1297 32 hour work week Bill reintroduced in Congress. (thehill.com) posted 72 days ago by Landslide_2020 72 days ago by Landslide_2020 +1297 / -0 32-hour workweek bill reintroduced in Congress: Will it pass? The bill would effectively mean either shorter workweeks or more overtime pay for hourly workers. thehill.com 389 comments share 389 comments share save hide report block hide replies
This bill introduced by people who work in offices.
People that don't work*
Fuck the French
Annnnd…. They surrendered again.
Too late , they enjoy it.
French girls awesome in bed…credit were credit is due.
At least someone works
I work for a company where 5% of the employees work in an office including myself and this is true. Stupid people sit at their desk everyday and forget the 95% are the reason we’re all there, unless reminded. Sad.
Our company has a similar ratio. Apparently the office people didnt appreciate hearing everyone talk shit about them at the last company party, lol. They get their dicks slapped pretty regularly for their tone in e-mails.
Same ratio at my company (myself included). The major difference is that most of us worked our way up to those positions and we're not afraid to get our hands dirty when needed. I manage our IT so I'm usually on a ladder somewhere sweating my balls off a couple times a week to keep things running. (Just got in from troubleshooting a grow light with a wiring fault.) Just yesterday our CEO stayed late to run a forklift and stage material for morning because the usual guy had a doctor appointment. The major difference might be that my company started small and still has that small business attitude.
I am a big fan of the “No job too small” style of management.
A couple weeks ago, I changed the toilet seat in the office bathroom. This time of year our maintenance department has bigger fish to fry.
We had a leaking urinal. The flush handle. Puddles and water dripping for months. I googled how they work, determined it had a torn diaphragm, and ordered the $6 part and took care of it one morning when I came in early. I was in mid-level management at the time. Blew everyone's mind in the complex that a desk jockey could actually fix something. We may sit at desks, but some of us can problem solve and execute, despite the union workers sitting on work orders for 6 months...Then I printed a 300 page Harley shop manual I pirated on the company's laser printer for my effort.
We have that at my place, but it’s to the extreme and everyone is distracted by everything and pulled into the bullshit. I just want to scream “EVERYONE STAY IN YOUR FOXHOLE AND MAINTAIN YOUR FIELD OF FIRE!!!”, but i would be wasting my time.
That’s a funny description. It can be distraction, truthfully.
In its best meaning it means pitching in from time to time and not think that you are “above” a certain task. But some can get caught up just doing small tasks. Yes people—you gotta get your main responsibilities handled!
Holy shit a CEO did that? I cannot believe that wow.
Sounds about right. Many are so disconnected from the actual business that after a while they can only think in terms of the giant office building - like it exists solely to employee people. They’ll have ideas in meetings and when asked about how it applies to hourly workers you can see the “oh shit that’s right” on their face. It’s almost always unintentional but very common because people just don’t think.
So HR womyn get to stay at home and breastfeed and read Cosmo while the angry office workers are angry at them? 🧚
No You get to become the Director of Federal Transportation that way.
I have a mixed work schedule where I get to do manual labor and office work. That being said, I believe everyone should have to be a roofer for a year.
Will change people's outlook, real fast.
I grew up on a cattle ranch. That made my first real job of jumping out of helicopter with diving gear to go clear a canal of explosives while mostly unarmed seem pretty good in comparison.
Too heavy to be a roofer though
Oof. I just had a flashback to college. I worked as a roofer the first summer, and then in a coal-fired power plant the next three. Jackhammering clinkers in a hot, dusty boiler had nothing on baking in the sun swinging a hammer. I'm thankful for my office job, but I would trade it in a second if I could make a decent living growing vegetables. ... I mean I do grow millions of veggies now, but they're just lines in a production database from my perspective managing IT for a wholesale greenhouse.
Ya I had some rough jobs before I became a developer too. Picked potatoes, worked a lumber mill, electrician's helper, golf course grounds crew etc. I've worked remotely for the last 10 years so I'm not sure that's technically an 'office job', but I do appreciate it. Those jobs made me realize I definitely didn't want to do that shit the rest of my life.
That being said, when there's a business critical bug that only you can fix, I certainly consider it "work". So were the years of studying I did to learn the requisite knowledge to do the job in the first place. Somehow that part is always forgotten when people talk about "cushy jobs".
