I just swapped out my SCLB 05 Silverado with a new tuned LS, cammed, heads, high # injectors, headers, intake, exhaust, mid travel suspension, 33's. Never had so much fun driving this thing around! I test drove a bunch of new trucks recently and they ARE nice, but they do lack character
I didn't do anything like what you guys did, but I did just swap my engine in my 2006 Chevy Colorado. Nothing major--just a basic reman with multiple new components after the older engine had all sorts of major problems. Best decision I ever made. It cost me $10k to do, which sucked, but it also came with a 3-year / 100k warranty. I wouldn't normally do something like this, but given the frame is looking good--and now, undercoated--and given used vehicle prices in my area, it was a good move and I'm happy I did it.
The best used truck I found in my area was a 2016 Silverado that had about 175k miles being sold as-is for $17k. I didn't look at it in person, but I'd bet everything I have that it was probably rusted to hell and had a bad CarFax.
You were right, though, about cars getting older...
I've spoken to a few shops in my area (Indiana) that I get things done through with one being the guys at the smaller shop who did my engine swap to my truck and the other shop being the dealership in my area that I take my car to, and people from both places have all said that they're doing more engine swaps now. The assumption was that people are trying to hang on to the vehicles they have now instead of allowing market forces to dictate their purchases. The writing on the wall is that people are fed up with the ongoing costs of newer vehicles--which is also evident by the fact that dealerships themselves are pushing radio and written ads about wanting to buy your older vehicles--but that many people also aren't digging this new EV push, either, and all the expenses that comes with.
Wild times, man... I think we need to get back to basics.
I drive a 2005 GMC Sierra Z71. I bought it new in 2005 and fully intend to drive it the rest of my life. I'm also trying to convince a friend to sell me the '68 Chevy C-10 his father left him. I would like to replace the 6 cylinder that's in it now with a normally aspirated LT-1.
There is no turbo 4 in an F-150. There is however a couple of flavors of twin turbo 6, which will last as long as you don't follow the recommended maintenance schedule.
I've got friends who won't put anything in the bed of their trucks that might scratch the paint. My truck has been used to haul rocks, firewood, lumber, sand, deer corn, stands and feeders, and everything else needed to build and remodel the houses we have owned since 2005. Next month I'll be hauling three tons of stone for a wall in 1,000lb increments.
I only buy used, I maintain the vehicles, and (except for the ones I keep as toys) I drive until their value drops below whatever the final repair would cost after there’s some sort of mechanical issue.
Makes no sense to me to pay new car prices even though I could afford to do so.
Same for me. I tell my wife all the time I could give a shit what people think about my 2005 qx56. It has 300k on it and outside of regular maintenence only had to change a starter once. We could buy pretty much anything we wanted but fuck that.
I don't think I want to be friends with anyone who would respect a new shiny piece of shit over the fact that I've kept this thing going to 300k. It's still going strong and now I'm determined to hit the 500k mark.
Ran into a guy a few months back that has a 1mil mile 30yr old Ford truck. Mad respect to that hombre.
Not the first time a domestic car company or even ford for that matter has made terrible business decisions. They're so out of tune with their target market.
Took a pic of a ford lighting truck w/ a bed mounted diesel fuel tank. Was filling up w/ diesel. Did not post the pic because was unsure about privacy/consent issue.
Took place while I was purchasing a blend of benzene, ethylene and toluene for my f-150.
The only reason Ford didn’t go bankrupt is they hired a CEO from Boeing who knew shit was gonna hit the fan and he borrowed every nickel it was possible to borrow about two months before the credit market began imploding in 2007. It was extremely lucky. The Ford family owns all the voting stock through the Ford Foundation and if it goes BK they’re gonna be boned.
A truck selling for $110,000 is 110% - 200% the cost of many blue collar homes in Ohio. Completely absurd. I didn’t know new trucks had gone that high? I can’t justify a new truck at 28k lol. I’m just repairing a 2005 that I bought used
My thoughts exactly. Bought an Ohio home in April of 2020 for 87k with 3% interest, 3 acres, and low population density.
