CA and the horse they rode in on. Keep your fucking hands off my money.
This is not a legal matter, this is really a political theatre matter and the audience consists of grifters, young people without direction, criminals, and adults with very low intelligence.
Finally, a comment that mentions jurisdiction. No, California would have no right to tax anyone no longer living in CA. However, they're applying these taxes retroactively -- meaning they deciding to go back to 1991 and say you owe an extra $1m just because. And of course, if you don't pay, they issue a warrant for your arrest, which other States much execute and render you back to CA. It's absolute madness. The only word for this kind of thievery is tyranny.
"In the case of the California bill, current and former residents would have to pay based on the value of stocks, savings accounts, arts and collectibles, real estate, pension funds, financial assets held offshore, and several other assets. The portion of an individual’s wealth eligible for the tax would be decided with an equation that weighs the number of years in which an individual lived in California out of the previous four years." FOUR FUCKING YEARS! These people have been smoking too much weed.
it can't be legal to tax someone after the fact, especially if the law did not exist years before they left. I say pass your retarded law and make it only effective for people who have been in the state 6 years after the law has past. This should give enough time for the whole state to empty and you won't have to worry about taking care of anything or anybody. It will literally be zombieland.
This is in fact ex post facto. You can't be subject to a law before it exists. They will at least have to make sure that they don't count years before it was law.
Imagine having to sell off real estate, stocks, a pension or trust, or collectibles you're giving your kids just to pay a tax bill.
This is theater as someone mentioned, but how long before the billionaires move out of state and they decide maybe 10 million is too much wealth in California? 400k?
Yeah, Elizabeth Warren was talking about taxing peoples unrealized gains.
Like usual, she just said it'd apply to rich people only, but you know like any democrat tax, it'll magically make it into the middle class to fuck them, and Republicans will be blamed for it for some reason.
it's a blatant violation of multiple constitutional rights, including the 14th amendment, 10th amendment, numerous provisions of article 1, and many others. it'd never survive a legal challenge.
6 top comments down to find someone who read about the bill. Looks the same as when first drafts came out. Tired based on years in California and extending 4 years after they left. This was a known problem facing California prior to 2020 census. They boast about a 30 billion surplus while failing society by living off the rich while blaming them for their problems.
Yup. Same with IL. The graduated income tax was supposed to only effect rich people. And then when people looked into it, it effected the middle class even more (where 1% point higher hits way harder). Thankfully, people took their heads out of their asses and it was defeated.
It would stop those locusts from driving up costs and disenfranchising longtime residents of the state they are fleeing to. Also businesses should stop hiring Californians. Make them go back and fix their shithole of a state.
This is just a small move to CA trying to tax people who never lived there. CA is running out of other other's people's money to pay for their liberal bullshit.
We've come to learn that you recently saw video of the Los Angeles skyline in a TV commercial. We at the California Tax Commision consider this a form of Virtual Remote Tourism, which is subject to local taxes. Please remit $1,200 for your "remote visit" to Los Angles. Failure to settle this debt will result in a warrant issued in your name and further persecution ... err, prosecution.
How you going to collect from people who don't live in your state? I mean if they still have assets in CA, ok but if everything is out of CA what you gonna do? They can crumple up the bill and say "fuck you I'm not paying"
Pretty easy. Their very official tax-law enforcement division puts in a transfer from your bank accounts to theirs, then puts liens against all your assets so you can't sell them. All very simple. And it's totally legit, because they investigated themselves, and determined that they were acting correctly.
Pray that you never get pulled over ever again, because they'll be issuing a warrant for you and your new State will be compelled to enforce it. That's the power that CA intends to exploit. Warrants. They've thought it through. Even if you leave, they can drag you back.
Yeah, I was gonna say, this isn't gonna be some parking ticket at a junior college. They'll lien your shit, go into your back account and take the money. They'll have unlimited power with the feds backing them up.
Biden will then tell people who don't like it to just buy the generic version of raisin bran.
SCOTUS can't take up cases on their own. an appeal of an active case has to come to them. it's part of the checks and balances.
moreover, this is not even a law. it's a bill. it's not going to pass, and even if it did pass, it'd lose in trial court and never even make it to the supreme court... there are already countless cases that shut shit like this down, so many that they even teach them in law school out of the textbook. a second year law student could win the case.
