I'm thoroughly enjoying Twitter since elon bought it. I actually deleted the truth social which I tried very hard to like but it's just a giant mess. Now i get all the Trump news from here lol.
Elon was right when he said GEOTUS should have called it “Trumpet”. It would’ve been amazing. Perfect symbolism against those trying to silence us. “Trumpet the truth as loud as you can”.
Such a missed opportunity. Trump needs a better marketing team than Devin Nunes 🤦🏼
OP titled this thread very well. I had not really thought of it like that yet. I'm a financial markets guy so I believe in pendulums, mean reversion, what goes up must come down, etc.
None of that seems to apply to Clown World. Just keeps accelerating.
Explain to me how Elon would be limited assuming he could buy Qualcomm components and knows how to build, idk, a Tesla 3 or a spaceship. This isn't uh, rocket science, and the apps in the app stores are all shit-tier freemium spyware. Elon's network has a lot more capital than just him alone and they understand precision manufacturing at an unparalleled level.
I don't doubt that they could get a real competitor on the market at all. I doubt the veracity of their intention. Which is the point of the 'X' project, right? Unified application tied into hardware with an embedded model for trust? Likely using trustless applications built on the blockchain?
What the fuck do we even need android or iOS for? Their spyware or lack of serious innovation since monopolization? Apple's 30% tax on the userbase or it's CEOs extremely fucked up betrayal of the American worker? Paying $1,000 for a computer you can't hook up to a keyboard an monitor, and $100 a month for the privileges of monitored and metered access to the internet?
The challenge isn't creating the device. Elon could make his own phone whenever he wanted.
The challenge is getting normies, who generally don't make their buying decisions on the basis of politics or factors like "breaking a monopoly" or "commitment to data privacy principles", to buy his phone instead of the brands they're used to and already like.
That's always a huge difficulty for a new player in an established market. But with the tech oligarchies it's even more cumbersome to compete with them because they're part of the same cathedral as the media.
So the moment Elon launches his competitor it will be branded the "Q-phone" and the "dangerous new device used by white supremacists". News narratives will run 24/7 claiming it does everything from explode to give Elon access to your nudes. SJWs will demand it be deplatformed, and Amazon and all major brick and mortar retailers will "cave to pressure" and refuse to sell it.
And then Elon's phone will be a niche product used by Elon fanboys and conservative activists, but have a tiny market share compared to apple and google and ultimately not matter. Which is not the goal. The goal is for normies to have it.
This is the same reason Gab, Parler, and Truth Social remain niche services, and while they are great tools for conservative organizing and making sure we have fallback positions if and when we get banned from normie sites, could never be true competitors to twitter, and .win, unfortunately, couldn't be a true competitor to reddit.
And that's what made Elon buying twitter such a brilliant strategic move. Twitter is ALREADY the service normies use. Elon brought free speech to the masses instead of trying to bring the masses to free speech. Admittedly he hasn't been perfect in that regard but he's been a lot BETTER. The government couldn't possibly come up with a justification for blocking the sale that would pass muster with a conservative SCOTUS, Elon doesn't even own any businesses in the same market sector. Twitter couldn't refuse the deal because shareholders wouldn't allow it. And there was no way to deplatform Twitter, it's too big and too mainstream, and the people who want it already have it on their devices, what are you gonna do, forcibly delete it? Then so many people would be pissed off that Elon really COULD launch his own phone and become a major player. His would be the only phone with twitter on it. He threatened that to back them down and they caved.
So for once, it was the LEFT in the position of trying to convince people to abandon the platform they were already signed up to, used to using, and all their friends were on, and instead migrate to an expressly partisan platform for political reasons. And they failed just like we failed.
That's why what Elon did was so smart, but also why he can't just magically take over the smartphone market and outcompete apple and google whenever he wants either. Two sides of the same coin.
The /pol/tard take is holding you back. Drop the memetic it's no longer ours anyways. The adoption issue is very serious, I agree. It is a primary concern of mine. If we can fix that we can fix a lot of things. I had hoped for some regulatory approach but as you know that was raw hopium, and foolish.
I do wonder if Musk could challenge the "duopoly", which is really a cartel. It is an interesting thought experiment and so far I don't see a reason why he couldn't. As for leftist deplatforming, he outed Berkley on this. That was a milestone as SJW rhetoric and labelling comes specifically from them. If he is not in on this he really, really gets it.
I think he could launch a new device and I think it would be widely adopted. I think we'll see a "cultural shift" which will be a blowback against the woke corporatism. I think that this will be orchestrated and we would be fools to accept it then settle down.
