They must repent as they are in serious danger for supporting the beast system, and were tricked just because the banking cartels named a certain country that name, then used the US with propaganda to take over the world for them through war.
I've been sending out the info to every church misled by Dispensationalism I could.
And I'm worn out, because the older folks just can't grasp it, many just attack with knee-jerk reactions as they can't believe so much of their worldview is based on a lie from people who plan to kill them.
It's heartbreaking, and I am ready to go home to be with Jesus, this world is too evil. I wanted to help everyone before I left this place and I don't know what else to do, I don't want people going to hell because they were tricked, I know what that star really is.
Autism is a nightmare because I've had to see this happen for years and no one listens.
youre trying to warn them but its like a silent scream, and theyre too busy gawking at your soundless open mouth to notice the dumptruck about to run them over.
im not giving up, but at the end of the day, i fight for reasons they couldnt possibly fathom. they can kill me, but they will never destroy me.
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,though you are small among the clans[a] of Judah,out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.” ---Micah 5:2
Dispensationalism is a term used to deliniate beliefs about prophecy. There are for sure two dispensations, very simply the Old Testament and the New Testament. Amillenialists believe there is no rapture event. Postmillenialists believe that we are already living through the tribulation period. And premillenialists believe that Christ is coming back to take the saints out of the world before the tribulation period of 7 years, followed by a 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth. Amillenialists do not identify themselves as dispensationalists while they do view premillenialists as such.
Premils fall into two camps. Historical premillennialism and dispensationalism. They both definitely have different ideas about how things work out prior to Jesus return and millennial kingdom. Dispensationalism isn't just eschatology either... They have odd views about salvation requirements and which books of the bible do and do not apply to them. And of course, everyone's favorite 'escape tribulation free card,' the pretrib rapture.
Historical premillennialism is pretty much what all the churches have believed before the 1800s... All those churches that actually had to survive persecutions and tribulations weren't deceived into thinking they would escape planet earth when the going got tough. Sadly, we seem to have fallen into that trap.
That is definitely true about historical premillenialism. Most all Christians believed that as an accepted doctrine prior to the disputes of the 1800s, specifically American Christianity, primarily in the South, began to dispute dispensationalism. I also would note that German higher criticism has had a major effect on Christendom. People even began to doubt the Scriptures as inspired by God because of it.
Curious, which churches in the south disputed dispensationalism? Because they seem to be quite inundated with it (well, those that believe premil, anyway). If you're speaking of textual criticism, then yes, when one has a skewed concept of infallibility bc they view it through some lens of doctrinal presupposition, then the dominoes fall fast when others start poking around. Then you have the choice to double down on error or give up. It takes a strong faith to keep seeking truth and keep trusting despite prior perspectives being challenged.
Dispensation used in a sentence. Christ calls on his followers to be meek, but meekness is not what comes to mind when Jesus flipped the tables of the money changers. Jesus was meek when it came to his Fathers dispensations of Him, but was not necessarily meek towards other men when his Fathers honour was at stake.
For sure. Pulled it from an Oswald chambers book, baffled to fight better. It’s a great read. Also, wanted to get it out there that as Christians we aren’t supposed to be timid, agreeable, and compromising with men, but to be meek towards God. In fact the Bible says to exhort, and rebuke others, neither of which are really “nice.”
I never heard any of this until I started going to my (then fiancé's) husband's church. It is reformed, and I got a huge dose of actual theology and historical teachings about our beliefs. It was so helpful, as I had many questions growing up in a non-denominational church that were never answered. The different dispensations, Covenantal teachings, and the different end times teachings were all new to me.
Imagine that, learning about Protestantism and the reformation. Seems like a good idea if you call yourself one, right? Yet I was never given that teaching until the last 6 years.
You're referring to "Judeo-Christians"...a byproduct of the heretical religion Catholicism. The true apostolic faith founded by Jesus' disciples still thrives: Orthodox Christianity.
no actually, im referring to the protestants and nondenominationals who refer to themselves as christians. hence why i used the word christian, and not catholic, and not judeo-christian which is a term used to refer to the abrahamic foundations of western civilization and not any religion (hence why even the term is two religions appended together).
if you actually think that catholics invented and identify with the term judeo-christian, then youre an idiot.
The Great Schism, which prompted the formation of the modern Catholic church as you know it, led to Martin Luther who brought you puritanism and all the other branches of now protestantism, lutheranism, JW, etc.
You have to ask yourself, if the catholics hadnt decided to play game of thrones with the true apostolic church - now known by most as Orthodox Christianity, formerly known as Catholicism, then would Satan be able to deceive so many "churches" as the liar has today?
I explain all this for historical purposes. The Living Word is quite clear that we are His Church now - wherever we come together - those who acknowledge Jesus as Lord God, repent, come before God with an open heart and mind, and abide by the Father's commandments are members of it. For those with hesychastic pursuits along their walk in faith, who pray earnestly and repent and fast, etc, and Fear the Lord thy God and observe His Sabbath - are just putting their best foot forward as they take up their cross, daily.
I only suggest in terms of faith and practice, that the original church founded by the disciples of Christ, not having deviated from it nor modernized it for society's sake, are likely better prepared to aid His flock.
What people claim to invent and identity as is a somewhat irrelevant point. No groomers claim to have invented or identify as groomers, but they are groomers.
That's one way to look at it. Another way is that those who ignored the prophets and rejected the Messiah fell away from the ancient religion(just like the many in the Old Testament who turned to Baal), while those who recognized and followed the Messiah are the continuation of the religion of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
"Jew" is still an ethnicitiy, considering that, you know, they shunned proselytizing and marrying outside the faith. If you read Solzhenitsyn's 200 Years Together, he states that the reason why there seemed to be so many Jews involved in Communism in Russia is because they gave up Judaism and turne to the cultural nihilism that was so popular among Russian underclasses back in the late Imperial era.
