2248 Idiocracy (media.patriots.win) posted 84 days ago by CyanScales 84 days ago by CyanScales +2248 / -0 200 comments download share 200 comments share download save hide report block hide replies
There is no Climate Crisis.
We need to promote our side until they want to debate in public... then we destroy them.
There is an Asia pollution problem though.
If these trains keep happening we will have one too.
Call me Dagny Taggart.
hello Dagny Taggart
I’ll take the man who changed the world for $1000, Alex
Who is John Galt?
CARGO SHIP PROBLEM... Look up their emissions in international waters. All the worlds cars pollution in one trip.
Do you know how I know you're bad at math?
For a start, bunker oil is otherwise a discardable byproduct from the fractioning and refining process. Sure, it's not as easy to burn as the volatiles from the top of the column, but at least it's getting put to use. Those massive maritime engines that can burn that sludge and generate useful work are incredible pieces of engineering.
Now, if you're only looking at the raw pollution per trip for a Panamax class of vessel (and they build them even yuuuuuuuuuuuuuger), then sure, you might have a point. About 50 of them. On an IQ scale.
Now, if you're looking at the fractional pollution per trip of that Panamax when taken in terms of the Intermodal units, you're beginning to get closer to what the unit cost is going to be.
But, since you've started out comparing massive container ships to cars, we need to correct for the cargo carrying capacity of a car, compared to an Intermodal unit (we'll take the 20ft TEU as the baseline). Hell, TWO cars fit inside a TEU for transport (4 for the 40ft containers)... A TEU can take up to 43 cubic metres of cargo, and max out at 21,000 kg of cargo (actually a bit more).
Your standard sedan is limited to less than 600kg of carrying capacity (in general), but we'll bump it up and pretend that we have an SUV / Ute / Truck that can carry a metric tonne (1,000kg) for ease of calculation.
So, we need 21 SUV sized vehicles at max load to even out the capacity of ONE TEU. And that ignores the driver needs.
A Panamax will carry up to 5,000 TEUs, which means we need 105,000 SUVs to meet the capacity of ONE Panamax. Let's pretend, also, that those SUVs can take the same direct line that the Panamax can while moving along.
But, since there's actual figures out there from people who have considered where and how to carry out their intermodal transport of goods, take a look at (https://plan.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/574531/Appendix-O-Greenhouse-Gas-Calculations.pdf).
In the last table, where they've worked out the greenhouse emissions for different cargo options, the CO2 gram emission per metric tonne of transport per km was:
Now, that SUV we were looking at to haul the tonne of cargo will emit on average 200+ g/km of CO2. (before we load it up). Even a "Green" car will emit up to 120g/km of CO2.
For shits and giggles, you can look at other guidelines (https://www.ecta.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/ECTA-CEFIC-GUIDELINE-FOR-MEASURING-AND-MANAGING-CO2-ISSUE-1.pdf).
These suggest air freight on the order of 600 g/tonne-km, pipeline operations at 5 g/tonne-km (pump equipment), barge operations (inland waters) at 30 g/tonne-km.
This guy fucking boats.
This is extremely well written out. People don’t consider that yeah, there is a large amount going out, but don’t ever get to the “but all of the alternatives are far, far worse” stage.
The alternative is build onshore, buy onshore. Stop sending plastic shit 10,000 miles across the ocean
And that's a great solution that we should also be working towards. Up until that gets slammed for being "Nationalistic". Which is also code for "We didn't think of a way to make it appear Green and tax it" by the lefties.
The alternative is have the ship pulled along by a flock of doves, like Dr. Dolittle. Of course then we'd have the animal activists up in arms.
They actually have prototyped / conceptualised the use of kite sails to aid these ships. As to how effective they are against a massive vessel is to be determined (and they look fucking stupid), but they had far bigger efficiency gains just by knocking 10% - 20% off their transit speeds (from 25kt to 20kt).
It's very similar to aircraft. There's a place on the drag curve versus speed where range is maximised, but it's not the same point as where fuel burn is most effective. It's the difference between Max Range Cruise, and Max Endurance (and Max Power). It looks like shipping is trending towards Max Range now (traditionally the most efficient spot for aircraft, so not surprising for shipping).