You nailed the adoption issue. There is far more going on here and there is also platform abandonment. There is severe market anger as well. People are pissed. They want more than an alternative and this has held us all back.
Both of you make excellent points and this polite discussion is what makes this place so different from Twitter, ironically.
Adoption is a coin flip. The cartel of not just phones but influence would be a negative force. But Elon does have that special PR judo of turning negative headlines into buzz and sales.
Spit balling here... An Elon Musk phone, with built in Twitter and some kind of techy encryption, and maybe able to run on his satellite network and work anywhere, that's already a huge disruptor. Get some privacy features like the ability to manually disconnect wifi, Bluetooth, audio/video and you'd get the far right, libertarians, tech snobs, and beta product people on board. Imagine built in tor or something. I'd buy it.
How is this a /pol/tard take? What, cuz I said normies?
What SHOULD I call the 99% of people who don't hang out on alt-tech websites talking about the "conspiracy theories" that are just 6 months - 2 years ahead of being "breaking news"?
Cuz most people don't do that. The people who have strong opinions on shit like who owns twitter and use alt-tech platforms are the VERY engaged minorities of activists and ultra high information voters.
Normies usually think Apple is top quality & that's y Apple forces them to re buy the same thing every year. They think Facebook is safe to give your birth certificate to because it's a big faceless corps full of anonymous employees (or so I guess).
Please explain to us how, as an example, the Apple iPhone in all of its iterations is more complex than the Starlink project and all of its associated technology.
Pick any metric you feel like, from r&d budgets, time to market, employees count, market cap, elons own words, etc and you will easily see an iPhone as it is today is way way harder to make than spacex rockets and starlink.
If you were to start from scratch and have unlimited money, you would have 10 spacex companies before one Apple and that is being incredibly generous.
PGP couldn't be universally adopted back in the 90s and what did it have? Signing of emails to verify your identity and full encryption of whatever you sent. Now we have DocuSign (tm) and whatever vendor specific encryption that exists today.
I'm not sure what you actually quoted, but I do agree with you that Microsoft is a shitty company. Remember that DOS isn't done until Lotus won't run? Now we have an open source product known as gpg. Everyone keeps trying to reinvent the wheel instead of just improving what already exists. By improving, I mean actually improving the speed and security of existing software. I think that everyone got lost when assembly fell out of style because it was too hard and took longer to develop with. I'm surprised that any of this crap software works today with all the additional libraries and compilers and such. Writing good software takes a long time and effort to get right, but we're not making bank on that.
That's why I still use really old software since on 64 bits, it's just as efficient. Some software has also just grown clunky with a disruptive workflow.
Elon "turning twitter around" essentially sucked the life out of all the fledgling platforms that were being built to respect free speech. He shut the gate right as we were reaching critical mass to abandon IC-controlled social media platforms.
If Elon Musk genuinely insulted the rule of those in power, they'd ruin him - look at what happened to Kanye.
To be fair I’d rather be laughing in the face of the retards rather than stewing in my own brain if I’m going to be killed by tiny pedophiles either way.
I'm not into women that pretend to have dicks. But if I was I would want the actual woman pretending to have a dick than the actual woman with a pretend dick.
This despite the porn sites artificially promoting Trans pornstars. At least people are willing to stand up for their values when they're jerking off if nowhere else.
This is hilarious to me, because I follow a chick on social media that pretends to be an effeminate male (twink) and has lots of followers because of how feminine she looks (because she is an actual female). She even has her own Fansly page and everything to make money from pretending to be male.
It is bonkers to me that that gains any significant following. You'd think guys would either be into effeminate actual boys, or women in a regular way. Who the fuck is this crossover shit for? If you like someone effeminate who is a girl, just fuckin be straight and look at straight porn. Doesn't the actual body shapes and facial features massively overwhelm any clothing and hairstyles?
Along those same lines, we had a married tranny couple in my small town where the husband was pretending to be a woman, and the wife was pretending to be a man, essentially a heterosexual relationship with the roles reversed. Weird as fuck. Eventually the wife decided that she wanted a real woman and hooked up with one, leaving the tranny husband. The tranny husband then ended up marrying a real man, some old biker dude, and getting his genital mutilation surgery done.
Like I said, we are living in an absolute Clown World. It won't end well.
And to be more precise it's a woman pretending to be a man pretending to be a woman pretending to be a man. Remember their image is their delusion not ours
Sooooo. The trannies are upset that someone pretending to be one of them who is actually a biological woman is out competing them? AMAZING! Funny how that works.
