Now maybe you understand why homosexuality was forbidden to begin with, its a sadistic mental illness and people who are under it's spell are all vicious manipulative schemers with no redeeming qualities.
homosexuality is the only sin listed in the bible that is in itself also the punishment
Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error
in some sense, and by definition, all sins are a punishment in and of themselves because it is the opposite of good, but in no other place does it state it so clearly as romans 1
all sins are a punishment in and of themselves because it is the opposite of good
I've spent about 20 seconds reflecting on this, and I'm pretty impressed. I'm going to spend more time on it.
"Don't covet thy neighbors wife." You know what? Yes, spending your time even thinking about that is gonna ruin your day, let alone acting on it. Interesting.
"Honor thy father and thy mother." You're new here. They know what the deal is. They also earned a bit of respect by the process of you coming into this world and the difficulty of keeping you alive. Go against them and you're probably gonna have a bad time.
"Don't murder." I bet once you do this, you realize how easily it can be done and now you're on edge all the time thinking you're at risk, too.
that's a hard concept to grasp even though it sounds obvious
it reminds me of the parable of the workers in the vineyard in matthew 20, where the boss paid the first workers he hired the same as the last, and the first guys complained that it wasn't fair because they have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day while the others had not
they're implicitly saying that the narrow path is worse than the wide path, like repenting on your death bed and thinking you got away with something, as if walking with the lord and being refined is not in itself the good
Don't confuse the moral laws with the purity laws. God's people were terrible (on average) at keeping the moral laws, so he set up a bunch of intentionally bullshit laws designed to weed out the weak and keep the faithful from dissolving into the larger world. (The line of David needed to be kept alive and intact so that God could send Jesus through it.)
Those bullshit laws are why allegedly observant Jews today can't wear garments made with different types of fibers, can't eat pigs, etc. Some of those purity laws had practical advantages, mostly gone now, but that wasn't their purpose.
Of course, for people who want to take theology out of it, those laws (and the rest of the bible) could be seen as gathered wisdom, and then the practical benefits would be more important. That wouldn't mean that all of them have practical value, of course...
Oh, and there is a third category of law in the old testament, no more meaningful today than the purity laws area. These are the civil laws of a kingdom that probably never existed and certainly does not exist today.
Eh, but that division itself isn't really in the Bible, though it's true that we're not bound to offer sacrifices at a temple that hasn't existed since 80 AD or such, nor by most Jewish laws. If you look at the thought at the time, you'll come up with Noahide laws which were laws for Gentiles, which to be fair were essentially moral laws like that against murder.
After Peter's vision of the sheet with animals and the council at Jerusalem which you can find in Acts 15 and Galatians, they adopted a modified version of these for the new Gentile believers rather than burden Christians with all of those laws that they were never really under to begin with due to being Gentiles.
As for sodomy, the Bible says that those who practice it will be thrown into a sickbed, so even back then people knew that anal sex was unhealthy. Go look up AIDS transmission rates for anal sex vs. vaginal and you'll see one example. This is why they used to call it GRID before the homos protested to get it renamed and why they stopped talking about monkeypox.
What is the purpose of Natural Evil? It is a callback, a restraint on Moral Evil. When we commit moral evil, we don't reflect on it. We commit it and it is as nothing evil happened. It's not a 1 for 1 exchange of Moral Evil for Natural Evil, but it is a limit on a person and their evil acts, if not in pain, in death. Typically, when someone commits Moral Evil another person will suffer Natural Evil. For example, if I work all day for a loaf of bread and you steal it, I suffer the pain of not eating, the pain is meant to have me reflect on Man's fallen state, including my own as I will demonstrate.
It is abhorrent and destructive because it takes away a breeding person away from doing their natural deed of bringing forth the next generation. It's always been about procreation and the future of mankind. Why do you think God opposes it?
Pretty much every culture has banned it - it does nothing to foster a healthy society. It only slinks into public view when a civilization is decadent and failing.
Neither did ancient Greece, but there is a lot of lying about that to make it seem like it has always been accepted. I read somewhere that the Vikings killed men in their societies who were caught cross dressing so you can rule them out too.
Faggotry was banned in every major civilization for good reasons. They are disease vectors, they do not reproduce except by molesting children, and they are degenerates.
What's amusing is, by splitting the church, they are going to be lumping all the alleged "racists" in deep red areas into the Global Methodist groups with the African nations.
