1825 San Francisco Bay Area to Phase Out Natural Gas Furnaces and Water Heaters (townhall.com) posted 82 days ago by Trick 82 days ago by Trick +1828 / -3 Liberal Area to Phase Out Natural Gas Furnaces and Water Heaters townhall.com 319 comments share 319 comments share save hide report block hide replies
so they will turn off your power to let you freeze so Amazon and Pepsi can charge their EV delivery fleet.. better burn it all down!
Nobody will freeze, it never gets below 45 degrees in SF. It's just about control. They need everything to be electric and connected to wifi so they can monitor and control people.
Cheap energy is what gives us the ability to be free.
This is going to overload the grid even more as if it wasn't already enough. These woke politicians are absolute morons. WTF is next gas powered lawn mowers?
If any home owner there had some common sense this right here would be the writing on the wall. Cant believe people there just take this crap.
Count on it. You know it's coming.
Just roll out those rotating blade push mowers and force the fat, blue-haired hambeasts to push them around the yard. It is a workout for even a strong, healthy, virile young man like myself.
If I recall California has already banned small gasoline powered engines starting in 2024.
Those illegal immigrant lawn services better get to stealing some electric mowers.
Hah. It's a ban on sales of new gas mowers in-state. Immigrant lawn services will either get theirs from Mexico, or they'll buy "used never ran" ones at new prices.
The law will only hurt law abiding citizens trying to do the right thing.
California is banning Californians
Minnesota already pushed a bill banning sales of gas powered yard tools starting 2025.
Don't think it passed yet, but it's coming
Rural folks trying to manage their acres of land with electric chainsaws and crap…
Yeah, it's extreme stupidity... If it passes, people will just buy from Dakotas, WI, or IA
Less demand for gas powered yard tools and gasoline means a higher price for both. Count on seeing the switch back to them in 10 to 15 years after record profits have been made.
There are pneumatic chainsaws.
But yeah people are just going to keep using gas powered tools and bring them in from free states.
Maybe get the fuck out of a state that won't "allow" you to own a gas mower.
Less stuff out of the garage for the somalis to steal at least
Battery powered or corded is lighter > easier to steal
Seems Minnesotans would simply protect their possessions with locks bearing English instructions and requiring a 70 IQ to defeat.
Minnesota is similar to California in rural vs city, Trump runs everything outside of the twin cities but the majority of vote stealing happens in the shithole...
I love my reel mower, and it's a good workout. It also is a cleaner cut and quiet. Those fatties would hate it.
I love my gas furnace. If the power goes out in the cold, it doesn't take much from my little generator to keep the major house items running.
Yep, I have a generator as well, just for the big stuff (gas furnace, fridge, well pump) and a single circuit for lights.
The power company here got so efficient and aggressive with trimming the trees back from the power lines, I've never had to use it in over 10 years. The longest we've been without is 4 hours. I didn't even bother with the genny, it was kinda fun.
We don't often either. The fiber company came through and hit a line one day and knocked it out for 8 hours. Came in handy. It's I small inverter generator and dual fuel. Just in case shit. Have the family to watch out for.
It's an insurance expense, you'd just as soon not have to use it. It doesn't mean you don't buy it.
I own a nice Stihl chain saw for similar reasons. About 10-12 years ago we had a windstorm that literally blocked all three of the major entrances to our subdivision. Fortunately there's a back way into the neighborhood that I used to get home that night (had been at an event). You had to know about 10 turns to use it, really confusing street layout, and GPSs weren't what they are today.
The next morning the trees were still down, me and the long time next door neighbor were out in the driveway talking, when the new guy across the street came in asking how to get out of the neighborhood, that every way he knew was blocked. We told him you could get out, but he'd never figure it out! LOL
Anyway, that event made me buy a chainsaw just in case.
I also have a chest freezer with close to $800+ in meat. Way easier to fire you the gen. I get free shit where I can though. My gas mower was free and 2 snowblowers. Just needed some heavy maintenance. I use the gas mower for the first and last mow of the year.
BuY a ShEEp!
I grew up with sheep. I can't have farm animals per township unless I have xx acres. Goats are also great for the non grass
BuT mUh CliMatE Fahtz
We are nothing more than one sun fart away from total annihilation. So kiss my ass. 😆
Where I live (Texas) --- people have 5 acre lawns..
Good luck with that.
Battery assisted push mower!
I mow my chicken run --- with chickens.
I tried sheep ---- they kept watching TikTok videos.