Yep. Also, at my company most of the production crews work 8 hour days. They're not here when I'm staying to 3 am to fix an issue before they get there the next morning. If I'm doing my job properly, they should never have downtime due to an IT issue. That usually translates to late nights and weekends. This evening I have to restart the server that runs our timeclock system. I'm definitely going to wait until they're done for the day ... unless I want our payroll accountant to kill me on Monday.
As a teenager, i did roofing, built barns, replaced old insulation and drywall, painting jobs, flower gardening for old ladies, cleared overgrown fencelines, cut and sold firewood by the truckload, mowed yards, dug ditches, wired up shops, and anything else people would pay me to do. I now do mostly office work, but I have no respect or sympathy for people who have a msnual labor allergy, or look down on manual laborers. If everyone was an office worker, we'd all starve. If everyone was a farmer, we'd all lack many modern amenities, but we'd live. Modernity takes all kinds, and while some skills are rare and thus more highly paid, all productive work has value.
Well put. I spent most of my weekends as a youth splitting wood for the winter, doing random things for neighbors/family friends because my dad made me.
I hated it at the time, and my friends all made fun of me, but I thank my dad often, these days. I can't put a value on what he did for me, and now I look back on all that time fondly.
Having nearly been killed with a sledgehammer and a collapsing 3-story chimney I concur
Yall fuckers need to go clean water towers inside... that'll change your fuckin life
Deckhand on a tugboat when I was 18. You learn to carry your weight real quick.
Yeah, I saw that episode of Dirty Jobs. Hell no!
Can confirm. Work for a heavily corporate plumbing company. The office fucks can't be bothered to do shit and are constantly throwing office parties to jerk each other off. They think they ARE the company. It's like the damn high-school glee club in our office. They're fucking clueless and think they're all knowing. Going back to mom and pop ASAP.
I'm one of the desk people that spends at least 50% of my time on the floor with the workers. I very much understand without the workers, there is no office job. I'm there to support them and the business, not just myself. They very much appreciate and respect me for giving them the time of day. My office jockey coworkers don't understand the concept, despite me proving time and time again the benefits of working directly with the people. It's honestly pathetic... Very much an "us vs. them" mentality.
Oh, you mean those dudes in green/orange vests outside just standing around heavy equipment most of the day, watching one mexican do work?
Lesson learned, just hire one Mexican.
Now you understand the RINO logic on immigration, sadly.
I live in Canada, it's rare I get to see a Mexican lol
We call you guys “snow Mexicans”
Too cold up there eh?
Yes, NY shipped a few over, they wanted to go back lol
Hey now, flipping a sign from 'stop' to 'slow' on a week day with hardly any cars on the road is a well deserved $40/hour. /s
$40 an hour eh? I find that hard to believe
I’ve flagged traffic enough to say, fuck that job.
Doing a boring job like that takes skill. I would be dying if I had to stand there and do absolutely nothing.
Somebody’s got to do the Manuel labor.
There is a saying that goes "too many cooks in the kitchen spoils the broth"
🎵It takes a lot to make a stew🎵
🎵When it comes to me and you🎵
🎵And Him and Her and the baby too🎵
🎵Too many cooks, its true.🎵
Exactly right..although its 4 or 5 Mexicans watching one Mexican do the work. They seem to have all those jobs where I live, and they are good paying jobs with benefits.
Engineers work in offices dickhead.
Your fucking welcome for you cell phone service too
I don't own a cell phone dickhead.
Ever hear the saying "if it don't apply let it fly"? It'll help you
People who do 32 Hours of Actual Work a Month
I work in an office setting, in iT -- believe me, we fuckin' work. I don't allow any dead weight in this department. If we need to run cabling, we get our asses up above the sub-ceiling. Oh, and I'm a 'millennial'.
This bill's supporters are welfare types.
And the tech company types where they have 50000 diversity hires sitting around doing nothing for $200k
Probably for govt employees. Other people, including IT workers, actually have work that needs to be done. I know a few super hard working govt people, but for the most part it is paid daycare.
I spent a few years as a gov't contractor. 5% of the people do 95% of the work. I was actually contracted to do the job of a guy who slept at his desk and did nothing all day. They didn't fire him, they just paid an expensive contractor to do his work.
Sounds about right. That's how damn near every contactor I'm friends with describes it. The hard working govt people I know were almost all contractors before becoming govt workers. There are a few anomalies though.
What? You mean I have to pull this cable from a box, physically install, cut it, remember where the colors go and crimp ends on it? Pfft, can't we just buy it from Amazon already made and save time. Possibly pay someone to do it, think of the dust up there. Think of the extra time or Diversity Inclusion Equity training.