Actually, every human that has existed killed him; as he sacrificed his life to atone for everyone’s sin.
“No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.” ~Jesus
https://biblehub.com/john/10-18.htm
"Many have placed blame for Christ’s death on the Jews ... However, numerous modern Christian scholars and leaders, including Pope Benedict XVI, have explicitly denounced this position, claiming that the crowd on that fateful day consisted of Jewish Temple authorities and Barabbas’s supporters, not of the entire Jewish people."
Luke
"6 Now it was the custom at the festival to release a prisoner whom the people requested. 7 A man called Barabbas was in prison with the insurrectionists who had committed murder in the uprising. 8 The crowd came up and asked Pilate to do for them what he usually did.
11 But the chief priests stirred up the crowd to have Pilate release Barabbas instead. "
Barabbas murdered a Roman in the uprising. Why would Romans give up a man like that? Because they wanted Jesus more.
"16 The soldiers led Jesus away into the palace (that is, the Praetorium) and called together the whole company of soldiers. 17 They put a purple robe on him, then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on him. 18 And they began to call out to him, “Hail, king of the Jews!” 19 Again and again they struck him on the head with a staff and spit on him. Falling on their knees, they paid homage to him. 20 And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple robe and put his own clothes on him. Then they led him out to crucify him."
Hmm, so ... the Romans treated him worse.
Nowhere in the New Testament do you hear about Jews striking Jesus and spitting on him.
I see what you are saying, but what is your take on Mathew 27:24
When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
Pilate washed his hands in front of the masses, proclaiming innocence. Isn't this to show the crowd he did not want Jesus dead, but ordered his death because that is what the people wanted? He was washing his hands of the responsibility.
"The people" weren't the people. They were Priests and Barrabas' supporters. Jesus' followers were there ... they didn't want Jesus crucified, did they?
Why would the Romans give up a man (Barrabas) who murdered a Roman?
Why would Roman soldiers dress him up like a king, knock him down, and spit on him?
Also, historians can't find any reference to releasing a prisoner for Passover at that time. It's only in the gospels.
Obviously, it was a trade. A guilty man for an innocent man.
Keep in mind that Herod, Pilate, and the Pharisees were all in cahoots, as Jesus snubbed them all.
Luke 23
"6 When Pilate heard of Galilee, he asked if the Man were a Galilean. 7 And as soon as he knew that He belonged to Herod’s jurisdiction, he sent Him to Herod, who was also in Jerusalem at that time. 8 Now when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceedingly glad; for he had desired for a long time to see Him, because he had heard many things about Him, and he hoped to see some miracle done by Him. 9 Then he questioned Him with many words, but He answered him nothing. 10 And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused Him. 11 Then Herod, with his [c]men of war, treated Him with contempt and mocked Him, arrayed Him in a gorgeous robe, and sent Him back to Pilate. 12 That very day Pilate and Herod became friends with each other, for previously they had been at enmity with each other."
The art of taking someone out and pretending it was the will of the people.
We've seen that trope play out many times in history. lol, even recently.
Same logic as lefties blaming violence on guns. Pilate was just a tool for the mob, who made it very clear that they'd give him a messy uprising if he didn't give them what they wanted.
Pilate was just a tool for the mob, who made it very clear that they'd give him a messy uprising if he didn't give them what they wanted.
Not necessarily a messy uprising, but Pilate was on thin ice with Rome at the time because of events preceding Jesus so Pilate had very little wiggle room lest his own head be on the chopping block.
It would have been a mess. Don't forget, when there finally was a Jewish uprising, the Romans responded by flattening Jerusalem, kicking the survivors out of Judea, and planting a new Roman colony on the rubble.
No, I proved that they don't mind putting uprisings down hard, so they don't happen again. Though that still wasn't as hard as they came down on the Gallic revolt.
If they want to be technical about it, the Romans were the ones that actually killed him. But like you said, he came here to die for our sins. Regardless of who ended up doing the deed, it was the sin of the world, all of us, which put him on the path to die.
If you're a true christian than you know the prophecy was Christ was to be crucified for all of mankind including his assassin's to be forgiven through Christ. He wasn't murdered he was martyred.
I say this as an atheist who understands and respect religion but posts like yours are insufferable
14For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
That's a very narrow reading of Scripture. God sent his only son to be tortured and murdered not because of the Jews' sins, but for all our sins. You and I are just as responsible as the Pharisee priests, Judas, or Pilate.
There is a big Jesus Movement in Israel called ONE FOR ISRAEL Ministry, they are Jewish people who now believe in Jesus and preach the new testament. Jewish Leaders have been trying to shut them down for years and it has just been getting bigger. They have threaten the leaders and their families, I guess this is the newest way to try and shut them up.
I'm so happy to see that OFI is more well known than I thought! They definitely need some prayers. Seems like they're going through a lot recently with the lawsuits and Eitan being kicked out for his personal issues.
Jesus does not like that term. I would refrain from using it.
"Jesus is not Yeshua due to the fact that His Hebrew name, "Notzri," is derived from Nazareth (Natzeret in Hebrew), which is worlds away in Israeli perception compared to Yeshua me Natzeret – Yeshua from Nazareth.0"
Yeshua (Jesus) is from Yehoshua (Joshua). Yeshua means to save, rescue, or salvation. Yehoshua means to deliver or deliverance. Why would Jesus not like this name given to him by God himself? Btw Jesus' true name is unknown. Rev 19:12 describing the rider on the white horse (not to be confused with the pale horse from Rev 6).
Jesus does not like that term? Very interesting. I disagree of course.
Here's why.
The first time that name was ever used was in June of 1632. Jesus, which is the name used by most English-speaking people today, is an English transliteration of a Germanic adaptation, of a Latin transliteration, of a Greek transliteration of an originally Hebrew name, that is simply Yeshua.
See also below.
Let’s start with the foundational information, which is understanding the name Yeshua. This unique name of God (one of many and yet, the most significant) means salvation.
