It just goes to show, they haven't been fucked over by some petty fag dude in some supposed uniform sitting on the side of the road as these pedo elites rape children.
But he will pull your ass over for a broken light, 5 miles over the speed limit or because he fucking felt like it.
The cops are the direct enforcement body of a corrupt, illegitimate, and malicious regime. To trust them is dangerous. To worship them is fucking insane.
And traffic stops are the least of your worries. They can completely ruin your life in seconds.
Oh you forgot about that 30 round magazine in your range bag and didn't know the law recently changed. A cop at the range sees it and wants to inspect it. Now you're a felon!!
our town had 2 cops, we knew them we trusted them. now town grew, department is big now, don’t really trust them when there are many and they pull you over for few miles over
And it’s always the same dudes who rant about “durka doo they ain’t never gona take my guns away! They’ll have pry my 1911 from my cold dead fingers and I swear I’ll take those bastards with me!”
They were mostly raised in a generation where the cops were.. uhh.. better, st least, than they are now.
And these morons will bootlick and worship them to their grave, because it's better than admitting the world has changed and left them behind, and the country they knew and loved no longer exists.
To me, the bootlicking is a desperate attempt at burying ones head in the sand, pathetically trying to convince other people and yourself, that pur society hasn't become a corrupt shithole. Because if you csn convince everybody including yourself. That "its just a couplenof bad apples" then ypu don't have to admit the truth of the world. And you csn tell yourself that you're terrified and scared for no reason, and you can talk yourself into being less scared.
It's like being in a car wreck, and right before you slam into a wall at 100mph, you tell yourself and the passengers rhst it's okay, everyone is going to be fine we've got airbags and safety belts. It's not a big deal.
And then, of course, an engine block goes through your chest.
The vast majority of these bootlicker neocons are boomers and GenX who definitely did grow up, as you said, in a time with better cops. And sadly they won't accept the insane corruption and weaponization of enforcement entities until it directly impacts their own life.
I'll repeat the 30 round mag example because it's something that has happened irl. Older guy is at the range using a 30rd mag that was recently made illegal. Cop at the range asks to see it and then arrests the guy. 40 years ago the cops says "hey John this thing is illegal...put it away for me and leave it at home next time". Now they throw John in the squad car, pile on the charges, while only worrying about their pension the whole time.
Yep, it's absolutely insane to me that people are allowing this sort of abuse to happen.
That example is a perfect illustration of the overreach and outright tyranny these enforcers are committing at the orders of power hungry politicians, without even a fucking single shred of thought between them before doing it.
They're ALL now using the excuse of "I'm just doing my job" as if that has ever worked. It's never been a valid excuse, I don't know why people keep trying it.
If your job tells you to cover someone in gas and light them on fire, are you going to do that?
They might say, "of course not, that's different" but I come back with, how is it any different? You're committing great injustice against people for no reason other than your job told you to, there is no moral grounding for it, there is no logical grounding for it, you're literally harming other people because someone told you to.
How is that any different than setting someone on fire?
They try and pile up excuses of how that's not comparable, and I come back with - well it wouldn't be comparable if you're saying something like, setting someone on fire verses sending them a letter that is sternly worded. Those things aren't even in the same universe.
But when you start arresting people and putting them in prison, for something that was legal yesterday that suddenly a politician has declared a felony with the stroke of a pen, that ISN'T EVEN MORALLY QUESTIONABLE, then my god, how in the world is that NOT in the same realm as setting someone on fire?
If you have a 30 round magazine in your range bag, that you've used and it's never been a problem, and nobody has ever been harmed from it, you've never done anything wrong - but suddenly a politician made it illegal, and you go and arrest someone and put them in prison for it?
What justification can there possibly be for that, outside of "I'm just doing what I'm told"?
There isn't any.
And I cannot support ANYONE that "just does their job" in that sort of situation, with that sort of institutional power they carry, who can't think for themselves and use moral judgement.
But this, of course, is by design.
The mass exodus of cops leaving the service happened several years back, but it got REALLY bad in the last like 4-5 years.
I remember when they started going on youtube and talking to their phone, in their squad cars, talking about how bad their leadership is and how badly they've started to just fuck people over and how they can't stand by any longer.
That wave happened in like 2015-ish. There was one in Portland I still remember - he was an army ranger, who served in afghanistan. Then came home and was working as a cop and the amount of shit he saw, he was saying was more corrupt than even Afghanistan police.
What do you think happened? His leadership just got pissed and fired him.
Not because he was wrong, but because he didn't follow orders.
Along with all the ones like him. Over the next few years, they started to outright fucking PURGE anyone woh wouldn't blindly follow orders, and only hired people to replace them who would.
Look at the situation now - the only ones left from when it was "still okay" are ones waiting to time out on retirement. Guys who had in, say, 20 some years and just need to work until retirement age so they can get out. And those guys aren't doing anything now. They just go hide and dick off all day.
As they all get replaced, they're starting now to even try and push legislation to allow non citizens to be fucking police.
Why do you think that is?
Becuase the politicians, the people in power, the people working in offices of institutional authority, they WANT a compliant police force that WILL arrest you and make you into a felon for something that was completely legal until they themselves signed a pen and made it illegal.
They don't WANT them to think for themselves or question orders.
And you have to ask yourself why that would be? What kind of things could they have planned for our future if that's what they're building??
As they all get replaced, they're starting now to even try and push legislation to allow non citizens to be fucking police.
This is the marxist's greatest dream. Build an enforcement entity that will never ask questions, that will always follow orders no matter how vile, that has no connection to this country and therefore doesn't care, and that actively hates white people and patriots.
