That's usually how billionaires do it as well. I'd hate to be a donator match to a billionaire and be at a hospital for something serious at the same time as they are.
I know that they've already diversified into avocados. I met an interesting character a couple years ago who told me that he owned at least one avocado orchard and touched on the subject of Mexican cartel ran avocado farms.
Drugs, on the other hand, harm the individuals that choose to take them. The most destructive of those drugs, alcohol and nicotine, are perfectly legal. And most of the harms of drugs like heroin comes from them being illegal - which means no quality control, limited medical oversight, no dosage monitoring, etc.
About a million times more people want to buy illegal drugs on any particular day than pay millions for murder - knowing they will be severely punished if caught. And the odds of them being caught approach 100%, since the assassin would eventually get caught and bargain the clients database for redused punishment.
Your comment was not 'lets tighten access to drugs (including currently-legal ones) based on moral and scientific considerations'. It was a call to decriminalize more drugs.
I wish that was always true. As an ex-special education teacher, I can assure you that drug addict parents do MASSIVE harm to their children, both in the womb and throughout childhood.
And I'm very pro-medical weed, but my decade dealing with the fallout of druggy parents makes me wary of any kind of mass legalization.
You have to be a consenting adult to buy drugs - if they are legal. As it stands now, it's easier for kids to buy heroin than beer.
If you raise your children right, they will stay away from drugs when they grow up. If not, that's a tragedy.
(And so is them becoming alcoholics, sexual deviants, bums, criminals, vegans, or worst of all - liberals.)
But this isn't a problem that government force can solve.
Violent criminals, thrives, trespassing joggers, fraudsters, and people who act inappropriately with children are problems that can and should be solved through defensive force, government or otherwise.
But using government to enforce morality makes the government too powerful. And sooner or later immoral people will hijack that power and use it for evil.
A problem "solved" though government is not solved. We need to solve those problems through strong individuals, families, communities, and voluntary institutions.
People should be free to ban (punish) bad behavior in their neighborhoods, schools, businesses, churches, etc on the basis of contractual agreement.
dude why are you talking about murder? most drugs are legal. they are called prescription drugs and the pushers are physicians with distributors being Big Pharma. Many are addicted to these.
His comment was not 'lets tighten access to drugs (including currently-legal ones) based on moral and scientific considerations'. It was a call to decriminalize more drugs.
The problem with Big Pharma is from the government.
This includes regulatory capture, a corrupt patent system, crony funding, liability limitations, and of course government pushing the dangerous mRNA hack jab by force.
In a Free Market, the medical R&D and pharmaceutical companies would be our heroes - bringing products and services that people choose to pay for to improve and prolong their lives.
dude is an obvious shill for big Pharma and to your point they are one of our biggest problems. vaccines, opioids, you name it. they just want us sick and on drugs for as long as possible.
The only way they can adapt to their products/services becoming legal is to intimidate/murder the legal producers. It happened in some places once the states started legalizing marijuana production.
Guess that just leaves human trafficking, but we really should be cracking down on that (which Trump did, but Biden put a stop to it).
Prohibition was never seriously enforced. There were only 2000 Probation Agents in the whole country, and Rhode Island police, for example, would lock them up if they tried to bust anybody. Corruption was the norm. Tge HBO production Boardwalk Empire was remarkably accurate.
Opium was legal to import, sell, or use until 1915, yet organized criminal groups smuggled it (to evade duty) and routinely killed each other over control of the market. The Tong wars in San Francisco were particularly violent.
Or they could be bombed via air by NG for practice, unless cartels acquired MANPADs from Ukraine or that most-prolific-weapons-dealer we traded for a mentally ill jogger ball player, he's probably out there making moves.
Ukraine? No way the ATF would let the Ukies edge them out of their own turf. Remember when the feds were caught supplying M134 Miniguns to the cartels…
US strike aircraft operate well above detection altitude of any ol’ cartel member wielding a manpad. Besides, it’s better to just use drones. More cost effective, and the MIC loves any excuse to spend more taxpayer $$$ to replace lost inventory.