This is really a great breakdown that I've never seen, and much appreciated. It is impressive how efficient these ships are at moving vast amounts long distances.
I'd always thought the 'Cargo shipping problem' was more an argument for local manufacture - from a 'look how much CO2 we save by not freighting from a country that hates us' standpoint.
Thanks. It's one of those things where I hate the spurious arguments that one side seems to get away with putting out there as if it is gospel truth.
Well, it is truth, but it is a very selective telling of the truth and very, very misleading (since when have the left / greenies been honest about things).
If you want an honest argument about it, it's best to have normalised figures that represent your different options (and which are definitive in their source).
Now, for round two, consider what we might have been force fed about power generation options...
No argument, really. If bulk needs shipping overseas, then shipping is going to be there. To remove shipping, you need to source locally (even shipping needs last mile services, so that's probably going to be close to a wash).
That's really the two options - ship, don't ship. If you're ordering bulk overseas, don't bitch about the CO2 (I never bought into the idea that it was a problem in the first place). It's not like we're going to replace mega-freighters with anything more efficient.
Please send more carbon out to the corn belt, my plants are Hungary.
Hear me out... Nuclear Powered Cargo Ships.
Hear me out: stop buying cheap shit from the other side of the planet.
Your gonna have to stop the "corporations" who decided to move everything over there for slave labor. They also own all the bureaucrats who control the deepstate, and thusly the government. Oh and are arm&arm locked with the banks too. So good luck. I'm sure they will listen to "reason".
I hear we are gonna vote our way out of communism
A functional government would tarrif the fuck out of a hostile regiem that doesnt' follow similar employee protection laws, kinda like Trump was moving towards.
Not gonna happen, third worlders don’t give a fuck
That's a leftist hoax too.
Leftists won't even discuss international shipping, that's racist and white nationalist. Buy more cheap shit from china you bigot.
Yeah, how they gonna get their iPhones?
Shut up and buy an electric car, bigot!
Which will fix itself if Asia stops farming, as they'll all die from starvation.
That's a rough way to go.
They make plenty of falsifiable predictions, but they never let consistently repeated falsification change their minds, because their underlying beliefs are religiously axiomatic. ...or, they know they're lying and just want power. It depends on the cretin, I guess.
And the IPCC actually puts together a Summary For Policy Makers... a document that is FULL OF FACTUAL MISSTATEMENTS MEANT TO DRIVE BUDGETING.
It is Lysenko "science" for money and power.
call it what it really is... a doomsday cult.
EAT ZE BUGS!
white supremacy also isn't the biggest threat to "democracy"
it's hoaxes all the way down
democracy is a cucked beta - in its head, always being threatened.
'll say it to its face.
We should starve the cities into submission or death, whichever comes second.
Gatorade on the crops will help them grow
I bet these kids think food comes from the grocery store too. Most kids nowadays have no clue that factories just don't magically produce food out of thin air and it needs to be grown and raised on farms first.
I guess they assume they make all the food in the back, i wonder where they think meat comes from.
From the nugget fairy to mom's freezer.
I used to think comments like this were sarcastic or jokes. But now I'm seeing people from my generation (gen z unfortunately) who unironically believe some of the dumbest stuff that I have ever heard. I talked to one genius who thinks that the United States imports most of its food supply, and the reason food prices have been rising was because Russia disrupted the food supply chain by declaring war on Ukraine. And for reference this conversation happened in Nebraska of all places.
Much of what is on supermarket shelves comes from massive greenhouse growing operations. For farm raised foods one would need to go to the farmer's market on saturday morning.
It's what plants crave!
It's what plants crave!
it's what crop circles crave
It will mutilate your thirst.
genital quenching needs to end
People wrote books and movies, movies that had stories, so you cared whose ass it was and why it was farting.
Pfft. Amateur. Brawndo is what plants crave.
They are, in fact, that retarded.