Once they establish this force and can guarantee that the cops will follow any order they give, then they will do absolutely anything they want
I understand the utter frustration with the way things are going. There is a lot of hope and good people fighting these things.any will not comply with these unlawful orders. My youngest son has multiple officers that coach and they all are great guys. They have straight said they won't comply with them and don't agree with them. I live in a red county very blue state but many of our sheriff's have already stated loudly that this bs won't be followed.
There is no use doom and glooming. Keep talking to those folks and see what they actually have to say. There are shitty people everywhere in every industry.
I likeDoug Stanhopes take " I support troops, officers on an individual basis"
It is Hegelian dialectics, and it is pathetic. Until people on the right fully understand this, we will continue getting our dick kicked in. At least, more and more here seem to understand this which is promising
Good point. And yes, more and more people here are coming to realize the truth about the enforcement entities in this country.
It pains me that just a few years back, the majority of conservatives were clamoring "just comply and the cops won't hurt you". Granted this was in regards to blacks committing acts of violence. However, what happens when the "just comply" is in regards to your 2A rights.....just food for thought
I'd be more worried about the cops than the military. Most of the good cops are gone so were left with diversity hires that won't hesitate to shoot you. If shtf and the higher upside told pfc. Shitbrick to open fire on his fellow Americans he would hesitate. That hesitation can mean the difference between life and death and is sometimes all you need. Keep your head on a swivel and till next time pedes!🐸🇺🇸
There are way too few cops. Seriously look at the numbers. Plus cops usually live not far from their community so at some point they are going to be assaulting someone they know.
Pay attention to how EU did it to the yellow vests. What we'll have is more like Canadian troops handling incapacitation during the martial blackout. No constitutional crisis needed at all.
Good thing Canada isn't comfy with Chinese assets on their soil or smuggling shady vials to a certain not-to-blame biolab. (/s)
During Hurricane Katrina, they had to pull police officers from all over the country to even begin to clamp down on New Orleans. It took weeks for that to happen. I remember thinking, damn, they really don’t have the manpower for a Martial law full lockdown.
That is what I believe the Chinese shock troops are for. That is why they have barracks built on US soil.
They're fine in a 1 on 1 traffic stop. It's just when you get them as a group of jump-out boys you need to worry that compliance and politeness won't help you.
Not sure about my sheriff. When Covid hit they posted to social media that they will not be enforcing any mask mandates or anything related.
That’s a good sign at least.
Sheriff's are better than city cops since they are elected where city cops work for the mayor/ city council. I travel America on foot so I have a lot of contact. Most LEO's are good guys working a fucked up job. The small amount of bad ones are really bad since they hold so much power. Agree about dealing with them in a group though. They will automatically become gang like and fuck you up in a gnarly situation. I generally avoid them when possible but sometimes I've gone to Sheriff's and Staties to ask for a 'courteous ride ' since I pay their salary and already paid for the gas.
My outcomes with them on a one on one are generally good although when I was drunk trouble happened. I have warrants all over the Country since I never pay fines. Its legal to be drunk in public in many states and if I was polite I would get a ride out of the county or to the next gas station/ truck stop / rest area. Granted I'm not " most people " so my experience is not the norm. Have had plenty of resisting charges since I automatically react if someone puts their hands on me when I'm drunk but realize oh shit this is a cop - comply or get shot. Have had only one jogger in Philly point a pistol at me but have had cops do it many times. As we go forward we will see who is an Oath Breaker.
If you live in a liberal shithole, the sheriff can be your worst enemy. Live in a based area, he will shield you from the state and feds. He is elected and answers to his constituents.
Where are there sheriff's in liberal shitholes? Curios. St Louis is weird where they have County Police - first time I experienced that and STL is horrible. I would think sheriff's are in more red areas. I get what you are saying though. Had some bad experiences with cops in California but also got a ride from a CHP that was super cool. Gave me a ride to the cannabis dispensery which was funny enough.
Sheriffs are responsible for all unincorporated areas of a county as well as those small cities without a city police force. They are elected by the people that live in the boundaries of the county. They are beholden to their constituents.
Incorporated areas have a city police force with a chief appointed by the mayor. They are beholden only to the public officials.
State police leadership is appointed by the governor and beholden to public officials of the state level.
Thanks . That explains why my best experiences are with sheriff's and state troopers. In a very small town in Florida panhandle around Christmas the local cop stopped me walking through town at night. And them brought me to the gas station and said " get whatever you want!"
Its important to always operate in the context of individuals. No monoliths.
regardless of my explanation, when it comes down to it, law enforcement exists to protect the "state" and its institutions and has no duty to aid the population (based on a court ruling in NY state I believe). Also, they have a duty to themselves to protect their pensions regardless of the oaths to the constitution they have taken. I am no longer a thin blue fag and the only support I give them is on a individual or department basis, such as the instance a while back when a Sheriff deputy arrested an ATF agent overstepping his bounds. Or the sheriffs in Commiefornia that state their county is a 2A sanctuary.
I've worked for many different organizations, public and private, and not a single one was clean top to the bottom. I'm pretty sure every organization has some amount of rot to it, the only difference is how emboldened and egregious they are with it.
That's debatable man. I think there will be enough people that still bleed red white and blue to make something happen.
Keep in mind. The faggots at the top aren't the ones putting their lives on the line. Those that are will stop doing so when they aren't sure if they'll return home, as they kiss their wife and kids goodbye in the morning.
It's all about getting people to fall in line. That's all it is. On both sides. Enough outliers, with enough Intel and supplies, can stop a lot of things from getting off the ground.
