Biden's IRS pushes new scheme to crack down on restaurant tips
The Biden administration’s Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has proposed a program for service industry employers to report their workers’ tips to the IRS in order to improve tip reporting compliance, according to a Monday announcement.
They really don't like plebs eating do they.
It’s just the low hanging fruit. Rich people have lawyers, structured shell corps, and accountants that make it high effort to collect on taxes. Some poor waitress is going to beg and plead for leniency when they get the letter in the mail about their back taxes the IRS has determined they owe.
The criminal part is the IRS is allowed to presume you owe money without proof and you have to fight their presumption in court.
This totally goes against innocent until proven guilty. There shouldn't be a separate standard for tax collection.
81 million people voted for this though 🤥
Heh. More like 1 million people came up with 81 million votes.
The 13% in the cities muled it!
Half of those are below the minimum requirement of $2000 earning to file a tax return so I'm thinking their not too worried
81 million ballots do not equal 81 million votes
This is why there should be nothing but a sales tax. 5% federal 5-10% state. IRS exists only for businesses collecting sales tax but no individual audits or filing. Then they can do like states do with sales tax an exempt some things like stocks, crypto, gold, bonds, vehicles, homes, etc. No more threatening individuals because nobody wage slaving is required to file taxes. They could run businesses like VAT where they don't pay sales tax on raw materials but collect on the final use sale.
Why should we even be taxed by the Feds? Seems before 1913 we did fine just using tariffs and such.
And don't get me started on a national sales tax. Low income people will be really hurt. People making under around 20k don't pay a tax. I've been there and done that. With a national sales tax they are screwed.
Either way you look at it the MFs want more money from us. It's never enough.
Federal taxes should only apply in times of war. And I don't mean this perpetual "military operations" fucking bullshit. Congress needs to go on record voting to send Americans to go die for something so that way when we determine it was not something to go die for they get to make the ultimate sacrifice for being wrong about it.
Don't want Congress fucks to be dragged into the street and executed? Great!! Then don't vote for the same fate for innocent Americans. This is not a difficult concept to understand.
Go do a search for Donald Duck getting people to volunteer to pay their income taxes. Yes volunteer. It was to help with the war effort during WW2. Wait - let me see if I can find that on youtube. Yup it's called The New Spirit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMU-KGKK6q8
Taxes were only required for a small amount of people - businesses. Not wage earners. They had to volunteer.
A most wars - ha.
Bullshit..low income have big screen tvs and get more gimmes than anyone else earns.
Most of those big screen TVs are stolen.
For awhile I lived on around 20k supporting me and my wife. So fuck your definition of poor. I worked my ass off just to get that. No fucking welfare.
You're talking welfare motherfucks. I'm talking people that work and don't make jack shit.
How does getting your paycheck sans taxes…instant bump…and only paying a tax when you buy something hurt you? I don’t feel like paying taxes today, I don’t go buy anything.
You're going to have to buy things sooner or later. Maybe it would work. Prob not anyhow. Everything .gov touches goes to hell in a handbasket.
However regardless of how we get taxed it will be ever increasing. The bastards are never satisfied.
We didn't even have an income tax until 1913. And look up the legal term for income. Wait - forget legal. The courts don't follow the law anyhow.
If everyone is getting taxed maybe poor people will stop supporting tax increases. They also be able to invest without getting raped. Essentially all saved money would be like an ira. It would massively increase poor people investing / saving / not being retarded. I would support abolishing the irs an replacing it with nothing. If that isnt a middle ground than there has to be a better way. The second you start exempting poor people then you're right back to having to give all ur info to an irs to prove income, file papers, an gov coming after those being untruthful.
That's interesting about poor people. lol. The .gov would just increase their benefits though. The excessive amount of taxation now is meant to break the middle class. If they have their way your be either poor or rich and not much in between. Except for a small technocrat class that does half way decent since they need them to run things.
Just so funny that until 1913 we didn't need direct taxation to keep things going.
The country was completely different 110 years ago. You can't realistically abolish income taxes.
Yeah, back then your primary concern was how to feed yourself and keep a roof over your head for shelter. You had to work to raise that food because there wasn't anyone else doing it for you.
You mean like half these worthless government agencies didn’t exist? The ones that consume our tax dollars and only make things worse?
Nah-nah...once power has been granted, whether willingly or without consequence, it will never be relinquished by them. Never.
Nope. Only by force.
They already have the power. We're trying to make it less stupid an wasteful.
I think a flat tax is fair. Everyone pays the same rate.
People would stop voting for stupid shit and spending.
Taxation is theft.
The IRS has their own court, and in the IRS court, you are presumed guilty.
Yup! Not IRS but dealt with the state tax board, and it was you owe us and its on you to prove you paid us that 13 years ago. Oh thats right no one keeps records past 7 years, but you still owe us with interest. They know its cheaper for people to just pay the shit than hire an attorney and fight them unless you got money...why they go after us plebs. Fuckin bullshit
My brother is a tax accountant. He told me that the IRS is so used to people not fighting back against them. That they don't even know the laws that they are enforcing.
Time to slip cash to the server. Keep a 1oz. silver coin handy for really good service... spot price for one is only $24 or so right now.
