349 Live and let live/leave people alone is such a pussy libertarian take. That mindset is why Western civilisation is in such disarray. (media.patriots.win) posted 83 days ago by boiswithatimemachine 83 days ago by boiswithatimemachine +356 / -7 86 comments download share 86 comments share download save hide report block hide replies
I've been mostly a libertarian since I found out what they are.
But the last few years have shown me that I'm 100% a Christian Constituionalist.
We need a country that puts God in the forefront and live off our Constitution with Christian values. Libertarians let trannies, criminals, and fags run wild which will desecrate a society and just give us another approach to where our country stands today.
God forgive me, I too was in the libertarian camp and I see how much damage it's done.
2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Also: Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. ~John Adams
America was built on the idea of liberty and keeping the govt at bay and keeping the govt out of the business of religion. Libertarian Party is frauds and shills who want to trick you into not calling them fags and using more local govt than the feds to push them out of society.
The party are cowards to the NA pact and seem to think that pact hasn't already been broken. Too coward to fight, sounds a lot like most people these days unless life/death.
T H E O C R A C Y
Nick Fuentes recently spoke about Christian Futurism and a new Christian Century.
Fuentes is a closet case
A lot of great thinkers were closet cases. It's open faggotry that's the problem.
Being closeted means they can focus on their studies and works. The problem we face today is all the gays are too busy fucking in public to read books.
Not interested in Christianity speeches from a dude sucking dicks on the DL. Great thinker lol.
I wasn't saying that Fuentes is a great thinker, just saying that being a gay shouldn't be immediately disqualifying if the person isn't out.
He's a brilliant public speaker, unfortunately his rotten tiktok brain will stop him from ever achieving anything.
You will never be a real woman.
Thank God. You into crossdressing fags like Fuentes is?
The basic Foundational principal that Libertarians ALL MISS is:
Without it - all the Freedom and Liberty in the world just amounts to . . .
Blablabla the pedophiles are already breaking the laws. There's no need for more laws. The system is corrupted by judges.
I guess you've never actually read any serious libertarian thinkers. Morality is actually the whole point. You don't have the right to steal other peoples' property or force them to produce anything for another person.
This is the cornerstone of libertarianism: the moral imperative against theft and slavery.
I know Libertarians - and have seen the movement on the street - it may have formed around that seed of principle - but the outcropping today is - free weed' - no responsibility - no laws - I get to do whatever I want... NO ONE sets my boundaries on anything.
None of those are libertarian positions. Not one. Not sure where you're getting this nonsense from, but it's not from any libertarian thinker I've ever read.
Hit the streets... walk up to a Libertarian booth...
And how do you separate Libertarians vs. Conservatives? Why the division?
Libertarians are just logically consistent conservatives.
Two words: Sam. Harris.
Live and let live doesn’t apply to child abuse and compelled speech
Indeed. Violent crimes and the abuse of children are attacks on the victims' liberty. You rob them of the ability to live a life free of trauma and despair, having to reply their experience over and over in their mind for years. And "compelled speech" is just plainly antithetical.
Freedom is paramount. However, the taking of freedom from another only being able to be repayed with the loss of your own, is a reasonable argument that many of us have and always will agree with.
"Live and let live" only applies when you're facing-off against folks with a differing opinion on matters that don't involve destroying lives.
Conservatives need to start conserving stuff
Conserving stuff is not enough. We have lived through a successful leftist revolution. The right cannot afford to be conservatives, we need to be counter-revolutionaries.
Libertarians piss me off the least. 2 cents
WOW really? A small l libertarian believes in Liberty first and foremost. Liberty is the freedom from control. Small libertarians also believe in live and let live, your rights end where mine begin etc. What you fail to understand is that we believe people absolutely have rights granted to them by their creator and those rights cannot be granted by another person. You don't leave a child molester alone to their business. Same with abortion. I can't stand it when a guy shrugs their shoulders and says I have no say in abortion because I'm not a woman. We libertarians also believe collectivists are one of the main problems in the world ;)
This is why I've I moved from the more libertarian to conservative side. You can't " live and let live" with people who won't do the same, who reject the concept of individual, guaranteed rights, and who have as a mission the destruction of your child's innocence and mental health.