They are building "vertical farms." Indoors. With solar on the roof. To run grow lights inside. To make subpar lettuce. Supposedly automation was going to make this cheaper.
They can't figure out why they're not profitable.
Brando! It's what plants crave
Welcome to Costco. I love you.
Can you help me find the time machine
Ow, My Balls!
Dr Lexus will take care of your balls
We used to care whose ass it was and why it was farting.
I found a Trans Machine.....Sorry, I have yet to Find the Time Machine
Go away! Baitin!
When will people realize that YOU are the carbon they're trying to reduce?
That's pretty much exactly what I told people about why I didn't get vaccinated. Said that I 100% believe that the ones pushing it would kill me for a few bucks, with no problem at all.
A few bucks? They'd kill you for a donut!
Imagine starving your child to death so that you can pay for their college. This is what they are talking about.
But Bernie said college will be free
Bernie is backpeddaling on socialism right now...
Biden administration is apparently to the left of Bernie.
The pink and yellow shoes say EVERYTHING you need to know about these soyboys. They do realize soy needs to be farmed, right?
Nice, I hadn't noticed the shoes. What dufuses.
Lol hunting and gathering it is, good luck
Darwinism would solve a lot of problems, incidentally
At least in Idiocracy they were trying to farm, albeit with Brawndo...
Brawndo’s got what pants crave.
Tell them to stop eating and we'll talk.
Anyone besides me notice that with an absence of any religion for these people they have latched on to "science" as a religion acting as if you are the worst blasphemer and heretic for not believing in their faith I mean "science" such as climate change. They are just as bad as the religious zealots who pervert the word of their god.
Yep this is just another Armageddon cult.
Its a cult as old as time. Literally nothing new here except they use a few more scientific ideas to back up their cult.
It was supposed to be a cautionary satire, not a blueprint.
yeah when i think of the man behind the man behind the throne i think of mike judge
This is how communism creates mass starvation.
true but it does reduce the number of poor people
Well yeah, because when everybody is poor, nobody is poor
We can get food from grocery stores instead of farms.
It's pure bullshit. The planet has existed far longer than humanity, and it just now is conveniently facing a crisis?
Personally I couldn't give a shit if every volcano on the planet erupted. We'll die no matter what, but Earth will still be here 1000 years from now and even longer just fine.
People that believe this are the ultimate retards that should not exist on this earth. They are a danger to society and life itself
yeah, seasons are fake af, you dumbass faggot.
Tards live really kick ass lives. My sister is tarded she's a pilot now
You are just specks of dust in the grand cosmos of time.
You are not as significant as you believe you are.
You are not going to 'save the planet'. Don't flatter yourselves.
Look at those little faggots
Neither one of those limp wristed children have ever lifted a watering can before, let alone plant and harvest a vegetable.
If they want to die so bad can they just fucking kill themselves and not try taking us with them?
Inb4 they start watering farmlands with a sports drink... literally salting the earth.
Random video I watched was talking about the cycles of the ice ages on Earth and how we are in a Mini warming period. Then later in the video the person talked like the earth warming was all due to humans.
Brando has what plants crave!
President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho lays down his 3 point plan for fixing the nation.
stop the presses🙄
I always take my advice from faggot hippies in pink shoes
We had words for this kind of thing when I was their age like 'stoner', 'pothead' and 'stupid'. Saying anything like this in class would be self-humiliation due to the sheer ridiculousness of it all.
Why are their chests always caved inwards? Thin at shoulders, yet somehow curves inwards…
"COW FARTS ARE GOING TO KILL US ALL !!!"
So, using Democrat reasoning, growing food will ultimately cause died suddenlies.
He crosses his legs while standing
lol he can because he doesnt have balls
Imagine having the idea to teach young kids to want to stop farming and knowing something so ridiculous would work so easily and well.
"Protest this idea so you starve to death"
It is real power and maniacal.
Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would be better than any President besides Trump in the last 50 years.
That movie was a trailer for life in the near future.
Solar and wind farming need to stop?
Faggot-ocracy. Brought to you by- Single Motherhood and Communism.