So your shit policies cause all of your constituents to flee and your solution is to try and tax them after they left your shit state? Absolutly no introspection for these insane people.
They want to tax people on unrealized profits? I'm so glad I moved from this shitass state back in August. Imagine buying $1,000 worth of crypto and then paying a tax on that. The next day, the crypto falls to a worth of $50. Not only are you out $950, but you're out the tax on the $1,000 it used to be worth. This shit is so unethical, and the politician who proposed this shit needs to be shot.
Didn’t New York try the same thing. I seem to recall Rush Limbaugh saying something about New York. Still trying to text him even though he has been in Florida for years.
I think CA tried taxing "former residents" before and it was struck down summarily by the courts. I could be confusing a different issue, however.
CA should try a little state level "nationalism" to contain their costs but they can't let anything get in the way of their virtue signaling. Thus, they will continue to lose residents and rely even more on immigration to prop themselves up.
Also, I don't think the Federal money they received for "pandemic relief" came close to plugging the gaping hole in their public pension system. Stanford still claims it is closer to $1T rather than the official $300B. Problems - California's got them (but so does everyone in one form or another, I guess).
So, no startup will risk running an IPO while in California. Instead they will take their incubators elsewhere before they become worth more than a bil+. Good job commies, you don't understand that your actions have consequences.
No, I'm originally from Pennsylvania. My Dad got the wonderlust in the 60s and we made the trek out here. He visited here when he was in the Navy and fell in love with it. He would be horrified to see it now.
Wow. My grandparents on my mom's side are from Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh area, beaver falls to be exact. Grandpa was also in the navy during WW2. But I think they ended up in California because my grandpa's job.
Wow - I know where Beaver Falls is. I'm from Wilkinsburg and later Monroeville. I used to joke with my Dad that if we were born in a different century, we would have been in a covered wagon coming west. Like I said, coming from PA, California seemed like a paradise, not anymore. Nice to meet ya fren. By the way, I miss PA, this place has turned into a shithole not to mention the politics. Pretty boy Gavin thinks hes' going to be President - what a fraud. Too bad the attempt to throw him out on his ass didn't work (or did it) I don't trust much of anything anymore. Sounds like your Grandpa and my Dad were the same generation.
This is the bluprint for the one world government. Everyone taxed everywhere, going to one top government, whether that government is working for you or not, and you cannot escape it.
As a resident of a target area for these pieces of shit, I approve of this. Californians, many of whom helped ruin their own state by voting democrat, have flooded my area. Driving up the price of homes so high that local people cannot buy here anymore. They have damn near taken over they are so many. They've been able to enjoy the money they reaped from their ridiculous home state to ruin mine. If Newsom sends them each a giant tax bill, maybe some of them will have to sell their homes here to pay it.
I want them to leave, just about all of them. I hate what they've done to my area. I know I'm not alone, there are many places these locust have ruined.
If California is going to just tax you anyway if you move, more of them will stay there. And perhaps, some of them will go back, figuring if they have to pay it, they may as well live amongst their own kind again.
Net worth does not equal actual amount of income or money in the bank. Musk may be worth hundreds of billions of dollars but guaranteed he doesn't have that in his actual account
More proof the commies running cali need to be hung.
I mostly agree except for hanged, hung is something else.
I see your mother has been telling stories about me
It was your FBI colleagues. I guess you guys have some parties together?
I was busy hiding in the curtains hoping no one would see me
Is that a curtain rod in your pants or are you just happy to see me? 🤣
I love this thread.
Well, we at least we know the ATF are not at play...
Great movie, if not exactly 100% accurate, lol
To give credit where due, who knew how to deal with a loser son's boyfriend.
Also I liked "Beg pardon, sire, but won't we hit our own troops as well?" "Well, yes, but we'll hit theirs as well. We have reserves. Attack. Send us news of our victory."
Not because good leadership, but because it captured the character quite well.
kek
Are you sure it wasn't his dad?
If they are hung, then there should be a tax for that. A circumference tax if you will.
Big Mike is enthusiastically against!
That's exactly what "Barry" would say....
Dammed beaners come over here and don’t even learn the language…
"Hanged dear, your father isn't a tapestry"
Gavin has micropenis.