There is no theoretical peak, but there will be a peak in reality. Whether clown work is defeated or collapses in on itself, nothing man made is permanent, except perhaps a temporary government act.
If Elon Musk was actually a good guy he would have simply bought Twitter and deleted it.
Oh no, I disagree. This is waaaaaaay better
I'm thoroughly enjoying Twitter since elon bought it. I actually deleted the truth social which I tried very hard to like but it's just a giant mess. Now i get all the Trump news from here lol.
Unfortunately it funneled in the worst of the worst from our side
You don't like all the spam over there? 😂 I still have Truth, but really it's to follow Trump and not anything else.
Elon was right when he said GEOTUS should have called it “Trumpet”. It would’ve been amazing. Perfect symbolism against those trying to silence us. “Trumpet the truth as loud as you can”.
Such a missed opportunity. Trump needs a better marketing team than Devin Nunes 🤦🏼
It's a legitimate strategy
yep that's just how reality works. The more you reject objective reality the more insane everything gets until you wake up
Or die.
DIE-L8RS
Holy mole what a synchronicity!
suddenly
OP titled this thread very well. I had not really thought of it like that yet. I'm a financial markets guy so I believe in pendulums, mean reversion, what goes up must come down, etc.
None of that seems to apply to Clown World. Just keeps accelerating.
Give Greg Mannarino a try for real market analysis.
Concur. This is putting the inevitable fall into the fast lane. The more thos gets highlighted, the faster and harder the fall will be.
Then another site in leftist control would just replace it.
Breaking the cell phone monopoly and distributing secure, private communication software is far more important. This is funny though.
Yes, but that's a bigger project. There are limits to what even Elon can do by himself. He's rich, not omnipotent.
Explain to me how Elon would be limited assuming he could buy Qualcomm components and knows how to build, idk, a Tesla 3 or a spaceship. This isn't uh, rocket science, and the apps in the app stores are all shit-tier freemium spyware. Elon's network has a lot more capital than just him alone and they understand precision manufacturing at an unparalleled level.
I don't doubt that they could get a real competitor on the market at all. I doubt the veracity of their intention. Which is the point of the 'X' project, right? Unified application tied into hardware with an embedded model for trust? Likely using trustless applications built on the blockchain?
What the fuck do we even need android or iOS for? Their spyware or lack of serious innovation since monopolization? Apple's 30% tax on the userbase or it's CEOs extremely fucked up betrayal of the American worker? Paying $1,000 for a computer you can't hook up to a keyboard an monitor, and $100 a month for the privileges of monitored and metered access to the internet?
The challenge isn't creating the device. Elon could make his own phone whenever he wanted.
The challenge is getting normies, who generally don't make their buying decisions on the basis of politics or factors like "breaking a monopoly" or "commitment to data privacy principles", to buy his phone instead of the brands they're used to and already like.
That's always a huge difficulty for a new player in an established market. But with the tech oligarchies it's even more cumbersome to compete with them because they're part of the same cathedral as the media.
So the moment Elon launches his competitor it will be branded the "Q-phone" and the "dangerous new device used by white supremacists". News narratives will run 24/7 claiming it does everything from explode to give Elon access to your nudes. SJWs will demand it be deplatformed, and Amazon and all major brick and mortar retailers will "cave to pressure" and refuse to sell it.
And then Elon's phone will be a niche product used by Elon fanboys and conservative activists, but have a tiny market share compared to apple and google and ultimately not matter. Which is not the goal. The goal is for normies to have it.
This is the same reason Gab, Parler, and Truth Social remain niche services, and while they are great tools for conservative organizing and making sure we have fallback positions if and when we get banned from normie sites, could never be true competitors to twitter, and .win, unfortunately, couldn't be a true competitor to reddit.
And that's what made Elon buying twitter such a brilliant strategic move. Twitter is ALREADY the service normies use. Elon brought free speech to the masses instead of trying to bring the masses to free speech. Admittedly he hasn't been perfect in that regard but he's been a lot BETTER. The government couldn't possibly come up with a justification for blocking the sale that would pass muster with a conservative SCOTUS, Elon doesn't even own any businesses in the same market sector. Twitter couldn't refuse the deal because shareholders wouldn't allow it. And there was no way to deplatform Twitter, it's too big and too mainstream, and the people who want it already have it on their devices, what are you gonna do, forcibly delete it? Then so many people would be pissed off that Elon really COULD launch his own phone and become a major player. His would be the only phone with twitter on it. He threatened that to back them down and they caved.