It's not really debatable at all. Recent history has shown that there are no militias waiting in the woods to stop tyranny. It's a myth that we've all been telling ourselves to feel better.
The truth is - tyranny is a slow process; death of a thousand paper cuts. And when we don't stand up to the first one, the second one is pushed that much easier. Tyranny gains momentum.
The second truth is it's on each of us - not all of us. There will not be enough people that will stand up. It will be solely on you to defend yourself and your family.
Fair enough. Perhaps there's a tipping point and we haven't quite reached it. I'm just skeptical about that.
Really what I meant is that before 2019, I would have been pretty damn confident in Americans to take a stand when hoards of Marxists were burning down cities on national television all summer. Or when tyrants literally put us on "lockdown" in a completely unconstitutional manner. Or when a political party blatantly stole a presidential election and then labeled anyone who questioned it an insurrectionist. I would have been flabbergasted to find out we remained atop our couches licking Doritos dust from our fingertips as those events transpired.
So maybe we're just a completely amoral people that don't give a shit about freedom or justice and instead will only rise up when our comforts are taken. But that's damn near as depressing as not standing up at all.
Some would, but many (I'm just guessing 30% to 40%) would "just do what they're told" or outright cower down. Many if that 30% to 40% group would turn on those fighting back and rat them out.
Since when? Locked us down, no response. Closed our businesses, no response. Forced vaccination, no response. Mutilating children, no response. Stole a presidency, no response. Imprisoned protestors, no response. Should I continue?
If you think people will respond as "others" are carted away, instead of cowering and hoping they don't come for them, you're out of your mind.
And the 2016 Dallas parade shooting where 5 police officers were killed.
The point being not that it was a military action, but the relative happiness with which that action was accepted and rapidly forgotten by the mouthpieces of the left.
For anyone who thinks any military wouldn't follow orders, you're extremely naive or retarded. Every single decade since humans have been able to make fire, has had a military suppressing it's own population.
I came to post this. If they would NOT fire on their own countrymen as ordered by their government it would be the first time in human history. I don’t like those odds.
Exactly. This battle were up against isn't new. Biblical times talk about it. Medieval times talked about it. Cavemen probably grunted about it.
It's what humans do. Until the general population becomes rational, critical thinking, self reliant individuals, this will continue. Since the 60s, there's been a mindset that creates lazy, uninspired, brainwashed robots.
The enlightenment was unfortunately besieged and stopped before it could really take off.
I honestly have had a theory that this is truly the underlying current behind ww1.
Lots of human beings were starting to open their eyes and see they were slaves, and started to reject the system and embrace intellectual pursuit, and pursuit of universal truths.
And just like fucking clockwork, then came the central bankers to destroy entire nations and murder millions.
It's almost as if anytime people start to wise up collectively and see how bad of a deal they're getting, this always happens.
The true global elite swoop in to whip everybody into submission and put us back on their plantations.
We are not allowed to think. We are only allowed to be slaves.
If some officer or grunt won't fire on citizens the commanders would court marshal them, then find others that would. If those other officers or grunts won't do it, the same would happen to them, then down the line until they find compliant people. It's guaranteed to happen if ordered
sure, either way those issuing the orders to fire on civilians will just go down the list of officers and grunts until they found ones that would carry out those commands.
But then wouldn't the other grunts shoot back? Might as well if you're options are shoot American citizens or shoot your vile despicable commanding officer.
I don't know about the FIRST time. There have been a handful of wobbly regimes for whom the military refused orders to fire on civilians. The famous winking Cossack of the Russian Revolution comes to mind.
This is because power is actually imaginary. There is strength, which can be power, but the idea of power in general, as we see it, only even exists because people collectively allow it to exist.
Whenever there have been strong willed groups who stand together and refuse to allow it, power crumbles away in an instant.
Power overwhelmes the individual. Singularly, we can't do much. Because there are still enough people who believe in the system, allowing it to exist.
But when a group of people stand up and actually put their foot down, and I'm not talking about any kind of pussy protesting like we do here in the west, I mean truly say "no", that shit gets shut down.
Correct. If you pay men, give them swords or guns, threaten their families or livelihood, they will do your bidding. There will be defectors but those that remain will follow orders no matter how unethical or illegal their acts may be.
I don't need a poll to tell me what I already know. People will do evil things to protect their paycheck. And I wouldn't trust anyone to actually admit how low they would go for a paycheck because most haven't soul searched enough to know what depravity they are capable of
Covid proved this beyond a doubt. People will do anything to preserve their way of live, livelihoods and paychecks. Take cops and soldiers out of the equation, you still have millions of compliant sheep who took those shots and wore the masks for even the most simple things like being able to walk into a restaurant.
true. which is why they are continuing to purge the military of any true patriots through the vax mandates, CRT and anti-white crap, mandatory gay shows, paid for trans surgeries, lowering the standards, pride flags.... all to assure even the grunt level will be all leftists too.
-A fringe amount (1-5%) would refuse, under all circumstances.
-Most would quietly refuse, but not QUIT, because they need the job, pressure, don't want to go to jail, etc.
-A fringe amount of them, say the most radical 1-10% would be OK with it.
-That fringe shoots people.
-People retaliate.
-Now the people who quietly refused before are not saying "Well, I didn't want to use lethal force before, but now they're shooting AT US, so things are different now.
Then the back and forth begins and hatred escalates.
Wait until a small percentage of that military population actually sees deaths to family members, friends and neighbors caused by their own peers. That dynamic will eventually play a role in what happens next.