Microbrain too
They wanted to do the same thing if you left the US. If you left an renounced citizenship they still wanted the right to tax your income for a decade after. These people believe you're their property an any money you make is rightfully theirs.
If this is further proof that CA is run by commies, what does that say about the US, which has a similar wealth tax to citizens who try to expatriate?
I believe we're one of only three countries in the world who do that.
Although I hate it, the national wealth tax for expats is different, and probably warranted. The idea is that the money was earned in the US and is part of the wealth of the nation; why should the money be allowed to leave the US?
It's a valid discussion point. Are we citizens of the US, or of the world? If the US, then I can see a penalty in wealth for taking it out of the country.
That flies in the face of the Right to Property.
Also, this is money you've already paid taxes on.
There's a concept known as Tax Competition. It means that our ability to take our money elsewhere serves as a check on our government to not create an abusive environment, or else it risks capital flight. Taking that away is tyrannical.
I hear you. I was just putting forward the other side of the argument.
I appreciate that. It's an important topic that I've been opining on for a very long time.
I started looking into moving to the Caribbean around 2010.
kek, me too:) As I get older, I could probably fly under the radar, as my goals have contracted.
When I was younger and thought I might go the Elon route someday, I spent a lot of time thinking about real independence, and what it might mean to live in a country with less control. Most were in danger of becoming a shithole where one's property can be taken away any time.
The thought process gave me an appreciation for why chieftains want to become kings, and kings, emperors. At some level for everyone except the very, very highest (and even then, only temporarily) there is always another party willing and perhaps able to come and take away one's shit.
I like it. Thanks for posting re Tax Competition. It is private property, I agree.
The opposite is also true; the Davos crowd want an abusive environment, and the threat of capital flight lets them chip away at the Constitution
I'd say let the capital fly away and impose harsh penalties to return so they can't just go out and in.
Now do remittances sent back to Central & South America, among others. There should be at minimum a tax on that behavior.
Agreed, for the same reason
non citizens are a higher class than citizens.
It sounds a bit feudal to me. The government should serve the people not the other way around. Likewise, the individual already did the US a favor by earning the money here and contributing to the economy and to all the things the government actually owns itself. If anything, the government should owe the individual money as they will never get the full benefit of the services they had been contributing to up to the point of their departure.
Maybe it’s just me but comparing expat financial taxation to an American citizen going from one American state to another to escape the lunacy in aforementioned state is apples and oranges. Although I do concede both are odious, the intrastate wealth tax is hubris on a yet unseen scale.
Not if you consider the States sovereign and apply Article 4 arguments.
It's apples to apples, I think in that context.
Hubris indeed, but think of where this leads......
What are the other two? I figured we were the only one.
I'm not sure we're not the only one. I've heard both versions.
I think somewhere like Singapore was mentioned.
As a calian, I completely agree. I'm sorry for all these retards running this once beautiful State.
I also live in cali. Santa Ana specifically. It’s horrid what’s happened here.
Texas and Florida should start taxing the CA government for all the economic disaster they have wreaked on America. Start at $90 Trillion in tax, and tell them 5% of will go to support Ukraine.
Wrought. But good point.
That would have been a better word choice . :-)
Only problem is it inevitably ends up just becoming a tax on everyone, because the feds bail Cali out.
This is so retarded. Mississippi and New Mexico each get back about $3 in federal spending for every dollar they send to the federal treasury in taxes. Alabama and Louisiana are close behind. South Carolina receives $8 back from Washington for every $1 its citizens pay in federal tax. California gets slightly less than a dollar for each dollar that is stolen by the FED GOV.
I believe the BLUE STATES PAY FOR THE RED STATES ANYWAYZ BIGOTS has been deboonked multiple times.
But you do you boo.
Now factor in SALT deductions
No such thing. How about factoring in that CA has to pay for 40% of the countries homeless because the weather doesn’t suck here?
No such thing as SALT deductions...?
States with low tax rates essentially subsidize states that have high tax rates because these state and local taxes are eligible to be deducted from federal taxes. This is why Trump capped SALT deductions at $10k, and it's why Biden tried to raise it to $80k in his Build Back Better bill.