We all need to use cash more often anyway.
If you pay with a card and tip cash, make sure you write 0 on tip line on the actual receipt, not “cash” or some other shit.
When I served as a teen, we always put in zero for all cash tips, even if the bill was paid in cash. I never heard of anyone getting in trouble for it, but the restaurant used to make a half-assed effort to try and scare us into reporting it. Maybe that was CYA for them?
If the IRS finds a receipt that says “cash” in the tip line and you reported zero tip, I wouldn’t put it past them charging you 20% tip in income.
Those cocksucker motherfuckers.
People who tip with card are retards. You know they hardly see that money.
This is the best policy if you want your tip to go directly to the staff who gave excellent service.
A family member worked food service and the owner pooled the tips and divided them among staff based upon hours worked. Nothing to do with rewarding those who are going above and beyond. The only way they could be directly tipped is for the customer to put it in an envelope with the server's name on it. Most customers would never think of that.
I always tip with card. That way those D voting assholes can't hide the income.
At most restaurants the staff settle up with the house at the end of their shift for cash payments taken over credit card tips received; going home with cash-in-hand daily. $1000 in cash—200 of which are tips and 800 for the checks—and $300 on credit slips; the server gives the house the $800 less the $300 from credit tips totaling $500 and walking out with $500 in pocket (more like $400 after tipping out support staff). The IRS sees the $300 from credit cards, sure, but they also see the $800 cash sales and will assume you made at least $120 from that (and hold you to it). Hourly pay from the shift is probably $48-$85, all of which goes to tax withholdings, so on track for a $0 paycheck and still more owed on April 15th. Better to claim it all and prove your income to get loans and shit. You used to be able to write a lot off but it doesn’t really make sense now with standard deduction.
What you need to watch out for is “Service Charge” or Fee. The owner can dip into that however they like and the server probably won’t see much. Tip some cash if you can.
Also, you can ask if the restaurant has a “Tip Pool”. That means all tips are collected and dispersed among the staff based on hours. In that case a tip for great service will not directly benefit your server, but disperse to every tipped position even the food runner who forgot your extra ranch you asked for.
I was 18, living at home going to community college. I didn’t give a shit about loans or proving my income.
I only made it about six months before I said fuck this and found something better suited to my skill set.
Maybe it’s different at high end restaurants but at BigChainBarAndGrill Corp, if you busted your ass and worked Friday and Saturday night you were still only coming home with $500 in exchange for most of your weekend. The rest of the week was garbage, I don’t know how people make a career out of it.
The IRS could conduct a phone survey and if respondents say they tip 20% cash they can automatically change your income by that amount during audit without proof.
I worked at a place that got audited for low tips. The IRS basically told them if servers claimed 12% there wouldn’t be another audit. So that’s what we did.
Since I was pulling in just shy of 20% I was fine with it. Tax free money is awesome.
Notice they aren’t going for pizza delivery tips. The unspoken rule seems to be that the irs doesn’t want the drivers claiming mileage. My delivery jobs were tax free because of mileage claimed at tax time.
They don’t work that hard. What they will do, though, is calculate what servers at other restaurants in the area generating similar revenue at a similar price point are reporting, and hold your claimed income up against that.
Currently they follow the same model on a business level and force the employers to police tip claiming of staff by threat of audit. It’s already totally draconian.
So much this. If you're going out just grab some cash and always tip that way!! Tipped emps appreciate that immensely.
It’s more the sentiment, but it is very thoughtful.
Funniest shit of leaving commiefornia was the next year when we didn't file income taxes with the state of California....
We kinda didn't live there and closed our business before we left.
So they sent a letter stating we did not file with them the last year (1st full calendar year not a resident there) and they sent us an ASSUMED INCOME STATEMENT AND TAXES TO BE PAID.
Fucks made up a number my wife's dog training company in their view was expected to make and we were bound by that letter to pay it.
I simply wrote them back in all caps and bold font...
YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE FUCKER, IM A TEXAN, YOU CAN STOP WRITING ME OR ILL SUE YOU IN TEXAS COURTS
They then sent me a ballot for 2018 election even after I went in person to the San Diego registrar and got "confirmation" my voter registration was removed... of course it was a fat black lady (typical gov customer service employee, why??) and she barely looked at her computer screen and was more focused on her shitbox phone.
TL;DR: FUCK THE GOVERNMENT, NEVER TRUST THEM TO DO A SHIT THING RIGHT, EVER.
"Thank you for sending me verification of voter fraud you stupid fucking idiot."
Oh they get brazen. They don't even care anymore
So you're still voting in California?
I can! For whatever reason the registrar hasn't removed me after certified letters sent and I can still look me up on internet site for them and boom its there.
They say "if you don't vote in 4 presidential cycles it removes automatically" this after the no effort response from their customer service loser.
thats impressive. the moment i moved from WA they aggressively cancelled my voter registration. my wife still gets ballots mailed to her in AZ... lol...
I mean, between you and me... My step sister is a bartender and waitress, she can bring home like 500 a night or more. HOWEVER. If I can't charge tax on a service, the Government shouldn't be able to collect on income acquired via service.
fucking 1% servers
Anybody that serves Hillary won't be getting a tip.