I've unfortunately worked with dipshits like this.
Thing is, for the life of me, I can't understand that mindset. How do you go about your day dragging your feet and getting barely anything done. There's a huge level of satisfaction that comes with taking on the tough challenges and coming out victorious on the other end. The whole team benefits from it.
Well, to get that satisfaction they have to actually be successful.
This. They've never accomplished anything so fear of failure has them yielding to inertia.
Absolutely correct. I worked IT and as a cable installer years back. Crawled through all minds of crap to get the job done. A lot of people have no clue - Hurry up and get done tou working class loser so so I can go back to my porn and hotpockets.
I work level 2 help desk but the guy below me calls himself a sysadmin lol
Sounds like the resumes I get where the applicants list 50 technologies but can't speak in depth about any of them.
I'm a senior SWE who is currently in charge of the development and deployment of a large scale project. I spend more time running cables and building structures for our environment than I do writing code. At the end of the day, we have time hacks to meet and if it means I'm doing shop work to take some of the load off of my technicians, well, I'm more than happy to do that. Gets the job done quicker and I have a great group of guys who are more than happy to help me out because I helped them with the "shitty" work. Plus, so many SWE absolutely hate getting their hands dirty and look down on the guys building the environments they use, yet if I'm not at work writing code, I'm at home running a lathe or welding anyways.
This right here.
I worked agricultural trade shows for a few years. The compliments that stuck with me were always from farmers and blue-collar folks. Things like, 'they sent the right one', or 'we need a few more like you'. Feels good to pull your own weight and then some.
Or people now working from home. In a way this might be beneficial as more time to spend with your children and teaching them not to be commies.
Not really a fan of this since the answer has always been to break from the wage slave mentality rather than find ways to make it more palatable.
Jobs are great from a temporary standpoint, but when you start having a family, working for someone else's company is a short term solution to the long term problem of needing cash flow.
I'm all about finding ways to have more ownership and cash flow income so you can buy your time back and invest it into the things that really matter.
If you think owning a business is how you get more time with your family, you don't know what you're talking about.
If you do it right it can be. Case in point. I do this very thing myself. It can be done if time is managed properly.
That means hiring "competent" people. And as the saying goes, if you want a job done right you've got to do it yourself
I, and i hate using this word, literally do just that. My wife and i own/operate our own landscaping/lawncare business and she works her full time job. No employees at all. She does our paperwork on weekends and i do the labor, and everything else for it. Still make time for our infant.
How many times have you called your lady pede to tell her you're working late. Or on weekends?
Not often. I learned the hard way how to schedule properly and know my physical limits. Once in awhile something breaks down or deliveries get delayed which causes me to be away longer than expected. But that happens at any job. Edit: to clarify. I dont really have weekends. I work 6 - 7 days per week during the spring and fall. But i set my hours how i want them. With the exception of spring/fall clean ups, big lawn renovations, etc im usually home by 2 pm when it is just mowing.
So very true.
Didn't you know? Small and medium business owners all live on Easy Street, with endless vacations and huge bank accounts, and need to give back since they had everything handed to them because of white supremacy and the patriarchy.
I believe somebody raised by whites once said it best, "You didn't build that!"
Never said that. Traditional business is a vortex and the overhead simply isn't worth it.
Creating assets and leveraging existing business platforms and mentoring relationships is the way you do it.
I can't afford a 32 hour work week. Whoever is pushing for this doesn't understand the average Americans needs.
From which point of view? Employer or employee?
It is a complicated thing to change the work-week standard. Just know if this does pass, you will probably be better off for a while (due to OT pay) until the company actually does scale you back to 32 hours. After that, the economy will balance out because everyone will need to make a living wage working 32 hours.
Doubtful. Under Obamacare's full time definition of 30 hrs per week, many companies just started hiring more workers for less hours. You can end up working 2 part time jobs to hit the same hours and pay. I don't even know where the Constitution allows for this overreach. But yeah, I know nobody follows that anymore.
Without OT many hourly jobs are simply not worth it
Apologies if this comment is confusing. What I'm thinking makes sense in my head, but after typing it out here it's not nearly as cohesive. Hopefully you all can understand what I'm trying to say.