I'm jelly. Used to live on 13 acres as a kid. Id honestly consider a rider and gang reel if I had acreage. We have a rider my dad has he hauls to the cabin to mow the sand mound and grass area on occasion. I just like the reel. It's quiet and gives me some Zen time. I enjoy it
I'm pretty sure that's already in the works for all of Commiefornia. At the end of the day I don't care what they do anymore in that hell hole
They should change their nickname to the "Pound me in the ass" state
It is the moto in many cities
And just how in the fuck do they think they're going to enforce this bullshit?
Actually you're right. Newsome has already signed legislation to ban small engines by...2035 I believe. No lawn mowers or weed whackers.
What's the cc limit? WTF is the forestry service , county or city maintenance going to do? I don't live there, never have. Coming from Texas this just blows my mind as even here we have our own problems with the grid.
I stand corrected. They're stopping small engines less than 25 horsepower by Jan 1 next year and no gas vehicles by 2035. No cc mentioned
Idiots. So your ride on mowers will start at 25hp. Which mostly just cuts out the low end of the market. Chainsaws that powerful will be… interesting.
Pneumatic Chain Saws are a thing. So there are some options.
there are still benefits to ICE powered RC aircraft, drones, etc...
talk about retarded - statistically speaking you can go as macro as the entire West and it's literally India and China that produce most of the world pollution - assuming you wanted to entertain the idea of anthropomorphic climate change...
That's because it is.
They won't be able to enforce such a thing but the retailers / market will be pressured. Have they tried phasing deez nuts?
Fren that shit is already banned in CA, it just isn't in effect yet.
I AM MOVING OUT OF THIS FUCKING STATE NEXT WEEK.
A lot of the liberals out here seethe at the people leaving and actually think they are stealing wealth and capital. They want Newsom as president so he can somehow get it back from the people who have been leaving for decades. Just nuts.
I am moving within a few months myself.
I know it's mostly political jockeying on the faggotards part and it probably won't happen (though you can never tell in 🤡🌎), but I am NOT PAYING reparations. Also that recent nanny state proposition banned a nicotine product I use daily. Neither one of these was the last straw, just saying, things are getting more and more ridiculous here by the day.
I have a pretty well paying job that I am greenlit to switch to remote, so the seething liberals are not entirely wrong. Fuck em. Congrats on your escape!
Thanks! What gets me is what they often seethe about people who have left (even decades ago) is that they believe it is THEIR (the liberals) money that former residents are taking. Almost like Zero's "You didn't build that!" philosophy. The state made you who you are, not you. What next...an exit tax?
We just moved to Arizona, you won’t be sorry leaving California!
Nevada for me but Arizona is also a good choice.
You'll NEVER understand the liberal mindset if you think about the consequences ahead of time.
They already introduced legislation on gas powered lawn equipment... not shitting you
It still gets cold AF. We had a 3 day blackout. I still burn firewood so I was ok. But a lot of people weren’t.
People don't seem to understand why you should always have at least one fireplace/wood burning stove in your home.
Some will learn between this year and what's coming next year.
They can also enjoy waiting 20 minutes for their water to heat up
While you won't freeze to death at 45 degrees, that is a very cold inside temperature.
But fuck San Franciscans and Californians. Conservatives once owned the state and Hollywood. Ya let it go.
California is mostly rural and conservative. Our elections are rigged because democrats control the electoral system. If you remove the Bay Area and LA, you'd see that California is majority red.
If you take the time to look at a red/blue map, you'll see that the bluest state in the nation is actually New Mexico.
There is a 0% chance that Katie Porter won
Which makes the fact that California turned into a blue ran shit hole, even more depressing. If conservatives in California can't stop commies, we're screwed..
Thanks for doing nothing they last idk, 80 years.
The 2nd greatest president in the past 80 years this country has ever seen was governor of California in the 70's.
Our elections got corrupted after Arnold "screw your freedom" Schwarzenegger helped democrats take control of the electoral process. Again, the majority of California is mostly rural and conservative. Remove the Bay and LA and you have a deep red state.
Major cities dominate. California has San Diego, LA which is essentially 30 cities, bay area which is also numerous cities. I assume Sacramento is blue as hell.
Maybe you conservative Californians should, idk, fight back?
I'm seeing what happened to your state, happening to mine. If you go by the 2020 election numbers, Kansas only voted like 60% for Trump. Kansas City, Wichita, Topeka, Lawrence, and Manhattan all were Biden. But when you drive through any town less than 80,000 people, all you see is Trump and God.
Those lefties leaving batshit states, are coming to Kansas City. I'd rather live amongst illegal immigrants from South America, than rich libtards, most of whom are white.
45 degrees inside your house with no wind and rain really isn't that bad. I haven't bothered heating my house this winter and it hasn't gotten below 50 something degrees and I live in the Northeast.
Yes it is. Otherwise, agreed room temperatures would be much lower.
