I thought they banned its import years ago and Monsanto started smuggling it into mexico and mixing with native corn seed. I remember watching an entire documentary on this subject specifically some 10+ years ago because Monsanto wanted to corner the market with their roundup read seeds. I remember they could identify the stalks when they grew because a huge number were deformed. Like splitting into 2 stalks unnaturally. Siamese Twin looking corn.
They modify the corn genes so that way the pesticide kills everything but the corn. So, they find genes outside of the corn family that is resistant to round up, and inject that into the corn DNA
I believe it is a roundup-resistant bacteria gene they put in the corn genes. Then douse fieldsnin pesticide roundup and you get lots of pesticides on your food, super bugs (also roundup resistant because nature can do it better than us), and worst of all the GMO technology was shooting at the hip. A decade ago they couldn't tell what genes were being affected/dominent/recessive/etc.
VOCs are compounds that have a high vapor pressure and low water solubility. Some examples are benzene, ethylene glycol, and formaldehyde. None of those contain DNA.
The person above is right. You can't insert DNA from pesticides because pesticides don't have DNA.
To be fair they had some technology in the old days that would knock your socks off. We just don't know what it is. The governmemt probably does though.
What if I told you humans have been modifying plant DNA since the 1800s?
Selecting crops for desired attributes is not "modifying plant DNA" it's choosing a particular set of DNA that produces a plant or animal that you prefer to other plants or animals created from other sets of DNA. The modification is happening through cross-breeding or hybridization not by lifting a gene sequence from some other species and inserting it into the target species.
Everyone smells the blood in the water and seek a weak resident and a declining country and they don't respect America anymore. In the first meeting with China in Anchorage Alaska, each person was allowed two minutes to speak. Blinken spoke for his two minutes and the Chinese Secretary of State bitch slapped him and spoke for 22 minutes going on about systemic racism.
Mexico is doing the same and using the Nordstream 2 bombing as their excuse and everyone is telling America to fuck off.
I agree, the world sees us right now as the mad dog in the corner, clearly dying but dangerous all the same. I attribute much of this to the Biden admin, but it has been building for years.
Mexico's Lula sees Biden as a fraud, knows the election was stolen. His attacks are on Biden and his admin, not so much on the US itself.
That Anchorage meeting started off with the US talking trash, went downhill from there. Some coverage:
NEW YORK -- The first high-level U.S.-China meeting during President Joe Biden's presidency kicked off in Anchorage, Alaska, on Thursday, with both sides trading barbs from the outset.
The icy venue is far from the only indicator that relations between the world's two largest economies are unlikely to thaw anytime soon.
With stern expressions, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, national security adviser Jake Sullivan, Chinese Politburo member Yang Jiechi and Foreign Minister Wang Yi made their opening statements, peppered with unusually blunt words.
The American side will "discuss our deep concerns with actions by China, including in Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Taiwan, cyber attacks on the United States, economic coercion of our allies," Blinken said.
"Each of these actions threaten the rules-based order that maintains global stability," he said.
Yang, in turn, slammed the U.S. for using its "military force and financial hegemony to carry out long-arm jurisdiction and suppress other countries."
"It abuses so-called notions of national security to obstruct normal trade exchanges, and incite some countries to attack China," Yang said in a speech that lasted over 10 minutes, which was later relayed in English by an interpreter.
The top Chinese official also took a jab at America's fragile democracy and its own human rights records, pointing to police brutality and systemic racism that led to mass protests in the U.S. last summer.
I think the Uniparty is loyal, or more accurately owned, by the US DS. Which in turn is aligned with Davos the Euro banking cartel that controls WEF/UN/WH/WHO/UN.
China decided to support Biden over Trump, not sure if they feel that was the right move at this point :)
CCP and WEF are both controlled by Banking Interests that are in turn run by literal Satanists out of Babylon who have been trying to destroy Christian civilization for the past 1.5 Millenia.
Multiple studies have been conducted that shows legitimate dangers of glyphosate; it affected the gut biome of bees, making them far more likely to prematurely die; it was shown to have neurological effects on roundworms in the soil; someone on reddit shared a Canadian study on how it was found in breastmilk of mothers; there was a study just this year showing the chemical biomarkers that are appearing in people's urine who have been exposed to the chemical, though people are trying to emphasize it's "occupational only", yet another study showed glyphosate in the urine of an age group, the youngest being 6 I think. Some people said that while they couldn't handle gluten products in the US they could in Europe since they banned using those pesticides.
They have a huge lobby. Even fucking Reddit is aware of how much Monsanto shills and defends glyphosate. Every time a study showing the dangers is shared every thread is flooded with glyphosate defenders.
My husband's cousin came to America from Kenya and tasted our beef. I asked him if it stayed ok and he said "it tastes like it's been dead for a long time "
I've heard of people being able to handle breads in Europe compared to the US. It's interesting. Wasn't sure if it was the techniques with how they make the flour or something else. Didn't consider glyphosate. Interesting.
Heard that about milk too from several people, where they're intolerant here but go across to France or Germany and they can drink the milk without issue.
It's a major drawback of a highly industrialized and high population country like ours, especially with how massive our country is in terms of size.
We're becoming a quantity over quality in the worst ways possible.
One of the reasons why I plan to garden. It's not perfect but it's infinitely better imo.
There are small farms around where I live with quality products but fuck man, it's expensive. I shouldn't have to bankrupt myself to avoid fucking poison.
It was like some "susbscribe to our newsletter to keep reading" plug...lol...if anyone is like me I like to just be able to read the information without hassles...not your fault fren!
I've heard of people being able to handle breads in Europe compared to the US.
I've heard this from multiple people. People who get inflammation and bloat from bread here and so don't eat it, but can consume an entire baguette in France and suffer no ill effects. Crazy!
I come from a farming family/community and rolled my eyes at all the non-gmo labeling and hysteria, but after doing more research on ALL things after covid, I’m not so sure the glyphosate sprayed on our food is actually as safe as some $cience claims.