The freedom we have enjoyed for over 200 years came from the Christian ethos. It is the atheistic, communist ideology which is working to destroy it.
Sam Harris is the perfect example of why atheists cannot be trusted to defend individual liberty.
Wow, well put. Sam Harris is a great example - super smart guy, but TDS sent him mad.
They are not content to let me live in peace. They demand I use their fake pronouns (meaning they demand that I lie). They invade women's sports and private places. They push for governments to take children from their parents if the parents don't "affirm their gender identity." They enable confused and vulnerable minors to be harmed by predatory physicians and therapists. Crush transgender ideology. Wipe it out.
"Live for nothing or die for something."
"I'm arguing you should stop hurting me."
"I'm arguing that I should hurt you and that it is you hurting me."
"Let's compromise. I'll stop doing the things you think are hurting you and you'll hurt me less."
The 'leave me the fuck alone' stance has been predominately Right ideology. The left refuses to abide by it and we find ourselves in the present situation. They ignore our demands to 'leave the kids alone'!! Now, we are pushing back and they run crying about the results of their actions. Fuck the leftist and especially the TRA. I will defend the children and I couldn't give a shit how much it hurts you. Making the trannies afraid is not a bad thing.
It's not a "pussy" take, it's simply a take that only applies when the population all has an IQ above 90.
Normal people know that trans is a mental illness.
Ironically Hayes makes at least half the point, of the conservatives.
Setting aside the arguments about how all of this dick slicery foolishness weakens us as a nation and undermines everything about society, let's focus on his comment for a second.
Yes, Chrissy, if you would fucking mind your own business and stop trying to push your degenerate "culture" on other people who do not want it, and canceling them when they say so, that would go a long way towards some sort of reconciliation.
But you won't do that, will you, Chrissy. Because you are an ideologically possessed demon.
Bullshit. If people were actually letting people live and let live they wouldnt be forcing faggot propaganda down our throats the same as people who hate faggots wouldnt give a fuck if they were fucking each other at home behind closed doors. You will never convince me freedom is a bad thing. The mindset that we need to do something about freedom is why western civilization is in disarray.
I think you're a stain on the MAGA movement and have no place in it.
I will never align with someone who says we need to "eradicate" transgenderism. Donald Trump does not talk that way. It is not MAGA.
I will align with anyone against the sick woke cult who are pushing biological males into women's sports, pushing sexually deviant drag shows in front of our children, forcing our girls to share bathrooms with biological males.
I worked with a transgender person at my last job. She had a female name and presented herself as a normal female. No pronouns. No woke crap on display. She knew her shit when it came to her job and became one of my go-to people when I needed something from her department. The idea of "eradicating" her feels to me to be the same type of mindset that has our patriots imprisoned in DC.
I was there on J6. That whole God forsaken place thinks of Trump supporters as something less than human. Something that needs to be ground into the dirt and shit on. And you're helping to fuel that sentiment. Thanks so much.
Neither mindset conveys morality to me. Did Jesus talk this way? No, "eradicate transgenders" is all coming out of the Old Testament. The same book that Islam built the Koran on top of and why they talk the same way. You might as well be a Muslim.
I'm a Libertarian. My foundation is the constitution of the USA and the ideas on which she was founded. The ideas of individual liberty and individual responsibility. About creating a land of freedom. Free from religious and political persecution. A land of opportunity where an individual can rise from a life of rags to a life of riches by pursuing their own dreams and through their own hard work. This is what MAGA is.
I was a Libertarian for decades telling Republicans the whole time that they were voting for politicians who will just bow down to the Dems and do nothing more than slow down a little bit the march to socialism. You wouldn't listen and look where that's gotten us. A crooked uniparty that represents something even worse than socialism. Just a criminal mob that is now murdering and falsely imprisoning us to keep their crimes hidden from their brainwashed voters. Thanks so much.