...there are no shortcomings in the word, the word is God. obeying God IS righteousness.
I guess that explains alot:
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,though you are small among the clans[a] of Judah,out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.” ---Micah 5:2
The Bible is not the authority. The law is not the authority. You need not learn these things or be told them. Jesus death tore the veil apart, brought the grace of the kingdom of God to all of us. Be wise not stupid
dude, you fear women because you're an ugly shrimp-dicked fat faggot with zero charisma and zero money. it's not their fault you're a fucking crybaby loser who smells like dick cheese. you don't respect yourself, so no one else has to.
You realize the petty name calling does not equate "winning" right?
All it does is expose your maturity level and where you are at spiritually.
A better way to argue is to not say anything bad, but to tear someone's argument, position, or whatever apart. That's the sign of a skilled debater. Name calling is a substitution for debate when one cannot produce the goods. Many think if they come up with a witty insult it means they "win". Unfortunately, all that see the post only see someone who couldn't debate and therefore had to resort to name calling.
Up your game sir. It is lacking. Now go ahead and call me names and make sure it's a zinger that burns like a ghost pepper. Or you could use this as a learning opportunity to try and argue with people without all the name calling and insults. It takes practice, but it actually makes you a better debater and you can get under people's skin more. People expect insults and are accustomed to them. Not insulting them and focusing on exposing the faults of their logic makes them furious.
the scary thing about Romans 1 that most people miss is that it is showing what happens to a country when God gives them over to their own desires, instead of trying to hold them back like He usually does. Eventually, through their sin and rebellion against God, they make so clear to God that they don't want Him in their lives, that He says effectively "FINE. HAVE IT YOUR WAY." And this is what happens.
Revelation 2:18-23 (NKJV) 18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, ‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: 19 “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and [as] for your works, the last [are] more than the first. 20 “Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 “And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 “Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 “I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
This is t a church, it’s a community center. I’m sick of people saying “the church” and including places like this. Paul would have called them pagans.
They literally are not. They are the United church of university point. Their website features no about or info and judging by the photos it's a bunch of liberal yuppies pretending their coexist bumper sticker is a religion.
They brag about being part of the woke mob and have more colors in their congregations hair then a standard pack of Crayola lol.
They are also a part of faith action network. Which seems super sketch. No mention of God or Jesus on their website but tons of politics.
They are literally just another liberal political group that probably funnels money from stupid people into the politicians pockets.
Luke 22:35-38 (NIV) 35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. 36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” 38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.
Thats stupid af. It doesn't work if youre not biblically illiterate. The bible CLEARLY condemns homosexuals to hell AND Jesus himself said to buy two swords. If they had guns, he'd be about having two.
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Go check out their website ucup.org. It's a cucked leftist church...... Very cringe.
They are the reason why people are leaving Christianity and organized religion. It sometimes turns people into the biggest fruitcakes in the name of being "good".
The first tip is Pastor Cathlynn Law. When women lead spiritual institutions, they have no time for theology, tradition or faithful practice. Instead, they want to things fun, exciting, catchy and preach their opinions as gospel truth. I bet Pastor Cathlynn Law has no idea that Jesus told the Apostles to take a sword with them to preach the good news.
lefties always say stupid thing like this and think they're being witty or deep. It goes to show ya, Democrat voters are democrats because they're stupid people voting the way they think smart people vote because the media told them so. They're just so cringe with the cutesy dumb sayings and the cultic chants.
Their "pastor" is a lesbian with a dog for a child. What'd you expect other than supporting the LGBT+ agenda
And they wonder why the United Methodist Church is dying.
John Wesley rolls in his grave
Now maybe you understand why homosexuality was forbidden to begin with, its a sadistic mental illness and people who are under it's spell are all vicious manipulative schemers with no redeeming qualities.
homosexuality is the only sin listed in the bible that is in itself also the punishment
Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error
in some sense, and by definition, all sins are a punishment in and of themselves because it is the opposite of good, but in no other place does it state it so clearly as romans 1
I've spent about 20 seconds reflecting on this, and I'm pretty impressed. I'm going to spend more time on it.
"Don't covet thy neighbors wife." You know what? Yes, spending your time even thinking about that is gonna ruin your day, let alone acting on it. Interesting.
"Honor thy father and thy mother." You're new here. They know what the deal is. They also earned a bit of respect by the process of you coming into this world and the difficulty of keeping you alive. Go against them and you're probably gonna have a bad time.