It is only with this understanding that we can recognize Jesus’ Hebrew name throughout the Old Testament. Jesus’ disciples wouldn’t have called Him anything other than Yeshua. And instead of “Jesus Christ”, they’d say Yeshua HaMashiach (Messiah).
Because folks of the Jewish faith never believed Jesus was the son of God. They really don't believe in the Holy Spirit either. They believe in the God of Moses and Abraham. They don't believe in God as three persons.
Your other points are right, but the God of Moses and the God of Abraham are the same God. There is only one God, in three persons, personalities, forms, whatever term you'd like to use.
But implying that somehow God in the OT is different from the NT God is just wrong. The New Testament is constantly proving the OT, showing symbolism, relations, and proving Himself to us.
This was my first thought. OFI seems like the primary target with this bill. They've been successful in winning their lawsuits thus far, so now the UOs are going to change the laws. Crazy stuff. Can't hold onto your authority in the marketplace of ideas so you put the power of the state behind it. This is going to blow up in their faces. If you tell kids not to do something, they're going to want to do it even more. Especially if the corrupt government wants you to not do it. Persecution only ever purified and grows Christianity. They're doing Christians the biggest favor lol
Of course they hate us, they think we’re here to be their slaves. If you were a big nosed little hat wearer you might be salty and resentful that your God blessed your “slaves” with such fortune.
They did not have the authority to crucify Jesus. The Synagogue of Satan convinced Pilot he had to crucify Jesus because he was a threat to THEIR SWAMP.
Is it narcissistic to die for what He believed? Heal people of physical maladies? Teach people to stop breaking the law of Moses? Teach them to follow the intent of the Jewish law to a higher degree than the rabbis? Teach people to obey the Shema and love their neighbors? Teach people to change their hearts rather than start a political uprising? Totally narcissistic /s .... For which of these things did they kill him?
Well there was being truthful, for one. But He didn't lord it over anyone. In fact, that was the core of His message. Anyone who wants to be in a high position, must humble himself and become a servant of all. Rabbis never wash their students feet. The most direct statement of his divinity was his assent to being called the Messiah, which the Sanhedrin themselves equated with divinity. Others called Him the son of God. Indirectly, His 'I am' statements could be understood as the divine YHWH title. Read the gospels again. He didn't come to glorify himself, but to glorify the Father, and trust that God would glorify Him by proving His words and works true in the resurrection. Et voila.
Writes someone who doesn’t even believe his own scripture. Arguing with these types is like wrestling mud - it just oozes somewhere else and pretends like the cornerstone of their argument 2 seconds prior is now non-existent. Chase the argument there and fwoop off to the next straw man.
These are ultra Orthodox. They throw stones at cars driving on the Sabbath. There are all sorts of factions in Israel. If there were Christians like this they would be trying to make mosques illegal in Europe.
Mosques should be illegal in Europe, they are a conquering army coming to destroy Europe, Jews have only controlled Israel for 80 years and only thanks to the might and generosity of European Christians.
I don't disagree with your feeling about mosques, I'm only pointing out that what you're seeing is nationalist defensive sentiments from the outside point of view. It would be the same for a real Christian country to say that Jews or Muslims should not be able to try to convert Christians in that country. And by the way, many English fought with the Arabs against the Jews in the Israeli war of independence. Israel is protected because the US needs it, not because of nice feelings. The idea that the country exists because of generosity is laughable. I hope you don't apply that logic to other spheres of geopolitical activity.
I suppose I could say some stuff about how Israel coordinates actions with the US to keep Muslim countries in line, or provides intelligence, or is a launching off spot, or whatever else, but it is all speculation. The reason I say the US needs Israel is because they would not coordinate with Israel if they didn't need them. Sadly at this point the US has left many of its allies out to dry when it didn't need them anymore, and no influence group in the US is powerful enough to change that.
Name a reason they hate us that doesn't stem from our alliance with the "little satan" and the resulting "war on terror". Don't tell me you still believe the neocon lie that they hate us for our freedom?
Each representative is elected by their little group. That's how parliaments work. They represent the ultra religious, and many other Israelis hate them by the way, because of the religious differences and because the ultra Orthodox don't serve in the military. But on the other hand they are also one of the only groups stopping Israeli woke leftists from taking over the country, just like here.
lol just goes to show yet again stormfags are retards. No ability to think logically and so you operate just like a leftist. By your own logic the US is also a fake country on stolen land. But I guess since you can't blame that one on the jews you ignore it like you do with everything else that doesn't fit your world view.
The English literally promised to give that land to the Arabs, in exchange for helping fight the Ottoman Turks, but the English also promised in the Balfour Declaration to give that land to the Jews. Turns out, making mutually exclusive promises like that was a mistake, and so we've had a century of violence there because of the Brits.
It brings me great joy that each day, more and more people of all faiths, races, and nations are becoming aware of what a cancer you are. The Holocaust wasn't real, but God's oven is real and is where you'll be going if you don't drop the messiah denial.
PILPUL. You’re spreading lies. So if they are not Israel, how are they writing and presenting bills before the government? They are elected representatives of Israeli jews. Choke on a dradle and die you dirty liar. Jews of today have no relationship to Christ and work to undermine the 12 tribes 24/7. They chose this path.
Jews - You make no distinction between fakes and real. This does not mean real Jews cannot be lost. They can be and are if they do not recognize Jesus as their messiah and savior.
But you ignore Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus and Revelation if you consider them forever lost.
You will not be dissuaded from HATING, even by scripture.
1 John:2
9 He who says he is in the light and hates his brother is in the darkness still. 10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and in it[c] there is no cause for stumbling. 11 But he who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
If you quote scripture, know the context.
This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.
This is about knowing Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and it's TRUTH. CHRIST is not a name, but a title. We would write this: Jesus, the Christ the same as Charles, the King of England.