From February 2000:
https://nypost.com/2000/02/17/hillary-eats-crow-apologizes-to-waitress/
I bet that waitress is now vaccinated.
Lol
And this is why I pay local businesses in cash, tip on cash, and in the rare event I’m in a corporate chain I use a credit card and then write “none of your business” on the reciept and leave the tip in cash.
It is none of the feds business what I gift a person.
I always tipped 30% in cash to get good service to any place I wanted to go back again. I think tip based is "fair" but it's also so cruel. & already knew gov r GOONS who love2abuse those tip based workers who actually have to do public service.
Disclaimer: i've never waited tables, not personal
I don’t eat out often (I don’t have the money to), but I always try to tip as much as I can. At least 10%.
I don’t eat out often (I don’t have the money to), but I always try to tip as much as I can. At least 10%.
T.I.P.
To Insure Promptness. The more you know.
Yeah, that’s about where my tip works out. I target 25% for the easy math and round up for even easier math lol.
You are a blessing and offset the $2 or 10% cunts (usually women dining with other women, I guess they didn’t actually feel that “omg, it was so great catching up!”).
I make $16/hr and I tip 20%.
Anything less than 15% and you're probably the kind of dick that goes around saying "they should be happy with their $2 I didn't have to give them anything"
I've lost friends over this. I don't and have never worked for tips. It's not some personal grudge about not getting tipped myself in my past. It's just what we DO in our country.
Not tipping, or under tipping is like refusing to shake hands or handing others a limp sausage handshake.
I don't care if the server is making $1 or $200/hr that night. I don't care if YOU make $1 or $200/hr.
If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out!
This is the goddamn USA and we tip goddamnit!
The service has to be pretty fucking bad for me not to tip. Like AGGRESSIVELY bad. Bad enough I leave before even eating anything.
If it's just eh I might lower to 15% and tell them I didn't like the service. But 15% is the STANDARD and you'd better have a damn good reason to tip less -- and "all they did was bring us our food" is not a damn good reason.
Besides if you're looking to make a server feel like shit for bad service, sometimes I tip them MORE while pointedly handing them the money.
They'll be thinking about that critique every dollar they spend. Say it politely and calmly and you'll really start living rent free in their head! -- Don't tip and you're just another asshole they'll quickly forget about.
Pay at least 15% for garbage service when it's not deserved? Sounds gay.
Give a restaurant your business where service is so shitty you don't want to tip? Sounds cucked.
Tipping is just displacement of labor cost onto customers. It's garbage for a garbage, useless profession that robots will eliminate in the next 5 years. Get an actual job.
Sounds Marxist.
The same government that rubber stamps 140 Billion dollars to some corrupt ex soviet republic is now going to make sure they get $0.36 out of every dollar Flo gets tipped.
And to think this country got started when King George rammed a 2% tax on tea down the colonists throats.
Good thing unelected bureaucrats can make laws now, theres no way either party would pass that legislation
The Tea Tax was an irritation, as was the Stamp Act. What really pushed them over the edge was the Quartering Act, which was so influential that it led to the Third Amendment.
American colonists didn't have representation in Parliament. If Parliament gave them their fair share of representatives, they likely would have never rebelled.
You do have representation in federal government. In fact, you keep voting to re-elect Republicans despite the fact that they haven't abolished the IRS taxes you hate whenever they are in power. Trump was president for two years with a Republican-controlled Congress.
Also, this may shock you, but some servers make very good money. Let's say you make $50,000 working in a cubicle, paying all your taxes, well, there's servers out there in a fancy restaurant clearing more than that in wages and tips and they're paying way less taxes than you if they report almost none of those tips.
A waitress living on the poverty line is going to get all of their tax deductions refunded anyway, if they report their tips. The IRS enforcing the tax law can't really hurt poor people, only criminals.
Too much competition for geriatric inbred pedophiles.
Just open up an establishment serving insects and watch what they do.
Better to serve food to insects than to leftists. At least the insects won't bitch about it being vegan or not.
Better to serve Leftists to insects.
And be happy.
They want insects to BE the food.
You'll get taxed for every leg and antennae you serve
Don't do that. You will kill the service industry.
How can you kill something that already is dead? No one wants to work in the service industry currently. Restaurants shut down left and right during 2020-21. Now most of the help is garbage.
Yeah, because no one is desperate enough to take the waitress job thanks to the attempt at UBI that completely screwed everything up.
You can make a ridiculous amount of quick money serving and bartending. It's especially phenomenal for college age kids. I made great money as a kid doing just that....unfortunately the cash was blown at the bars later that night normally lol.
I took a paycut on my first 'real' job after waiting tables. If you're willing to work hard in a busy restaurant without many Canadians you can easily pull 30 bucks an hour or more waiting tables.
Those damn French Canadians
My husband does customer service and deals with canuks. THEY'RE ALL ASSHOLES. The whole Canadians are so nice is such a farce.
I suspect there are two kinds of Canadians being discussed in this sub-thread.
So, in restaurants, black people are referred to as French Canadians so you can talk about it out loud. Such as "fuck. I got a table of French Canadians. They never tip". Even the black waiters get in on it because it's true
We called them Germans. Same complexion, though.