I agree it has led to abundance of food to feed the world, but what good is it if it’s poisoning us?
We cannot feed the world without genetically modifying our plants to have more yield, and resist drought. Socialists want people to die, and they have taken advantage of the anti corporate mentality of MAGA to spread this nonsense about GMOs.
Even Reddit fucking knows the huge lobby behind Bayer/Monsanto. The shills are fucking everywhere.
Everyone who is confidently claiming that glyphosate is safe, all I'm going to say is: asbestos was first mined in America in 1858. It wasn't until 1970 when everyone collectively woke up and 1971 is when the lawsuits began. It took over 100 years for people to realize the dangers of asbestos.
Glyphosate was patented in 1964. The ramifications of longterm chemical exposure don't happen overnight. More and more studies are showing evidence to the contrary.
If anyone here truly believes that these companies give a fuck about you, the consumer, and your health, you're fucking dreaming.
His twitter account is on fire, he pointed to hypocrisy all through the Scamdemic as opposed to someone like Bill Burr who drank the kool-aid of MSNBC.
Huge Fan of the Musk and will support him when I can. I exercise outdoors almost every day, it clears the head, your right, I do need to incorporate more strength training.
edit: it's also become a major news source for me.
Dude was full on shaming the un-vaxed. I get it, the pro-vax narrative was powerful and it got a lot of smart people with their feelers instead of using their brains, but come clean about it. I would respect him more if he owned up to not using his brain.
He completely lost me with his total cucked take on race after he married Nia. The special he recorded just before GEOTUS was elected might as well have been Nia talking. "Donald Trump, what a racist! Amirite?" No Billy, that's Nia's bullshit coming out of your mouth.
Does desktop show downvotes? Always curious about these comments. Even if you see it, why do you care about people who disagree? 99% of the people here are on the right page. It's a better echo chamber than reddit.
You can see downvotes on mobile. Just click the three dots and one of the options is score breakdown. You might have to scroll down a half inch or so if it's hidden.
It technically is, but not the same way Monsanto et al does. Slow, safe changes over generations, instead of just splicing in genes and hoping for the best.
We really need a better term for Frankenstein foods than "gmo". It's too easy for big ag shills to muddy the waters and conflate their garbage with careful breeding.
That is not what GMO is, GMO is gene splicing, a new tech. It introduces into the genetic makeup of the plant characteristic foreign to the plant. In the case of GMO it introduces chemicals that are also in pesticides, it travels from the plant into the soil.
It destroys the soil over time, takes forever to remove and the pollen from the GMO plant infects non GMO plants in the area. The gene spliced into corn by Monsanto is the chemical used in Roundup.
By selectively gene splicing via crisper. Only retards like you lump that in with selective breeding as a way to win your arguments. You cannot breed a spider with a goat, you cannot breed plants that are so immune to roundup that you can spray it on them by the tankerful.
Go ahead, drink some roundup since you love it so much.
Herbicides were never approved for human consumption because it was never believed anyone would be dumb enough to spray them directly on the plant. Your bosses back doored it into the food supply without a whimper from the public by spreading bullshit like you are doing here.
After reading about glyphosate and the fucked up concentrated effort they make to convince everyone it's safe in the face of many disturbing studies, I'm convinced it definitely isn't.
Can't believe Monsanto shills made their way over here too damn
It's because "GMO" has become a loaded term, I guess, and people don't want to consider what happens or don't have the time to look into what is essentially dystopian gene locks on seeds -- or at least the precursor thereof, where seeds will only grow in the soil with the correct code, and where the soil will only grow the seeds with the correct code.
American food supply is totally fucked. I've been living in europe for past 8 months and my wife who had a terrible gluten issue back home. Here she eats bread, pasta, pasteries, pizza, whatever and no problems whatsoever.
Assuming you didn't change your eating habits, I bet you both also lost a fair bit of weight over there. Many such cases, and also cases of visiting foreigners gaining weight on American food without changing how much they eat. Like you said, our food supply is fucked.
We need to end our centralized planning of cities and suburbs first. Slash the subsidy for roads and allow mixed use. Really just scrap zoning altogether.
Oh you're correct. Commies and fascists can definitely team up but sometimes they start fighting like trailer park trash. They're on the same team but want to feel the most important sometimes.
There are some people in this thread claiming that there is no difference between selective breeding and GMOs. But this is not true.
Selective breeding is humans guiding natural reproductive processes to achieve a desired outcome.
This includes choosing only the best specimens of a plant or animal in each generation to breed. It also includes crossing different varieties or breeds within the same species (or less often, a very closely related species, such as dogs and wolves) to try to achieve a specific trait or traits.
Over enough generations, an organism can be greatly altered - think of all of the dog breeds, and how different a Chihuahua is from a wolf!
But the key is that selective breeding uses only natural reproductive processes.
GMOs (genetically modified organisms) are made using gene splicing or other genetic engineering techniques to introduce genes from an unrelated species into a plant or animal. This achieves results that CANNOT be obtained through natural reproductive processes.
For an animal example of a GMO, if you go to a pet store you will probably see GloFish. These are aquarium fish that have had jellyfish genes inserted into them so they glow under UV light. I hate to use Wikipedia as a source, but they do explain it well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GloFish
Once the jellyfish genes were inserted and the original GloFish were created, the GloFish were allowed to reproduce, and they passed on the jellyfish genes to their offspring. So their descendants also glow.
A plant example of a GMO is insect-resistant corn, in which selected genes from the bacteria Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) were inserted into corn. Bt bacteria are a soil bacteria that produce a protein which is poisonous to caterpillars and some other plant-feeding insects. Introducing the Bt genes into corn caused the corn to make the insect-poisoning protein and kill insects that try to feed on the corn.
The Bt genes in the insect-resistant corn pass on to offspring when insect-resistant corn is allowed to reproduce.
There are several other GMO plants and animals in existence and more are on the way - the article I linked contains more examples. Some are in use commercially and others are in the development or approval process.