Bad example. Kent State was the culmination of three days of commie rioting and the National Guardsmen were being attacked and surrounded by rioters, who erroneously assumed that the Guardsman were not carrying live ammunition and would be unable to defend themselves.
This is one of many cases that the misleadia used lies, omission, and obfuscation to push the commie narrative and distort history.
It's one of those lies repeated so often it became true. Like government scientists infecting blacks with syphilis, or hippies spitting on soldiers returning from 'Nam.
They did. The Military Industrial Complex didn't like the American people protesting their war. So they sent in NG to shut it down. War is big money for politicians.
The "US Military" is the mercenary force of the globalist MIC. We are under enemy occupation. That is why they will fire upon us. Real America has no military. If we did, there would never have been decades of invasion across a compromised southern border. They don't serve us.
Most people can't identify the enemy without a scorecard anyway. This is why civil wars are brutal and bloody: the fear and loathing ramps up 1000%. If China invaded tomorrow (just for an example case), 99% of US citizens could identify the enemy and would resist them. If everyone is carrying a US flag, speaks American English and looks like any other American mutt, then ... who is the enemy?
Right. Thats why this war is so diabolical. No chivalry. No clear enemy really. I've met plenty of kool aid haired people that are based so how to know who to shoot ? Thats part of the psyop as well.
I intend to fire back at the soy brigade, and I don't have much hope for the cucked military that has done nothing but lose wars since 45. We have proven guerilla warfare wins every single time. Any cop that violates the constitution no longer has the protection and authority provided by the badge.
Become the local Sherriff and save yourselves. I know our cops will be on our side, I've met them outside of work.
Right. In North Carolina. There was an Infowars story about training young soldiers for an " uprising" called the Pineland Resistance or something like that.
However they won't say "fire on civilians" they will tell the soldiers that regular people are terrorists and must be eliminated and give lots of fake proof of such.
Would the government order it, yes. Would a percentage of the service members go along with it, yes. Would a percentage of the service members not and fight the ones that would, yes. I don't believe we are at a point where this is an actual threat yet. There are too many people in the military that either would not participate or would openly fight back, and as soon as they tried something and citizens started killing soldiers, the pool of people willing to go door to door will drop quickly. Quite simply if someone saw people in uniform outside their window, lighting up through the door would pretty much put a stop to it overnight. As long as people go out with a positive KDR, the math is not in the governments favor.
Bear in mind. That if shit ever hits the fan, the police would be the first to turn on you.
But muh thin blue line Stockholm syndrome
The insane cop worshipping that people on the right have done over the past few years is pathetic.
It just goes to show, they haven't been fucked over by some petty fag dude in some supposed uniform sitting on the side of the road as these pedo elites rape children.
But he will pull your ass over for a broken light, 5 miles over the speed limit or because he fucking felt like it.
I have no respect for the Governments strong arm.
The cops are the direct enforcement body of a corrupt, illegitimate, and malicious regime. To trust them is dangerous. To worship them is fucking insane.
And traffic stops are the least of your worries. They can completely ruin your life in seconds.
Oh you forgot about that 30 round magazine in your range bag and didn't know the law recently changed. A cop at the range sees it and wants to inspect it. Now you're a felon!!
our town had 2 cops, we knew them we trusted them. now town grew, department is big now, don’t really trust them when there are many and they pull you over for few miles over
But... but... muh local sheriff is good!! He not follow orders!!
Remember these what these same police did in Australia and Canada.
Midland Texas fat SWAT team closing down a bar during COVID.
And it’s always the same dudes who rant about “durka doo they ain’t never gona take my guns away! They’ll have pry my 1911 from my cold dead fingers and I swear I’ll take those bastards with me!”
Has a thin blue line sticker on his truck 😂
The bootlicking is strong with the neocon cucks.
They were mostly raised in a generation where the cops were.. uhh.. better, st least, than they are now.
And these morons will bootlick and worship them to their grave, because it's better than admitting the world has changed and left them behind, and the country they knew and loved no longer exists.
To me, the bootlicking is a desperate attempt at burying ones head in the sand, pathetically trying to convince other people and yourself, that pur society hasn't become a corrupt shithole. Because if you csn convince everybody including yourself. That "its just a couplenof bad apples" then ypu don't have to admit the truth of the world. And you csn tell yourself that you're terrified and scared for no reason, and you can talk yourself into being less scared.
It's like being in a car wreck, and right before you slam into a wall at 100mph, you tell yourself and the passengers rhst it's okay, everyone is going to be fine we've got airbags and safety belts. It's not a big deal.
And then, of course, an engine block goes through your chest.
Great point.
The vast majority of these bootlicker neocons are boomers and GenX who definitely did grow up, as you said, in a time with better cops. And sadly they won't accept the insane corruption and weaponization of enforcement entities until it directly impacts their own life.
I'll repeat the 30 round mag example because it's something that has happened irl. Older guy is at the range using a 30rd mag that was recently made illegal. Cop at the range asks to see it and then arrests the guy. 40 years ago the cops says "hey John this thing is illegal...put it away for me and leave it at home next time". Now they throw John in the squad car, pile on the charges, while only worrying about their pension the whole time.
Yep, it's absolutely insane to me that people are allowing this sort of abuse to happen.
That example is a perfect illustration of the overreach and outright tyranny these enforcers are committing at the orders of power hungry politicians, without even a fucking single shred of thought between them before doing it.
They're ALL now using the excuse of "I'm just doing my job" as if that has ever worked. It's never been a valid excuse, I don't know why people keep trying it.
If your job tells you to cover someone in gas and light them on fire, are you going to do that?