I'm a Kansan, gets pretty cold in December and January. It's very very windy, especially the western half of the state. It doesn't get Wisconsin Cold, at least not for the length of the northern states. We see negative wind chills many many times. When it's below zero, 45 feels like 90. But it ain't comfortable. And I'd much rather be in 68 than 45, and I believe you would too.
Sleeping is a totally different animal. I sleep much easier in cold than hot for damn sure. I know people who won't kick on the air until the thermostat says 83. Fuck that.
California is a red state that was destroyed by the shittiest president in history: Ronald Reagan.
They don't want anyone to live there.
Just order more degrees on Amazon. Owned!
Third World State inbound!
If it wasn't for the technology, it would be an Amish Paradise.
It doesn't get freezing or too hot in SF because it's a bay but it's a city so...still pretty funny. I haven't been for 10 years and it was pretty trashy then but man has it gone down hill.
I lived "there" when I was 10-15, around 1999, and it was beautiful, clean, homeless-free, and kids my age could wander downtown unsupervised.
Pepsi's Tesla semi truck already broke down
They're bringing the homeless experience to the regular people of SF. Very equitable of them!
"“The 1.8 million water heaters and furnaces in the Bay Area significantly impact our air quality, resulting in dozens of early deaths and a wide range of health impacts, particularly in communities of color,” "
And there ya have it folks.
Controlling the masses through the propaganda of "equity and safety".
The language of commies.
These fools would starve millions to feed one family.
Only if they were black trannies
I thought that was from climate change? Or Marijuana? Or the covids?
Jesus warned us about equity
Lack of heating and air conditioning kills people too...
From the very last paragraph.
Looks like Escape from L.A. was about 337 miles too far south.
More like escape from L.A. county. It's just one huge commie shithole at this point no matter what part you live in.
Hopefully they can still chase Steve Buscemi via surfboard.
Paging San Andreas fault line! Paging San Andreas fault line! Clean-up in aisle 6!
Cleanup in aisle 415.
thanks for the improvement. I couldn't think of an appropriate number... didn't think of zipcode! Duh!
415 is the San Francisco phone area code
"All you had to do was follow the damn Train!"
Holy crap man, what the hell is going on???? Is anyone going to stop this madness???? We can't let the government start outlawing out appliances, come on!!!
The authoritarian Left is just getting started.
"From my cold dead hands"
No one will stop it until it gets much, much worse. Our side has proven our unwillingness to act
We let it start happening generations ago with "Consumer Safety Regulations" and touchy feely feminized government. Nothing wrong with safety, but the market needs to drive it. Not government.
Slippery slope. Going way back to seatbelts and even further. I think it officially started when we gave women the national right to vote (1920) but probably goes back decades before that.
The creation of the FTC was also pivotal. The Federal Trade Commission was created on September 26, 1914, when President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Trade Commission Act into law. The FTC opened its doors on March 16, 1915.
Fucking hell.... how do stop the insanity?
Quit paying them to do it. I had to significantly change my life but I no longer pay income tax.
But hey, at least you can chop off your son's penis and kill your unborn child, amirite?
The evil obsession with telling others how to live.
Because coal burns cleaner?
Not what she said. Had to pay a toll
San Franshithole has "elected" Pelosi for 40+ years, it should be no surprise that it's going straight to hell fast.
Sadly the ones fleeing will bring their shit politics with them to red states and vote in the same commies to implement these same shit policies.
My Uncle moved out of the Bay Area because of high rent, crime, bums, high taxes and gun control laws.
Moved to Nevada, voted for Biden...
Your uncle is a dumb faggot.
Eugene, Oregon is doing this too.
Coming soon to a shit hole Democrat city near you.
Residents: “How will we heat our homes 🤔?” City Counsel: “The warmth that virtue signaling generates 🤓”
Yeah just make its even more expensive. Then you can give 5m to whatever race you want this month
I swear if I hear one more retard talk about electric heat pumps like they are the world’s greatest invention. This is who is making these decisions. They don’t commission studies. They don’t even bother reading about this shit. They go to a seminar and decide your future. They need to be removed from society.
Electric heat pumps are the future of home/industrial HVAC, but they're not there yet. Give it 5-10 years and we'll probably see some mainstream/reliable products.
Electric heat pumps don't work below a certain temperature because the air outside is just too damn cold. You aren't living in the world of tomorrow.
Electric heat pumps will work all the way down until around -15F, and after that they can turn on the less efficient resistive heating (aka 'space heater') method. It's not the best at low temps, but it can certainly still work.
This just means that your electric bill will go sky high whereas natural gas has a much higher BTU.