I am aligned with the MAGA movement. Not yours.
I agree with some of what you say - that was bad verbiage - but regardless, I can't get past the fact that you called your trans co-worker "she."
That verbiage is every bit as bad as the "extreminate" comment. It is a flag of surrender. You are literally succumbing to saying that 2+2=5.
We cannot allow them to redefine reality, not even if it hurts someone's feelings. This is a critical line which cannot be crossed.
As far as I was concerned she was a she with a clearly female name. It did not even cross my mind that she was transgender until someone told me. I just worked with this person. What the hell are you suggesting I should have done?
I don't want to know what their personal problems are and I don't want to tell them how to live their life outside of work anymore than I want them trying to push their crap on me. It's called individual liberty. It's the very foundation that our country was founded on. That's the critical line that I won't cross.
If they want to redefine their own reality, I don't care. Pronouns? No. If they're going off into places that the rest of us can't even understand then they can deal with it. Not me.
This battle you want to fight is not a MAGA battle. And you trying to convolute this battle with MAGA is hurting MAGA. This is what I'm upset about and am trying to speak up about.
This particular transgender person did not do anything to anybody but themself. It is wrong to persecute them or try to force them to change because they didn't do anything to you.
If you want to persecute them for what you are afraid they might do, or are afraid of what they will cause others to do or what they might cause society to become, then you are doing the very thing that the first Europeans to escape to this country were escaping from. In that case it was religious persecution. But effectively the same type of thinking.
All this woke lunacy did not happen because of someone like me crossing your critical line. It happened because the crooked Dems decided to call their political opponents homophobes to get their voters to hate them (us.) This is all backlash from that hate.
It is essential to understand that this particular transgender person did not hurt anybody. Because you will never, ever get a Dem to see past that. So if you want to condemn that person just because they're transgender, the Dem will always, always see you as the bad guy.
And this will feed right into their hatred for MAGA and conservatives. There can be ten thousand MAGA patriots talking like me. And then just one of us starts spouting off saying we need to get rid of transgenderism. To shut it down.
The Dems will pick that one voice up and spread it all over social media and their TV networks and newspapers. And that one voice will be what MAGA is to them. And then they will overreact like a bunch of spoiled brats, shoving all this crap in our faces and making life hell for anyone who doesn't climb onboard with them.
Sorry, but frankly your position on this is contributing to the madness far more than me allowing them to live in their altered reality.
We can fight the lunacy because it's gone way overboard. Biological males competing in women's sports is so wrong that even most Dems can see it. Shutting down drag queens performing in front of children. Pulling our kids out of schools that have gone insane with the non-binary crap which is pushing young people towards homosexuality when they may never have had anything to do with it otherwise.
But every time we condemn an individual, who has not hurt anybody, because they are gay or transgender, the hatred from the left and the lunatic backlash all becomes worse. And then all the spineless RINOs take the safe road and abandon us and let these maniacs do what they want.
Please fight the enemy that is hurting us right now. The evil is in the crooked swamp. Not the lone transgender person who might just want be left alone to live the way they feel they need to live.
This is the same sort of thinking that got us to the place where trannies are twerking in front of children.
I'm not saying you should harass your co-worker, but for you to come here, where we are all conservatives, and call someone by pronouns that do not correspond to their biological sex, strikes me as capitulation.
I do understand where you're coming from as far as what "normies" think, but consider this - nobody thought this was normal until the narrative began being pushed, and people became indoctrinated. If no one stands up to it, it will become normalized. But it won't stop there. Polyamory, beastiality, pedophilia will all come down the pike. It's the way leftism works. They always have to have a wedge issue on the fringe to push. There has to be no normalcy allowed anywhere. They will never stop.
You really have to understand the dynamics of what's happening here. Their goal is quite literally to destroy society.
Where will you draw the line? Will you not want to hurt the feelings of "furries" who want to indoctrinate new "pups" into their club?
This is war. Is the guy at work aware of any of this? No. Is he mentally ill and being used to bring about the destruction of the West? Yes. What is the best way of dealing with that is an open question, but on this board, at the very least, we need to acknowledge that 2+2=4.