They might say, "of course not, that's different" but I come back with, how is it any different? You're committing great injustice against people for no reason other than your job told you to, there is no moral grounding for it, there is no logical grounding for it, you're literally harming other people because someone told you to.
How is that any different than setting someone on fire?
They try and pile up excuses of how that's not comparable, and I come back with - well it wouldn't be comparable if you're saying something like, setting someone on fire verses sending them a letter that is sternly worded. Those things aren't even in the same universe.
But when you start arresting people and putting them in prison, for something that was legal yesterday that suddenly a politician has declared a felony with the stroke of a pen, that ISN'T EVEN MORALLY QUESTIONABLE, then my god, how in the world is that NOT in the same realm as setting someone on fire?
If you have a 30 round magazine in your range bag, that you've used and it's never been a problem, and nobody has ever been harmed from it, you've never done anything wrong - but suddenly a politician made it illegal, and you go and arrest someone and put them in prison for it?
What justification can there possibly be for that, outside of "I'm just doing what I'm told"?
There isn't any.
And I cannot support ANYONE that "just does their job" in that sort of situation, with that sort of institutional power they carry, who can't think for themselves and use moral judgement.
But this, of course, is by design.
The mass exodus of cops leaving the service happened several years back, but it got REALLY bad in the last like 4-5 years.
I remember when they started going on youtube and talking to their phone, in their squad cars, talking about how bad their leadership is and how badly they've started to just fuck people over and how they can't stand by any longer.
That wave happened in like 2015-ish. There was one in Portland I still remember - he was an army ranger, who served in afghanistan. Then came home and was working as a cop and the amount of shit he saw, he was saying was more corrupt than even Afghanistan police.
What do you think happened? His leadership just got pissed and fired him.
Not because he was wrong, but because he didn't follow orders.
Along with all the ones like him. Over the next few years, they started to outright fucking PURGE anyone woh wouldn't blindly follow orders, and only hired people to replace them who would.
Look at the situation now - the only ones left from when it was "still okay" are ones waiting to time out on retirement. Guys who had in, say, 20 some years and just need to work until retirement age so they can get out. And those guys aren't doing anything now. They just go hide and dick off all day.
As they all get replaced, they're starting now to even try and push legislation to allow non citizens to be fucking police.
Why do you think that is?
Becuase the politicians, the people in power, the people working in offices of institutional authority, they WANT a compliant police force that WILL arrest you and make you into a felon for something that was completely legal until they themselves signed a pen and made it illegal.
They don't WANT them to think for themselves or question orders.
And you have to ask yourself why that would be? What kind of things could they have planned for our future if that's what they're building??
Go read Ordinary Men if you haven't already.
I read your entire response, but this stood out
This is the marxist's greatest dream. Build an enforcement entity that will never ask questions, that will always follow orders no matter how vile, that has no connection to this country and therefore doesn't care, and that actively hates white people and patriots.
Once they establish this force and can guarantee that the cops will follow any order they give, then they will do absolutely anything they want
I understand the utter frustration with the way things are going. There is a lot of hope and good people fighting these things.any will not comply with these unlawful orders. My youngest son has multiple officers that coach and they all are great guys. They have straight said they won't comply with them and don't agree with them. I live in a red county very blue state but many of our sheriff's have already stated loudly that this bs won't be followed.
There is no use doom and glooming. Keep talking to those folks and see what they actually have to say. There are shitty people everywhere in every industry.
I likeDoug Stanhopes take " I support troops, officers on an individual basis"
Right next to the "molon labe" sticker, with no thought for who exactly will come and take them.
It is Hegelian dialectics, and it is pathetic. Until people on the right fully understand this, we will continue getting our dick kicked in. At least, more and more here seem to understand this which is promising
Good point. And yes, more and more people here are coming to realize the truth about the enforcement entities in this country.
It pains me that just a few years back, the majority of conservatives were clamoring "just comply and the cops won't hurt you". Granted this was in regards to blacks committing acts of violence. However, what happens when the "just comply" is in regards to your 2A rights.....just food for thought
Old habits die hard
They forced whites to integrate in the 60s at gunpoint...
Something so trivial and had so little support, and the military was willing to use threat of force.
Easy yes on this poll, and fuck ZOGbots.
Then anyone in uniform is fair game.
Muh mortgage-n-pension-banker-owned-debt syndrome.
- Proverbs 22:7 (KJV)
I'd be more worried about the cops than the military. Most of the good cops are gone so were left with diversity hires that won't hesitate to shoot you. If shtf and the higher upside told pfc. Shitbrick to open fire on his fellow Americans he would hesitate. That hesitation can mean the difference between life and death and is sometimes all you need. Keep your head on a swivel and till next time pedes!🐸🇺🇸
The military is no different. Patriots are retiring or being purged and they certainly aren't enlisting in that shit show.
At the same time, that's kind of counter productive.
I mean, lines are being drawn it seems.
I know I'm not for the global homos.
There are way too few cops. Seriously look at the numbers. Plus cops usually live not far from their community so at some point they are going to be assaulting someone they know.
Pay attention to how EU did it to the yellow vests. What we'll have is more like Canadian troops handling incapacitation during the martial blackout. No constitutional crisis needed at all.
Good thing Canada isn't comfy with Chinese assets on their soil or smuggling shady vials to a certain not-to-blame biolab. (/s)
Canadian cops.....hahahahahaha. those fucks would die in droves.
Hey there ho there. He must think I'm a cat, trying to get me to chase the red dot around
During Hurricane Katrina, they had to pull police officers from all over the country to even begin to clamp down on New Orleans. It took weeks for that to happen. I remember thinking, damn, they really don’t have the manpower for a Martial law full lockdown.