After the economy balances out, there will be less goods and materials produced, and the economy would theoretically end up with about 80% of what we were producing before, while still having the same amount of consumers. Right now in most places in the US it's difficult to survive off of a full time job and have enough left over to save for retirement or have a decent amount to comfortably purchase luxuries. So people will either need to work overtime, get paid more hourly, or make less money and possibly go broke. If the businesses have to pay more, they are going to increase their prices.
My main concern with this is the welfare portion. If the businesses increase their prices, the welfare that people are receiving is now worth less. If the government does not adjust the amount welfare recipients receive, then people might be encouraged to get off welfare and actually work. But if the government increases the welfare to compensate for it, which I think is likely because the politicians need to buy their votes, then that money comes from the taxpayers, which means either more debt and/or higher taxes. So now workers are earning less and spending more, and then have to pay higher taxes.
In the end, your average worker will end up losing the value of 8 hours of work plus some. For those that work 40 hours a week, if the business lets them get overtime, they might come out ahead for a bit until everything catches up. I don't see how a 32 hour work week is feasible at the moment, not with how many people don't work and get government benefits, and many that do work but do the absolute minimum and spend more time on their phone or talking than working. Maybe if everyone capable of working did work and the government didn't needlessly spend money, but I think we're more likely to see unicorns than that happening.
That would require a starting point of everyone working. I think the end result of reducing the work week hours might increase the labor force participation rate. That means fewer people on social services. Fewer taxes would be taken away from the working class to pay for the non-working class.
A lot would have to change for a 32-hour week to be standard and people not lose their livelihoods. I think it is possible, as demonstrated by EU countries.
I don't doubt that a 32 hour work week could be possible with advances in technology, but I don't think we're at a point right now where it's feasible. I also doubt that very many people would come off of welfare. Right now in most places there are serious worker shortages, and many of not most entry level jobs I've seen have decent pay (relative to the prices at the current moment). If people were willing to come off of welfare they could jump in earning a decent amount. If the 32 hour change takes place and the government doesn't reduce unemployment benefits then for at least a brief period of time before prices catch up I would think that would incentivise people to stay on welfare. If the government raises welfare benefits to match the increased prices then there's very little chance anyone gets off welfare while many more get on.
In terms of the European countries, I think most of them just seem to have a different mindset then Americans. This statement is definitely anecdotal, but the few Europeans I know just aren't as greedy as most Americans I know, and talking to them most of the people from their countries are the same way. I think that's how they can handle having really good (as in good for the recipient) welfare. Most people there just don't take something if they don't actually need it, whereas here there are way too many people that only think of welfare as their rightful source of free money. Of course, I haven't been to a European country, and my experiences are anecdotal so I could be wrong.
This might be the first thing that biden's done that actually benefits me. I regularly work 50 hour weeks. Lately it's been 60. My company apparently doesn't care about paying out overtime at all. So either I finally get some more free time, or I get extra money. Though, I just did the math and turning 8 more regular hours into overtime hours, wouldn't be significant for me.
I got burned out working 50-60 hour weeks with no relief in sight. Those hours included being on-call and working on weekends and holidays. Missing family events just wasn't worth it.
The immigrants of the industrial revolution couldn't afford to work less than 7 days/week. This is the first round of discussion in a new way of thinking about labor and time.
Seriously. What does this do for people that work jobs deemed "essential" that can't just close down three days a week? Like Firefighters, EMT, Police, Medical, Electricians, Plumbers etc,..actual essential, not Walmart and Amazon? Is It just giving more gimmies to government bureaucrat stooges in jobs where it doesn't make a difference if they work at all? I guess it's still a net benefit since they can do less damage the less they work.
No chance. You’ll never get a congressman or Senator to work that much.
Yea but 30 of the 32 hours are getting sucked off by lobbyists
The other two hours are WFH/remote, but actually lunch.
Don’t forget about cocaine breaks
The other 2 are Media Appearences
Write it sloppily so it looks like 3.2
This is an empty gesture from the Democrats who have no power in the House. It's their version of the "defund the IRS"-type bills that the Republicans introduce when they have no power.
Good take. Wait until you’re out of power to push bills as a virtue signal.
I'd be ok with 4 10 hour days. We don't need to work LESS, we need to work more efficiently
This won't make people work more efficiently, it'll just cram the same inefficiency into less time.