"Don't murder." I bet once you do this, you realize how easily it can be done and now you're on edge all the time thinking you're at risk, too.
Sin is essentially self-harm, yes.
that's a hard concept to grasp even though it sounds obvious
it reminds me of the parable of the workers in the vineyard in matthew 20, where the boss paid the first workers he hired the same as the last, and the first guys complained that it wasn't fair because they have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day while the others had not
they're implicitly saying that the narrow path is worse than the wide path, like repenting on your death bed and thinking you got away with something, as if walking with the lord and being refined is not in itself the good
Humans are made in the Image of God
Sin is lawlessness against God.
Sin is by its very definition a self-wound at the spiritual level, cutting far deeper than any material wound.
Don't confuse the moral laws with the purity laws. God's people were terrible (on average) at keeping the moral laws, so he set up a bunch of intentionally bullshit laws designed to weed out the weak and keep the faithful from dissolving into the larger world. (The line of David needed to be kept alive and intact so that God could send Jesus through it.)
Those bullshit laws are why allegedly observant Jews today can't wear garments made with different types of fibers, can't eat pigs, etc. Some of those purity laws had practical advantages, mostly gone now, but that wasn't their purpose.
Of course, for people who want to take theology out of it, those laws (and the rest of the bible) could be seen as gathered wisdom, and then the practical benefits would be more important. That wouldn't mean that all of them have practical value, of course...
Oh, and there is a third category of law in the old testament, no more meaningful today than the purity laws area. These are the civil laws of a kingdom that probably never existed and certainly does not exist today.
Eh, but that division itself isn't really in the Bible, though it's true that we're not bound to offer sacrifices at a temple that hasn't existed since 80 AD or such, nor by most Jewish laws. If you look at the thought at the time, you'll come up with Noahide laws which were laws for Gentiles, which to be fair were essentially moral laws like that against murder.
After Peter's vision of the sheet with animals and the council at Jerusalem which you can find in Acts 15 and Galatians, they adopted a modified version of these for the new Gentile believers rather than burden Christians with all of those laws that they were never really under to begin with due to being Gentiles.
As for sodomy, the Bible says that those who practice it will be thrown into a sickbed, so even back then people knew that anal sex was unhealthy. Go look up AIDS transmission rates for anal sex vs. vaginal and you'll see one example. This is why they used to call it GRID before the homos protested to get it renamed and why they stopped talking about monkeypox.
That's a horrible understanding.
Leviticus 11:19 prohibits eating bats.
Oh darn, I was going to rush out and ...
What is the purpose of Natural Evil? It is a callback, a restraint on Moral Evil. When we commit moral evil, we don't reflect on it. We commit it and it is as nothing evil happened. It's not a 1 for 1 exchange of Moral Evil for Natural Evil, but it is a limit on a person and their evil acts, if not in pain, in death. Typically, when someone commits Moral Evil another person will suffer Natural Evil. For example, if I work all day for a loaf of bread and you steal it, I suffer the pain of not eating, the pain is meant to have me reflect on Man's fallen state, including my own as I will demonstrate.
Right. Anything not ordered towards God is disordered and will lead to some sort of infliction.
The wages of sin are death. We aren't being instructed to do things which will hold us back. We are being instructed to avoid self-destruction.
Romans in the greatest need , at the time. Like the Pope and the boys now
Also why female clergy are forbidden.
This here is an allusion to woman's weakness. But here in 2023 women are queens have no weakness and are like unto God's themselves.
Now, am I circular? Or redundant...
Homosexuality was forbidden because it's a no gain relationship. There is no purpose in homosexuals other than just taking up space.
For pleasure only. No fruit from the relationship (pun intended).
Mankind worshipping Mankind.............The goal of Demi-Gods from the beginning.
Try it ,you'll like it , it's just an apple.
If you think nature is communist then I can't help you.
It is abhorrent and destructive because it takes away a breeding person away from doing their natural deed of bringing forth the next generation. It's always been about procreation and the future of mankind. Why do you think God opposes it?
Pretty much every culture has banned it - it does nothing to foster a healthy society. It only slinks into public view when a civilization is decadent and failing.
Ancient Rome did not condone homosexuality. That's a lie spread mainly by one author in one book.