Well, Jews are anti-Christs, just like atheists and Muslims. I don’t get why our society is so enamored with them. Look at who leads the globalists and their Satanic views, it’s usually Jews. Even Jesus called them out in his time. The real Jews, meaning the people of God, followed Jesus and became Christians.
Wouldn't expect anything less. So when do we learn from our conservative Muslim friends. Hey listen I know they're not perfect The Jews aren't perfect the Christians aren't perfect but we need to have a friend at this point and I much rather hang out with the conservative Muslim who's going to throw fags off the top of buildings and make sure that they're women or women then listen to these fucking Jews anymore I've had it with them!! I don't hate Jews. I know lots of Jewish people they're all good people. These are not the Jews we need to talk about. The everyday American Jew or modern Jew isn't the issue it's the elite Jews and globalist who have no allegiance to anyone or any nation. They are anti-religion anti everything They just want control power
Daniel was forbidden to pray by decree/law. That didn't stop him from praying. He was thrown in with the lions. Remember what happened to those that pushed the decree/law to stop praying?
While they are God's chosen, God usually picks his favorite by those who are the best example of trouble. They literally turned their backs on God after they followed a ball of fire across a sea that was separated before their eyes. Bread fell from the sky. And this was after they witnessed physical in person miracles plague their enemy's city. They are truly a stubborn and difficult people. Hence, they murdered God's son.
The white born again Christian today lives by faith, and can't wait to see even a glimpse of a cloud being rolled back to reveal the one we love. It's truly a different type of people.
"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. "
This proposed law is good news for the spread of the Gospel in Israel. It highlights the name of Jesus that will lead many to question “what’s up with this Jesus?” giving opportunity for Messianic Jews to provide the answer. This persecution will backfire.
Calm down. It is TWO Orthodox Jews out of the entire Knesset. Israel is overwhelmingly a secular country, which passed off the Ortho Jews when they couldn't get religious exemptions from military duty in the IDF. It is showboating stunt for their constituents, same as when our politicians introduce legislation they know can't pass...
Well they did kill Him.
christians always forget that part when theyre white knighting for the jews who never seem to return the favor.
They must repent as they are in serious danger for supporting the beast system, and were tricked just because the banking cartels named a certain country that name, then used the US with propaganda to take over the world for them through war.
I've been sending out the info to every church misled by Dispensationalism I could.
And I'm worn out, because the older folks just can't grasp it, many just attack with knee-jerk reactions as they can't believe so much of their worldview is based on a lie from people who plan to kill them.
It's heartbreaking, and I am ready to go home to be with Jesus, this world is too evil. I wanted to help everyone before I left this place and I don't know what else to do, I don't want people going to hell because they were tricked, I know what that star really is.
Autism is a nightmare because I've had to see this happen for years and no one listens.
same buddy. i understand exactly what you mean.
youre trying to warn them but its like a silent scream, and theyre too busy gawking at your soundless open mouth to notice the dumptruck about to run them over.
im not giving up, but at the end of the day, i fight for reasons they couldnt possibly fathom. they can kill me, but they will never destroy me.
They've been warned before :
Their own prophets :
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,though you are small among the clans[a] of Judah,out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.” ---Micah 5:2
Ooops
It's the star of Remphan.
The last 2.5 years have been a crazy ride for me.
I'm completely with you on the error of dispensationalism.
Look at remphan symbol in the flag of Israel, a hexagram that sprouts 6 triangles forming a 6 sided star.
We like to larp 6uild 6ack 6etter but the Israeli flag symbolically has 666 on its center
Yes, it absolutely does.
What is dispensationalism?
Dispensationalism is a term used to deliniate beliefs about prophecy. There are for sure two dispensations, very simply the Old Testament and the New Testament. Amillenialists believe there is no rapture event. Postmillenialists believe that we are already living through the tribulation period. And premillenialists believe that Christ is coming back to take the saints out of the world before the tribulation period of 7 years, followed by a 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth. Amillenialists do not identify themselves as dispensationalists while they do view premillenialists as such.
u/LadyPedette
Premils fall into two camps. Historical premillennialism and dispensationalism. They both definitely have different ideas about how things work out prior to Jesus return and millennial kingdom. Dispensationalism isn't just eschatology either... They have odd views about salvation requirements and which books of the bible do and do not apply to them. And of course, everyone's favorite 'escape tribulation free card,' the pretrib rapture.
Historical premillennialism is pretty much what all the churches have believed before the 1800s... All those churches that actually had to survive persecutions and tribulations weren't deceived into thinking they would escape planet earth when the going got tough. Sadly, we seem to have fallen into that trap.
That is definitely true about historical premillenialism. Most all Christians believed that as an accepted doctrine prior to the disputes of the 1800s, specifically American Christianity, primarily in the South, began to dispute dispensationalism. I also would note that German higher criticism has had a major effect on Christendom. People even began to doubt the Scriptures as inspired by God because of it.
Curious, which churches in the south disputed dispensationalism? Because they seem to be quite inundated with it (well, those that believe premil, anyway). If you're speaking of textual criticism, then yes, when one has a skewed concept of infallibility bc they view it through some lens of doctrinal presupposition, then the dominoes fall fast when others start poking around. Then you have the choice to double down on error or give up. It takes a strong faith to keep seeking truth and keep trusting despite prior perspectives being challenged.
Dispensation used in a sentence. Christ calls on his followers to be meek, but meekness is not what comes to mind when Jesus flipped the tables of the money changers. Jesus was meek when it came to his Fathers dispensations of Him, but was not necessarily meek towards other men when his Fathers honour was at stake.
Thank you.
For sure. Pulled it from an Oswald chambers book, baffled to fight better. It’s a great read. Also, wanted to get it out there that as Christians we aren’t supposed to be timid, agreeable, and compromising with men, but to be meek towards God. In fact the Bible says to exhort, and rebuke others, neither of which are really “nice.”
Was wondering that myself. Never heard of that term before.