I don't have any statistics, but when I did construction the 4 10s was much preferable to 5 8s. And about the same in productivity.
not to mention you cut out a round trip commute
Same. I did it for landscaping. I got more done from 5-7pm than I did from 7-9am when I’m still waking up. And we worked our dicks off so that Friday off was spent resting and then I had a full Saturday to actually enjoy my life. I could drive out of town to see friends more easily. I’m also a nurse who works 3 12’s (with report and charting it ends up being 14 hours usually), and I still think I prefer the 4 10s as for efficiency and overall well-being.
We've tried the 4 10's and found that 10 really was more like 9.25. It didn't offset the cost of fuel to take all the trucks off the road one day a week.
I preferred 6 14s normally or 2 35s when I worked half a week. But that was also me running my own company and getting paid damn well for that.
Isn't cramming the same efficiency into less time exactly the definition of efficiency?
I can see how it is more efficient. There is one day less that you have to commute, so money is saved on gas. For some jobs there is less time spent powering up the equipment and getting everything running. Just multiple minor inefficiencies that have to happen every time a business opens are reduced. I don't think it is much more efficient, but it's not inefficient.
Less days* 4 times 10 is still a 40 hour work week
Sounds like a good idea, but everyone has limited capacity and decision fatigue and burnout kick in faster than we realize.
That doesn't equate to more efficiency in the same way that kids who go to public school for 8 hours a day don't learn or retain more than kids who do 3 hours of homeschooling a day. In fact, metrics show that they're WAY behind.
I think its one of those things that depend on the person. 4 10s is totally doable for me, and I'd think that's a fair exchange for 3 days off in a row. The amount that I could get done for me in three days versus 2 is incredible.
It therefore should not be sweepingly mandated, like most things.
Agreed, man dates are just as gay as they sound.
I'm probably in the minority, but I'm just not a fan of building equity in someone else's company utilizing the most productive hours of the day, especially when they can shitcan your ass for not including your pronouns in your email signature.
If the last three years have taught me anything, it's that I need more ownership of my life and less components of my future being dictated by outside entities.
Most people aren't efficient. Reducing their hours just means less productivity.
When i worked in manufacturing, my 3x12 shift was more efficient than my 4x10 shifts. Probably cause it was the weekend and no one was there to bother them
The problem with efficiency in todays America is that half the workforce would be out of a job. So many white-collar cubicle jobs exist solely so people have jobs. In any given tech company there's only a dozen workers and 4000 "A day in the life of a millennial Tech employee" workers.
You aren't wrong at all.
I have people at my company who haven't been in the office since Jan 2020. We have no idea where they are, what they are doing, the run "movemouse" on their computer so it keeps Teams status up as Available and not Away. Nobody dares laying them off because our company froze hiring so we can't backfill their roles. Then there are some who come on our work campus to socialize and use things like the office gyms or just show their face. The issue is a lot of these individuals are very high up the chain and are untouchable.
We will have teams of passionate engineers who use their weekend time to come in and work on debug while there are tens of thousands of employees who can't put down their wine glass or IPA bottle to respond to an email.
Won't happen. Ask any Govt employee to do this, hell ask most salary people to do this. DUring the plandemic half the people I know that went work from home during it got their "normal" work done in half the time. Why, cause they knew they could go fuck around the rest of the day. Companies have gotten soft and employees lazy fucks esp at the Govt level.
Build Back Retarded
Two scoops of retarded with an obese black DEI tranny grifter twerking in the background.
Cool it with the hard "er" ... they prefer grifta
If this were to pass, and the company I work for were too implement this, as strict as they are when it comes to Overtime, it's very rare when they offer it. So, going to a 32 hour work week, I would lose out in over $200.00 a week in pay.
How would this effect any of you financially speaking?
It would just be federal employees, who probably are salaried
Oh yay, federal government to become even more useless.
But that would be a good thing.
Well yeah if they did it for free, but they pay them to be useless. Fuckin insanity
Or, another way to look at it: there'd be a 20% reduction in the time they have to screw us over.
Where does it say that at in that article?
Gonna have a lot of people sitting in their cubicals trying to collect that double overtime
For salaried individuals it's a way to hide creeping into slavery as they say your work weeks is XX number of hours but ends up being much more and then comes the ask to work weekends temporarily which turns into a common routine because managers can't fucking manage a reasonable timetable for shit.
Same almost, basically lose a days pay as my Company isn't going to pay OT either. So monthly you will be down almost a week's pay.
My company very rarely gives out OT either. If something like this passes they'll figure out what's cheaper. Pay OT, give raises or higher more workers. This would be a big cut in productivity per worker if we are only allowed to work 32 hours a week.