Lulz. SALT deductions, $80K is pocket change. I literally didn’t even notice or complain about Trump’s punishment of high earners in CA, because I run SALT through my company. You’re such a faggot. You are advocating for more tax on wage workers in CA. CA actually has more ultra MAGA patriots than FL or TX. Smooth brain small heads like you are the reason why libtards have powwah. You hate the rich CA MAGA beach owners with huge trucks and super cars because you can’t imagine how to make it in a place that doesn’t suck. Go hug your fat ugly wife in your 1300 sq ft shithole.
You're delusional if you think $80k per taxpayer is pocket change.
Nobody is advocating for higher taxes. The idea is that by capping SALT deductions, states with high tax rates like CA and NY are forced to lower their state and local tax rates because they can no longer steal it from the federal taxes paid by every other US citizen. This is why NY state sued Trump over his SALT cap.
Red state taxpayers are no longer subsidizing your crazy high local taxes...at least not more than $10k per taxpayer. Address any complaints about your high tax rates to your state and local governments.
so does the big guy get a cut of the 95% or the %5?
kek <= this one
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kek <= not this one
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kek <= definitely not this one, go back to the top, you fool.
Would be nice if they closed that border.
Not Texas' fault. The federal gov has jurisdiction and they want as many illegals as they can ram through.
You can't just say "ignore the law" cause that opens up a whole can of worms.
Call in the national army to do...what? Enforce federal jurisdiction? Can the Texas National Army also seize contraband between the border of NM and AZ? You can't just do whatever you like with a standing army, there are laws.
Again, your argument will boil down to "fuck the law" which is something no one wants.
If sanctuary cities can ignore federal law so can Texas
Those sanctuary cities have the benefit of being allied with the federal government. Red states do not.
Red states would be on the losing end of every possible legal suit.
It's better to take a chance at potentially losing a legal fight than to ensure a loss because you never bothered to fight in the first place.
Bahahaha what the holy fuck. These sacks of shit need to get bent. So what is it if you live there for x amount of time and you flee, they can still tax you? LMAO that's so fucking crazy.
They should just call it the Elon Tax.
What if someone who fled refuses to pay? Do they swear out a warrant, and arrest the person upon entering California again? Do they extradite the person from their current state? What prevents any state from taxing citizens of all 49 other states, if this is allowed? Do we all potentially get to pay 50 state income taxes in addition to the hefty federal tax?
Sounds reasonable. They are after all committing what amounts to armed robbery here
Based glowie
What a good, useful account this handshake is, contributing much to discussion here, and not a troll in any way.
Asking the real questions right here.
It is unconstitutional. A state may not tax another state. If somethiing like this were to be done it would have to be through federal. But even that would run into Constitutional questions.
Constitution? Don't be silly. It's a brave new world!
#StunningAndBraveNewWorld
I don't see how this could possibly be enforceable. The only thing would be if you left the state, but still own assets physically in CA, then I'd imagine they could tax you somehow. But if you sell any CA assets then they can't f'ing tax you, that's absurd.
My interpretation of the wording of the bill itself is that a state resident is taxed on their universal net worth. So “fleeing the state” actually means you’ve just loaded assets elsewhere. You still have to be a legal resident of California to have the tax applied. So still a bullshit tax, but the title is a little click baity.
Edit: Nevermind I can’t read lol.
not only unenforceable, it's a blatant violation of the 14th amendment and others.
This is probably in response to Elon moving tesla HQ to Texas.
I hear Nebraska has some cheap land. He should build it out in BFE with his own airport.
This will get slapped down by the courts. It's wholly illegal.
No standing
You also need to make at least 50 million dollars for this to apply to you
That makes it OK?
No but it adds important nuance.
Ask me how I know you're secretly a commie
Low IQ and bullshit assumptions while being incapable of good faith discussions?
Actually, you're right, after going through your history, your low IQ, bullshit assumptions, and your incapability of good faith in discussions should have tipped me off.
But no, it was your strange English and use of lefty buzzwords. Do the needful and poo in the loo.
The strangest thing is how a formerly colonized society prides itself on its knowledge of the colonizer’s language while being ignorant of any other
I really don't care about millionaires and guarantee no one on this site is making 50+M a year
That's quite a leap of an assumption.