We do need to stand up to it. We ARE in a war.
I apologize if my verbiage was offensive or if it sounds like I'm capitulating. I'm not. I called this person she because I initially thought this was a she and so that's all I've ever referred to this person as. And for this individual in that situation, I don't care.
I, too, wish that there were no gay or transgender people. But there are. There always have been. And the overwhelming majority of US citizens, including conservatives, have decided that they are not going to address that by exterminating them or outlawing them. It feels amoral.
I believe we have millions of people on the fence right now, people who are starting to wake up. Like Elon Musk. But they will see someone as the bad guy if that person is talking about getting rid of gay or transgender people.
I don't agree that tolerating them is what led to this madness. This has been churned up by crooked Dem politicians trying to get their voters to hate us. And the George Soros types who profit by destroying societies. They want us attacking and fighting each other instead of them while they run off with all our money and live in their remote castles out of the fray.
They used what was largely a lie, that conservatives and MAGA want to get rid of gay people. And their wiling disciples responded with all this lunacy, shoving this stuff in our faces. Literally harassing us with it. Let it be a COMPLETE lie and let them hang themselves with it.
Yes. I do have lines that I will not stomach being crossed. And so do the overwhelming majority of US citizens. And the woke cult is crossing those lines and the millions of people who are just waking up can see it, too. We need those people.
It is very clear that a biological male cannot be allowed to compete on women's sports teams. The woke cult is off the rails. They are the bad guys.
Pushing sexual agendas on young children is off the rails. Trying to transition children and hiding it from their parents is off the rails. Transitioning minors, period, is off the rails.
These things are not a logical conclusion of tolerating gay people. We now have gay people actually speaking out against these things. It's something churned up by a crooked elite using whatever they can to get us to destroy ourselves.
I'm saying we should fight back against these things that the millions of people who are just waking up can clearly see are wrong. It is our job right now to push all of these stories out into the light where everybody can see them.
If we respond by saying this is all the fault of gay people, or the result of tolerating gay people, then we are saying that we should never have tolerated gay people.
That message is not going to fly with all the people who are just waking up. In fact, it is exactly what the crooked elite want us to do. Because it will perpetuate the strife amongst the population.
I'm saying, don't give the enemy that weapon. Let the woke cult that they've created destroy itself. Every time you see a story of a biological male winning a women's sporting event, spread that story everywhere you can.
Every time you see a picture of a pride flag in a 1st grade classroom, spread that picture everywhere you can.
This is what I'm saying we need to do. And specifically not try to demonize or denigrate the individual gay or transgender person or anybody who is choosing to let them be. We're hurting ourselves with that.
Completely agree. I'm a Christian, I don't care at all about the queers. I may not agree with their life choices or understand what's going on in their heads, but guess what, it's not my business or my problem. That said I'll never be friends with someone who's entire personality is whatever letter of the LGBT alphabet they are. People like that are just behaving how they think a gay person or whatever should behave, they've abandoned whatever individual personality they may have had to try and make the other gays accept them.
Yep. I'm on the same page. I actually do not want homosexuality or transgenderism promoted in our society. I can't stand their flags being shoved in my face. If I see two men kissing on my TV I have to immediately shut it off and go do something else, cussing under my breath.
But how do we stop it? It's a battle. Every position we take is going to be reacted to by the crooked Dems. I coexisted with gay or transgender people for decades. They were always low key about it and never shoved it in my face.
All of this woke crap went off the rails after Trump got elected because the crooked Dems painted him and ALL of his supporters as homophobes. That is the reality. It is not because we created a slippery slope by tolerating gay and transgender people.
I got a little terse in my previous comment because OP called me a pussy for being a Libertarian.
But I am trying to help the MAGA movement. We don't need to eradicate gays or transgenders. We need to eradicate the Dems and the crooked uniparty and their woke cult so that we can get back to where we were.
