Day 3 sober from alcohol cold turkey. Day 2 was bad with shakes, tunnel vision, anxiety. I've lost much to alcohol and drugs. Luckily I still have my job and immediate family. I'm considering going back to church today for spiritual help.
Good thing is the mods here wont hate me as much for my drunk lunatic ravings :)
I have been sober almost 5 years, I was a junky for almost 20 years shooting up opiates. Brother, I wish you the best! Just remember you don't have to go to a church to get spiritual help, just close your eyes and pray, Jesus help me now. . . I will be praying for your fren!
You are a Knight, Brother.
Thank you for the kind words.
You should always encourage someone to go to Church. Putting God First is something that someone that Really needs His Strength should do. Of course you can Pray Anywhere, that is still Not a substitution.
I agree putting God first is the most important thing one can do. I was more encouraging this brother that no church house is needed to cry out to God. A physical building doesn't make a church. . . the churches today are as corrupt as the government. That is not saying to forsake the assembly but remember brother when two or more are gathered in my name so I am in the midst of them . . . .that is church to me. . .
God is Everywhere. If you've ever been to a Catholic Mass you can't help but feel God. No person on this earth can take that away. He makes a way to our hearts.
There's nothing like going to mass and knowing you're surrounded by good people trying to better themselves.
So nothing like surrounding your self with shifty people who can't fix their own shit and thinking praying to an invisible magic slinging tranny ( virgin birth, no male dna impossible to be a man) is gonna fix all their problems. The struggle is just the same regardless of the deity you beg mercy from.
You keep that same energy when you are on your death bed do not ask for forgiveness then
How many atheist recovery programs are there? How successful are they? Every successful program I’ve ever heard of says you need to call on “a higher power”.
I think Recovery, Inc is psychology based. I was friends with the dude whose psychiatrist grandfather started it decades ago. He said it was pretty big in the Chicago area, where his family was from.
I remember looking it up back then and saw it was actually pretty big, and being surprised, bc I had never heard of it.
Haven’t talked to the guy in 20 years though. He was married to an old friend.
Lmfao there isn't a successful recovery program. AA was invented with the intended use of hallucinogens. In fact the only method proven to work and even in little as one dose is the use of hallucinogens under the supervision of a therapist. But keep praying. That's been working so well.
well the altar boys are feeling something entirely different. its a uniquely catholic experience...
Amen!!! Preach it brother!
He wasn't telling them to not put god first. He was telling him that he doesn't have to physically go to church to get Jesus and that he could even close his eyes right now and pray for Jesus.
Go to church!
Congratulations on your sobriety. And you’re right, God is always there.
Pray every morning for God to keep you sober for the day, and pray at night thanking Him for keeping you sober today - that's the way I was taught. Best.
Giving up vices that you know are bad for you is a sole testament of strength, resolve, and most importantly, self respect.
I wish you every ounce of luck on your journey, friend. I have lost people to drugs and alcohol ; you can't help anyone that doesn't want to help themselves.
You're taking the most important step on your path, right now. Stay strong and focused on your end goal - you can do it.
Is one drink a night a vice? Two? Five?
When does alcohol become a vice? I'd suggest when alcohol controls you...makes your decisions for you.
When you start feeling like you need to drink - in any amount, for any reason - it's a bad sign that alcohol is starting to control you.
Or when you feel like it would be difficult to simply give up drinking for a while. If you stopped drinking completely today, would you just miss booze a bit? Or would you really crave it? Anytime that you realize that it would be hard for you to walk away from alcohol indefinitely, you should know that you've progressed from a habit to an addiction.
Usually people reach those points long before they admit they're alcoholics, though. It's in the later stages when they have lost jobs, homes, and relationships, or after they've hurt themselves or others, before they accept that they are addicted.
Good synopsis of the creeping nature of alcohol abuse. Now replace alcohol with sugar or food in general. It may not ruin lives and relationships in a hurry like alcoholism, but most of the western world are total addicts. People act like they need to stuff a handful of food in their mouth every hour or they'll die from starvation. Fasting every now and again is cathartic and really demonstrates how enslaved we are by fixation on food.
All very true.
I think that’s up to you to decide. Do you think it’s a problem for you? Is it enough of a problem for you to want to do something about it?
People in your life might tell you it is but until YOU decide it is AND you decide to do something about it, nothing else will make a difference.
You're an Alcoholic if your drinking has led you to Jails, institutions, or death and that you life has become unmanagable. There's a shitnload of people that drink shitloads everyday bht arn't alcoholics.