Also many companies only provide benefits like health, dental, 401k to full time employees that work over 32 hours a week.
If a company forces hours to drop to 32, then wages should be increased at least 25% to balance.
Don't get ahead of yourself. It's not 8 more hours of overtime. It'd be 8 hours of regular time being turned into overtime. I've been doing 60 hour work weeks a lot lately too. Do the math my dude about just how much extra the 50% over 8 hours is. I worked over 10 hours today, all of it was overtime. Was ready to go home when the day started. There comes a point where the money just doesn't fucking matter. Afterall, I can't buy time with it.
I’m okay with this. 40 hours is stupid and makes you feel like a slave to your job
The average American who works 40 hours a week, cannot afford to lose 8 hours of pay per week. Do you think that if they go to a 32 hour work week, that they are going to raise your wages to compensate for the loss of hours? NO!!
They should. You shouldn’t have to live at your job to make enough to survive. Maybe some hard labor jobs require more hours, but every office job involves sitting around and wasting half the day to hit that stupid 40 hours quota
I don't want to defend anything. But the IT companies that do gov contracts spend a shit ton of money to win the contract. So that "profit" really goes to man hours and bonuses to the proposal team. And then of course there are accountants and lawyers involved in the contract.
Which is why I always paid hourly + bonuses. Giving dudes the ability to make more money if they work better
Economies don't work on "should". They won't. Everyone will be poorer if the government forces 32 hour work weeks.
What would make people's wages go up would be to stop importing mass immigrants at lower wages than the native population is working.
Or better yet, instead of trying to raise wages, reduce expenses. We can fix the healthcare and education systems by fixing government regulation. If those costs decreased by 50%, the average American would be much richer in practice.
Reality doesn't care about your "shoulds."
The Gov't will dole out money, maybe this is how they will shunt universal income into society.
If you were really needing to work 40 hours wouldnt the company make you come regardless? Otherwise arent you dicking around for 8 hours? I don't see anything wrong with this on the surface. Companies have made people wage slaves.
Then don’t work 40 hours you don’t need to pass a law to work 32 hours a week.
These hours would still dwarf Congresses own work schedule.
"for federal workers"
Of course not. And even if they did this,you know that they would just raise their pay in order to compensate for the loss of hours. It's the Government. That's what they do.
There go your benefits.
Nah, people who were working the amount of hours to provide no benefits will just have those hours lowered to whatever the new low is.
Just what the economy needs. /s
Let’s become more like France! What could go wrong?
Maybe the American people will normalize rioting in the streets.
Wait, that's not normalized already?
Very true, but we don't get a free pass for arson, vandalism and general bedlam because we oppose the establishment rather than propel it forward.
Exactly. Let’s all be poor! But have time to sit around doing nothing because we can’t afford to do anything fun.
You can’t get ahead in life working 40hrs a week.
The problem is the poor keep demanding free stuff until the system folds. I routinely worked 60 and 70 hour weeks for twenty some years. I was certainly rewarded. Now, the idea of working a lot to pay even more in taxes for people who do nothing really demotivates me.
Yep…but if you don’t work extra someone else will and they’ll get ahead.
Canadians are being financially run over by East Indian immigrants who live 8 people to a house and all work 50+ hours a week. Meanwhile the average Canadian wants to live alone in a nice place while working 40hrs a week maximum. They’re getting left behind
That's hilarious - I'm self employed and my rent just went way way up. Food prices are killing me, too. I work seven days a week just to try to stay afloat. And I'm well past 65 and will never be able to retire.
81 million votes, right?
Anddd another attempt to micro control the lives of people & control business owners. fuck the congress.
It will mean 2 jobs and no overtime... wait, that's how it already is!
So employees will LOSE opportunities, another cut on the American corpus.
Author hasn't worked an hourly job if they think people are expecting overtime.
Cool. I can't wait to have to get a second job and work 64 hours per week.
Why not 0 hours to reach maximum progressiveness?
Lmao people are just gonna start getting scheduled 32 hours a week. They’ll love the 3 day weekend but that’s gonna be a 20% reduction in pay 🤷🏻♂️
That, or as someone else has mentioned have their pay restructured to factor in 8 hours of OT, so they end up in the same place.
8 hrs of taxable income being removed LMAO not a chance in hell. Ukraine won’t have it
😆 🤣 😂
This may the only thing I support. 😆
Damn look at all the corporate bootlickers infecting this site.