Like when opium was outlawed in Britain, while the British continued to flood china's borders with opium- where it was also outlawed. Legality and morality have nothing to do with each other. Legality just means you have the government's blessing to do their dirty work.
this. the media tried to act like it was some American Pie Road Trip of four rascally college kids, and one wanted a tummy tuck, and then ThE eViL cArTeL kIdNaPpEd ThEm!
as soon as you looked at their names, it was clear the next sentence was going to be about their criminal history, which they have multiple pages worth. it was gangbangers involved in a drug deal gone bad.
did you know, young blacks have a murder rate over 50x higher than covid? and we turned the fucking planet upside down to eradicate covid.
Nope, I can almost promise you they weren’t. One of my kids is in the cosmetic industry as a cosmetologist- and so she knows where people are going for what procedures. And Mexico isn’t it. Brazil or Portugal or Argentina maybe, but not Mexico. She worked in Atlanta for a while- and she learned all the inside scoop on that stuff while working there. (She was telling us about it bc it was kind of shocking to her.)
My family went to Mexico when I was a teen. We had a local "guide". While driving we got pulled over and our "guide" paid the police a bribe and we kept going.
I've never been back. How are foreigners supposed to know who to bribe and how much? Plus the cartels and corrupt military run shit and millions of people who could have put a stop to this have fled to the US instead.
Simple. Go to a resort in Mexico. They’re beautiful and safe, BUT land in the airport and get on the resort shuttle, do not try to drive yourself ever. Once on the resort, STAY ON THE FUCKING RESORT. Don’t get cocky and try to explore, cause once you’re off the resort, you’re fair game. On the resort it’s great. The people are nice and they’ll kiss your ass and nothing but that will happen if you stay on the resort.
Very good chance that “guide” called ahead and arranged for the police to pull him over just so your fam saw how important paying him for his services was. They’re all in on it together to bilk the rich gringos
"Matamoros’ local government has become compromised by the Gulf Cartel to the point that officials extort local businesses by way of inspections and business licenses."
Hah, so the cartels run the city like democrats. okay.
Mexican government doesn't want to get rid of the cartels. We hold them for zero blame. It's a joke. The Mexican cartels are the equivalent of the American CIA. but, you know- the crappy Mexican version.
I believe this bc I’ve never heard of the Mexican military or navy. I mean, I know they have them for protection from outsiders, but internal affairs are solely ran by the cartels, it seems- so much so that noone ever hears anything about their internal security forces, at least that doesn’t involve them being controlled by a cartel.
Have a buddy who has lived across the border from Matamoros for the past 20 years.
He said that it was cool to cross the border into Matamoros around 15 years ago. Ever since then it has turned into a Cartel shithole that should always be avoided.
was just reading the news bc most everything on here these days is ragebait, and found this interesting.
I am relieved, though, that the cartels turning over five of their dumbest crooks was not an acceptable remedy. I personally wouldn’t go to Mexico, but a lot of people I know still do.
And yea, I definitely think the kidnapped people have a story of their own, too. This just wasn’t that. I do believe they were drug running.
Ambulance would be the best way to move drugs, weapons, and personnel via roadway - is a cop car going to pull over an ambulance with sirens and lights going? No. It's also a good size for moving quantities of material quickly.
An ambulance would be pretty effective plain sight camouflage. However, the problem with this idea is that there would probably be radio chatter of an ambulance en route with emergency service (requiring lights & sirens). Better to drive with no lights or sirens, otherwise it might draw unwanted attention.
That's a BIG market.. one that I usually lump in with human trafficking. I'm guessing the majority of people who disappear and are never found supply this market.
I didn’t think about that aspect of it. But could be why they control a hospital- and not just to sew their cartel members back up when they get in firefights or whatever.
Also probably hold it so that their higher-ups can get treatment, without fear of being picked up by the police.
Sway? They straight up have them by the balls.
Touche
Thanks TLAs.
I just may...
what is sway?
Influence.
Just another reason to say away from the healthcare industrial complex as it has apparently associated itself with the cartels.
You are so right dude. Get in an ambulance and end up being kidnapped and trafficked.
How much you want to bet this happens too
Cartel to the hospitals: “We have some people who are checking in for kidney transplants”
Hospital: “But, we don’t have the kidneys”
Cartel: “You have a hospital full of them. You know what to do”
Hospital: “We’ll make it happen”
That's usually how billionaires do it as well. I'd hate to be a donator match to a billionaire and be at a hospital for something serious at the same time as they are.
Legalize and tax drugs, and the cartels are out of business.
Less crime, less poisonings, and lower taxes on the rest of us.