I never heard any of this until I started going to my (then fiancé's) husband's church. It is reformed, and I got a huge dose of actual theology and historical teachings about our beliefs. It was so helpful, as I had many questions growing up in a non-denominational church that were never answered. The different dispensations, Covenantal teachings, and the different end times teachings were all new to me.
Imagine that, learning about Protestantism and the reformation. Seems like a good idea if you call yourself one, right? Yet I was never given that teaching until the last 6 years.
Got any good links? Looking for short articles. Easy to print, copy, stick on windshields in Church parking lots.
When the priest is a communist, gotta reach the flock directly.
"..that star really is." remphan.
Do you have a reference for that in the Talmud?
Oh buddy, welcome to hell. all.net/books/iw/mid-east/unity-news.2000-12-03/www.ummah.net/unity/palestine/judaism/talmud1.htm
Count the number of times jews in America have thanked American Whites for the millions of lives lost to save them from the holocaust.
I'm not aware of a single instance. But they sure will claim that Whites in America are responsible for it (somehow).
Hahaha I know.
You're referring to "Judeo-Christians"...a byproduct of the heretical religion Catholicism. The true apostolic faith founded by Jesus' disciples still thrives: Orthodox Christianity.
no actually, im referring to the protestants and nondenominationals who refer to themselves as christians. hence why i used the word christian, and not catholic, and not judeo-christian which is a term used to refer to the abrahamic foundations of western civilization and not any religion (hence why even the term is two religions appended together).
if you actually think that catholics invented and identify with the term judeo-christian, then youre an idiot.
The Great Schism, which prompted the formation of the modern Catholic church as you know it, led to Martin Luther who brought you puritanism and all the other branches of now protestantism, lutheranism, JW, etc.
You have to ask yourself, if the catholics hadnt decided to play game of thrones with the true apostolic church - now known by most as Orthodox Christianity, formerly known as Catholicism, then would Satan be able to deceive so many "churches" as the liar has today?
I explain all this for historical purposes. The Living Word is quite clear that we are His Church now - wherever we come together - those who acknowledge Jesus as Lord God, repent, come before God with an open heart and mind, and abide by the Father's commandments are members of it. For those with hesychastic pursuits along their walk in faith, who pray earnestly and repent and fast, etc, and Fear the Lord thy God and observe His Sabbath - are just putting their best foot forward as they take up their cross, daily.
I only suggest in terms of faith and practice, that the original church founded by the disciples of Christ, not having deviated from it nor modernized it for society's sake, are likely better prepared to aid His flock.
What people claim to invent and identity as is a somewhat irrelevant point. No groomers claim to have invented or identify as groomers, but they are groomers.
Some seem to forget that Jews were the first converts.
That's one way to look at it. Another way is that those who ignored the prophets and rejected the Messiah fell away from the ancient religion(just like the many in the Old Testament who turned to Baal), while those who recognized and followed the Messiah are the continuation of the religion of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
What is the relevance?
The relevance is that "they" didn't kill him. Some did, some didn't.
Was Hitler not leader of the Nazis and did he not write a book detailing his desire to kill the Jews?
key word: convert
meaning "was, but no longer"
"Jew" is still an ethnicitiy, considering that, you know, they shunned proselytizing and marrying outside the faith. If you read Solzhenitsyn's 200 Years Together, he states that the reason why there seemed to be so many Jews involved in Communism in Russia is because they gave up Judaism and turne to the cultural nihilism that was so popular among Russian underclasses back in the late Imperial era.
its both religion and ethnicity.
the christian charities are only every concerned about helping the people that are both.
And?
I guess we'll ignore that nearly half of the Knesset are Muslim and secular parties, right?
right, its the other half of the bucket that are the bad ones. 😏
Actually, the Romans physically killed him.
They could have banished him, but they killed him.
Actually, every human that has existed killed him; as he sacrificed his life to atone for everyone’s sin.
“No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.” ~Jesus https://biblehub.com/john/10-18.htm
Sure OK, but physically, not metaphorically, the Romans killed him.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Barabbas-biblical-figure
"Many have placed blame for Christ’s death on the Jews ... However, numerous modern Christian scholars and leaders, including Pope Benedict XVI, have explicitly denounced this position, claiming that the crowd on that fateful day consisted of Jewish Temple authorities and Barabbas’s supporters, not of the entire Jewish people."
Luke
"6 Now it was the custom at the festival to release a prisoner whom the people requested. 7 A man called Barabbas was in prison with the insurrectionists who had committed murder in the uprising. 8 The crowd came up and asked Pilate to do for them what he usually did.
11 But the chief priests stirred up the crowd to have Pilate release Barabbas instead. "
Barabbas murdered a Roman in the uprising. Why would Romans give up a man like that? Because they wanted Jesus more.
"16 The soldiers led Jesus away into the palace (that is, the Praetorium) and called together the whole company of soldiers. 17 They put a purple robe on him, then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on him. 18 And they began to call out to him, “Hail, king of the Jews!” 19 Again and again they struck him on the head with a staff and spit on him. Falling on their knees, they paid homage to him. 20 And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple robe and put his own clothes on him. Then they led him out to crucify him."
Hmm, so ... the Romans treated him worse.
Nowhere in the New Testament do you hear about Jews striking Jesus and spitting on him.
I see what you are saying, but what is your take on Mathew 27:24
When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
Pilate washed his hands in front of the masses, proclaiming innocence. Isn't this to show the crowd he did not want Jesus dead, but ordered his death because that is what the people wanted? He was washing his hands of the responsibility.
"The people" weren't the people. They were Priests and Barrabas' supporters. Jesus' followers were there ... they didn't want Jesus crucified, did they?
Why would the Romans give up a man (Barrabas) who murdered a Roman?
Why would Roman soldiers dress him up like a king, knock him down, and spit on him?
Also, historians can't find any reference to releasing a prisoner for Passover at that time. It's only in the gospels.
Obviously, it was a trade. A guilty man for an innocent man.