So for once, it was the LEFT in the position of trying to convince people to abandon the platform they were already signed up to, used to using, and all their friends were on, and instead migrate to an expressly partisan platform for political reasons. And they failed just like we failed.
That's why what Elon did was so smart, but also why he can't just magically take over the smartphone market and outcompete apple and google whenever he wants either. Two sides of the same coin.
The /pol/tard take is holding you back. Drop the memetic it's no longer ours anyways. The adoption issue is very serious, I agree. It is a primary concern of mine. If we can fix that we can fix a lot of things. I had hoped for some regulatory approach but as you know that was raw hopium, and foolish.
I do wonder if Musk could challenge the "duopoly", which is really a cartel. It is an interesting thought experiment and so far I don't see a reason why he couldn't. As for leftist deplatforming, he outed Berkley on this. That was a milestone as SJW rhetoric and labelling comes specifically from them. If he is not in on this he really, really gets it.
I think he could launch a new device and I think it would be widely adopted. I think we'll see a "cultural shift" which will be a blowback against the woke corporatism. I think that this will be orchestrated and we would be fools to accept it then settle down.
You nailed the adoption issue. There is far more going on here and there is also platform abandonment. There is severe market anger as well. People are pissed. They want more than an alternative and this has held us all back.
Both of you make excellent points and this polite discussion is what makes this place so different from Twitter, ironically.
Adoption is a coin flip. The cartel of not just phones but influence would be a negative force. But Elon does have that special PR judo of turning negative headlines into buzz and sales.
Spit balling here... An Elon Musk phone, with built in Twitter and some kind of techy encryption, and maybe able to run on his satellite network and work anywhere, that's already a huge disruptor. Get some privacy features like the ability to manually disconnect wifi, Bluetooth, audio/video and you'd get the far right, libertarians, tech snobs, and beta product people on board. Imagine built in tor or something. I'd buy it.
How is this a /pol/tard take? What, cuz I said normies?
What SHOULD I call the 99% of people who don't hang out on alt-tech websites talking about the "conspiracy theories" that are just 6 months - 2 years ahead of being "breaking news"?
Cuz most people don't do that. The people who have strong opinions on shit like who owns twitter and use alt-tech platforms are the VERY engaged minorities of activists and ultra high information voters.
Normies usually think Apple is top quality & that's y Apple forces them to re buy the same thing every year. They think Facebook is safe to give your birth certificate to because it's a big faceless corps full of anonymous employees (or so I guess).
Phones and their accompanying software are much harder to build than cars and rockets.
Please explain to us how, as an example, the Apple iPhone in all of its iterations is more complex than the Starlink project and all of its associated technology.
Pick any metric you feel like, from r&d budgets, time to market, employees count, market cap, elons own words, etc and you will easily see an iPhone as it is today is way way harder to make than spacex rockets and starlink.
If you were to start from scratch and have unlimited money, you would have 10 spacex companies before one Apple and that is being incredibly generous.
PGP couldn't be universally adopted back in the 90s and what did it have? Signing of emails to verify your identity and full encryption of whatever you sent. Now we have DocuSign (tm) and whatever vendor specific encryption that exists today.
Microsoft is a shit company.
I'm not sure what you actually quoted, but I do agree with you that Microsoft is a shitty company. Remember that DOS isn't done until Lotus won't run? Now we have an open source product known as gpg. Everyone keeps trying to reinvent the wheel instead of just improving what already exists. By improving, I mean actually improving the speed and security of existing software. I think that everyone got lost when assembly fell out of style because it was too hard and took longer to develop with. I'm surprised that any of this crap software works today with all the additional libraries and compilers and such. Writing good software takes a long time and effort to get right, but we're not making bank on that.
" I mean actually improving the speed"
That's why I still use really old software since on 64 bits, it's just as efficient. Some software has also just grown clunky with a disruptive workflow.
Elon "turning twitter around" essentially sucked the life out of all the fledgling platforms that were being built to respect free speech. He shut the gate right as we were reaching critical mass to abandon IC-controlled social media platforms.
If Elon Musk genuinely insulted the rule of those in power, they'd ruin him - look at what happened to Kanye.
To be fair I’d rather be laughing in the face of the retards rather than stewing in my own brain if I’m going to be killed by tiny pedophiles either way.
Are you not entertained?
She's got to be a troll.
Obviously and it's great hahaha
I don't even have a slight clue on what's going on here. Oh well.
Real chick, pretending to be a fake chick, to piss off the real fake chicks.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
That's top Kek. 🐸
Classic Gen x parenting
Real girl straps fake dick to self. Real men get angry because they are fake women.