Or they'll just find a way to adapt, as smart businesses often do when their business model is no longer sustainable.
I know that they've already diversified into avocados. I met an interesting character a couple years ago who told me that he owned at least one avocado orchard and touched on the subject of Mexican cartel ran avocado farms.
My buddy owns restaurant and said the exact same thing.
When you buy avocados out of season (meaning from Mexico), you're supporting the cartel.
Drugs being illegal is a huge opportunity for organized crime.
If they can go legit and provide value in a Free Market, good. But I doubt they can compete with the world's best pharmaceutical companies, etc.
Murder being illegal is a huge opportunity for organized crime.
If we just decriminalize murder then we undercut the hitmen. It's the fReE mArKeT ya'll.
Libertarians are like stupid little children with big appetites, no morals, and a head full of naive imaginings. Grow up.
Best comment yet. "Libertarians are like Stupid little children with big appetites..."
Yes, and obviously murder is illegal. No civilized society is possible without that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle
Drugs, on the other hand, harm the individuals that choose to take them. The most destructive of those drugs, alcohol and nicotine, are perfectly legal. And most of the harms of drugs like heroin comes from them being illegal - which means no quality control, limited medical oversight, no dosage monitoring, etc.
About a million times more people want to buy illegal drugs on any particular day than pay millions for murder - knowing they will be severely punished if caught. And the odds of them being caught approach 100%, since the assassin would eventually get caught and bargain the clients database for redused punishment.
Your comment was not 'lets tighten access to drugs (including currently-legal ones) based on moral and scientific considerations'. It was a call to decriminalize more drugs.
Yes, the government should not have this power - especially on Federal level.
The effort to condemn bad behavior begins at home and in local communities.
Government prohibitions don't make people moral.
I wish that was always true. As an ex-special education teacher, I can assure you that drug addict parents do MASSIVE harm to their children, both in the womb and throughout childhood.
And I'm very pro-medical weed, but my decade dealing with the fallout of druggy parents makes me wary of any kind of mass legalization.
Tell that to the families and children of the drug addicts.
You have to be a consenting adult to buy drugs - if they are legal. As it stands now, it's easier for kids to buy heroin than beer.
If you raise your children right, they will stay away from drugs when they grow up. If not, that's a tragedy.
(And so is them becoming alcoholics, sexual deviants, bums, criminals, vegans, or worst of all - liberals.)
But this isn't a problem that government force can solve.
Violent criminals, thrives, trespassing joggers, fraudsters, and people who act inappropriately with children are problems that can and should be solved through defensive force, government or otherwise.
But using government to enforce morality makes the government too powerful. And sooner or later immoral people will hijack that power and use it for evil.
A problem "solved" though government is not solved. We need to solve those problems through strong individuals, families, communities, and voluntary institutions.
People should be free to ban (punish) bad behavior in their neighborhoods, schools, businesses, churches, etc on the basis of contractual agreement.
dude why are you talking about murder? most drugs are legal. they are called prescription drugs and the pushers are physicians with distributors being Big Pharma. Many are addicted to these.
His comment was not 'lets tighten access to drugs (including currently-legal ones) based on moral and scientific considerations'. It was a call to decriminalize more drugs.
So basically just transferring the profit and influence from criminal cartels to the same big pharma that orchestrated the Covid Shot Scam?
The problem with Big Pharma is from the government.
This includes regulatory capture, a corrupt patent system, crony funding, liability limitations, and of course government pushing the dangerous mRNA hack jab by force.
In a Free Market, the medical R&D and pharmaceutical companies would be our heroes - bringing products and services that people choose to pay for to improve and prolong their lives.
dude is an obvious shill for big Pharma and to your point they are one of our biggest problems. vaccines, opioids, you name it. they just want us sick and on drugs for as long as possible.
The only way they can adapt to their products/services becoming legal is to intimidate/murder the legal producers. It happened in some places once the states started legalizing marijuana production.
Guess that just leaves human trafficking, but we really should be cracking down on that (which Trump did, but Biden put a stop to it).
It’s like nobody paid attention to Prohibition.
Prohibition was never seriously enforced. There were only 2000 Probation Agents in the whole country, and Rhode Island police, for example, would lock them up if they tried to bust anybody. Corruption was the norm. Tge HBO production Boardwalk Empire was remarkably accurate.