Keep in mind that Herod, Pilate, and the Pharisees were all in cahoots, as Jesus snubbed them all.
Luke 23
"6 When Pilate heard of Galilee, he asked if the Man were a Galilean. 7 And as soon as he knew that He belonged to Herod’s jurisdiction, he sent Him to Herod, who was also in Jerusalem at that time. 8 Now when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceedingly glad; for he had desired for a long time to see Him, because he had heard many things about Him, and he hoped to see some miracle done by Him. 9 Then he questioned Him with many words, but He answered him nothing. 10 And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused Him. 11 Then Herod, with his [c]men of war, treated Him with contempt and mocked Him, arrayed Him in a gorgeous robe, and sent Him back to Pilate. 12 That very day Pilate and Herod became friends with each other, for previously they had been at enmity with each other."
The art of taking someone out and pretending it was the will of the people.
We've seen that trope play out many times in history. lol, even recently.
Same logic as lefties blaming violence on guns. Pilate was just a tool for the mob, who made it very clear that they'd give him a messy uprising if he didn't give them what they wanted.
Not necessarily a messy uprising, but Pilate was on thin ice with Rome at the time because of events preceding Jesus so Pilate had very little wiggle room lest his own head be on the chopping block.
Look into the Great Revolt sometime, they had the potential to do a lot of damage to Roman interests if that had kicked off a few decades early.
But why would they have a NATIONAL revolt for not having Jesus punished?
It doesn't make any sense. It's just a Romans-became-Christian narrative to absolve their guilt.
Romans had been taking Jewish slaves for a while then. Why couldn't they quell the Pharisees by taking Jesus away to Rome or wherever?
Just like today, the region was a giant tinderbox. Any spark could set off a big-ass conflagration.
Right, so they didn't have to kill Jesus. Thank you.
The Pharisees protested Jesus being titled the "King of the Jews", but Pilate, and agent of Herod II, gave him that title at his deathsite.
You missed the significance of this.
Herod II was denied the title of "King of the Jews" by Rome, so he killed the "King of the Jews"
The Romans dealt with plenty of uprisings, so don't give me that.
It would have been a mess. Don't forget, when there finally was a Jewish uprising, the Romans responded by flattening Jerusalem, kicking the survivors out of Judea, and planting a new Roman colony on the rubble.
You just proved Romans don't mind doing things that cause uprisings. QED
No, I proved that they don't mind putting uprisings down hard, so they don't happen again. Though that still wasn't as hard as they came down on the Gallic revolt.
But why would uprisings start to begin with?
The Jews did not kill Jesus. We killed Jesus. If you think otherwise, you are not on the narrow path toward the gates of Heaven.
If they want to be technical about it, the Romans were the ones that actually killed him. But like you said, he came here to die for our sins. Regardless of who ended up doing the deed, it was the sin of the world, all of us, which put him on the path to die.
If you want to be technical, no one killed Jesus, he gave his life up. No one in the universe could kill him if he didn't allow it.
If you're a true christian than you know the prophecy was Christ was to be crucified for all of mankind including his assassin's to be forgiven through Christ. He wasn't murdered he was martyred.
I say this as an atheist who understands and respect religion but posts like yours are insufferable
I have no idea what your point is.
Nice of you to rewrite the Bible 1 Thess. 2
14For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
That verse will definitely trigger some boomers. The Douay-Rheims translates it to "and are adversaries to all men", which is even more based.
That's a very narrow reading of Scripture. God sent his only son to be tortured and murdered not because of the Jews' sins, but for all our sins. You and I are just as responsible as the Pharisee priests, Judas, or Pilate.
If Jesus is God or God's son, then he didn't die. He couldn't die. The whole story is ridiculous.
He was crucified and died on the cross, and rose from the dead into Heaven 3 days later.
We all killed him. The human race, that is.
I never enslaved black people, so I have nothing to feel guilty for. By that same argument, Jews alive today did not kill Jesus.
But most still disavow him as the Son of God
Jesus was killed by government.
There is a big Jesus Movement in Israel called ONE FOR ISRAEL Ministry, they are Jewish people who now believe in Jesus and preach the new testament. Jewish Leaders have been trying to shut them down for years and it has just been getting bigger. They have threaten the leaders and their families, I guess this is the newest way to try and shut them up.
Amen, support ONE For Israel.🙏🏻
I'm so happy to see that OFI is more well known than I thought! They definitely need some prayers. Seems like they're going through a lot recently with the lawsuits and Eitan being kicked out for his personal issues.
I know, let's make them illegal. That always works really well.
Jokes on them, the church always thrives when persecuted.
BTW Yeshua said We would be hated for His sake. I welcome it.
Jesus does not like that term. I would refrain from using it.
"Jesus is not Yeshua due to the fact that His Hebrew name, "Notzri," is derived from Nazareth (Natzeret in Hebrew), which is worlds away in Israeli perception compared to Yeshua me Natzeret – Yeshua from Nazareth.0"
Where do you get this??
From some retarded boomer bullshit.
What the fuck are you talking about…
Go back to your mail order bride forums.
So you realize we have his full genealogy, right? You're really showing that you've never opened your Bible up.
What version of the Bible are you getting that from?
He was half-Jewish.
His fake news spreading jew hating anus
Yeshua (Jesus) is from Yehoshua (Joshua). Yeshua means to save, rescue, or salvation. Yehoshua means to deliver or deliverance. Why would Jesus not like this name given to him by God himself? Btw Jesus' true name is unknown. Rev 19:12 describing the rider on the white horse (not to be confused with the pale horse from Rev 6).
Thank you.
Fascinating.
"I refuse to eat one more morsel until Jesus walks again" "He walked again 2000 years ago" (I eat)
Sauce? Did you ask Jesus Himself?
Jesus does not like that term? Very interesting. I disagree of course.
Here's why.