Dated a chick that worked at a nice restaurant in a "rich" part of town. Came home with $300 cash in tips nightly (untaxed) plus her minimum wage pay. This was 16 years ago or so...
Yup. Knew people that worked at some of the Disney restaurants, they'd pull in over 300 a night, and this was over 10 years ago.
I made $2.84 hourly but was taking home about $2-300 on weekends and $50-100 on weekdays in 4hr shifts (some were duds too though). If I worked a double it was usually way better. Shit I had one day where i worked 3 events on our food truck and took in a grand (although most of that went to my paycheck and was taxed).
This was 5 years ago.
You didn't want that. What you wanted was to be paid $15/h with no tips.
At least, that's what I've been told you want by the left.
Funny enough I worked as a salary manager at McDonald's and made way less, worked more hours and got that bullshit Chinese overtime.
That was about 14/hr and absolute trash. Way better working for tips and not managing a bunch of retards and disrespectful customers.
Good AOC dig, but probably not. That isn’t an outlandish take-home from a decent establishment.
Same with delivering pizza. I worked at a family run place in college, i made more on a friday or saturday night from tips than a paycheck working there full time. It was great. All of Vegas runs on tips, from the concierge to the waitresses.
Yeah, my brother delivered pizzas during a summer and made some killer money and had some crazy stories. Haha. It's pretty crazy what chicks will do to try and get free pizzas.
I worked in the nightclubs you came to after work. So I blew all those wads of cash drinking the next day. Man, if I invested half of what I spent on drinking I would honestly be retired by now.
Dude, I've literally thought the same thing. I served in restaurants and also bartended. Ten years ago, it was super easy to make $150 in 3-4 hours of work and then go spend $100 right after. It's definitely a different lifestyle. When I was 18-22, it almost felt like if I went out to a club or higher end bar after work, I had to buy higher end booze to look like I was hanging with actual high rollers lol.
Just so we are taking the same language, great money means more than $500,000 a year, right? I mean that’s getting by. I guess a few million a year is good money.
Lol, no dude. Great money relative to the work that you have to do. It's easy to pull $50,000/yr working 30 hours per week (serving). Bartenders can easily pull $100k or more. Obviously that's wouldn't be good money in a place like San Fran or New York, but in the midwest, it makes a person comfortable...especially a college age kid.
I blame only fans
Truth
Can you blame them though? With inflation what it is, those kinds of jobs can only pay minimum wage, in some cases less than minimum wage plus tips.
Service industry jobs are dead, they just don't know it yet.
They're letting out a painful screech right now as they clamor for ANYBODY that will show up and work for 8 bucks am hour doing physically and mentally grueling work with no benefits, often for a boss that demands 50 dollar/ hour work ethic.
Those memes you see right now with "everybody wants 20/ hour woth a 3/hour work ethic"? Yea, those are from corporate bootlickers who don't even understand basic things like inflation.
When it's turned into the opposite.
Employers are demanding 20/hour work for 8 bucks an hour.
And you see what's happening. Those industries likely have 5 years left if they don't adapt at best.
But I also don't know how many of them will adapt if they aren't large corporate franchises.
McDonald's can afford to cut back in profits to course correct.
Mom and pop cannot.
I believe $41,000/yr is what you can get in handouts (poorest states), places like CA it's over $100k. I'm shocked any of those service sector jobs can get anyone for under $20/hour at this point...they're still hiring at $12/hr here and might have 2-3 people working at one time
I'm not sure if its COVID or weed legalization (both happened bout the same time in MI) but holy shit is service bad these days. Don't even bother with take out, your order will be wrong. Eating in they'll fuck up your order too but at least that way you can send it back.
Yes, I worked in food service as a kitchen staffer and a manager and there are very few people I would hire to do that work now.
Everything is getting worse --service, food, work ethic...
Servers at even mid-range restaurants make a decent living, mostly because of tips. Compared to the current federal minimum wage of $7.25/hr, it is no contest, in favor of being a restaurant server who earns tips.
The feds have been all about taxing these tips for years. Time to jettison the IRS.
In my state it's $2.25 minimum wage for waiter jobs. They applied that to pizza delivery as well, and now there's no incentive to deliver pizza anymore.
The pizza joint isn’t required to only pay $2.25. Blame cheap pizzeria owners.
Good employees gave up gigs and serving for more stable jobs
Most of these jobs were supposed to be STARTER jobs not Living Wages.
As they should. But in my younger years when I was serving and bartending, there were plenty of great "lifers". Servers in the midwest could easily pull $50k. Bartenders could easily double that.
Machines will take over the service industry
Please do. I'm sick of the rude bitch that works the Whataburger window at 3 AM.
Why the fuck are you there at 3AM? Go to bed.
Alcohol
It could be alcohol, I do conceed.
But at 3 am, it also could be weed...
Or could be 18. I never drank or smoked at that age but I was routinely up until 3am. Still can't quite wrap my head around how I did it back then.
Or could be working late/night shift.