Opium was legal to import, sell, or use until 1915, yet organized criminal groups smuggled it (to evade duty) and routinely killed each other over control of the market. The Tong wars in San Francisco were particularly violent.
I wonder how accurate this series was about the Tong Wars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOruzUrPyTE
I'm a student of history, and a goof.
Every time I use tongs while cooking I yell "TONG WAR! TONG WAR!" at my kids, and they have no idea how funny I am, sad.
Exactly, it was fairly accurate. Basically made criminals rich and powerful.
Or they could be bombed via air by NG for practice, unless cartels acquired MANPADs from Ukraine or that most-prolific-weapons-dealer we traded for a mentally ill jogger ball player, he's probably out there making moves.
Ukraine? No way the ATF would let the Ukies edge them out of their own turf. Remember when the feds were caught supplying M134 Miniguns to the cartels…
I don’t remember this. When did it happen?
US strike aircraft operate well above detection altitude of any ol’ cartel member wielding a manpad. Besides, it’s better to just use drones. More cost effective, and the MIC loves any excuse to spend more taxpayer $$$ to replace lost inventory.
Why do you think our government wants to change things?
Drug cartels are like OPEC or the CCP: buyers of influences and producers off off-the-books cash.
KEK.
Oklahoma legalized pot. If you think that “legal” pot isn’t coming from the cartels, I have an oceanfront property in Ada to sell you.
The implication that it’s just democrats they own is false.
Arizona has entered the chat...
Ron Paul would have paid bounties to people going after sea pirates, terrorists, and other organized crime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque
Of course, who was going after those pirates but other pirates, except now they got to be called "privateers."
Sir Francis Drake has entered the chat
That’s fine, actually.
Good. Whichever side does, nothing of value is lost
Like when opium was outlawed in Britain, while the British continued to flood china's borders with opium- where it was also outlawed. Legality and morality have nothing to do with each other. Legality just means you have the government's blessing to do their dirty work.
Interesting. I’ve heard of this before, but never gave it much thought.
So it’s kind of like the FBI using criminals or criminal-adjacent people as CI’s, because they live and work and think like the criminals themselves.
Sounds suspiciously familiar to me too.
https://youtu.be/YSP9NteApqI
here's Ron Paul talking about issuing Letters of Marque and Reprisal.
We also need a wall around the communist urban shit-holes.
They are not America. We need a national divorce.
Drug dealers were killed by Mexican gangsters. Good riddance.
this. the media tried to act like it was some American Pie Road Trip of four rascally college kids, and one wanted a tummy tuck, and then ThE eViL cArTeL kIdNaPpEd ThEm!
as soon as you looked at their names, it was clear the next sentence was going to be about their criminal history, which they have multiple pages worth. it was gangbangers involved in a drug deal gone bad.
did you know, young blacks have a murder rate over 50x higher than covid? and we turned the fucking planet upside down to eradicate covid.
This whole thing smelled off from the beginning. Those 4 folks aren’t going to Mexico for a tummy tuck. No way.
Nope, I can almost promise you they weren’t. One of my kids is in the cosmetic industry as a cosmetologist- and so she knows where people are going for what procedures. And Mexico isn’t it. Brazil or Portugal or Argentina maybe, but not Mexico. She worked in Atlanta for a while- and she learned all the inside scoop on that stuff while working there. (She was telling us about it bc it was kind of shocking to her.)
My family went to Mexico when I was a teen. We had a local "guide". While driving we got pulled over and our "guide" paid the police a bribe and we kept going.
I've never been back. How are foreigners supposed to know who to bribe and how much? Plus the cartels and corrupt military run shit and millions of people who could have put a stop to this have fled to the US instead.
Simple. Go to a resort in Mexico. They’re beautiful and safe, BUT land in the airport and get on the resort shuttle, do not try to drive yourself ever. Once on the resort, STAY ON THE FUCKING RESORT. Don’t get cocky and try to explore, cause once you’re off the resort, you’re fair game. On the resort it’s great. The people are nice and they’ll kiss your ass and nothing but that will happen if you stay on the resort.
You could instead go to a country, I don’t know, that won’t result in getting your head cut off that is also beautiful and tropical
That list is dropping...
Very good chance that “guide” called ahead and arranged for the police to pull him over just so your fam saw how important paying him for his services was. They’re all in on it together to bilk the rich gringos
Wouldn't surprise me, it felt a little fishy.