The first time that name was ever used was in June of 1632. Jesus, which is the name used by most English-speaking people today, is an English transliteration of a Germanic adaptation, of a Latin transliteration, of a Greek transliteration of an originally Hebrew name, that is simply Yeshua.
See also below.
Let’s start with the foundational information, which is understanding the name Yeshua. This unique name of God (one of many and yet, the most significant) means salvation.
It is only with this understanding that we can recognize Jesus’ Hebrew name throughout the Old Testament. Jesus’ disciples wouldn’t have called Him anything other than Yeshua. And instead of “Jesus Christ”, they’d say Yeshua HaMashiach (Messiah).
Quick, call the ADL! Oh…….
Kek
Heh.
Israel is banning Jesus, because the enemy is going to take a foothold in Israel soon.
Two thirds of Israel will perish for aligning themselves with the antichrist, one third will go through refinement and walk in power.
Exactly this. The Antichrist will be the Jew’s prophesied Messiah. Can’t have the true Gospel preached as it opposes the deep fake.
Three Ben Shapiro's in a trench coat?
Correct, the deception must come. For as it was in the days of Elijah, there will be a remnant of God in Israel, this day!
Going to?? It's been there the whole time.
Because folks of the Jewish faith never believed Jesus was the son of God. They really don't believe in the Holy Spirit either. They believe in the God of Moses and Abraham. They don't believe in God as three persons.
Someone with some actual knowledge of Judaism. Good work pede!
It's the same picture
They don't believe in the God of Moses and Abraham. Why try to teach what you obviously know so little about? It's blasphemous.
John 5:46 "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me."
Your other points are right, but the God of Moses and the God of Abraham are the same God. There is only one God, in three persons, personalities, forms, whatever term you'd like to use.
But implying that somehow God in the OT is different from the NT God is just wrong. The New Testament is constantly proving the OT, showing symbolism, relations, and proving Himself to us.
They are really going after One For Israel and others like them with this bill. They mentioned it in one of their latest videos.
This was my first thought. OFI seems like the primary target with this bill. They've been successful in winning their lawsuits thus far, so now the UOs are going to change the laws. Crazy stuff. Can't hold onto your authority in the marketplace of ideas so you put the power of the state behind it. This is going to blow up in their faces. If you tell kids not to do something, they're going to want to do it even more. Especially if the corrupt government wants you to not do it. Persecution only ever purified and grows Christianity. They're doing Christians the biggest favor lol
Of course they hate us, they think we’re here to be their slaves. If you were a big nosed little hat wearer you might be salty and resentful that your God blessed your “slaves” with such fortune.
Will they be banning Mohammed?
THEY do. That is why they have been using the media, the entertainment industry, "minorities", and so on to bring us down.
Well… back in the day, they did actually have Jesus crucified instead of criminals.
Funny that they think they can kill Jesus twice.
They did not have the authority to crucify Jesus. The Synagogue of Satan convinced Pilot he had to crucify Jesus because he was a threat to THEIR SWAMP.
But Jesus is their most famous Rabbi...
But he blasphemed.
He did the most narcisisstic thing you can do.
You don't get to change the law ex post facto. Are you a Democrat?
The law was you could not claim to be god or have direct blood relationship with him.
It's really simple.
He knowingly broke the law and knew the punishment.
Jesus is The Law.
"Jewish people disagreed with him is meaningless"
Muslims claim the same thing. It doesn't matter that Jews & Christians felt Muhammed was a false prophet.
You have to accept Muhammed by the same principle. Why don't you?
The Jews disagreed Jesus was the messiah because he did not fulfill the prophecies they were expecting.
What lies?
Is it narcissistic to die for what He believed? Heal people of physical maladies? Teach people to stop breaking the law of Moses? Teach them to follow the intent of the Jewish law to a higher degree than the rabbis? Teach people to obey the Shema and love their neighbors? Teach people to change their hearts rather than start a political uprising? Totally narcissistic /s .... For which of these things did they kill him?
He couldn't do all that without claiming to be the son of god? What was the point of that claim? To be above everyone else.
Well there was being truthful, for one. But He didn't lord it over anyone. In fact, that was the core of His message. Anyone who wants to be in a high position, must humble himself and become a servant of all. Rabbis never wash their students feet. The most direct statement of his divinity was his assent to being called the Messiah, which the Sanhedrin themselves equated with divinity. Others called Him the son of God. Indirectly, His 'I am' statements could be understood as the divine YHWH title. Read the gospels again. He didn't come to glorify himself, but to glorify the Father, and trust that God would glorify Him by proving His words and works true in the resurrection. Et voila.
Truth is a scientific proposition. This is a belief.
Then he should've went to a more populated area, like India or China.
Those aren't reasons, those are excuses for why Romans deserved to have the son of god.
China and India had roads. Greek wasn't universal to them.
Christianity didn't wind up in Korea by use of Greek or Roads. So obviously that wasn't important.
Writes someone who doesn’t even believe his own scripture. Arguing with these types is like wrestling mud - it just oozes somewhere else and pretends like the cornerstone of their argument 2 seconds prior is now non-existent. Chase the argument there and fwoop off to the next straw man.
Why could Jesus only redeem mankind by claiming to be son of God? Because it sounds persuasive to gullible masses?
Not a Jew, just stating the facts. It's all in the New Testament. You should read it.
How can God Himself blaspheme?
These are ultra Orthodox. They throw stones at cars driving on the Sabbath. There are all sorts of factions in Israel. If there were Christians like this they would be trying to make mosques illegal in Europe.
Mosques should be illegal in Europe, they are a conquering army coming to destroy Europe, Jews have only controlled Israel for 80 years and only thanks to the might and generosity of European Christians.
I don't disagree with your feeling about mosques, I'm only pointing out that what you're seeing is nationalist defensive sentiments from the outside point of view. It would be the same for a real Christian country to say that Jews or Muslims should not be able to try to convert Christians in that country. And by the way, many English fought with the Arabs against the Jews in the Israeli war of independence. Israel is protected because the US needs it, not because of nice feelings. The idea that the country exists because of generosity is laughable. I hope you don't apply that logic to other spheres of geopolitical activity.