Neither did ancient Greece, but there is a lot of lying about that to make it seem like it has always been accepted. I read somewhere that the Vikings killed men in their societies who were caught cross dressing so you can rule them out too.
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These facts need to be known, just like J6
Faggotry was banned in every major civilization for good reasons. They are disease vectors, they do not reproduce except by molesting children, and they are degenerates.
He already was rolling in his grave with their popularization of female pastors.
The Methodist church in my small town has been the staging area for every left wing protest and pussy march since I've lived here.
Glad my church dumped the heretics of umc
What's amusing is, by splitting the church, they are going to be lumping all the alleged "racists" in deep red areas into the Global Methodist groups with the African nations.
I grew up Methodist, but I've long since abandoned it myself.
Our priests now are based, one of them was actually preaching about the evils of communism a while back.
Their latest facebook "post".
And people wonder why I don't "do" churches anymore...
EDIT: it appears archive is struggling with the link so here's the actual facebook link.
Taken down
Looks like archive was having issues with the link. Updated my comment with the original.
They destroyed your faith and church and life style and maybe you can return the favor?
Jesus didn't follow the Bible, he tried to make a new covenant, and rejected the Judeo grafted lawfare of the Pharisees.
Could he have known the shortcomings of the human writings (commandments) and followed an even higher path ?
I guess that explains alot:
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,though you are small among the clans[a] of Judah,out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.” ---Micah 5:2
Perfect , thus un-righteousness ?
All fall short.
Did you hear and UNDERSTAND at "in front of the tribes of Jacob" ?
Didn't think so , thus your / our understanding is filtered through imperfect sources.
Thus the need for so many teachers / interpreters to constantly reapply to new circumstance.
You're missing the point. Try again ...
This thread was about Biblical law before no? I'm lost tbh
He didn't "try" to make a new Covenant.
Jesus most certainly DID follow the Bible, but also taught with authority, unlike the leaders of the day who generally had little understanding.
How Jesus "fulfilled the law and the Prophets" (OT) is pertinent to all of this, and an excellent topic to learn.
The Bible is not the authority. The law is not the authority. You need not learn these things or be told them. Jesus death tore the veil apart, brought the grace of the kingdom of God to all of us. Be wise not stupid
Jesus IS the authority. He is also the Word. You're espousing some errant views.
Women are not supposed to teach in an assembly.
My wife even considers it suspect when another woman is a choir leader, because that gives her a platform for speaking.
Cathy takes comfort that when she is on her death bed, her yellow lab will be there holding her hand.
I just checked the top comments to see if I needed to say it, thank you
Notice the "leader" of this church is a woman. . . explains it all. . .
A lesbian one at that.
dude, you fear women because you're an ugly shrimp-dicked fat faggot with zero charisma and zero money. it's not their fault you're a fucking crybaby loser who smells like dick cheese. you don't respect yourself, so no one else has to.
Ohhh how cute. . . I remember when I learned how to use swear words to. . . Good for you. . .
You going to call me by my name to?
He's a shit dick nazi pay no attention
I generally wouldn't but one faggot called me by my government name earlier when replying to my post I thought it was interesting. . . .
Holy crap, you’re beyond retarded 🤣
You realize the petty name calling does not equate "winning" right?
All it does is expose your maturity level and where you are at spiritually.
A better way to argue is to not say anything bad, but to tear someone's argument, position, or whatever apart. That's the sign of a skilled debater. Name calling is a substitution for debate when one cannot produce the goods. Many think if they come up with a witty insult it means they "win". Unfortunately, all that see the post only see someone who couldn't debate and therefore had to resort to name calling.
Up your game sir. It is lacking. Now go ahead and call me names and make sure it's a zinger that burns like a ghost pepper. Or you could use this as a learning opportunity to try and argue with people without all the name calling and insults. It takes practice, but it actually makes you a better debater and you can get under people's skin more. People expect insults and are accustomed to them. Not insulting them and focusing on exposing the faults of their logic makes them furious.
Food to think about anyways. Have a good night.
The Bible warns gravely about women on the pulpit....
Thank you.
Or in any position of authority outside of motherhood unless God Himself has bestowed it upon them.
This demon hit the trifecta of heresy
1st Timothy 2:12, Paul said, “I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet."
Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination
Luke 22:36 Let the one whom has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.
the scary thing about Romans 1 that most people miss is that it is showing what happens to a country when God gives them over to their own desires, instead of trying to hold them back like He usually does. Eventually, through their sin and rebellion against God, they make so clear to God that they don't want Him in their lives, that He says effectively "FINE. HAVE IT YOUR WAY." And this is what happens.