That is what I believe the Chinese shock troops are for. That is why they have barracks built on US soil.
They're fine in a 1 on 1 traffic stop. It's just when you get them as a group of jump-out boys you need to worry that compliance and politeness won't help you.
Fuck BLM/Antifa terrorists
They are already turned on you.
They already have. It's literally been their purpose from their start. They just stopped pretending in the sixties.
Not sure about my sheriff. When Covid hit they posted to social media that they will not be enforcing any mask mandates or anything related. That’s a good sign at least.
Sheriff's are better than city cops since they are elected where city cops work for the mayor/ city council. I travel America on foot so I have a lot of contact. Most LEO's are good guys working a fucked up job. The small amount of bad ones are really bad since they hold so much power. Agree about dealing with them in a group though. They will automatically become gang like and fuck you up in a gnarly situation. I generally avoid them when possible but sometimes I've gone to Sheriff's and Staties to ask for a 'courteous ride ' since I pay their salary and already paid for the gas. My outcomes with them on a one on one are generally good although when I was drunk trouble happened. I have warrants all over the Country since I never pay fines. Its legal to be drunk in public in many states and if I was polite I would get a ride out of the county or to the next gas station/ truck stop / rest area. Granted I'm not " most people " so my experience is not the norm. Have had plenty of resisting charges since I automatically react if someone puts their hands on me when I'm drunk but realize oh shit this is a cop - comply or get shot. Have had only one jogger in Philly point a pistol at me but have had cops do it many times. As we go forward we will see who is an Oath Breaker.
Sheriffs were better because the responsibility was on one person.
People back in the day knew who to go to and if they didn't do the job.
The people.
Definitely need to go back to the Wild Wild West.
Police though? Too big of an Organization and controlled by the fuck heads ruining our Country.
right commie city councils.
You misspelled "unions"
If you live in a liberal shithole, the sheriff can be your worst enemy. Live in a based area, he will shield you from the state and feds. He is elected and answers to his constituents.
Example: Alameda County, CA
And recently, Sacramento County...
Where are there sheriff's in liberal shitholes? Curios. St Louis is weird where they have County Police - first time I experienced that and STL is horrible. I would think sheriff's are in more red areas. I get what you are saying though. Had some bad experiences with cops in California but also got a ride from a CHP that was super cool. Gave me a ride to the cannabis dispensery which was funny enough.
Sheriffs are responsible for all unincorporated areas of a county as well as those small cities without a city police force. They are elected by the people that live in the boundaries of the county. They are beholden to their constituents.
Incorporated areas have a city police force with a chief appointed by the mayor. They are beholden only to the public officials.
State police leadership is appointed by the governor and beholden to public officials of the state level.
Thanks . That explains why my best experiences are with sheriff's and state troopers. In a very small town in Florida panhandle around Christmas the local cop stopped me walking through town at night. And them brought me to the gas station and said " get whatever you want!" Its important to always operate in the context of individuals. No monoliths.
regardless of my explanation, when it comes down to it, law enforcement exists to protect the "state" and its institutions and has no duty to aid the population (based on a court ruling in NY state I believe). Also, they have a duty to themselves to protect their pensions regardless of the oaths to the constitution they have taken. I am no longer a thin blue fag and the only support I give them is on a individual or department basis, such as the instance a while back when a Sheriff deputy arrested an ATF agent overstepping his bounds. Or the sheriffs in Commiefornia that state their county is a 2A sanctuary.
If "most cops are good and only a few bad apples" but all the good cops don't do anything about the few bad apples...
...are most cops really good?
There is no "the police", each department is its own entity.
Most departments are clean from top to bottom, some are rotten from top to bottom, and there isn't much in the middle
I've worked for many different organizations, public and private, and not a single one was clean top to the bottom. I'm pretty sure every organization has some amount of rot to it, the only difference is how emboldened and egregious they are with it.
How large of organizations?
At every job there are assholes. Some more than others.
They already did. They drone bombed two US citizens happily under Obama.
Do you think the American people will defend themselves against hostile military forces foreign or domestic? Also yes.
I used to think that. The last 2 years have convinced me otherwise.
That's debatable man. I think there will be enough people that still bleed red white and blue to make something happen.
Keep in mind. The faggots at the top aren't the ones putting their lives on the line. Those that are will stop doing so when they aren't sure if they'll return home, as they kiss their wife and kids goodbye in the morning.
It's all about getting people to fall in line. That's all it is. On both sides. Enough outliers, with enough Intel and supplies, can stop a lot of things from getting off the ground.
It's not really debatable at all. Recent history has shown that there are no militias waiting in the woods to stop tyranny. It's a myth that we've all been telling ourselves to feel better.
The truth is - tyranny is a slow process; death of a thousand paper cuts. And when we don't stand up to the first one, the second one is pushed that much easier. Tyranny gains momentum.
The second truth is it's on each of us - not all of us. There will not be enough people that will stand up. It will be solely on you to defend yourself and your family.
People will not fall in line.
There are no leaders.
It's 100% on you.
Fair enough. Perhaps there's a tipping point and we haven't quite reached it. I'm just skeptical about that.
Really what I meant is that before 2019, I would have been pretty damn confident in Americans to take a stand when hoards of Marxists were burning down cities on national television all summer. Or when tyrants literally put us on "lockdown" in a completely unconstitutional manner. Or when a political party blatantly stole a presidential election and then labeled anyone who questioned it an insurrectionist. I would have been flabbergasted to find out we remained atop our couches licking Doritos dust from our fingertips as those events transpired.