Im more of a Jeep person than a pickup person and i cant justify what those have skyrocketed to. A well optioned Rubicon Jeep is in the 70k range. Its absurd for something that is expected to be taken through the woods.
Good. Every state should have several small car companies. Having like five companies for the whole world is the gayest arrangement I can even think of. Break them all up into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the people.
I can order a new F250 for less than 60K, and its not a stripper model. In order to get to 100K you have to get the full liberace package F450 and every extra on the list. Most people are getting a new truck for 65k otd with decent trim packages. lets try to be a little accurate
The problem is evert viable competitor has jumped the EV gun too. So unless there is an alt they can charge what they want... also don't worry, if Ford goes under your tax dollars will bail them out
Not his fault if you can’t afford to be an elitist. Maybe next you can call him “bougie” like some commie faggot. Aspire to success, don’t denigrate it.
Ignoring the entire post and cherrypicking the most expensive example that is still below the range provided in the original post is something a vaxtard would do
I think the issue is that their most profitable trucks (the tricked out versions) are too expensive, and will lead to deteriorating margins since rates are higher, and then what are they going to do with that additional inventory, sell it at a loss?
In 2005 GMC over produced Sierra pickups. I bought a Sierra Z71 that had a sticker price around $43k for $25.6k. It had 16 miles on the odometer. Ford will sell excess inventory for a loss rather than absorbing a total loss. As will all the others.
Is this a trend that started as soon as Xiden took office? I recall GEOTUS making positive, immediate moves that saw Ford actually relocating jobs back to US soil and even opening new plants….
Or is this sort of trend something that is in the works for years and doesn’t just start or stop on short time frames? Not asking for a friend - asking for myself because I’d love to get a an understanding on these kinds of “market forces.”
I said in jest to a friend who asked me when I was going to get a new truck, that I see my future cars getting older, not newer.
RESTOMOD
I just swapped out my SCLB 05 Silverado with a new tuned LS, cammed, heads, high # injectors, headers, intake, exhaust, mid travel suspension, 33's. Never had so much fun driving this thing around! I test drove a bunch of new trucks recently and they ARE nice, but they do lack character
Nice. That LS engine line is the king of restomods. Even in stock form, it's a 300k mile engine.
But this one might be the coolest:>
https://www.motor1.com/news/452958/dodge-hellcat-redeye-hellcrate-engine/
I didn't do anything like what you guys did, but I did just swap my engine in my 2006 Chevy Colorado. Nothing major--just a basic reman with multiple new components after the older engine had all sorts of major problems. Best decision I ever made. It cost me $10k to do, which sucked, but it also came with a 3-year / 100k warranty. I wouldn't normally do something like this, but given the frame is looking good--and now, undercoated--and given used vehicle prices in my area, it was a good move and I'm happy I did it.
The best used truck I found in my area was a 2016 Silverado that had about 175k miles being sold as-is for $17k. I didn't look at it in person, but I'd bet everything I have that it was probably rusted to hell and had a bad CarFax.
Good for you.
And btw, I have NOT built a restomod or swapped an engine. The restomod is just kinda something I would like to do in retirement.
You were right, though, about cars getting older...
I've spoken to a few shops in my area (Indiana) that I get things done through with one being the guys at the smaller shop who did my engine swap to my truck and the other shop being the dealership in my area that I take my car to, and people from both places have all said that they're doing more engine swaps now. The assumption was that people are trying to hang on to the vehicles they have now instead of allowing market forces to dictate their purchases. The writing on the wall is that people are fed up with the ongoing costs of newer vehicles--which is also evident by the fact that dealerships themselves are pushing radio and written ads about wanting to buy your older vehicles--but that many people also aren't digging this new EV push, either, and all the expenses that comes with.
Wild times, man... I think we need to get back to basics.