Double that age, but I do still feel 18. Ish. You're right. I just work a lot. But remotely. If I wasn't up late, I just unfortunately wouldn't be able to fit in all that needs doing. Plus I do a lot of my work at night so I can spend time with my kids during the day after school.
It's definitely weed.
Who the hell is smoking weed at 3AM? Mine knocks me out no later than 12AM most of the time much sooner.
I don't drink much. Once and a while I'll throw down a couple girl drinks on special occasions, such as a whiskey sour.
I work a lot. Those are my peak hours.
Stop going to corporate chain restaurants and go to bed at a reasonable hour?
Lots of judgmental comments on here. Some people have legitimate jobs where you would be eating lunch at 3am, like you know hospitals and all the logistics companies that deliver your Chinese junk to your door step over night. And how bout the folks that stock grocery stores. Deliver product to grocery stores etc.
There is a lot that goes on in the middle of the night that most people just take for granted. It's not just degenerates and criminals out at that hour.
I only sleep about 2-3 hours at a time, then im up and usually hungry. Nothing nefarious, just dont sleep consistently.
My husband has broken sleep and always wakes up hungry. Turns out the sleep deprived tend to over eat.
Guy replied a couple down that it’s because he’s out getting sauced all night which is the only reason I said that. I did my time on overnights.
If I were working at 3am with a belligerent drunk I’d be even less polite.
I work a lot. If you prefer to grow your own shit and raise your own animals for food then that's fine, but I don't.
Doh, I misread the thread, thought your reply to why was “alcohol” but that was a different user. My bad and my apologies.
I did nights, wouldn’t have said shit if I didn’t think you’d brazenly said you were there because you were out drinking all night.
But yeah, I do prefer to grow my own food and raise my own animals, not that I don’t appreciate those who do it for a living. Anyway, I’m just going to shut up and eat crow now lol.
Tax the machines!
I can see that one person with the exactly wrong accent yelling at the ordering speaker because it keeps misunderstanding them with much hilarity from the outside.
You have overestimated the appeal of automatons.
Its already dead. This will sweep the leg
"Strike First, Strike Hard - No Mercy!"
-The IRS
It seems like every time I go out to eat I get the shits now, in a big way. I've found that my woman is a farrrrrrrrr better cook and I'm extremely spoiled to eat the way I do.
Tipping as a practice must end now. That's the only answer here, but I know biden would never have the stones to do something like that.
Most restaurants mandate "tip pooling" anyway, so you can bust your ass as a waiter and your tips at the end of the night wont be better than the loser who didn't take many tables and played on his phone in the kitchen. In those restaurants, the tips all get rolled into your paycheck and you get withholding on them.
What's this "rule" going after anyway? Only very small outfits let you keep your own tips in cash these days.
I worked for one of those tip pooling communist restaurants. They even shared the tips with the kitchen staff. So the illegals who couldn't speak English I had to share my tips with. Because the owner was too cheap to pay them a little extra. Owners were Jews BTW.
I'm not too sour tho that was years ago. And also i kept so many tips I didn't turn in at the end of my shift. I never kept big bills from sketchy customers because they would set us up sometimes to try and catch us. But I probably kept a few thousand worth of tips I should have turned in.
I even had people ask me if I got to keep the whole tip. Because the customer didn't want me to share it they wanted me to keep it because they said no one else helped them and I was the only good employee. I told them that they can call it a personal gift if my manager asked them. Those customers were my favorite. I remember one getting angry for me saying what bullshit kind of communism is tip sharing anyways.
Yea lesson learned. But I did rip him off for alot over the few years I was there.
TIp pooling is pretty much standard these days, except real small time places - and those places you have to work a lot harder because they usually lack staff.
Is it?
Back in my day we kept all our tips. But if you were an asshole and didn't tip your busboy and the kitchen on your own you were basically fucking yourself. I'd drop 50 in the busboys hand on a good night and cash all around the kitchen. My tables were cleared quick and the food came out insanely fast compared to the cheap ass waiters which meant even more money for us all.
It's almost like.. hard work and teamwork pays.
I'm fine with tip pooling as long as it's done correctly. Like it shouldn't be shared with the kitchen staff. They don't ever even deal with customers face to face so it doesn't matter because the food is a fixed price. The tip is to encourage prompt service.
So if there's 3 other servers on shift. I don't mind sharing tips with them as much if we're not assigned tables. We used to share tables so the tip pool kept us from sniping all the tips. Someone else does most of the serving and takes the orders and you just can't come up to bus the table and keep that tip all to yourself. I was okay with that concept. But I where I worked, we were literally sharing our tips with the people who weren't even at work that day.
Also I'm pretty certain the owners/management skimmed from our tips. How would anyone know? They just collect all this cash every day, then count it themselves and we are just supposed to trust that they gave it all back to us. I was also certain every other server was pocketing some tips and not turning it all in at the end of shift. So naturally I did it too. I'm not about to be the sucker.
The tip skimming is a big problem, to the point most states have specific laws about it
I worked for a tip pooled restaurant and did really well. I made like $400/night and the tip pooling was nice because there was no weird animosity about servers helping other servers or table sharking. What fucked me was when the city did a mandatory $15/hr min wage and the restaurant decided to institute an 18% service charge on every check and then an “optional tip “ field. They weren’t legally allowed to touch our tips, but the service charge wasn’t a tip. So of course we got barely any tips and then my pay was pretty much cut in half, along with the added stress of “we need to send someone home, we can’t afford this wasted payroll” — didn’t take long for the restaurant to shut down after that
This is where everything is headed too; if not automated and self service.