So maybe we're just a completely amoral people that don't give a shit about freedom or justice and instead will only rise up when our comforts are taken. But that's damn near as depressing as not standing up at all.
Lol
Some would, but many (I'm just guessing 30% to 40%) would "just do what they're told" or outright cower down. Many if that 30% to 40% group would turn on those fighting back and rat them out.
Spoiler alert: there won't even be a fight.
Over the past 2 years, our government has locked down us all. They've put people in jail for having a business. They've destroyed the economy.
There was no battle. It's pure science fiction to think that our side will win a gun battle when there is no battle to begin with.
Since when? Locked us down, no response. Closed our businesses, no response. Forced vaccination, no response. Mutilating children, no response. Stole a presidency, no response. Imprisoned protestors, no response. Should I continue?
If you think people will respond as "others" are carted away, instead of cowering and hoping they don't come for them, you're out of your mind.
Blue states would be a push over. Red states would become Vietnam.
Don't forget the civil war.
And Delta Force was at Waco under Clinton.
And the 2016 Dallas parade shooting where 5 police officers were killed.
The point being not that it was a military action, but the relative happiness with which that action was accepted and rapidly forgotten by the mouthpieces of the left.
If they will take experimental gene therapy just to keep that little paycheck, what won't they do to keep it?
Funny thing is most could have easily made more money swinging a hammer or turning a wrench
It wasn’t experimental. They rigorously tested it for 12 weeks!
On all 8 of their mice
Considering most of the mice died in 10 weeks, they considered the product a success, since that was the intended outcome
Take that you spreader of disinformation !
Hey look jack! I don't know a lot but I know these shots are safe and effective.
Definitely effective
Dimethyl mercury would be shown safe in a 12 week randomized control trial.
You need actual brain cells and a work ethic to do that effectively.
How else is one supposed to get a mustang and an xbox at age 19?
By starting to learn a marketable trade skill at age 16
For anyone who thinks any military wouldn't follow orders, you're extremely naive or retarded. Every single decade since humans have been able to make fire, has had a military suppressing it's own population.
I came to post this. If they would NOT fire on their own countrymen as ordered by their government it would be the first time in human history. I don’t like those odds.
Exactly. This battle were up against isn't new. Biblical times talk about it. Medieval times talked about it. Cavemen probably grunted about it.
It's what humans do. Until the general population becomes rational, critical thinking, self reliant individuals, this will continue. Since the 60s, there's been a mindset that creates lazy, uninspired, brainwashed robots.
Humans being rational animals was a tiny blip on the radar.
The enlightenment was unfortunately besieged and stopped before it could really take off.
I honestly have had a theory that this is truly the underlying current behind ww1.
Lots of human beings were starting to open their eyes and see they were slaves, and started to reject the system and embrace intellectual pursuit, and pursuit of universal truths.
And just like fucking clockwork, then came the central bankers to destroy entire nations and murder millions.
It's almost as if anytime people start to wise up collectively and see how bad of a deal they're getting, this always happens.
The true global elite swoop in to whip everybody into submission and put us back on their plantations.
We are not allowed to think. We are only allowed to be slaves.
If some officer or grunt won't fire on citizens the commanders would court marshal them, then find others that would. If those other officers or grunts won't do it, the same would happen to them, then down the line until they find compliant people. It's guaranteed to happen if ordered
Or just execute them on the spot, so the other grunts don't get inspired by their act of defiance.
sure, either way those issuing the orders to fire on civilians will just go down the list of officers and grunts until they found ones that would carry out those commands.
What happens if they activate the reverse card one day?
Pigs will fly.
But then wouldn't the other grunts shoot back? Might as well if you're options are shoot American citizens or shoot your vile despicable commanding officer.
History has shown us, no, they won't. They'll fear being shot next, and would rather their chances shooting unarmed civilians.
This is America. If any country ever had the chance of upsetting the status quo, it be us.
I don't know about the FIRST time. There have been a handful of wobbly regimes for whom the military refused orders to fire on civilians. The famous winking Cossack of the Russian Revolution comes to mind.
This is because power is actually imaginary. There is strength, which can be power, but the idea of power in general, as we see it, only even exists because people collectively allow it to exist.
Whenever there have been strong willed groups who stand together and refuse to allow it, power crumbles away in an instant.
Power overwhelmes the individual. Singularly, we can't do much. Because there are still enough people who believe in the system, allowing it to exist.
But when a group of people stand up and actually put their foot down, and I'm not talking about any kind of pussy protesting like we do here in the west, I mean truly say "no", that shit gets shut down.
Or the events leading to the Berlin wall being brought down
Correct. If you pay men, give them swords or guns, threaten their families or livelihood, they will do your bidding. There will be defectors but those that remain will follow orders no matter how unethical or illegal their acts may be.
Some people think America is special, that such things can't happen here, it's sad.
That's because it USED to be special, or at least we were brought up that way.
When 2020 was stolen, that was a hard shock to my system and I mourned the loss of my country the way I knew it.
So basically 25% of the people out there are disconnected from reality.
"7 reasons the military might round up and execute US citizens - and why that's OK!"
That article IS coming.
Leftist useful idiots masturbate to fantasies of conservatives being rounded up and executed.
“You’re a Nazi, and why mass genocide of American citizens is a good thing. Film at 11!”
47%
Some will. Some won't. A poll doesn't mean shit when it's trying to predict the actions of someone else.
Do a poll that only military members can answer.