I am not anti-GMO across the board. Genetic engineering is a set of tools that can be used for good or ill.
I just want GMOs to be carefully tested before coming to market, and I am worried that this isn't really being done in all cases, because of all of the rampant corruption in government and big corporations.
After all, they told us that the COVID vaccines were "safe and effective," right?
I am also concerned about the increasing use of glyphosate, aka RoundUp, in conventional agriculture, which is increasing the amount of RoundUp residue detectable in food. "RoundUp Ready" corn is part of the reason for this increase. (There are other major contributors to RoundIUp residues in Americans' diets, such as the use of RoundUp for pre-harvest drying of other conventionally grown crops such as wheat, oat, soybeans, beets, etc.)
But in some cases, GMOs could potentially save lives - like the "golden rice" that provides beta carotene. This could save many lives in areas such as South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa where traditional diets are low in vitamin A.
Also, the use of gene-splicing technology may be what ends up saving the US citrus industry from collapse due to citrus greening.
I don't understand why you seem so angry at me for expressing my opinion. And you're making assumptions about my viewpoint again. For example, I am also against irradiating food.
But food irradiation is a non-sequitur, because irradiating food is about slowing bacterial growth post-harvest...
...unless you're talking about blasting plants with radiation to increase mutations for selective breeding purposes?
That practice is rapidly falling by the wayside, because gene editing is replacing it. Why mess with all of the trial and error of selective breeding (with or without radiation) if you can just edit in the plant genes directly?
So, for example, instead of breeding two different tomatoes together then growing out and evaluating hundreds of offspring, scientists are now simply splicing in genes for the desired combination of traits into a tomato plant cell. Then that cell it is propagated into plants, which are evaluated to be sure they perform as expected. This almost completely eliminates the trial and error of selective breeding and greatly speeds the development of new plant varieties.
However, development of new plant varieties by gene editing is currently limited by the extent to which scientists understand the functions of each species' genes, including how genes interact with each other and what causes them to be expressed (or not) during the plant's life. There is a massive amount of gene sequencing and study going on in agribusinesses right now to build that store of knowledge.
(As far as I know, scientists aren't yet gene-splicing food animals this way. But that day is coming soon, I am sure.)
Admittedly, this use of technology to replace traditional selective breeding is blurring the definition of GMOs. Food plants derived from within-species gene editing are simply expressing combinations of traits that could have occurred through natural reproduction. But those combinations were put together via gene editing. So are the resulting plants GMOs or not? And if those gene-edited plant varieties are grown using organic techniques, should their crops be considered organic? People are arguing about that now.
Speaking of organics, you're completely right that one of the reasons they are more expensive is lower yields. The other reason is marketing hype.
Another thing I have to consider is that organic foods DO have pesticide residues - they are just from organic pesticides and some organic pesticides are just as toxic as the conventional ones. (Mother Nature has plenty of ways to kill people, too!) But organic foods should at least be free of glyphosate, which I would like to limit in my diet.
So I am choosing to buy more organic foods, but I am focusing on the crops that are most likely to have large amounts of pesticide or RoundUp residues.
In the end, if you really want to be sure what is (and isn't) in your food, you pretty much have to grow your own. I am working on that, too.
This is almost a nothing burger in the hype sense.
For Mexicans, maze is a cultural staple and symbolic. They grow many varieties of corn that look and taste different from one another. Farmers there have been rejecting GMO for decades because they feel its an attack on their cultural purity and traditions.
The Mexican Pres is basically just reaffirming what the farmers have already been doing for awhile. There's a reason way this ban is only for maze, and not for anything else.
A lot of your tomatoes and spinach and other greens will come from Mexico. You don't see them banning GMOs for that because those crops are not culturally relevant.
A huge flaw that America has is the amount of shit we let companies put into our food. People shouldn’t have to do hours of homework on the makeup of food products just so they can eat without worrying about harmful chemicals and additives. We should just be able to go to the grove store and shop for food.
Europe has passed restrictions on American processed foods and I don’t blame them. The amount of sugar in regular white bread here alone is astounding. No wonder heart disease and obesity are such an issue here
It's a fucking nightmare. Fresh fruits and vegetables which should be healthy aren't. It makes being healthy virtually impossible when you take into account of all these things.
I have digestive issues and glyphosate seems to really fuck with the digestive system, causing other systemic problems. It's fucked.
I'd rather live in this country but I hate how much shit is in our food. I've already decided wherever we live next I'm installing a reverse osmosis filter. I don't trust anything anymore.
Ever notice how other nations ban all the poisons we are allowed to eat? Just take nitrates and nitrites as an example. They have been proven to be extremely carcinogenic toxins and they are in nearly every kind of luncheon meat, every hot dog and nearly all bacon. Meat that contain these poisons can not be sold in the EU.
Honest question, can you get legit gmo free corn seeds? Or any seeds for that matter? I’m pretty sure mine are since I make sure they’re not labeled and get them from the local family owned hardware store, but who fuckin knows
Asking for proof that something is safe is difficult because there is generally not enough data points to establish how it comes to any other behavior.
To even establish those data points you must allow people the ability to be free and make free decisions. Some must eat non-GMO corn and some must eat GMO corn. GMO corn and other mass producible long-lasting food products can help with preventing hunger. At the same time, I won’t say that there isn’t risk in something new, so my position is let people be able to make the choice.
Force labeling of GMOs not just stating it has none.
I suppose force is the wrong term… I mean it in the sense that if companies that use GMOs don’t label them as GMOs they are being dishonest and there ought to be a cost to that. I believe that market participants should use go against companies who do such and encourage them to label by causing a social stink over those who don’t.
I don’t intend on using a barrel of a gun for this situation, because I feel it is excessive when just social outcry would be enough.
Yes, I agree that random mutations formulated corn and that corn is unsafe, but random mutations also occurred to give humanity the ability to fight off whatever corn would throw at us.