I know many of you would want to get rid of the 40hr work week and make it so no one gets overtime.
Why is it always like this?
Salary transparency: "lol this won't do anything. Asking how much the company could pay you, makes you want to work for less"
Mandatory salary ranges: "lol this won't do anything, they'll just list $7.50 to $60 per hour, and you will be so confused, you will ask for $7.50.
Cops being forced to wear cameras: "lol this won't do anything, we don't need to monitor police because they never do anything illegal."
32 hour work week: "lol this will make me want to work less, so it should be ilegal." Look, I understand many of you are paid under the table or paid by the hour, but it's retarded to think that this will even affect white-collar work. White collar work is salary. Even when there was a 40hr work week, I still have to work 16hr days sometimes. Reducing it to 32 hours will not affect my job. And I don't see why people here are so against automating shitty low skill work. Farms are already being automated and so is fast food. FFS even basic bookkeeping is being automated. Would anyone here want to work those jobs?
I sure as fuck wouldn't, I want something that actually pays well.
But most bad advice on this site comes from people who own a home and have no understanding of real debilitating costs.
E.g. eggs are 100% more expensive. From $6-$12. "I have no idea how I will survive."
"Oh rent only went up by 40%, no big deal." Even thought it increased from $3,000 to $4,200.
Surprised at the bootlickers as well on this site. People are so used to being wage slaves that they actively oppose it. They have no idea what free time means, i work 4/10s and the 3 day weekend is drastically different than a 2 day weekend. If I want to make more income I can work on my side business and make way more than if I had to work 5 days a week. 32 hours will not make impacts to salary work at all, in fact fridays in most companies are non productive. People will be more productive working 4 days a week after getting a longer resting period.
I am not for government intervention but the corporations will not change by themselves due to boomer mentality in the upper management who still love forcing people into the office and "loyalty" bullshit when companies can fire and lay off without notice. Thats probably alot of this site as well.
If people getting paid hourly actually were needing to work 40 hours companies will still need them there for 40.
The only thing I see as an issue is Overtime, but even then would you hire a chitty Temp to only work 8hrs on Friday who will probably do shoddy work, or just keep your good employees.
It seems many on this site are "attempting to break" their boomer programming to see through their own bullshit.
On one hand, they say employers will just pay them less and they need better worker protections, but on the other hand, they don't want worker protections like banning salary history questions or salary transparency because "it hurts businesses and doesn't do anything" (lol wut?)
Aren't boomers on this site always saying, good employees will get rewarded? How is this any different? Maybe they are starting to see that good employees don't get rewarded any differently from bad employees in many instances.
They say things like salary transparency and this 32 hours "wont do anything" but actively oppose it. If it wont do anything why not try then.
I have already seen benefits of salary transparency. Ya some do the whole $1-$9999999 shit but most don't.
It's because they actively apply for that $1-$99999 position and apply for the lowest amount since they are lazy or don't know what they are worth or don't care to know.
It's the same people who watch tachface on TikTok and think stores locking up their inventory to prevent theft are getting ready for the Mark of the Beast (i.e..narcissists / crazy people who think the world will end on their terms)
Also they do nothing but watch tv, are on their phones all day even when they have time off. They dont wanna think about actually doing something for themselves to raise their income and instead are a slave to their "hours".
I have my own consulting business and 3 day weekends make it possible. Its not stable enough to fully quit my job but less hours on the job make alot of creative things possible. I also can save alot of money by simply working on my truck or on the house. For example just did brakes, oil change, and added a couple things last weekend on friday. In labor terms this would have cost me $700, maybe even more since i would have to take a day off work to visit the mechanic or if I didnt do it deal with worse repair costs. Those kinds of things save money and doesnt feel like i am working making someone else rich.
32 hour work weeks will probably become more common regardless if bills like this pass for a variety of reasons
If it were up to me, I would gladly work 20hr shifts for 2 days and call it a week lol.
that sounds wild like too much lol but aren't there nurses that do like 3 10s or 12s and that's "full time" for them?
Not boot-licking, just pointing out that most people won't see any net benefit as employers can easily work around the changes.
If it has no benefit, might as well let it pass and convince people that it doesn't do anything through practice.
Why attempt to even say "it won't do anything, let's keep things the way things are." Just makes people who say this appear to be misleading. Same thing was said about the above info, but it's always untrue.