Typing skills Fetterman/10. A 7.0 on the Biden scale.
Overdrinking will result in an early death, even if you can hold down a job, keep out of jail, and never end up getting sent to rehab.
I was using a new keyboard on a new phone that I wasn't familiar with.
Did I ever say it wouldn't. People that drink a lot who's lives have not become unmanageable are not alcoholics...
The Bible says to drink not to be drunk. Even so Jesus turned water to wine. That being said Alcohol, not beer and wine, Is called SPIRITS.
Beer was used as medicine and food stuffs back in Jewish slavery egypt times.
I assume its okay to drink a beer or 3, but drinking to be drunk is wrong, Also wine drunk sucks.
I just drove 1/2 hour to an outpatient treatment clinic and they asked me to wear a mask and take a Covid test. I told them to have a nice day. On to the nest place.
I won't personally judge, nor do I have any experience myself with major alcoholism (drank too much in college but am fine now).
I will say though, be careful with the THC. My dad quit alocholism by smoking pot. And now he's just addicted to smoking pot. Honestly, it's almost just as bad. Still spends all his money, but now he just zones out at home watching old black and white shows getting fat.
But hey, if you're able to keep it under control, all the power too ya.
Yeah it’s pretty common to replace one addiction with another. I did that with exercise. I quit drinking and picked up CrossFit. It’s been great but I am honest with myself about what I did, too.
We're all addicted to something. In the grand scheme, being addicted to fitness and self-improvement is far better than most of the alternatives.
I smoked a tiny bit yesterday and got the feeling I don't want to be a lazy stoner which is what I've also been doing. I started shopping home gyms because I don't want to be a couch potato stoner.
God bless bro. Try to keep strong. Just treat sobriety as a day by day thing for now. When I was doing it I just reminded myself “I’m not going to drink today and I’m not going to drink tomorrow.”
As you start to get good feelings from sobriety (and soon you will) you can expand your thinking. But for now keep it focused on today and tomorrow.
Even when it stares you in the face. It's the person not the drug. ;) make your ancestors proud, stop making excuses and fix your core mind.
Thanks for posting. I'm going to give it a shot. I've been a functional alcoholic basically all of my adult life. Nothing seems to work and I'm getting old. We'll see, keep up the fight, fren!
What you say fall is very similar to my situation. I took a toke yesterday to relieve the anxiety and it helped. Congrats on day 40! I have some gummies and might try that today.
Since they have THC in them, will they ship to every state or only legal states?
Funny it's illegal in CO I thought they legalized weed and shrooms too
Sorry I don't know what ikr means
i get so thirsty for a 40oz
but it really is a waste of money
So proud of you pede! YOU CAN DO THIS! We are here for you. Keep going going in Jesus' name. Amen!
Proving that you've got grit. Combined with quitting cold turkey and getting thru the worst of the withdrawal symptoms, means that you've got some real grit. So you actually can do this. Keep your head right. Keep moving forward.
It's not easy. But it gets progressively easier. It takes a while, but after some time it is really easy because your perspective will change - someday you'll look back and wonder what the hell you were doing. Keep your head right. Keep moving forward.
You'll have moments of weakness. Just get thru them and they will pass. Make the right decisions and better times will become habit and that will feed more good habits. Keep making the right decisions and better times will simply become your life. Sober life is better life. Way better. Keep your head right. Keep moving forward. Just keep moving forward.
Having an opportunity to sound it out loud is important.
Do you have a sponsor and work the steps
Good on ya! I wouldn't trust anybody without enough sense to stop playing pandemic theater to give me advice or help. As someone who went from drinking like a fish to completely giving it up, here are a few things you won't miss:
The final nail in the coffin for me was when I started carrying all the time. If some piece of crap is enough of a threat to shoot, I don't want there to be any doubt that I was sober so the bad guy doesn't get me sent to jail, too.
Wow, congrats! I've given up alcohol since last April. Didn't have any withdrawals, though. Hang in there! A church might have some AA style support group for people in recovery, so it's a good idea to look into it.
Praying for you fren...
One day, one hour, one minute, one second. Make the small choices: Not now, not in the next minute, not in the next hour, not today. You are not denying that you want it or can have it. You are choosing not to right now. Micro choices will grow and you’ll get there. Stay strong on the micro choices
This really works. I just played my first gig sober in 40 years, even hung out at the bar with my band members during breaks. I had a great time, played well, and remember it all. The best part was driving home at 1am and being able to wave and smile at the cops as I pulled out of the parking lot.