I'm not into women that pretend to have dicks. But if I was I would want the actual woman pretending to have a dick than the actual woman with a pretend dick.
and have you seen some of these pretend dick attempts? Absolutely horrifying frankensurgery.
Bitter men that are mentally ill are upset at women because they (real women) are something they (the mentally ill men) will never be.
Don't worry Fren, no one does..🐸
As it turns out, more heterosexual men like watching women fuck each other with strapons than want to jerk it to other dudes.
I hate to break it to you but...if you have a tranny fetish...you're a faggot.
This despite the porn sites artificially promoting Trans pornstars. At least people are willing to stand up for their values when they're jerking off if nowhere else.
This is hilarious to me, because I follow a chick on social media that pretends to be an effeminate male (twink) and has lots of followers because of how feminine she looks (because she is an actual female). She even has her own Fansly page and everything to make money from pretending to be male.
What an absolute Clown World live in.
It is bonkers to me that that gains any significant following. You'd think guys would either be into effeminate actual boys, or women in a regular way. Who the fuck is this crossover shit for? If you like someone effeminate who is a girl, just fuckin be straight and look at straight porn. Doesn't the actual body shapes and facial features massively overwhelm any clothing and hairstyles?
Along those same lines, we had a married tranny couple in my small town where the husband was pretending to be a woman, and the wife was pretending to be a man, essentially a heterosexual relationship with the roles reversed. Weird as fuck. Eventually the wife decided that she wanted a real woman and hooked up with one, leaving the tranny husband. The tranny husband then ended up marrying a real man, some old biker dude, and getting his genital mutilation surgery done.
Like I said, we are living in an absolute Clown World. It won't end well.
Lol so fucking weird.
Straight would be looking at no porn, not straight porn.
dang it, I'm in the clown universe again
WAIT! Don't jump yet, take me with you! I've been stranded here for years!
It's like the movie The Philadelphia Experiment on bad acid.
But she's a man as long as she thinks she is a man.
They are guilty of muh hate speech and bigotry for questioning zer's trans-ness!
I can't keep up.
This was the problem with /r/Tumblrinaction
Pedes would read Tumblr posts about gays and Trans 24/7 until their brains melted
Modern Problems requires Modern Solutions.
Ancient Solutions would work as well.
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Just tried to track down the actual post but seems that the real woman with a fake dick had to hide her account because the lonely transformers
https://mobile.twitter.com/lil_phoebee/status/1630338260319830018
It’s hidden by the “original tweet author,” which I think is not “@lil_phoebee,” but the jealous tranny.
Damn, the trannys are fucking insane
Transformers is just stupid funny.
Thanks
Envy and aggressively seeking advancement... Quite man-ish.
Fags
Trans boner is a mans boner.
"Cis" chicks finally sticking it to the man. Pun intended.
Blue on Blue fighting is the best
Shut. It. Down. It's getting worse than Reddit on that shithole.
I'm confused as to who is suppose to be what in that thread
Lol eating their own
🌎🤡🔫🤡
Remember. It gets worse before it gets worse.
I don’t understand the headline. Can someone break it down for me?
My brain just broke
I think it's a bunch of dude pretending they were chicks, or actual chicks who actually transitioned fighting with a real chick with a strap on
I'm the dude playing the dude disguised as another dude!
And to be more precise it's a woman pretending to be a man pretending to be a woman pretending to be a man. Remember their image is their delusion not ours
30k a month?!?!?
Why do incels have so much disposable income?!
this is why people burn in hell
Sooooo. The trannies are upset that someone pretending to be one of them who is actually a biological woman is out competing them? AMAZING! Funny how that works.
Next, let's do athletics.
Oh yes, this is rich. But primarily sad for society as a whole.... still hilarious though.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHhahhhahahahhahahahahhAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHJAHAHAHHAHAHAHJAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAJJAJAHAJAJJAJAJJAJAJAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAH
There's no peak to clown world because there's no limit to emotional excess or wishful thinking.
TIL there is a nsfw Twitter.
Eew.
There is no theoretical peak, but there will be a peak in reality. Whether clown work is defeated or collapses in on itself, nothing man made is permanent, except perhaps a temporary government act.
argh! I went to this twitter.... the dude is just pure sick angy - is there a word for that.
No do women who pretend they're men & chop off their boobs.
That's just a woman knowing she's a woman & pretending to have a penis.
So, even people who want to watch trannies prefer actual femininity to clown world.....
This is just stupid hilarious, or it would be if it wasn't so messed up...
The Great Tran Robbery!