The question is one of speed of mutation and GMOs are significantly faster which gives us humans worry. Technology evolves faster than our human understanding and for that reason, I want people to know the difference between GMO and non-GMO and for people to encourage companies to give us that information.
Isn't it amazing that countries like Russia and Mexico are looking out for their own country and people far more than the shit show we currently have running things.
Those of you who want to know how Monsanto operates should view the documentaries "The world according to Monsanto", "Into the weeds", "the Monsanto papers" and "David vs monsanto". Monsanto whose corporate goal is to control the world's food supply is now owned by the same Bayer of Nazi Germany and which put HIV in pills and sold them around the world.
These studies are getting a bit trickier to find. This study cites a lot of other great studies on how our food supply is responsible for many illnesses.
You're conflating the multi-millennia old safe and proven technology of selective breeding with forcibly splicing in new genes in a laboratory and paying lobbyists to bribe congress to classify it safe for human consumption.
Only according to retards like you. It's not actually the definition at all, but you can just keep sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending there is no difference between crisper and selective breeding. It's establishment science bigot!
I thought they banned its import years ago and Monsanto started smuggling it into mexico and mixing with native corn seed. I remember watching an entire documentary on this subject specifically some 10+ years ago because Monsanto wanted to corner the market with their roundup read seeds. I remember they could identify the stalks when they grew because a huge number were deformed. Like splitting into 2 stalks unnaturally. Siamese Twin looking corn.
Yes I remember it being banned, Mexico has really ancient varieties of corn that the Inca developed, they want nothing to damage that legacy
The Inca genetically modified corn, it just took 100s of years instead of what we’re doing with modern technology.
This is not the same tech at all, this tech was not available in their time.
GMO introduces a gene that is not from another variety of corn as the Incas did, it introduces a gene from a pesticide. BIG difference.
You can’t insert genes from a pesticide, pesticides don’t have DNA
They insert genetics from another plant fish or animal that works in concert with a specific pesticide
They modify the corn genes so that way the pesticide kills everything but the corn. So, they find genes outside of the corn family that is resistant to round up, and inject that into the corn DNA
I believe it is a roundup-resistant bacteria gene they put in the corn genes. Then douse fieldsnin pesticide roundup and you get lots of pesticides on your food, super bugs (also roundup resistant because nature can do it better than us), and worst of all the GMO technology was shooting at the hip. A decade ago they couldn't tell what genes were being affected/dominent/recessive/etc.
There are organic coupounds used in lots of chemicals, usually marked as VOCs as volitile organic compounds.
VOCs are compounds that have a high vapor pressure and low water solubility. Some examples are benzene, ethylene glycol, and formaldehyde. None of those contain DNA.
The person above is right. You can't insert DNA from pesticides because pesticides don't have DNA.
A technicality.
GMOs are bad in ways that are both known and unknown.
On this issue Mexico has moral high ground and we are the baddies. This is indisputable.
Thank you for correcting me. The point remains, they are inserting pesticide into plant DNA.
Thats...fucked up.
"First time?"
To be fair they had some technology in the old days that would knock your socks off. We just don't know what it is. The governmemt probably does though.
Their aqueducts and farming tech were impressive, but they had no super advanced tech if they had the Spanish would have seized on it immediately IMO.
What they did have was advanced astronomy and a belief that world altering catastrophes cyclically occur. So does this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihwoIlxHI3Q&t=44s
I love that channel! Good stuff!
SuspiciousObserver has tons of great info
He does, scares me to death.
Spider genetics and other Frankenstein horseshit. I don't blame Mexico for this move. Stay away from the poison.
You don't understand the science, so you're afraid of it. What if I told you humans have been modifying plant DNA since the 1800s?
Selecting crops for desired attributes is not "modifying plant DNA" it's choosing a particular set of DNA that produces a plant or animal that you prefer to other plants or animals created from other sets of DNA. The modification is happening through cross-breeding or hybridization not by lifting a gene sequence from some other species and inserting it into the target species.
Methods don't change what is happening. DNA is being changed to produce a desired result.
Artificial selection is not the same as natural selection.
Don’t purport to be a “scientist” when you know that there is an obvious and distinct difference between the two.
If you plant some plutonium bar in a field and then check the mutation Is Natural selection?
You sound like you attended government schools. Sorry they didn't teach you very well.
Look up Gregor Mendel's experiments. He may not have known it was DNA he was manipulating, but he was doing it in the 1800s.
Selective breeding != Genetic Modification
Those are different. Monsanto has the ability to do both, Incas could only do selective breeding.
Human selection vs gene editing isn’t the same.
It kind of is. Just way faster.
No, because with selective breeding you will never be able to introduce foreign genes from a completely different organism into your crop.
Roundup Ready Inca corn lol
We have weeds that have naturally become roundup ready.
Then Monsanto sues you because your weeds took up copies of their DNA. Like getting sued by podesta after he raped you
No, they didn’t put genres from jellyfish and shit into corn
Everyone smells the blood in the water and seek a weak resident and a declining country and they don't respect America anymore. In the first meeting with China in Anchorage Alaska, each person was allowed two minutes to speak. Blinken spoke for his two minutes and the Chinese Secretary of State bitch slapped him and spoke for 22 minutes going on about systemic racism.
Mexico is doing the same and using the Nordstream 2 bombing as their excuse and everyone is telling America to fuck off.
I agree, the world sees us right now as the mad dog in the corner, clearly dying but dangerous all the same. I attribute much of this to the Biden admin, but it has been building for years.
Mexico's Lula sees Biden as a fraud, knows the election was stolen. His attacks are on Biden and his admin, not so much on the US itself.
That Anchorage meeting started off with the US talking trash, went downhill from there. Some coverage: NEW YORK -- The first high-level U.S.-China meeting during President Joe Biden's presidency kicked off in Anchorage, Alaska, on Thursday, with both sides trading barbs from the outset.
The icy venue is far from the only indicator that relations between the world's two largest economies are unlikely to thaw anytime soon.