Fees are the business’s discretion, TIPS have legal protections. Everyone shouting “end tipping!” doesn’t know what they are asking for—the extinction of good service.
My wife had to pay out to the bartender even if her table didn't order any alcohol.
And to the busboys who were making regular hourly pay.
False.
I don’t think we are in any position to beg at the moment
A lot more than that.
What is the modern equivalent of tea (imported semi luxury item)? iPhones?
Future history book “The San Francisco iPhone party of 2023 is widely accepted as the catalyst of the second revolution. Patriots boarded a container vessel and yeeted (popular slag at the time for “throw”) thousands of iPhones into the Harbour. Bill Gates was captured later that same week and was rectally gored on the flagpole outside his fraudulent and nefarious charity.”
The entire point was bullshit taxes coupled with a complete and utter lack of representation. At this point we are already there with literally everything. We have zero representation and therefore all of our taxes should be zero.
IRS agent #68,543 has readied xis side arm and would like to talk.
You spelled “bodies” wrong.
Someone flew a plane into an irs office once.
Goodbye, restaurant industry.
Nah. The "tipping" scam, where restaurants could pay a lower wage than minimum to waiters, is pretty much moot now.
The "tip" you leave doesn't go in the waiter's pocket, it goes to the restaurant and supposedly they pool it and divide it up among the waiters and it ends up getting taxed anyway - but there's literally no way as a waiter to verify the amount left in tips adds up to what you see in your paycheck.
It doesn't matter anymore, because so few customers pay in cash. It's just a revenue stream for the restaurants at this point.
Not everyone requires the pooling of tips. Sure, the bar might get a cut and the busboy but some are directly compensated for a job well done.
Maybe some small time places still do that, but that's exceedingly rare nowadays. Even back when I was waiting tables, my buddy worked at Red Lobster and told me all about it.
You heard it boys, this guy's friend worked at red lobster, and that's the end of it.
Still a more reliable source than those mysterious “experts”
Confirmed by someone familiar with the Cheddar Bay Biscuits
Yup, it's more and more common to pool all the tips and then split them, etc.
Now days jobs will literally say $19 an HOUR.
And then turn around and be like, well... it's not exactly 19 an hour.. it's 10 plus tips...
Ah, lies then.
The problem of pay should not fall onto the customer who is already fucking paying.
If a customer wishes to tip, that's fine. But this tip 'culture' bullshit, it needs to be done away.
Plus more places are moving to a model where you order up front, then go take a seat and they bring your food out to you and you refill your own drinks, or go up to the counter to order another. At this point is it just the "food runner" who gets the tip? Because they expect a tip when you pay.
But I'm tipping on an unknown service. I just ordered, I have no idea what the service is going to be like. How can I determine how much I want to tip yet?
Complete horse shit.
These type of “fast-casual” places I’ve run, the tips share between front and back of house employees. I find it works very well. Gives everyone skin in the game for attentiveness, speed, accuracy, etc.
Full service restaurants that Tip Pool are stupid, though. It’s a totally different guest experience people are looking for, paying for, and expecting. Wait staff serve the product that the house specializes in, yes, but facilitates special requests or off menu dishes with the kitchen and ultimately works for the guest and takes ownership of their time at the table and trying to earn repeat business as regulars.
Take away the direct tipping and the incentive for excellence is gone completely. Zero ownership beyond the bricks and mortar.
Yeah especially now that all the restaurants are implementing those handheld Point-of-sale tablets. Any restaurant using that type of technology, is 100% pooling tips. Even the new small eateries near me are using those. It's annoying. I literally had a BBQ restaurant unable to break my 100 dollar bill in the middle of a busy lunch service. I wanted to bitch but I didn't want to be rude. She made it sound like i was inconveniencing her, when it's their damn job to be able to make change for cash sales. 2 person meals are now 30-50 dollars and you can't break a 100 during a busy lunch service? And this wasnt coming out of the waiters pocket, this was where you pay at the front where they keep a cash register. I'm still mad about it lol.
Now that everyone is paying their bill in cash, there’s zero chance the waiters are taking home their tips. It all ends up in their paycheck with Tex withheld. I don’t see this policy doing much.
I've literally never worked at, or even know someone who works at, a restaurant that does tip pooling.
That’s a load of shit bro. Tip pooling is ubiquitous now. You will be very hard pressed to find a restaurant that doesn’t tip pool today. VERY hard pressed.
My last restaurant job was less than 12 months ago. I have multiple friends still in the industry.
Tip with cash. It is always appreciated. I used to claim zero cash tips every night, but yes you are screwing over your coworkers because you're supposed to pay out 3% and 4% to bussers and hostesses out of your total sales. Maybe some to the bartender as well. So if you tip zero on bad service, that waiter is now paying 7-8% of your meal to the other workers. It's kind of fucked up. Nobody aspires to be a waitress. It's a job to make ends meet for people that are desperate, and so exploited.