But if we say we want to eradicate transgenders, it makes this task much, much harder. Not to mention, I don't agree with it and I have read a lot of what Trump has written and what MAGA means to him and this idea simply isn't part of it.
Oh wow - I read this as Chris Hayes being on our side…. but he doesn’t mean us he means them, doesn’t he? Wow. Imagine thinking the LGBTXYZ agenda meaning they just want to be left alone 🤯
LIVE AND LET LIVE. NOW TAKE THIS EXPERIMENTAL INJECTION FROM PEOPLE YOU DEEPLY MISTRUST OR I WILL LOBBY FOR YOUR ERADICATION.
I see normal people talk about "wtf is going on with all the cross dressers?" It comes from men, it comes from women, it comes from kids. Most continue to say "do it in your own home." I know women who will stop watching entire channels if they see an ad for a drag reality show. Even the Ru Paul shows.
While we're on this topic... I know women who will stop buying beauty magazines if there's a less than pretty cover model who isn't a celebrity. They will always point out "I want to be the cover model, I will buy the magazine to get closer to that level. I don't want to know I'm already better than the cover model." These are the women who will subscribe to the magazines too and just cancel their subscription "one less thing to pay for."
I prefer the attitude of the crusaders: "Purge all that stand against God and our nation with righteous fury."
None. But we need to make sure they are free to exercise their free speech in public. Why? Not at large because that is implicit support, though some do. A growing number of Mises Libertarians want that for another reason: I want them free to out themselves in public, so they can be SHAMED and HUMILIATED for their behavior. Even gay men I know can not stand the LGBT community at large, it embarrasses them and only increases the likelihood they will be harassed while they do the RIGHT thing and live a quiet, moral life. And that is a larger population than you might think.
I see this as a divide and conquer tactic. Globohomo doesn't give a shit one way or the other on trans issues, but if they can radicalize you against all things LGBTect, they get the boogie man they've been so eager to find to scare the left, and further polarize us. I think the smart move is to stay focused on the messing with kids part. Anything more than that sounds like a trap. Y'all do you, though.
If you want to know about how to form a mass movement you should read the book dictated by the most successful leader of a mass movement in modern history.
Tldr: This is terrible advice. The masses value strength more than equivocation. They would rather follow a strong man with a vision they disagree with than a weak pussy. Shocking, I know...
I mean they themselves don’t practice that ( the jab) so how can he argue this? I don’t care what ADULTS do to themselves but once adults start doing shit to KIDS that’s the obvious line
I've always leaned right. Very very right ...
Eradication is needed
Libertarianism is a psi op to trick liberty loving Americans into letting demons win.
If it was a majority winning argument, the LP wouldn't be such a joke. Libertarians are delusional.
The whole problem with Libertarians is they never win elections. They just continually get butt fucked by the Democrats as their small number of voters bleed away votes from Republicans.
It is because our platforms are the GOP's think tank for new rhetoric. Same as the Green Party is for the Demons. Also, our beliefs are not compatable with governing a nation of this size, true Right-Libertarianism (which is most of us, we are Mises adherents) is only able to govern as much as you can geophysically control. I can not defend myself against an enemy that is out of range, and unless I have a protected place to exercise my liberty I have nothing. A fully Libertarian nation would have to be a confederacy of city-states, which would be too weak and disorganized to defend against a united enemy. The ideal place for Libertarians is in State government, combating against federal expansion.
How about they all stop vaccine and mask mandates, and stop coercing children into mutilating themselves before they talk of live and let live. They are the assholes they think others are.
They aren’t arguing for that though. They want to steal your money and property to support faggots and trannies. You get to pay for their cosmetic/sterilization surgeries, pill popping, and support orgs, as well as indoctrinate your kids to their worldview.
They are cloaking this with a “libertarian” argument.
Ari Drenen is a source of transphobia. Can't stand him.
There's no such thing as transphobia.
Remind me again where any libertarian thinker has ever said that non-violent passivism was part of libertarianism?
It isn't. And never has been. Self defense has always been on the table. In fact, sound libertarians want you to have tanks and jets and any military hardware you can afford to acquire without stealing it.