With stern expressions, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, national security adviser Jake Sullivan, Chinese Politburo member Yang Jiechi and Foreign Minister Wang Yi made their opening statements, peppered with unusually blunt words.
The American side will "discuss our deep concerns with actions by China, including in Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Taiwan, cyber attacks on the United States, economic coercion of our allies," Blinken said.
"Each of these actions threaten the rules-based order that maintains global stability," he said.
Yang, in turn, slammed the U.S. for using its "military force and financial hegemony to carry out long-arm jurisdiction and suppress other countries."
"It abuses so-called notions of national security to obstruct normal trade exchanges, and incite some countries to attack China," Yang said in a speech that lasted over 10 minutes, which was later relayed in English by an interpreter.
The top Chinese official also took a jab at America's fragile democracy and its own human rights records, pointing to police brutality and systemic racism that led to mass protests in the U.S. last summer.
The Global Times cited senior Chinese diplomats as saying that the U.S. seriously prolonged its opening remarks, attacked China's domestic and foreign policies, and provoked disputes. "It is not at all hospitable, nor does it conform to diplomatic etiquette, toward which China responded solemnly," the state-run newspaper said in a tweet." https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Biden-s-Asia-policy/US-and-China-start-Alaska-meeting-with-blunt-words
Thanks pede. Who is the UniParty more loyal to, the CCP or WEF or are they both the same thing? Thanks for the info.
I think the Uniparty is loyal, or more accurately owned, by the US DS. Which in turn is aligned with Davos the Euro banking cartel that controls WEF/UN/WH/WHO/UN.
China decided to support Biden over Trump, not sure if they feel that was the right move at this point :)
Xi might miss Trump pretty soon because clown world has ADHD.
Yep, they sure do. And nukes.
CCP and WEF are both controlled by Banking Interests that are in turn run by literal Satanists out of Babylon who have been trying to destroy Christian civilization for the past 1.5 Millenia.
Should have thought of that 50 years ago.
Mexico did, the US, nope
I just fell down that shitfest rabbit hole.
Multiple studies have been conducted that shows legitimate dangers of glyphosate; it affected the gut biome of bees, making them far more likely to prematurely die; it was shown to have neurological effects on roundworms in the soil; someone on reddit shared a Canadian study on how it was found in breastmilk of mothers; there was a study just this year showing the chemical biomarkers that are appearing in people's urine who have been exposed to the chemical, though people are trying to emphasize it's "occupational only", yet another study showed glyphosate in the urine of an age group, the youngest being 6 I think. Some people said that while they couldn't handle gluten products in the US they could in Europe since they banned using those pesticides.
They have a huge lobby. Even fucking Reddit is aware of how much Monsanto shills and defends glyphosate. Every time a study showing the dangers is shared every thread is flooded with glyphosate defenders.
I’ve traveled a lot
Food is fresher almost everywhere else
Go have breakfast in Costa Rica or dinner at a warung in Indonesia.
Soooo much better
And these places are supposedly “poor”
My husband's cousin came to America from Kenya and tasted our beef. I asked him if it stayed ok and he said "it tastes like it's been dead for a long time "
That's aging. It's a feature, not a bug.
I've heard of people being able to handle breads in Europe compared to the US. It's interesting. Wasn't sure if it was the techniques with how they make the flour or something else. Didn't consider glyphosate. Interesting.
Heard that about milk too from several people, where they're intolerant here but go across to France or Germany and they can drink the milk without issue.
It's a major drawback of a highly industrialized and high population country like ours, especially with how massive our country is in terms of size.
We're becoming a quantity over quality in the worst ways possible.
One of the reasons why I plan to garden. It's not perfect but it's infinitely better imo.
There are small farms around where I live with quality products but fuck man, it's expensive. I shouldn't have to bankrupt myself to avoid fucking poison.
It seems like there's a lot of....discourse surrounding these claims but apparently the farmers will also spray grains post harvest.
Lmao oh hey this was shared 6 days ago: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/17032023/roundup-glyphosate-health-kids/
But this article discusses the issue I mentioned: https://www.ecowatch.com/roundup-cancer-1882187755.html
First article w/o paywall:
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Finsideclimatenews.org%2Fnews%2F17032023%2Froundup-glyphosate-health-kids%2F
Oh thanks, I didn't realize the first one had a paywall.
It was like some "susbscribe to our newsletter to keep reading" plug...lol...if anyone is like me I like to just be able to read the information without hassles...not your fault fren!
I've heard this from multiple people. People who get inflammation and bloat from bread here and so don't eat it, but can consume an entire baguette in France and suffer no ill effects. Crazy!
Or maybe the pesticides…
“Oh no, we SUCK AGAIN‼️” 👨🏻🌾
(¡ay caramba! ¡CHUPAMOS OTRA VEZ!)
I’m a farmer…this is massively untrue. This is a bad thing, I wish this site wouldn’t get sucked in by the hippie propaganda about GMOs.
Roundup is part of a complete breakfast!
I barely use roundup anymore, I have to use worse stuff now to control weeds.
I'm an organic farmer. Keep your parts per million shit away from my food, money bags.
I come from a farming family/community and rolled my eyes at all the non-gmo labeling and hysteria, but after doing more research on ALL things after covid, I’m not so sure the glyphosate sprayed on our food is actually as safe as some $cience claims.
I agree it has led to abundance of food to feed the world, but what good is it if it’s poisoning us?
Nice retort. So intelligent.
GMOs did more to combat world hunger than anyone or anything else ever.
Monsanto tell you that?
We cannot feed the world without genetically modifying our plants to have more yield, and resist drought. Socialists want people to die, and they have taken advantage of the anti corporate mentality of MAGA to spread this nonsense about GMOs.
Man this site is so fucked. I’ve got to quit coming here.
You know the Donald and win used to be a source of great information and actual discussion.
Now…it’s worse than Reddit.