I drive a 2005 GMC Sierra Z71. I bought it new in 2005 and fully intend to drive it the rest of my life. I'm also trying to convince a friend to sell me the '68 Chevy C-10 his father left him. I would like to replace the 6 cylinder that's in it now with a normally aspirated LT-1.
Great resto platform. Parts availability off the charts.
Check these suspension upgrade kits:
https://www.chevyhardcore.com/tech-stories/brakes-suspension/suspension-upgrades-c10-truck/
Will go nice w/ your engine selection. All aluminum radiator electric fan.
Would be a great addition for you. Good luck.
If I can get the truck I'll keep the ride height stock but it will definitely get disc brakes up front and a fuel cell to replace the gas tank.
The LT-1 will make it a hot rod by itself.
Great project.
I've also got a Dana 60 rear end in storage that might find its way under the truck.
If the project materializes you should do a youtube or alternative channel and let us follow.
I've been working on a GM 6.2 diesel for years now. Getting better with time.
For what it's worth, Ford was the only major auto company to NOT take part in the 2008 TARP bailout. They said no thanks to the Feds.
I can find F-150 XLs for under 47k.
Ford makes trucks at various price points.
All at the same shitty quality.
Now with shitty turbo 4s that will last 85k miles, tops.
There is no turbo 4 in an F-150. There is however a couple of flavors of twin turbo 6, which will last as long as you don't follow the recommended maintenance schedule.
Yes, don't.
lol yea thats why fleets who rely on their trucks not to cost them a fortune in maintenance buy Fords.
Still more than I'll pay for something I'd dump a loader bucket of gravel in.
I've got friends who won't put anything in the bed of their trucks that might scratch the paint. My truck has been used to haul rocks, firewood, lumber, sand, deer corn, stands and feeders, and everything else needed to build and remodel the houses we have owned since 2005. Next month I'll be hauling three tons of stone for a wall in 1,000lb increments.
I love my truck
Then buy used.
Or better yet, get a fucking hilux
I got a 2004 F150 with the 5.7L engine, 4x4 with less than 130k miles for $4000 in 2020.
I only buy used, I maintain the vehicles, and (except for the ones I keep as toys) I drive until their value drops below whatever the final repair would cost after there’s some sort of mechanical issue.
Makes no sense to me to pay new car prices even though I could afford to do so.
Same for me. I tell my wife all the time I could give a shit what people think about my 2005 qx56. It has 300k on it and outside of regular maintenence only had to change a starter once. We could buy pretty much anything we wanted but fuck that.
I don't think I want to be friends with anyone who would respect a new shiny piece of shit over the fact that I've kept this thing going to 300k. It's still going strong and now I'm determined to hit the 500k mark.
Ran into a guy a few months back that has a 1mil mile 30yr old Ford truck. Mad respect to that hombre.
Not the first time a domestic car company or even ford for that matter has made terrible business decisions. They're so out of tune with their target market.
They know.
They consider it a cost of doing business.
Side note>
Took a pic of a ford lighting truck w/ a bed mounted diesel fuel tank. Was filling up w/ diesel. Did not post the pic because was unsure about privacy/consent issue.
Took place while I was purchasing a blend of benzene, ethylene and toluene for my f-150.
Just dont post their license plate or faces and your fine. Public location, no rights to privacy.
There is no law in any state preventing you from posting faces or license plates in photographs taken from public locations.
Last time, Ford was the only one NOT to go bankrupt as I recall. It was Chevy & Dodge that needed the bailouts.
So Ford will get benefit of the doubt from me this time.
The only reason Ford didn’t go bankrupt is they hired a CEO from Boeing who knew shit was gonna hit the fan and he borrowed every nickel it was possible to borrow about two months before the credit market began imploding in 2007. It was extremely lucky. The Ford family owns all the voting stock through the Ford Foundation and if it goes BK they’re gonna be boned.
The Ford Foundation makes Ru Paul look like Dwight Eisenhower, fuck them.