It has no benefit while it has harms
You get paid based on what you produce, this means less production and a poorer society
Not necessarily. People will also have more free time to do what they want. Of course if they are poor already, they will have to find other work to keep them productive, but for middle class and above, they can pursue other activities.
Whether it be schooling, skills, or finding another job. Salary workers will be unaffected by this due to work week hours not being a thing since they work extra hours anyways for no overtime and sometimes weekends.
I mean, nothing would be stopping you from getting part-time work if you wanted to be more productive.
Everyone who wants more hours vs people who want more free time will be able to choose their situation.
Rob, rape, steal, murder
these people. whenever they think they're helping, they're just cutting people's hours and forcing them to find a new way to supplement their incomes. But maybe that's the point. Maybe they need the employment numbers to reflect more jobs created.
I'm all for a four-day work week. If you are addicted to work there is nothing to stop you from working on the other three days.
Also, there is shift work, so the time schedule is totally different.
Since I have ChatGPT replying to all of my emails, I only need an 8 hour work week.
And I can see it forcing salaries lower too
It's working so well for Europe...
32 hour weeks will probably become more common on their own, it will be driven by companies offering the schedule and people choosing to work that arrangement (rather than this imposed legislative attempt)
Plus, studies have shown 4 hour weeks are more productive
This means I'd have to work to jobs to make what I do now as my company would hire more people to make up the difference....
This doesn't benefit workers
Yup, this is nothing more than virtue signaling. There's a number of ways for businesses to work around this.
Good idea. More time off for us to protest child grooming.
Hourly folks would likely be getting less pay per week as I'm doubtful most would get a pay raise or OT. Part timers would be hired to fill in the gaps. Other option is to restructure pay to factor in OT, as others have mentioned.
More like finding a second and third job.
Whats the bad thing about this? I see it as pretty good so corporations can't wage slave people as much. Most white collar jobs are this anyway and friday barely anybody works. If you get paid hourly this would just increase your ot pay since anything outside 32 would be ot.
But its Biden so probably hidden agenda there.
It isn't a bad thing. If they can do something to guarantee the same pay, or make the 32 hr week an option.
We used to have to slave to work more than 8 a day, and we legislated that in and now we are making it even shorter. This tbh is the right kind of progress if they can do it right, which the probably can't.
40 hours = 100% of pay
32 hours = (32/40) or 80% of pay
But like, why tho. Why is 40 the magic number for salaried positions?
Theres some history, it used to be 6 day work weeks, and early unions fought and got the standard to be 40/week.
Based on the timeline in that link (good info) it seems like we're well past due for another reduction, especially given how technology aids in productivity now.
The best job i ever had: my boss pulls me aside and says he doesnt believe in the 40 hour work week. That humans are NOT the most productive from 9-5 M-F, that productivity comes in spurts (it was a tech job). He said get your shit done and be available for communications with the team and thats all he expects.
I agree wholeheartedly. Some days I'm best in the morning. Some days I can get in the zone late at night and be tremendously productive. What I can't do is show up from 8:30-5:30 and be my best for more than half of that time.
For salary it doesn't mean shit. You are expected to get the work done.
I dont think this will impact hourly either that much. The blue collar jobs are already short people, they would probably keep the same hours and pay ot. Paying ot is cheaper than hiring more people.
You just cut wages so they are the same after OT, this means that short weeks are even shittier
Good luck cutting wages, in my area in texas blue collar workers are already hard to find at like $15/hr.
Tell them to starve or work
They definitely arent starving in fact their carts are stacked with groceries from the EBT gibs.
it's only bad as a regulation, seems like a win adopted voluntarily as a culture where it can be made to work
Can we get politicians to work that long?
I read the article but it didn’t mention healthcare which I think is the motivation behind this. Employees are now working under 40 hours so employers don’t have to pay for healthcare so looks like they are trying to change full time to 32 hours to force employers to pay for healthcare but would result in employers cutting hours to less than the 32 to keep employees part time.
That is exactly what is going to happen. Big corporations always figure a way to make sure they don't lose money. Everyone's hours are going to be cut even more and people will have to get two jobs.
Ugh I wish that our insurance wasn’t tied to how many hours we work for some corporation.
Even if the people voting was done on factually incorrect information, and even if there was ballot stuffing occuring, congress and the EC accepted the state representatives and voted that joe biden won.
That's one way to pump up employment number and impoverish the employed. Bureaucrats get their good vibes and their enemies get knocked down a peg.