It has nothing to do with thousands, millions, billions. The point is that this is a ludicrous proposal and outright theft. If they do this to millionaires what will stop them from eventually doing this to any expat? Remove the income and replace with “citizen” and you see the issue at hand. You should care because it would set a precedent and they could then come after anyone, regardless of income.
"They're only talking about outlawing fully automatic rifles, guys. I guarantee nobody on this site has a fully automatic rifle."
Go back and finish elementary school.
With inflation being what it is this may not hold true much longer
That's how the income tax was pitched when it was first introduced. History reveals that in a couple years, anyone making over 50k/yr will be on the hook.
That is how the Earnings Tax for KCMO was pitched initially. It was only supposed to be for a couple of years in the late 60's at a 1/2 %.
Now, it is at 1% and they are doing everything they can grab those dollars earned by anyone working in their border.
You need to make at least 50 million dollars to make this apply to you now.. but as with all gov't overreach, it will be a few years and then they will find a way to apply it to those family incomes of $400k, then $200k, well what we meant was $75k single income.. y'know why don't we just apply it to the normal tax schedule for everyone so that we can be inclusive..
They already try to tax me because i visit for work trips sometimes.
I was specifically warned by my boss, "do not work more than 30 business days in CA or you become subject to CA income taxes". I worked 28 days in CA that year, then covid hit and all the business travel ground to a screeching halt.
Fuck CA and the horse they rode in on. Keep your fucking hands off my money.
They'll just cause inflation to rise so $1M then is like $100K today
if you dont think illinois et al will go after 75k-ionaires who flee the state you are a fucking moron.
look up what the federal income tax minimum was when it was started.
then look up what the minimum was 10 years later.
they will pass it under the guise of taxing the uber-wealthy, and like clockwork, they always lower the thresholds to tax everyone.
Maybe these dumbasses need to look up the word "jurisdiction" in a dictionary?
This is not a legal matter, this is really a political theatre matter and the audience consists of grifters, young people without direction, criminals, and adults with very low intelligence.
That's what it seems like to me, because I don't know how they can tax you when you didn't live in the state for the entire year.
They cannot, unless the tax is on wages you earned within the state, and that tax is levied only in the cycle that earning occurred.
That is the only exception. Period.
Tax the rich manifest
Finally, a comment that mentions jurisdiction. No, California would have no right to tax anyone no longer living in CA. However, they're applying these taxes retroactively -- meaning they deciding to go back to 1991 and say you owe an extra $1m just because. And of course, if you don't pay, they issue a warrant for your arrest, which other States much execute and render you back to CA. It's absolute madness. The only word for this kind of thievery is tyranny.
A retroactive tax violates ex post facto
I'm sure it does. But how many days in the clink before you start calling friends and family to scrape together the money?
That's what they're banking on -- that's what society is based on -- the fear of State-sanctioned violence!
That action would have to violate a shitload of laws (statute of limitations for starters, or like sibling post said - ex post facto ).
"You can check out any time you like but you can never leave - our taxes."
Welcome to the hellhole California 🎵
Sounds like more democrats not liking their slaves leaving the plantation.
THIS ☝
They're still the same 'ol Dixiecrats as always!
"In the case of the California bill, current and former residents would have to pay based on the value of stocks, savings accounts, arts and collectibles, real estate, pension funds, financial assets held offshore, and several other assets. The portion of an individual’s wealth eligible for the tax would be decided with an equation that weighs the number of years in which an individual lived in California out of the previous four years." FOUR FUCKING YEARS! These people have been smoking too much weed.
Sounds ex post facto to me. 🤷🏼♂️
it can't be legal to tax someone after the fact, especially if the law did not exist years before they left. I say pass your retarded law and make it only effective for people who have been in the state 6 years after the law has past. This should give enough time for the whole state to empty and you won't have to worry about taking care of anything or anybody. It will literally be zombieland.
This is in fact ex post facto. You can't be subject to a law before it exists. They will at least have to make sure that they don't count years before it was law.
Well, completely Zombieland ... some corners of CA already are! 🤣
Imagine having to sell off real estate, stocks, a pension or trust, or collectibles you're giving your kids just to pay a tax bill.
This is theater as someone mentioned, but how long before the billionaires move out of state and they decide maybe 10 million is too much wealth in California? 400k?