Totally agree. Is your name an homage to Idiocracy?
yes
Neither GM nor Chrysler was bailed out, the UAW was bailed out.
A truck selling for $110,000 is 110% - 200% the cost of many blue collar homes in Ohio. Completely absurd. I didn’t know new trucks had gone that high? I can’t justify a new truck at 28k lol. I’m just repairing a 2005 that I bought used
My thoughts exactly. Bought an Ohio home in April of 2020 for 87k with 3% interest, 3 acres, and low population density.
Im more of a Jeep person than a pickup person and i cant justify what those have skyrocketed to. A well optioned Rubicon Jeep is in the 70k range. Its absurd for something that is expected to be taken through the woods.
People who are buying the 2 million dollar properties all over the country can easily afford a truck that is 1/20 the cost of their home
Good. Every state should have several small car companies. Having like five companies for the whole world is the gayest arrangement I can even think of. Break them all up into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the people.
I can order a new F250 for less than 60K, and its not a stripper model. In order to get to 100K you have to get the full liberace package F450 and every extra on the list. Most people are getting a new truck for 65k otd with decent trim packages. lets try to be a little accurate
The problem is evert viable competitor has jumped the EV gun too. So unless there is an alt they can charge what they want... also don't worry, if Ford goes under your tax dollars will bail them out
A baseline Ford 150 is going at $48K from the dealer in my area.
a not a stripper model F250 is 55-60k, this post is garbage
Prices have certainly increased, but gas powered F-150's are not 130k unless you are getting a special edition, tricked out version.
https://www.purvisford.net/new-inventory/index.htm?gvBodyStyle=Truck&model=F-150&sortBy=internetPrice%20asc
Even a new Raptor is less than 100k (before fees, taxes, etc.)
https://www.purvisford.net/new/Ford/2023-Ford-F-150-for-sale-in-Fredericksburg-ceded3870a0e0a94206bcf87a64f5f6c.htm
Saying something that costs just over 97k isn't 100k is pedantic. You are either a troll or a fart sniffing elitist.
Not his fault if you can’t afford to be an elitist. Maybe next you can call him “bougie” like some commie faggot. Aspire to success, don’t denigrate it.
Ignoring the entire post and cherrypicking the most expensive example that is still below the range provided in the original post is something a vaxtard would do
I think the issue is that their most profitable trucks (the tricked out versions) are too expensive, and will lead to deteriorating margins since rates are higher, and then what are they going to do with that additional inventory, sell it at a loss?
In 2005 GMC over produced Sierra pickups. I bought a Sierra Z71 that had a sticker price around $43k for $25.6k. It had 16 miles on the odometer. Ford will sell excess inventory for a loss rather than absorbing a total loss. As will all the others.
That is a fair argument. However, the premise of the post is that Ford trucks cost $100,000 plus
Agreed! I think the gist of what I said is what OP meant.
You forgot....Ford will lose $3B on their EV development and production division this year and doesn't expect it to be profitable "for years".
This company is being run into the ground. Nobody even wants this EV trash.
Also not sure where your numbers are coming fr.but you can get a 2023 F150 for $50k... https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/46b75df0-2e8d-4b47-9214-534528b5497d/
100k IS the cost of a home in the midwest / non-costal areas!
Finally Ford bros can stop saying "mUh bAiLoUtZ"
GD green idiots.
Quick question (maybe not a quick answer);
Is this a trend that started as soon as Xiden took office? I recall GEOTUS making positive, immediate moves that saw Ford actually relocating jobs back to US soil and even opening new plants….
Or is this sort of trend something that is in the works for years and doesn’t just start or stop on short time frames? Not asking for a friend - asking for myself because I’d love to get a an understanding on these kinds of “market forces.”
Well.... Bye...
where are you getting your numbers? I'm seeing 65K
https://shop.ford.com/inventory/f150/results?zipcode=06040&Radius=60&modeltrim=F-150_F24-XLT&Engine=5_0l_v8&Order=Distance
History repeating itself. Are we going to bailout the car manufactures?