No their efficiency drops off a cliff, I've gone through the btu ratings of various VRF systems and currently have one due to a design mistake our combined total of 4 ton indoor heads are ran by a 5 ton unit, which works out in our favor, as the btu ratings of the outdoor unit drops to about 4 tons by the technical docs around 0F but still can't keep up.
Check my numbers here, but it sounds like you're saying the specific heat pump you're referencing has around a 20% loss by the time it gets to 0F. That doesn't mean my point about working until around -15F is incorrect, or that switching to resistive heating at a certain point being a solution is incorrect.
The efficiency in one, say down to even 60% when it's super cold, can still be more efficient than resistive heating. Also, you would size the unit for loses due to temperature.
Nah man. I have a flying car with heat pumps
Do you know George Jetson? He goes to work and just pushes buttons all day! I really don't get young people today thinking that we are in some golden age of tech. You need three things to live. Food, water and shelter. The commies are outlawing even wood stoves in the Democrat states. During the ice storm of '93, I just cooked on the wood stove and fetched water from the fresh water spring that you could publicly access. People don't know what it's actually like when all the creature comforts are no longer available to them.
They don't work under 40 degrees and never will
Won’t affect me I live in the free state of Texas
Free but for how long? The crazier California gets with their bullshit the more of them flee to places like Texas so they can begin the insanity cycle all over again.
This! They fucked up SLC, now Boise is becoming a commie shit hole! And as a cherry on top, our top "politicians" are now pushing for amnesty, because the farmers can't find anyone willing to work for $10.50 an hour. So yeah, I might be heading to Wyoming next year 😌
The people who sit back and think it will never happen where they live are the same as the white conservative population of California in the 1950s-1980s. How many more people now live in Texas? How many of them are from south/central America? Texas will become blue. In about 10 -15 years. They will be a solid blue state. Nothing is being done to stop it.
Texas being red was a brief period in its history. It was blue all the way until the late 70's, and it will return blue.
California was red all the way until Ronald Reagan destroyed America.
Hell yuh. Houstone for me.
As a SW regional truck driver, I'm seeing more and more U-Hauls heading towards Texas. 3-4 more years, and Texas will be purple. 😏
"free state of Texas" 🤣
The natural gas burnt off by the shale oil fields of North Dakota lights up a space in a night time satellite map about half the size of Chicago.
It's burnt off because it's expensive to store and transport.
The United States could provide every person in America with free natural gas for stoves and heating from the burn off, but the logistics of building the pipelines are impossible because Democrats
SF 1840: Chinese migration SF 2023: Chinese exodus
Ironic after a total clusterfuck of power outages Tuesday from the storms - 275k residents without power in Contra Costa County. Probably more, I think they just stopped updating the power outage map after a certain point.
Lol hear that chefs? All your fine dining is over, idiots. I've never known any real chef that does not insist on gas.
Will that be before or after the $5 million per recipient reparations?
I still remember this line from the prison movie "Escape from Alcatraz", where Robert Duvall's character remarks, as Clint Eastwood's character talks about how cold it is on the prison yard, that Mark Twain once said of San Francisco's climate "the coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco".
Precisely the kind of area that you want to just start abandoning cheap and easily available fuel sources with...
And, of course, my guess is that the only people who'll suffer are the poor and the homeless, who are basically piled up all around the city. Baby, it's COLD outside...
i hope they like to freeze and cold showers.....live in the 19th century assholes
Then they will run on what? They wont have any electricity. Natural resources are a libtards nightmare. They get with they vote for.
fine by me.
they can all starve, freeze to death or die of heat stroke for all i care. they deserve what they get!
Remember when we phased in those natural gas buses in the cities because natural gas is a clean source of energy and just kidding get rid of it.
San Francisco should
Phase out escape routes.
Phase out water.
Phase out food.
Phase out sewers.
Phase out electricity.
Phase out people.
We should phase out california. The one thing the founding fathers forgot to add to the Constitution was a section for removing states from the union.
If you recognize The Declaration of Independence as the more essential American Document, then it's easy. You just let the aggrieved states separate and form their own separate Government(s) to pursue Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
theres bums on every corner shitting all over drugged out of their mind if u bring ur kid thru their he might get raped and never seen again...How are these shitheads still in charge of the once great city during the full house years when people wanted to move to S.F. from all over the world..
Should create a hot market for propane tanks.
These shit liberal idiots have ruined gas cans , dishwashers , and toilets everyttime they regulate stuff. Used to be when you took a shit, 1 flush took care if it.
Good... Fuck SF
My wife's boyfriend Jamal will have five million dollars to burn. I don't see the problem.
UNTIL YOU SUE THEN IN FEDERAL COURT THEY WILL KEEP TRYING THIS STUPID SHIT!