I liked waiting tables in college. I worked at a locally owned little restaurant right by campus and made a lot of cash tips. I bussed my own tables and there was no hostess. It was a nice little gig and kept me current on my bills and well fed. I liked the job, I’d get into my rhythm and just knock tables out and before I knew it my shift was over and people would almost always be happy.
TAX THE RICH! or something
Remember how they boast about "only the rich get audited" by the extra 80,000 IRS agents?
Then they do shit like this.
That's exactly how tyranny works
They'll go after small independent businesses, not the employees.
Even though the facts show that is untrue. It is mostly us, not the rich.
This tip tax will only impact waitresses & waiters earning over $400,000 a year. Not a joke!
So just AOC, then?
I'll never tip again in my life.
Tip in cash. Into the pocket it goes out from under uncle sam's nose
Cash? They have a climate friendly, non racist plan for that ..
came here to say "I'll never tip again, then" but this is the right answer. I'll be sure to carry cash specifically for tipping. Until that's outlawed. Then maybe switch to PMs... or ammo...
Tip in 5.57
What's 5.57?
It’s just .223 cents shy of a real tip, which is 7.62
This isn't that common core, toilet paper math, is it?
KEK!
^
Derp. Don’t reply and drive kids.
Was getting bummed, thinking I stockpiled a buttload of 5.56, when I could have had 5.57, lol
Uncle Samuel Bank-Fried-Man?
Yeah most employees already know about the credit card thing and report most of not all of those numbers.
Cash tips are the way around this.
This ship mostly sailed like 20 years ago when credit card tips were funneled into pay checks.
I havent tipped in years. Unrelated: gifts are not taxable.
But scorpion, I voted for you, why did you sting me with this?
The scorpion says "You fool, I identify as a snake!"
We're no going after anyone making less than $400k per year, they said.
Even when I pay with a credit card, I ALWAYS tip with cash at least 20%. I often write on the bill - "Terrible service" to provide additional cover for my waitress/bartender.
Lol. I don't know how fair of a tradeoff that is. "Here's a tip, now I'm gonna tell your job you suck"
Managers know the game. Most of them started on the floor/behind the bar.
Every restaurant I’ve ever worked in required you to check out or settle up with a manager at the end of the shift and go over your receipts. While a cash tip is generous, I’m sure the subterfuge is not necessary and looks terrible to management.
That’s why I just put a slash through the tip portion and quietly hand over cash and emphasize “This is for you.”
Most service staff know that as a sign of “This isn’t support to go in your pool, this is specifically for you, the person that waited my table.”
My managers never gave a damn. They observed me with my customers.
I worked at Dominos for 8 years. We once hired a guy that insisted on claiming his cash tips, when everyone claimed zero. He was let go within weeks.
Maybe spell service with a $ so the managers are tipped off that it wasn't legitimately bad service
"Mr. Czar, it appears you've underreported your tips for the last seventeen months. Why is that?"
"I'm a shitty waiter. Fuck you."
Seriously. Prove to me that my service went above and beyond the norm. I can show you some Yelp reviews that disprove your argument.
Good for the IRS. I'm sick of these billionaire waitresses making billions of tax-free dollars. Thank goodness for the 87,000 new IRS agents to go after these billionaires..
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
Go ahead piss off your biggest voter base.
Voting... cute
right...
81 million cuties. Record amount! Even more cuties than fagflix.... we're already off the cliff
blue no matter who bro
pppsh, waiters don't give a shit about tips anymore. It all goes to the store and gets withheld on their paycheck now. The waiters don't get the amount you give them, it all goes into a pool and divided up among them on their paycheck.
My daughter worked her butt off as a server while in high school. They depend upon tips because the base salary was low. Servers need every cent they can earn. I’m sick of the government gouging this group of people - in fact, gouging all of us.
Yea man, we're all getting fucked. They just found a way to get at a lot of untaxed money from servers. And the IRS is dangerous as fuck if you don't follow the rules. Which in turn will drive an already dying industry fully into the ground.
World is great right now haha
The base salary is low because they get tips. If they didn’t earn enough in tips, the business would still have to pay the mandated minimum wage
Yes. That’s why tips are so important to servers.
If you can always tip in CASH!
When you collect 0 tip, the IRS charges a min rate on the bill, so they are taxed at a MIN whether you really do tip or not
And the restaurant watches them very closely to ensure they're not pocketing the tips. They are required to pool all tips, cash and credit. There's no place left that lets you walk home at the end of the night with your own tips.
Wrong. There are a few left. Not many, but a few.
I'm gonna miss going out to restaurants/bars
In support of restaurant workers, I’ll increase my tip from 5% to 6%
found the euro
It's not a tip then...it's a gift.
"Muh 'bortions! Reeeeee!"
I’d honestly rather just be charged 15% more than do the tip dog and pony show.
I’m torn. Two things I equally hate. Taxes and US tip system. Let them destroy each other.
You say that but it’s been tried. There was a movement in the industry about 15 years ago.
Those establishments are out of business.
How many lib women voted for Biden? Most waiters are women, so here you go. You voted for this.