Yeah, Elizabeth Warren was talking about taxing peoples unrealized gains.
Like usual, she just said it'd apply to rich people only, but you know like any democrat tax, it'll magically make it into the middle class to fuck them, and Republicans will be blamed for it for some reason.
it's a blatant violation of multiple constitutional rights, including the 14th amendment, 10th amendment, numerous provisions of article 1, and many others. it'd never survive a legal challenge.
6 top comments down to find someone who read about the bill. Looks the same as when first drafts came out. Tired based on years in California and extending 4 years after they left. This was a known problem facing California prior to 2020 census. They boast about a 30 billion surplus while failing society by living off the rich while blaming them for their problems.
This is how California works. They start at 50M and in a couple years will lower it to hit the middle class. Every tax is. Slippery slope.
Yup. Same with IL. The graduated income tax was supposed to only effect rich people. And then when people looked into it, it effected the middle class even more (where 1% point higher hits way harder). Thankfully, people took their heads out of their asses and it was defeated.
Tax, ban, mandate. Tax, ban, mandate, Tax, tax, mandate, ban, ban, mandate, tax.
This is all democrats do, especially this commie freak Newsom. Soon he'll be taxing all your states when they install him in the White House.
Gas brake honk, gas brake honk, gas gas gas
It would stop those locusts from driving up costs and disenfranchising longtime residents of the state they are fleeing to. Also businesses should stop hiring Californians. Make them go back and fix their shithole of a state.
Really, locusts is the only appropriate label for them!
Or at least make them take a test to show if they're still a faggy liberal, or just escaping a shithole run by people they never voted for.
For some states, the red voters that are the minority flee to other red states and make those states redder.
This is just a small move to CA trying to tax people who never lived there. CA is running out of other other's people's money to pay for their liberal bullshit.
Hello from the California Tax Commision,
We've come to learn that you recently saw video of the Los Angeles skyline in a TV commercial. We at the California Tax Commision consider this a form of Virtual Remote Tourism, which is subject to local taxes. Please remit $1,200 for your "remote visit" to Los Angles. Failure to settle this debt will result in a warrant issued in your name and further persecution ... err, prosecution.
Thank you for "visiting" California!
How you going to collect from people who don't live in your state? I mean if they still have assets in CA, ok but if everything is out of CA what you gonna do? They can crumple up the bill and say "fuck you I'm not paying"
Pretty easy. Their very official tax-law enforcement division puts in a transfer from your bank accounts to theirs, then puts liens against all your assets so you can't sell them. All very simple. And it's totally legit, because they investigated themselves, and determined that they were acting correctly.
Truth. You need to have a very local bank to be protected from California liens.
And if they know about your stocks, they might be able to put a lien in through your broker.
Pray that you never get pulled over ever again, because they'll be issuing a warrant for you and your new State will be compelled to enforce it. That's the power that CA intends to exploit. Warrants. They've thought it through. Even if you leave, they can drag you back.
Yeah, I was gonna say, this isn't gonna be some parking ticket at a junior college. They'll lien your shit, go into your back account and take the money. They'll have unlimited power with the feds backing them up.
Biden will then tell people who don't like it to just buy the generic version of raisin bran.
SCOTUS needs to rule this unconstitutional immediately.
Because we still have a legitimate Supreme Court and a functioning constitution?
that's not how civics works.
SCOTUS can't take up cases on their own. an appeal of an active case has to come to them. it's part of the checks and balances.
moreover, this is not even a law. it's a bill. it's not going to pass, and even if it did pass, it'd lose in trial court and never even make it to the supreme court... there are already countless cases that shut shit like this down, so many that they even teach them in law school out of the textbook. a second year law student could win the case.
So your shit policies cause all of your constituents to flee and your solution is to try and tax them after they left your shit state? Absolutly no introspection for these insane people.
They want to tax people on unrealized profits? I'm so glad I moved from this shitass state back in August. Imagine buying $1,000 worth of crypto and then paying a tax on that. The next day, the crypto falls to a worth of $50. Not only are you out $950, but you're out the tax on the $1,000 it used to be worth. This shit is so unethical, and the politician who proposed this shit needs to be shot.