Why? What has Israel ever done for us, aside from being yet another way to launder tax dollars through the military industrial complex?
I suppose I could say some stuff about how Israel coordinates actions with the US to keep Muslim countries in line, or provides intelligence, or is a launching off spot, or whatever else, but it is all speculation. The reason I say the US needs Israel is because they would not coordinate with Israel if they didn't need them. Sadly at this point the US has left many of its allies out to dry when it didn't need them anymore, and no influence group in the US is powerful enough to change that.
So, they help keep an eye on countries who only hate us because we're allied to Israel?
They definitely hate us for more than supporting Israel. There's a reason they call America the big Satan and Israel the little Satan.
Name a reason they hate us that doesn't stem from our alliance with the "little satan" and the resulting "war on terror". Don't tell me you still believe the neocon lie that they hate us for our freedom?
They are elected representatives of the peoples voice. The people have spoken.
Each representative is elected by their little group. That's how parliaments work. They represent the ultra religious, and many other Israelis hate them by the way, because of the religious differences and because the ultra Orthodox don't serve in the military. But on the other hand they are also one of the only groups stopping Israeli woke leftists from taking over the country, just like here.
That's fine, but turn about is fair play. No more Islam and no more Judaism. Not so keen on the idea now, are they?
Pretty sure the first Muslim citizen (at least legal and or known) wasn’t until 1944.
Spanish-style reconquista
lol just goes to show yet again stormfags are retards. No ability to think logically and so you operate just like a leftist. By your own logic the US is also a fake country on stolen land. But I guess since you can't blame that one on the jews you ignore it like you do with everything else that doesn't fit your world view.
The English literally promised to give that land to the Arabs, in exchange for helping fight the Ottoman Turks, but the English also promised in the Balfour Declaration to give that land to the Jews. Turns out, making mutually exclusive promises like that was a mistake, and so we've had a century of violence there because of the Brits.
It brings me great joy that each day, more and more people of all faiths, races, and nations are becoming aware of what a cancer you are. The Holocaust wasn't real, but God's oven is real and is where you'll be going if you don't drop the messiah denial.
PILPUL. You’re spreading lies. So if they are not Israel, how are they writing and presenting bills before the government? They are elected representatives of Israeli jews. Choke on a dradle and die you dirty liar. Jews of today have no relationship to Christ and work to undermine the 12 tribes 24/7. They chose this path.
Jews - You make no distinction between fakes and real. This does not mean real Jews cannot be lost. They can be and are if they do not recognize Jesus as their messiah and savior.
But you ignore Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus and Revelation if you consider them forever lost.
You will not be dissuaded from HATING, even by scripture.
1 John:2
9 He who says he is in the light and hates his brother is in the darkness still. 10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and in it[c] there is no cause for stumbling. 11 But he who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
If you quote scripture, know the context.
This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.
This is about knowing Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and it's TRUTH. CHRIST is not a name, but a title. We would write this: Jesus, the Christ the same as Charles, the King of England.
Instigators of global conflict
Are you suggesting they are a global terrorist organization, im shocked 😒
Well, Jews are anti-Christs, just like atheists and Muslims. I don’t get why our society is so enamored with them. Look at who leads the globalists and their Satanic views, it’s usually Jews. Even Jesus called them out in his time. The real Jews, meaning the people of God, followed Jesus and became Christians.
Lol mods are going to absolutely nuke this thread. Way to much noticing going on. Can't have that.
Holy wars are in vogue again!?!
Proposed legislation likely done by some radical politician.
Should be DOA in the legislature.
Call me when it passes.
By 2 ultraorthodox members, per article.
Yeah, this bill is dead on arrival.
Come get me if it passes, which it won’t.
Synagogue of Satan. They hate Jesus. They are not of God
Familiarize yourself with the NOAHIDE laws.
Wouldn't expect anything less. So when do we learn from our conservative Muslim friends. Hey listen I know they're not perfect The Jews aren't perfect the Christians aren't perfect but we need to have a friend at this point and I much rather hang out with the conservative Muslim who's going to throw fags off the top of buildings and make sure that they're women or women then listen to these fucking Jews anymore I've had it with them!! I don't hate Jews. I know lots of Jewish people they're all good people. These are not the Jews we need to talk about. The everyday American Jew or modern Jew isn't the issue it's the elite Jews and globalist who have no allegiance to anyone or any nation. They are anti-religion anti everything They just want control power
Christian’s who have a Jew fetish must leave Israel. The time has come.
Hosea 5:15
Then I will return to My place until they admit their guilt and seek My face; in their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.
Daniel was forbidden to pray by decree/law. That didn't stop him from praying. He was thrown in with the lions. Remember what happened to those that pushed the decree/law to stop praying?
While they are God's chosen, God usually picks his favorite by those who are the best example of trouble. They literally turned their backs on God after they followed a ball of fire across a sea that was separated before their eyes. Bread fell from the sky. And this was after they witnessed physical in person miracles plague their enemy's city. They are truly a stubborn and difficult people. Hence, they murdered God's son.
The white born again Christian today lives by faith, and can't wait to see even a glimpse of a cloud being rolled back to reveal the one we love. It's truly a different type of people.
"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. "
This proposed law is good news for the spread of the Gospel in Israel. It highlights the name of Jesus that will lead many to question “what’s up with this Jesus?” giving opportunity for Messianic Jews to provide the answer. This persecution will backfire.
They hated Him first.
I find it really hard to believe.....
Calm down. It is TWO Orthodox Jews out of the entire Knesset. Israel is overwhelmingly a secular country, which passed off the Ortho Jews when they couldn't get religious exemptions from military duty in the IDF. It is showboating stunt for their constituents, same as when our politicians introduce legislation they know can't pass...
Looks like it's time for christians to grow their balls back