What does that say about America?
Pastor CATHY? Yeah... No
Pope Karen says to get your booster, it's Jesus juice
I'd rather see two men holding guns. Someone should flip it around.
I'd rather see a man and a woman holding hands with gun in each free hand.
with 3 kids in line, all holding rifles, ready and able to defend themselves from subverters, communists, criminals, and pedophiles.
And the dog has a derringer in his collar
dog is harnessed for a sled for a browning .30 cal
3? More like 6.
Many of the founding revolutionaries would be two young to purchase firearms today.
I'd rather see two men holding guns than two men holding each other's "guns"
How about two men holding guns, and manly shaking each others hands in greeting with their free hands?
Another way of saying "go to the church down the street".
well the female pastor says as much doesn't take much to guess
And now everyone knows where the magazine Jezebel got its name from and why it's so awful.
That's why there's the concept of "mortal sin" which maps to those where God literally killed someone over them, e.g. the Sodomites.
This is t a church, it’s a community center. I’m sick of people saying “the church” and including places like this. Paul would have called them pagans.
They literally are not. They are the United church of university point. Their website features no about or info and judging by the photos it's a bunch of liberal yuppies pretending their coexist bumper sticker is a religion.
They brag about being part of the woke mob and have more colors in their congregations hair then a standard pack of Crayola lol.
They are also a part of faith action network. Which seems super sketch. No mention of God or Jesus on their website but tons of politics.
They are literally just another liberal political group that probably funnels money from stupid people into the politicians pockets.
Without having to pay tax on any of it.
I would say .... Even 'Anti-Christian' !
Jesus would tell people to own a gun in modern times
Gay woman pastor lol
They missed that part in the Bible when Jesus was flipping tables over and cracking a whip in the temple.
From the big man himself:
Luke 22:36 “He said to them, ‘But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.’”
Thats stupid af. It doesn't work if youre not biblically illiterate. The bible CLEARLY condemns homosexuals to hell AND Jesus himself said to buy two swords. If they had guns, he'd be about having two.
He essentially did. Swords were the primary weapon issued to soldiers in classical Rome, so modern Christians should all have an AR.
Go check out their website ucup.org. It's a cucked leftist church...... Very cringe.
They are the reason why people are leaving Christianity and organized religion. It sometimes turns people into the biggest fruitcakes in the name of being "good".
Look into their affiliate website https://fanwa.org/
They are a liberal political group disguised as religion.
Politics are their religion. The government their god.
Cathlynn Law. Millstone. Around. Neck…. https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%2018%3A6
Pastor “Cathryn”. All you need to know.
The first tip is Pastor Cathlynn Law. When women lead spiritual institutions, they have no time for theology, tradition or faithful practice. Instead, they want to things fun, exciting, catchy and preach their opinions as gospel truth. I bet Pastor Cathlynn Law has no idea that Jesus told the Apostles to take a sword with them to preach the good news.
The methodist church has been compromised for some time.
Matter of fact. Any church that has the star of remphan in their place of "worship?" Profiteering cults.
Pretty much. With that Sola Scriptura thing going on, pastor Cathlynn can pretty much preach whatever she wants and say the Bible tells her so.
The Methodists have lost their way. Of course it's in University Place. University town churches are often going to be bullshit.
Are you kidding? This church and the IRS are on the same team. Team Globohomo.
I'd rather see 100 ar's than a single liberal.....see I can do that too
lefties always say stupid thing like this and think they're being witty or deep. It goes to show ya, Democrat voters are democrats because they're stupid people voting the way they think smart people vote because the media told them so. They're just so cringe with the cutesy dumb sayings and the cultic chants.
cringe is pretty much their defining characteristic now it seems, sad
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Female pastor, there's the beginning of your problems.
Ah, female pastor.
Oh! Now I remember that Bible verse about when two men have guns that both of them have committed an abomination and they will surely be put to death.
Right next to "God works in mysterious ways."
Pastor cathlynn law
Well, found yer problem right der.
Pastor Cathlynn Law. There is a 56% chance she has a mental illness diagnosis.
Church of the Cornhole….yep
Well the pastor is female so that’s where the trouble begins
There's more than two guys carrying every Sunday at our church.