Lol back in the day I worked as a server, I claimed like 10% or less of my cash tips. But back then most paid by cash.
I oppose taxes as much as anyone, especially income taxes, and I hate the IRS. having said that... shouldn't waitresses have to report income and pay taxes just like everyone else?
what happened to the, they will only go after the people over 400k a year?
Communists do whatever the fuck they want because you can't do shit about it. And until people start realizing this mentality, they deserve to be squashed like the slaves they are.
Did they ever say that though? I thought they say they wouldn’t raise the taxes of those under that. So this and reporting Venmo transactions allows them to bleed you dry while still upholding the “well we didn’t raise the tax rate”
How about you leave them alone.
Naw, fuck that. Make them dumb bitches pay out the ass. The democrat base should get a front row seat. Maybe they'll stop voting for assholes.
This is why I always tip cash, putting $0 in the tip line on the receipt even when paying with plastic. They want to pocket the $5 I just gave them and not tell anyone? Fine by me.
Tip in cash when possible
I'm already avoiding restaurants that have started virtue bullying with 20%+ tips. This additional government interfering will result in more aggressive tipping expectations and more people just staying home and cooking for themselves.
Tell me about it. So annoying to see them print the tip amounts on the receipts at 18%, 20%, and 22%.
It never ends with this asshole screwing every hard working American
Back to tipping with cash….
Crack down on service industry tips..,Crack down…CRACK DOWN!
Do restaurant workers really make enough money on tips to affect what they pay in federal income tax? I've never met a wealthy waitress.
At Waffle House, no. At Fleming’s, yes.
Tell your server that when we leave, we want to shake your hand. Don’t be upset because we didn’t put a tip on the card, but we really want to shake your hand to show you our appreciation. Wink wink nudge nudge say namore.
I've been completing online surveys for 15+ years with e-Rewards. If I am allowed to complete the survey, I get a small amount for doing so. If the survey is ended early because my responses aren't to their liking, or they are redundant, I get a partial credit. The small amounts (rewards) I receive are only available to be redeemed for gift cards from companies such as Amazon, Target, Domino's, PetSmart, and others. For example, if I want to order a $25 PetSmart gift card, I have to pay $75 from my reward money. You can only redeem the cash in your account for gift cards every 30 days, or 90 days, depending on the restrictions set for that specific gift card. In all the years I've been doing this, I have never had to report any of it on my tax returns. As of 2022, if my earnings are over $600, I will receive a 1099-NEC (non-employee compensation) form that I have to include in my earnings. On the 1099-NEC form I just received, it says I made $805 last year from doing these surveys, but I have no way of verifying if Dynata, LLC's numbers are correct. I get no separate statement from them regarding the surveys I complete, or the amount I earned for each survey, and the survey site only allows you to go back 30-60 days to see the surveys you completed, and the amount you received.
I complete my taxes every year myself since I don't have anyone other than myself to claim, nor own anything, no investments, nothing. I have a pension and social security income. I mail my paper form into the IRS...always get a refund. I'm having a dickens of a time trying to figure out how to report this additional income on my 1040 form. From what I can figure out, I have to use Schedule C, along with Schedule 1, and include the amount on my 1040 form. I'm simply going to fill them out as well as I can, and send the whole shebang to the IRS. The IRS will have to figure it all out once they get the paperwork. I can't imagine how long it will take me to get my refund this year with this additional paperwork. Last year I mailed my 1040 form (with just my pension 1099 form attached) on February 8th, and instead of getting my refund in the usual 4-6 weeks, it took 6 months. They paid me $12.82 in interest, which I have to claim on this year's taxes. Hope I'm still alive by the time my lousy refund gets to me after all this new horseshit. If anybody has any advice about the forms I need to fill out, I'd appreciate it, since I haven't been able to locate a precise answer via repeated searches. The searches are geared more for the company's requirement to issue the 1099-NEC, and for people who complete their taxes online.
Sorry I can't help you with the 1099-NEC problem. Just wanted to share the misery on waiting 6 months for a return when not filing electronically. Recently, on the radio, they were talking about how the IRS handles those paper returns. They hire someone to HAND TYPE THEM INTO THEIR SYSTEM. They aren't even using scanners yet! Hope you can get an answer to your question.
Thanks for your reply. I filled out the Schedule C form, and listed the $805 I got in reward money/gift cards in the option: "Activity engaged in not for profit." If the IRS doesn't like it...tough shit. It's been added in to my adjusted income total, so they shouldn't complain. The thing I don't understand is the company won't send you a 1099-NEC form if they reward you less than $600, so why do you have to list the full $805 on the form, and not simply report the difference of $205? In other words, I can get $599 in rewards for doing surveys for the year, and not have to report it to the IRS because the company is not required to issue the 1099-NEC form for anything less than $600, but if I get $805, I have to report the whole thing. I might be missing something, but it makes no sense to me.
I'm 75, and have always filed a paper return. Never had to wait so long for my return all those years, until last year. Besides hiring someone to hand type those returns into their system, I think they process the returns for people who have to pay first, so they can get their grubby fingers on the money as soon as possible.
They are already paid shit wages it’s like 1/2 of minimum wages because “tips”. Fucking crazy