Even Reddit fucking knows the huge lobby behind Bayer/Monsanto. The shills are fucking everywhere.
Everyone who is confidently claiming that glyphosate is safe, all I'm going to say is: asbestos was first mined in America in 1858. It wasn't until 1970 when everyone collectively woke up and 1971 is when the lawsuits began. It took over 100 years for people to realize the dangers of asbestos.
Glyphosate was patented in 1964. The ramifications of longterm chemical exposure don't happen overnight. More and more studies are showing evidence to the contrary.
If anyone here truly believes that these companies give a fuck about you, the consumer, and your health, you're fucking dreaming.
They are a business. They aim to make profit.
Rob Schneider is an American treasure.
His twitter account is on fire, he pointed to hypocrisy all through the Scamdemic as opposed to someone like Bill Burr who drank the kool-aid of MSNBC.
Fuck Twitter. Use that time for some fresh air and getting under a barbell
Huge Fan of the Musk and will support him when I can. I exercise outdoors almost every day, it clears the head, your right, I do need to incorporate more strength training.
edit: it's also become a major news source for me.
Bill Burr seems to keep taking little sips from the cup.
Dude was full on shaming the un-vaxed. I get it, the pro-vax narrative was powerful and it got a lot of smart people with their feelers instead of using their brains, but come clean about it. I would respect him more if he owned up to not using his brain.
He completely lost me with his total cucked take on race after he married Nia. The special he recorded just before GEOTUS was elected might as well have been Nia talking. "Donald Trump, what a racist! Amirite?" No Billy, that's Nia's bullshit coming out of your mouth.
So sad....
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And not only because of the Deuce Bigalow movies.
People seem to beat him up for Deuce Bigalow 2 but I laugh my ass off through it.
The president of Mexico is a born again Christian
Downvote from the Demon that always yeeets himself at the word "Christian", or even scarier, Jesus.
Use his name
u/ QLARP
Anaconda
Does desktop show downvotes? Always curious about these comments. Even if you see it, why do you care about people who disagree? 99% of the people here are on the right page. It's a better echo chamber than reddit.
You can see downvotes on mobile. Just click the three dots and one of the options is score breakdown. You might have to scroll down a half inch or so if it's hidden.
He's also a Commie, so.... Not sure why Rob is giving him any attention.
Is any corn non gmo?
NO. Even in remote areas of south america corn has detectable monsanto gmo strain that has cross bred with native strains.
Yes, the Inca developed strains in Mexico
The ones Inca modified with criss breeding?
The original gmo
Yes
Lol no. A thousand years ago people genetically modified grass to form corn.
Corn is one of the most pure "GMO" food products in existence
This is top tier retarded nonsense
Selective breeding for strains is not GMO
Yes it is
Don't fucking agree with me, fuckface
It absolutely 100% is
What's the difference?
Even in the Biology class I teach we make a distinction between selective breeding and genetically-modified organisms.
Then you're teaching shit wrong.
What's the distinction?
It technically is, but not the same way Monsanto et al does. Slow, safe changes over generations, instead of just splicing in genes and hoping for the best.
We really need a better term for Frankenstein foods than "gmo". It's too easy for big ag shills to muddy the waters and conflate their garbage with careful breeding.
Monsanto literally just sprays corn with round up and takes the ones that lived and then does this 50 more times
Source: I did this in college
He is fighting to keep the drug cartel headed by Monsanto out of his country.
I’d trust Mexican water before anything Monsanto is cranking out.
Show me on the doll where Monsanto raped you.
Literally all over.
Inside too. We'll be needing a diorama of our organs for this presentation.
That is not what GMO is, GMO is gene splicing, a new tech. It introduces into the genetic makeup of the plant characteristic foreign to the plant. In the case of GMO it introduces chemicals that are also in pesticides, it travels from the plant into the soil.
It destroys the soil over time, takes forever to remove and the pollen from the GMO plant infects non GMO plants in the area. The gene spliced into corn by Monsanto is the chemical used in Roundup.
No it's not. How do you think most GMO is created? Through selective breeding.
Jesus fucking Christ
By selectively gene splicing via crisper. Only retards like you lump that in with selective breeding as a way to win your arguments. You cannot breed a spider with a goat, you cannot breed plants that are so immune to roundup that you can spray it on them by the tankerful.
Go ahead, drink some roundup since you love it so much.
Herbicides were never approved for human consumption because it was never believed anyone would be dumb enough to spray them directly on the plant. Your bosses back doored it into the food supply without a whimper from the public by spreading bullshit like you are doing here.
After reading about glyphosate and the fucked up concentrated effort they make to convince everyone it's safe in the face of many disturbing studies, I'm convinced it definitely isn't.
Can't believe Monsanto shills made their way over here too damn
It's because "GMO" has become a loaded term, I guess, and people don't want to consider what happens or don't have the time to look into what is essentially dystopian gene locks on seeds -- or at least the precursor thereof, where seeds will only grow in the soil with the correct code, and where the soil will only grow the seeds with the correct code.
Roundup is one of the most thoroughly studied substances on earth. It's incredibly safe.
Poisoning Americans is super profitable, so no place online is safe from Monsanto shills.
Crisper came out way after gmos
How did they originally do it?
The first GMO was made in the 1970’s
We have top tier autists here.
Let them be retarded.
American food supply is totally fucked. I've been living in europe for past 8 months and my wife who had a terrible gluten issue back home. Here she eats bread, pasta, pasteries, pizza, whatever and no problems whatsoever.
Assuming you didn't change your eating habits, I bet you both also lost a fair bit of weight over there. Many such cases, and also cases of visiting foreigners gaining weight on American food without changing how much they eat. Like you said, our food supply is fucked.
That and we walk everywhere now. Definitely more fit just do to that alone.
We need to end our centralized planning of cities and suburbs first. Slash the subsidy for roads and allow mixed use. Really just scrap zoning altogether.
Yup we pump corn syrup and other BS into all of our food.