I don't need a poll to tell me what I already know. People will do evil things to protect their paycheck. And I wouldn't trust anyone to actually admit how low they would go for a paycheck because most haven't soul searched enough to know what depravity they are capable of
"Just following orders"
Covid proved this beyond a doubt. People will do anything to preserve their way of live, livelihoods and paychecks. Take cops and soldiers out of the equation, you still have millions of compliant sheep who took those shots and wore the masks for even the most simple things like being able to walk into a restaurant.
Nor do I. It is reassuring to see that there are plenty of people who are aware of this issue and agree with me, though.
The officer class is captured by the left, the grunts are split.
Leftist/authoritarians generally wait to make their move until they’ve asserted their grip over the means of violent force
true. which is why they are continuing to purge the military of any true patriots through the vax mandates, CRT and anti-white crap, mandatory gay shows, paid for trans surgeries, lowering the standards, pride flags.... all to assure even the grunt level will be all leftists too.
The ones that won't will simply be replaced by those that will. It's the same story throughout history.
Here is how it would work.
-A fringe amount (1-5%) would refuse, under all circumstances.
-Most would quietly refuse, but not QUIT, because they need the job, pressure, don't want to go to jail, etc.
-A fringe amount of them, say the most radical 1-10% would be OK with it.
-That fringe shoots people.
-People retaliate.
-Now the people who quietly refused before are not saying "Well, I didn't want to use lethal force before, but now they're shooting AT US, so things are different now.
Then the back and forth begins and hatred escalates.
Wait until a small percentage of that military population actually sees deaths to family members, friends and neighbors caused by their own peers. That dynamic will eventually play a role in what happens next.
Yes. 100%
Hasn't that already happened before? At some college?
Hippies aren't people.
Bad example. Kent State was the culmination of three days of commie rioting and the National Guardsmen were being attacked and surrounded by rioters, who erroneously assumed that the Guardsman were not carrying live ammunition and would be unable to defend themselves.
This is one of many cases that the misleadia used lies, omission, and obfuscation to push the commie narrative and distort history.
Thank you, I wasn’t aware of the full story.
It's one of those lies repeated so often it became true. Like government scientists infecting blacks with syphilis, or hippies spitting on soldiers returning from 'Nam.
Kent State
They did. The Military Industrial Complex didn't like the American people protesting their war. So they sent in NG to shut it down. War is big money for politicians.
We are not "their people".
The "US Military" is the mercenary force of the globalist MIC. We are under enemy occupation. That is why they will fire upon us. Real America has no military. If we did, there would never have been decades of invasion across a compromised southern border. They don't serve us.
they're talking about us
Yes. Yes, they are.
Just following orders
Member the military dyke who made a tik tok saying we’d have to follow her orders or she’d shoot us? Pepperidge farm members
They already did...but the guns were needles and the deaths were by clot instead of bleeding out.
They also did it at Kent State too
Most of the few that would have refused were weeded out with the covid vax mandate.
FAFO
They already have. Lincoln ordered them to
Sherman (will) burn in hell.
Do I believe the military would fire on Americans if ordered? Yes
Do I believe the military would also fire on the military if it fired on Americans? Yes
Most people can't identify the enemy without a scorecard anyway. This is why civil wars are brutal and bloody: the fear and loathing ramps up 1000%. If China invaded tomorrow (just for an example case), 99% of US citizens could identify the enemy and would resist them. If everyone is carrying a US flag, speaks American English and looks like any other American mutt, then ... who is the enemy?
Right. Thats why this war is so diabolical. No chivalry. No clear enemy really. I've met plenty of kool aid haired people that are based so how to know who to shoot ? Thats part of the psyop as well.
Anyone with pink or purple hair?
That is the spark that would ignite a civil war
National power outage
no, that would spark mass chaos, not a civil war.
Good point.
I intend to fire back at the soy brigade, and I don't have much hope for the cucked military that has done nothing but lose wars since 45. We have proven guerilla warfare wins every single time. Any cop that violates the constitution no longer has the protection and authority provided by the badge.
Become the local Sherriff and save yourselves. I know our cops will be on our side, I've met them outside of work.
The "vax" was the filter to find out
Hell they’re training to do it!
Right. In North Carolina. There was an Infowars story about training young soldiers for an " uprising" called the Pineland Resistance or something like that.
Last week they were training in San Diego I believe
In South Africa, the army thought about stepping in, but the ANC promised to keep up their pensions, so the army stood down.
Covid has shown us that people in uniforms value their pay and pensions more than your freedoms and Rights.
Obama made sure of that.
WTF
Watch your wording, will ya fellow, I am not, and no one I know is owned by the US military or any politician or anyone.
CHAD: "Your challenge is accepted"
Pension > just following orders > lgbtqP and globohomo > doing what is right
I don't if that were the direct order.
However they won't say "fire on civilians" they will tell the soldiers that regular people are terrorists and must be eliminated and give lots of fake proof of such.
So in the end yes I think they would.
They don't even need an order, just an excuse
Cops Do so why not? Uniforms = Traitors in 2023
They already have. And that was before it became gay.
And we would fire back and quickly decimate those tranny faggots.
Would the government order it, yes. Would a percentage of the service members go along with it, yes. Would a percentage of the service members not and fight the ones that would, yes. I don't believe we are at a point where this is an actual threat yet. There are too many people in the military that either would not participate or would openly fight back, and as soon as they tried something and citizens started killing soldiers, the pool of people willing to go door to door will drop quickly. Quite simply if someone saw people in uniform outside their window, lighting up through the door would pretty much put a stop to it overnight. As long as people go out with a positive KDR, the math is not in the governments favor.