Yep. In the early days I didn’t make plans outside of “I’m not drinking today and I’m not drinking tomorrow.” It was hard to picture “forever” then.
I’m a doctor and you really should be careful. Have someone able to watch you and take you to the hospital if needed to detox about 72 hrs in you could develop seizures, hallucinate, etc. it’s usually best to slowly taper down.
I'm glad someone mentioned this. Going Cold turkey is very very dangerous
No offense but tapering is a half measure and addicts don’t succeed with half measures. If someone is going to suffer DTs they should check themselves into a hospital, not take more of the drug they’re trying to quit!
No offense but you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about. Alcohol withdrawal can be fatal.
You must be drunk right now because I literally said "check themselves into a hospital". What is with these addict theme threads that bring out all the burnouts?
I agree, just mainly reinforcing the point that cold turkey is dangerous unless they have a very close support system to keep them safe.
I'll give you a very sad example. One of my professors in college, who was universally loved, was a highly functioning but very serious alcoholic. He was also in his 70s. He never came to class drunk or drank at work as far as anyone could tell, but very privately he was a severe alcoholic. He was skinny and very frail, but always very kind and totally lucid and sober whenever you dealt with him, and I never smelled alcohol on him.
I don't know the specifics, but at some point after I graduated he tried to quit drinking and it basically killed him. He lost his marbles badly and just went downhill in a matter of days and soon thereafter he died.
If you're talking about a case of severe alcoholism (or really any serious drug addiction) then absolutely checking yourself into a hospital when you quit is pretty much a necessity. But MOST people who decide to quit are nowhere near that bad off. People in that stage of addiction almost never decide on their own to quit - they usually are put in a position where they have no choice, like incarceration.
But yes I think we can agree that there are cases where cold turkey and white knuckling it are not a great idea. But "tapering" is not a good idea. For those people medical intervention can get them safely through it, but those doctors aren't giving them beers to help them.
Without medical supervision the DTs have something around a 25% mortality rate. There are drugs to go cold turkey on, alcohol is not one of them.
Yes! Get to church! Find a nice spirit-filled, non-denominational Christian Church in your area and go be a part of it! We can't stand on our own, we need the fellowship of other Christians. You're on our prayer list!
Yes! And open the Bible with your family… it’s not a book to study, it’s living and active. It’ll change you from the inside out. Praying for God’s strength for you!
Eh “non denominational” churches are all far left garbage. I say find a good based Baptist church and enjoy it.
As long as it's a Baptist Church that believes in praying in tongues!
Most Baptist churches are pretty chill. The Southern Baptists had a reputation for the preacher shaking people who sat in the front row (which is why if you go to a Baptist church, people still don't sit in the front row) and more theatrical sermons that included things like the preacher busting into speaking in tongues, but churches like that are pretty few and far between these days.
Black Baptist churches tend to get pretty wild though.
There's such a thing as a non-denominational church? I didn't know that.
Yes, they’re still considered Protestant, but they’re not Lutheran, Baptist, Adventist, etc. They’re just independent so results may vary.
You can do this - stick with it!
You got to the point where you made the decision and want to stick to it. That's the worst part. It will get easier. You CAN do this. Im almost 8 years sober and it's the best thing I've ever done for myself. You got this brother. I will be praying for you.
Agreed. It’s been the single greatest relief of my life.
You got this brother. It's been 6 years since I got that demon off my back and I couldn't have done it without God by my side. I prayed so fucking hard for him to release me from the stronghold alcohol had on me. It definitely was a spiritual battle and now you are in the middle of it. I will keep you in my prayers...Lent begins Wednesday. God will help you all you have to do is ask...and make sure you get your ass to Church!
If you were strong enough to "not" get the death vaccine, then you can do this! You already have that power!
It's all poison and your body is a beautiful temple.
Congrats! 👏 Keep it up! You can do it! My bro in law quit cold turkey 15 years ago this September after being a functional alcoholic for 25 years! Best thing he ever did for himself and his family! Lean on them when you want to falter! They will be glad to help you stay sober! Drink lots of water!! 🙏
These are the battles that temper strong Christian Warriors.
Dude GO TO AA MEETINGS. You need support. They can help you! It’s a great, although sometimes hokey, system that works. Church is another great place to find support. Trust me. It is fantastic.
i've been there man. in a week you'll start to feel normal again. When i drank, i started drinking in the morning to "cure the hangover". the cycle started repeating every day. once you get to a certain point, you get like months of hangover come back and hit ou at once. I had hallucinations, intense nightmares shaking, no appetite. I swore i would never get to that point ever again. truly the most horrendous thing i've ever been through in my entire life. Good luck fren, you will do this. Stay close with friends and family and church.