Spend some time and look into it. American wheat and the way we produce it is detrimental to health
Retarded faggot propaganda.
Great argument. You sure you're on the right website?
Damn. Even Mexico's communist president is better than our communist rezident.
It's more like how the Molotov Ribbentrop pact ended up. Allies for a while but socialists can't actually trust each other so...
Wasn't there a story the other day that he was a cartel backed communist or am I misremembering?
Oh you're correct. Commies and fascists can definitely team up but sometimes they start fighting like trailer park trash. They're on the same team but want to feel the most important sometimes.
He's nationalizing our holdings down there.
Even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut.
There are some people in this thread claiming that there is no difference between selective breeding and GMOs. But this is not true.
Selective breeding is humans guiding natural reproductive processes to achieve a desired outcome.
This includes choosing only the best specimens of a plant or animal in each generation to breed. It also includes crossing different varieties or breeds within the same species (or less often, a very closely related species, such as dogs and wolves) to try to achieve a specific trait or traits.
Over enough generations, an organism can be greatly altered - think of all of the dog breeds, and how different a Chihuahua is from a wolf!
But the key is that selective breeding uses only natural reproductive processes.
GMOs (genetically modified organisms) are made using gene splicing or other genetic engineering techniques to introduce genes from an unrelated species into a plant or animal. This achieves results that CANNOT be obtained through natural reproductive processes.
Here is an article explaining GMOs: https://extension.colostate.edu/topic-areas/agriculture/genetically-modified-gm-crops-techniques-and-applications-0-710/ Note that this article is from a pro-GMO source.
For an animal example of a GMO, if you go to a pet store you will probably see GloFish. These are aquarium fish that have had jellyfish genes inserted into them so they glow under UV light. I hate to use Wikipedia as a source, but they do explain it well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GloFish
Once the jellyfish genes were inserted and the original GloFish were created, the GloFish were allowed to reproduce, and they passed on the jellyfish genes to their offspring. So their descendants also glow.
A plant example of a GMO is insect-resistant corn, in which selected genes from the bacteria Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) were inserted into corn. Bt bacteria are a soil bacteria that produce a protein which is poisonous to caterpillars and some other plant-feeding insects. Introducing the Bt genes into corn caused the corn to make the insect-poisoning protein and kill insects that try to feed on the corn.
The Bt genes in the insect-resistant corn pass on to offspring when insect-resistant corn is allowed to reproduce.
There are several other GMO plants and animals in existence and more are on the way - the article I linked contains more examples. Some are in use commercially and others are in the development or approval process.
I am not anti-GMO across the board. Genetic engineering is a set of tools that can be used for good or ill.
I just want GMOs to be carefully tested before coming to market, and I am worried that this isn't really being done in all cases, because of all of the rampant corruption in government and big corporations.
After all, they told us that the COVID vaccines were "safe and effective," right?
I am also concerned about the increasing use of glyphosate, aka RoundUp, in conventional agriculture, which is increasing the amount of RoundUp residue detectable in food. "RoundUp Ready" corn is part of the reason for this increase. (There are other major contributors to RoundIUp residues in Americans' diets, such as the use of RoundUp for pre-harvest drying of other conventionally grown crops such as wheat, oat, soybeans, beets, etc.)
But in some cases, GMOs could potentially save lives - like the "golden rice" that provides beta carotene. This could save many lives in areas such as South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa where traditional diets are low in vitamin A.
Also, the use of gene-splicing technology may be what ends up saving the US citrus industry from collapse due to citrus greening.
I don't understand why you seem so angry at me for expressing my opinion. And you're making assumptions about my viewpoint again. For example, I am also against irradiating food.
But food irradiation is a non-sequitur, because irradiating food is about slowing bacterial growth post-harvest...
...unless you're talking about blasting plants with radiation to increase mutations for selective breeding purposes?
That practice is rapidly falling by the wayside, because gene editing is replacing it. Why mess with all of the trial and error of selective breeding (with or without radiation) if you can just edit in the plant genes directly?
So, for example, instead of breeding two different tomatoes together then growing out and evaluating hundreds of offspring, scientists are now simply splicing in genes for the desired combination of traits into a tomato plant cell. Then that cell it is propagated into plants, which are evaluated to be sure they perform as expected. This almost completely eliminates the trial and error of selective breeding and greatly speeds the development of new plant varieties.
However, development of new plant varieties by gene editing is currently limited by the extent to which scientists understand the functions of each species' genes, including how genes interact with each other and what causes them to be expressed (or not) during the plant's life. There is a massive amount of gene sequencing and study going on in agribusinesses right now to build that store of knowledge.
(As far as I know, scientists aren't yet gene-splicing food animals this way. But that day is coming soon, I am sure.)
Admittedly, this use of technology to replace traditional selective breeding is blurring the definition of GMOs. Food plants derived from within-species gene editing are simply expressing combinations of traits that could have occurred through natural reproduction. But those combinations were put together via gene editing. So are the resulting plants GMOs or not? And if those gene-edited plant varieties are grown using organic techniques, should their crops be considered organic? People are arguing about that now.
Speaking of organics, you're completely right that one of the reasons they are more expensive is lower yields. The other reason is marketing hype.
Another thing I have to consider is that organic foods DO have pesticide residues - they are just from organic pesticides and some organic pesticides are just as toxic as the conventional ones. (Mother Nature has plenty of ways to kill people, too!) But organic foods should at least be free of glyphosate, which I would like to limit in my diet.
So I am choosing to buy more organic foods, but I am focusing on the crops that are most likely to have large amounts of pesticide or RoundUp residues.
In the end, if you really want to be sure what is (and isn't) in your food, you pretty much have to grow your own. I am working on that, too.
I literally said that I am not against all GMOs and that some of them have the promise to save lives and industries.
If you're going to twist my words by saying things like "you want the tech to be frozen in place," then there's no point in me talking to you further.
You don't know the effects of GMO. At all.
You're a fucking liar and every bit as disingenuous as any commie that ever lived.