Well they have to get the 5 million per non slave money some how
Didn’t New York try the same thing. I seem to recall Rush Limbaugh saying something about New York. Still trying to text him even though he has been in Florida for years.
Yes, he paid taxes for New York for iirc 5 years after he moved out. They tried to get more after but couldn't. Just by memory, don't quote me.
I think CA tried taxing "former residents" before and it was struck down summarily by the courts. I could be confusing a different issue, however.
CA should try a little state level "nationalism" to contain their costs but they can't let anything get in the way of their virtue signaling. Thus, they will continue to lose residents and rely even more on immigration to prop themselves up.
Also, I don't think the Federal money they received for "pandemic relief" came close to plugging the gaping hole in their public pension system. Stanford still claims it is closer to $1T rather than the official $300B. Problems - California's got them (but so does everyone in one form or another, I guess).
Article 4; Section 2; c 1 disagrees.
See you in court, CA.
If they do this and you know a lib who fled California, REPORT THE FUCKER!
FUCK 'EM, NO MERCY!
Sounds like a real estate scam. Drive people out of CA, drop real estate prices, buy up or let your overseas friends buy up real estate cheaper.
So, no startup will risk running an IPO while in California. Instead they will take their incubators elsewhere before they become worth more than a bil+. Good job commies, you don't understand that your actions have consequences.
Yeah, I bet Delaware makes a killing as their low taxes on small corporations causes many companies to be a delaware company.
Sometimes, less tax brings in more money for you. Liberals are usually entirely too retarded to understand this concept, however.
Once again - California for the "stupid trophy" I fucking live here!!!
Are you a native Californian too Mona?
No, I'm originally from Pennsylvania. My Dad got the wonderlust in the 60s and we made the trek out here. He visited here when he was in the Navy and fell in love with it. He would be horrified to see it now.
Wow. My grandparents on my mom's side are from Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh area, beaver falls to be exact. Grandpa was also in the navy during WW2. But I think they ended up in California because my grandpa's job.
Wow - I know where Beaver Falls is. I'm from Wilkinsburg and later Monroeville. I used to joke with my Dad that if we were born in a different century, we would have been in a covered wagon coming west. Like I said, coming from PA, California seemed like a paradise, not anymore. Nice to meet ya fren. By the way, I miss PA, this place has turned into a shithole not to mention the politics. Pretty boy Gavin thinks hes' going to be President - what a fraud. Too bad the attempt to throw him out on his ass didn't work (or did it) I don't trust much of anything anymore. Sounds like your Grandpa and my Dad were the same generation.
Anything to line their pockets
This is the bluprint for the one world government. Everyone taxed everywhere, going to one top government, whether that government is working for you or not, and you cannot escape it.
As a resident of a target area for these pieces of shit, I approve of this. Californians, many of whom helped ruin their own state by voting democrat, have flooded my area. Driving up the price of homes so high that local people cannot buy here anymore. They have damn near taken over they are so many. They've been able to enjoy the money they reaped from their ridiculous home state to ruin mine. If Newsom sends them each a giant tax bill, maybe some of them will have to sell their homes here to pay it.
I want them to leave, just about all of them. I hate what they've done to my area. I know I'm not alone, there are many places these locust have ruined.
If California is going to just tax you anyway if you move, more of them will stay there. And perhaps, some of them will go back, figuring if they have to pay it, they may as well live amongst their own kind again.
One can hope, right?
Tax this dick faggots.
They will.
Net worth does not equal actual amount of income or money in the bank. Musk may be worth hundreds of billions of dollars but guaranteed he doesn't have that in his actual account
Good. Crash the state, create such a negative impression that no political candidate from California will be viable for decades.
Paid to whom in the world? Why are we paying taxes to another country?
Hotel California....
The eagles were fucking PROPHETS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To86UdOx0A8
Last thing I remember
I was running for the door
I had to find the passage back
To the place I was before
"Relax," said the night man
"We are programmed to receive
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave"
c'mon man! it's for the high speed rail!!
Sorry, but not sure that will work.
BWHAHAHAHA!!! Boy, this won’t play well for the new “reparations millionaires” in San Francisco.
“Here’s your $5 Million check for being the descendants of slaves!”
“Wow, thanks!!!”
“”Not at all… and here is the $4,999,995.00 ‘global wealth tax assessment on your windfall.