"Matamoros’ local government has become compromised by the Gulf Cartel to the point that officials extort local businesses by way of inspections and business licenses."
Hah, so the cartels run the city like democrats. okay.
This is sadly 100% accurate.
Mexican government doesn't want to get rid of the cartels. We hold them for zero blame. It's a joke. The Mexican cartels are the equivalent of the American CIA. but, you know- the crappy Mexican version.
I knew it and I posted about this days ago.....cartels to not apologize so who's doing the trafficking I asked...
Cartel controls everything. It is the the border government
I believe this bc I’ve never heard of the Mexican military or navy. I mean, I know they have them for protection from outsiders, but internal affairs are solely ran by the cartels, it seems- so much so that noone ever hears anything about their internal security forces, at least that doesn’t involve them being controlled by a cartel.
Everything is cartel if it involves money
Mexican cartels commit murder l so frequently in TX it doesn’t even make National news like this story.
Hell, them and ms13 do it so much in Maryland it’s barely news
Our local place contracts EMS, but our old hometown did not- they were all firemen with EMT certification.
(EMT services on the public dollar will turn out exactly as one might imagine, IF there is high enough population of welfare recipients.)
Have a buddy who has lived across the border from Matamoros for the past 20 years.
He said that it was cool to cross the border into Matamoros around 15 years ago. Ever since then it has turned into a Cartel shithole that should always be avoided.
Hoping that Progesso stays safe.
Big scoop! The Gulf cartel has a hospital in their pocket! Maybe even the police too.
I thought the article was going to tell us the reason this group traveled thousands of miles to a cartel controlled border city.
was just reading the news bc most everything on here these days is ragebait, and found this interesting.
I am relieved, though, that the cartels turning over five of their dumbest crooks was not an acceptable remedy. I personally wouldn’t go to Mexico, but a lot of people I know still do.
And yea, I definitely think the kidnapped people have a story of their own, too. This just wasn’t that. I do believe they were drug running.
Ambulance would be the best way to move drugs, weapons, and personnel via roadway - is a cop car going to pull over an ambulance with sirens and lights going? No. It's also a good size for moving quantities of material quickly.
Now I really hadn’t thought of that!
An ambulance would be pretty effective plain sight camouflage. However, the problem with this idea is that there would probably be radio chatter of an ambulance en route with emergency service (requiring lights & sirens). Better to drive with no lights or sirens, otherwise it might draw unwanted attention.
Looks up "used ambulances" 😌
Dude, the entire country is run by the cartels...
They were there to buy drugs. Nuff said
They never get tummy tucks especially with rep sheets that long....all 4 of them
Organ harvesting perhaps?
That's a BIG market.. one that I usually lump in with human trafficking. I'm guessing the majority of people who disappear and are never found supply this market.
Think of the massive number of people who head for the US border, many children who probably never make it.
I think this is the black hole they fall into.
I didn’t think about that aspect of it. But could be why they control a hospital- and not just to sew their cartel members back up when they get in firefights or whatever.
Also probably hold it so that their higher-ups can get treatment, without fear of being picked up by the police.
Anything is possible when anything is for sale.
All possible, they run Mexico pretty much
This is probably racism tbh. The Americans were black in case anyone missed that part.
Thank you for knowing that ‘alot’ is not a word, but that ‘a’ and ‘lot’ are two separate words. Also, build the wall. FJB.
Alot is a word, actually. I alot you zero points in total.
"Allot" is. "Alot" isn't.
Heh
My first sticky🤩
this looks like an AI generated image...
lucky they werent cut into pieces while alive and have their faces flayed and worn by the psycho foot soldiers of the cartels.
For the transgression of a land many [are] the princes thereof: but by a man of understanding [and] knowledge the state [thereof] shall be prolonged.
- Proverbs 28:2 (KJV)
It's Raymond Reddington.
This will be happening in California soon enough.
I think so, too. And Arizona.
Will be? Did you hear the Speaker of the House had her house broken into and a wacko drug addict bashed her husband in the skull with a hammer?
Nobody in that shithole is safe bro.
Yeah drugs
Oh, geez. This will be really big. Think it might be an election issue?
Yeah let the cartels know you’re looking for their moles now. Idiots.
Start bombing this terrorist narco state already.