Don't evenpretend there's any similarity. At all.
You're an idiot. NEVER tell someone else what they think unless you're trying to be wrong.
You? You're habitually wrong without even trying. Not only are you too stupid to live, you're a dishonest piece of shit. You shouldn't be allowed air.
They've actually been doing this for a long time.
This is almost a nothing burger in the hype sense.
For Mexicans, maze is a cultural staple and symbolic. They grow many varieties of corn that look and taste different from one another. Farmers there have been rejecting GMO for decades because they feel its an attack on their cultural purity and traditions.
The Mexican Pres is basically just reaffirming what the farmers have already been doing for awhile. There's a reason way this ban is only for maze, and not for anything else.
A lot of your tomatoes and spinach and other greens will come from Mexico. You don't see them banning GMOs for that because those crops are not culturally relevant.
O no what of Popeye!?!
A huge flaw that America has is the amount of shit we let companies put into our food. People shouldn’t have to do hours of homework on the makeup of food products just so they can eat without worrying about harmful chemicals and additives. We should just be able to go to the grove store and shop for food.
Europe has passed restrictions on American processed foods and I don’t blame them. The amount of sugar in regular white bread here alone is astounding. No wonder heart disease and obesity are such an issue here
It's a fucking nightmare. Fresh fruits and vegetables which should be healthy aren't. It makes being healthy virtually impossible when you take into account of all these things.
I have digestive issues and glyphosate seems to really fuck with the digestive system, causing other systemic problems. It's fucked.
I'd rather live in this country but I hate how much shit is in our food. I've already decided wherever we live next I'm installing a reverse osmosis filter. I don't trust anything anymore.
Ever notice how other nations ban all the poisons we are allowed to eat? Just take nitrates and nitrites as an example. They have been proven to be extremely carcinogenic toxins and they are in nearly every kind of luncheon meat, every hot dog and nearly all bacon. Meat that contain these poisons can not be sold in the EU.
Cured meat can be labeled "Organic, nitrate free" by simply using celery powder which contains nitrates.
Do they sell celery in the EU? If so, they allow nitrates.
Mexico: Bastion of Health!
Mexican water causes dehydration
So much corn is turned into ethanol that US corn is overpriced anyway
African governments won't accept gmo because they are paid not to accept gmo.
Mother's have zero to do with it.
Wait..... food is safer to eat in Mexico?
Mexican Coke has real sugar not corn syrup
I drink one or two a week
This is REALLY BAD for our farmers.
Exactly. Farm country is gonna crash.
No worries. They’ll just turn it into ethanol and mandate we use more of it to ruin our cars and trucks.
Honest question, can you get legit gmo free corn seeds? Or any seeds for that matter? I’m pretty sure mine are since I make sure they’re not labeled and get them from the local family owned hardware store, but who fuckin knows
"My people call it maize." - most forgotten and random robin williams quote ever
I remember this. Was it for Mazola cooking oil?
As kids we used to run around screaming this.
It was in a movie- Maybe patch adams. Or maybe it was just part of a standup. Cannot remember. I think it was in the mid 80s.
Asking for proof that something is safe is difficult because there is generally not enough data points to establish how it comes to any other behavior.
To even establish those data points you must allow people the ability to be free and make free decisions. Some must eat non-GMO corn and some must eat GMO corn. GMO corn and other mass producible long-lasting food products can help with preventing hunger. At the same time, I won’t say that there isn’t risk in something new, so my position is let people be able to make the choice.
Force labeling of GMOs not just stating it has none.
I suppose force is the wrong term… I mean it in the sense that if companies that use GMOs don’t label them as GMOs they are being dishonest and there ought to be a cost to that. I believe that market participants should use go against companies who do such and encourage them to label by causing a social stink over those who don’t.
I don’t intend on using a barrel of a gun for this situation, because I feel it is excessive when just social outcry would be enough.
Yes, I agree that random mutations formulated corn and that corn is unsafe, but random mutations also occurred to give humanity the ability to fight off whatever corn would throw at us.
The question is one of speed of mutation and GMOs are significantly faster which gives us humans worry. Technology evolves faster than our human understanding and for that reason, I want people to know the difference between GMO and non-GMO and for people to encourage companies to give us that information.
Isn't it amazing that countries like Russia and Mexico are looking out for their own country and people far more than the shit show we currently have running things.
Eek
Microwaved by the snuke?. Hahaha
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Those of you who want to know how Monsanto operates should view the documentaries "The world according to Monsanto", "Into the weeds", "the Monsanto papers" and "David vs monsanto". Monsanto whose corporate goal is to control the world's food supply is now owned by the same Bayer of Nazi Germany and which put HIV in pills and sold them around the world.
These studies are getting a bit trickier to find. This study cites a lot of other great studies on how our food supply is responsible for many illnesses.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6777643/
Hit them in the wallet!
THIS.
Rob Schneider for Trumps Press Secretaty......
gmo corn leads to cancer
Retarded faggot leftie talking point.
imagine being a cuck who gobbles down the garbage
Sigh
All corn is GMO. Corn isn't naturally occurring.
You're conflating the multi-millennia old safe and proven technology of selective breeding with forcibly splicing in new genes in a laboratory and paying lobbyists to bribe congress to classify it safe for human consumption.
Neither are humans.
God created humans.
God didn't create corn. Humans did. That's the definition of GMO
Only according to retards like you. It's not actually the definition at all, but you can just keep sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending there is no difference between crisper and selective breeding. It's establishment science bigot!
Well yeah. Modern American food is designed to make you sick to prop up big pharma and then slowly kill you.
Roundup is in everything. It’s probably the cause of all the autism. Monsanto is just like Pfizer pushing poison on everyone.
The mouse studies on GMO corn / glyphosate are nightmare fuel. Tumors galore.
Thought it was muchas.
Hopefully he bans the gay syrup too.
Americans would be 500% less spherical if that poison was banned and replaced with natural sugar.