Good luck! I gave up meth the next month and will be 4 years gave up smoking about 15 months ago. in both cases gave it up a cold turkey too. it is possible as long as you were really dedicated to quitting in your mind.
God bless! Yes find a church (ppl) that you can connect with. Try light exercise and sunlight to get through the change...
Cold turkey on Alcohol can kill you. Ween yourself off, don't just stop suddenly.
Go back to church. Jesus saves, for real yall.
I'm in same boat fren.
I'm dealing with intense PTSD symptoms again after coming off some medications ... been to my church 3 weeks now and about to join a group called "Alpha", its about learning why you're here.
I look at my two girls and just feel crushed because all I see is the kid that I had to dispatch in Iraq. I had no choice and it was a clean shoot but I had no option but that and its HAUNTED me for 20 years... my wife is done with me and says I'm not the same person she married. When we married I hid under a blanket of alcohol and Marijuana to survive life... man I just don't know what the fuck to do. Just another broken down Marine who carries too much of a load, a fucking mule. I'm gonna stop drinking and pot, I need to. I will.
Does this mean you will now have sober lunatic ravings? ;) Good for you, we’re all pulling for you!
Welcome to my world
Good for you, you should be proud of your decision and resolve. Not sure what your drinking was like prior to quitting, but if it was significant and frequent, you really need to keep an eye out for serious withdrawal symptoms. Alcohol is one of the few substances that you can actually die by quitting cold turkey
Agreed - blood pressure can SPIKE when quitting cold turkey, so just have a doctor supervise with HTN or hypertension medication support.
If people are hardcore against involving a doctor, make sure to explore herbal HTN supplements and calming agents.
Yoga or any advanced stretching helps to calm you. A lot of stress happens to you when your muscles are too tight and if you loosen them then you feel full body relief.
Since I've started doing it I've had significantly less stress and am a LOT more calmer. Guess when your body is having problems then it throws the problems onto your mind too.
Serious alcohol withdrawal needs medical supervision. It’s heartbreaking to hear stories of those who try so hard to get better, but end up dying from withdrawal.
Yo man good on you!!! If you want something that helped me from recovery it's was taking Bodease from Infowars Store. Its their Tumeric based supplements. Also they got Tumeric 95. Basically you need to restore the liver and detox it. Tumeric Cucuminoids with Black Pepperine aid liver recovery faster than anything I've ever used. My friends who were also former pill abusers swore by it too. Also try out the iodine drops and maybe B12 or a multivitamin. It will really boost you back to where you want to be at. I also noticed that when I had cravings that the Fish Oil or Krill Oil would fight off any cravings.
Hope this helps.
Bodease is legit. NAC is also a good supplement.
You may need help from Church for sure but I found that I couldn’t handle the pressure and the engagement. Also, Day 3 will feel like a triumph but Day 5 to 7 really test your resolve. Find yourself a way to not be alone and feeling antsy.
It only going to get harder.
No drinks since 10-17-16.
My best advice? Ask God to remove the desire to drink.
Meetings are not a long term solution. Get your spirit right.
Hey that’s my bday! My bday present from you was your sobriety. Thank you. Amazing job, good for you.
My friend literally had to be hospitalized from going cold turkey. Do try to taper down or get that medication that helps you.
My favorite saying to myself, and to those who wonder how I quit, when I Had reached the Do or Die stage,... ..I was Broken, So I gave myself to the Only Broken Fixer,.. I Gave my Pathetic self TO God. That was 26 years ago.
I believe in you.
Good job man. Books that might help you are "Quit Drinking without Willpower" by Allen Carr, "Kick the Drink Easily" by Jason Vale, or "the Naked Mind" by Annie Grace. All use pretty similar methods of unpacking the false conceptions people have about alcohol that make it hard to quit and continue abstaining. Very different philosophy form AA. The gist of them is to convince yourself that there is zero benefits to alcohol and what people view as benefits to alcohol are in fact illusions and brainwashing. If a person is convinced that there are no benefits then it doesn't take willpower to abstain. What makes abstaining hard is that people think they are missing out on something by not drinking. Change that mindset and it becomes easy.
Amen brother be strong. Anything is possible with determination. Ask god for strength and he will deliver