Liberals sound like selfish spoiled teenagers who think their upper middle class lives are the worst life experience ever because their parents bought them a brand new Jeep for their 16th birthday instead of a brand new G-Wagon.
They think the parents rules are the only thing on the planet keeping them from being happy, then they leave, get addicted to drugs and sex only to live a lifetime of seeking mental health care for anxiety, depression, and addiction.
Yes, they clearly view "submission" as an equivalent to subservient or as a slave...
Most of them are also delusional in their expectations. On one hand wanting all the benefits of equality, acting slutty, profiting off their bodies, making their own money, meanwhile expecting traditional masculinity who makes more money, taller, stronger, and faithful.
Because women never need to face reality they don't have the same necessity for self-improvement, and ultimately are low value besides their looks while demanding the highest value of men.
The best is when challenged to put their "ideal man" in this app that references census data become shocked to learn that they are seeking men that might represent 0.x % of the population...
Government is not only their 'father' but becomes their 'god' too, so it makes sense that their god must be all powerful and obeyed by all disbelievers.
This was all done by design. Remove men from head of household, remove God from society. Replace it all with Big Daddy Government.
That is the Luciferian model for society. Do as thous wilt, and sure you can make up your minds about the best course of action for yourselves. That'll be great.
"Men are just trying to use you so you can beat them at their own game by using them! Sure, you'll be happy! There's always a guy a little richer, a little taller, and a little better looking just around the corner! Sign up for TikTok, Instagram, or OnlyFans now!"
I fond it funny that feminists are constantly bitching to be paid the same(or more) as men, but then refuse to date men that make the same or less than them. How exactly is that supposed to work?
The other one I've seen are women utterly disconnected from the value of money, like thinking that the average wage for men is around 500k (correct answer is ~50k).
That's the other half of the equation, boys are taught that just about every trait of masculinity they possess is a negative. That's before considering all other factors that have been feminising men,like estrogen mimicking chemicals and all.
Yes, somewhere around there, I think the median is less though...
That's the thing, so often that list of expectations and they can rarely answer what they would offer in return beyond looks.
It annoyed me so much when I'd see my guy friends buying girls drinks at the bar only for them to go back to their friends. My standard response was that except for birthdays, I don't buy drinks for girls that I haven't seen naked....mostly that would offend them enough that it would also save on time.
I've seen tradwives who think it's ok for their husbands to sleep around and live their lives as bachelors while the wives look after them. That isn't a traditional marriage, like many of us have, it's a mother and a manchild.
That's more traditional in cultures where there are harems of women, Christian values mostly did away with that perspective because in the end you have a small portion of men that wind up with the majority of women and the rest of the men become destructive.
That would be something of a fantasy until thinking through that this would mean keeping many women happy, the jealousy that can enter the thinking, etc.
Watch some Chinese period dramas - the fights between the main wife and concubines were vicious. They poisoned each other and the other women's kids to gain and maintain power within the family.
Based on what you know about women, you know that's true. I don't see how a household with multiple wives would be peaceful.
I would suspect that to be the case, at least to some degree, just considering how women will get catty with each other, talking shit about each other behind the others backs or other subtle wars of undermining... and that's speaking of a professional setting.
The closest I can relate as an anecdote was a girl I dated when younger who thought it would be hot to have a threesome.... she even brought the second woman, that was until her friend got just a bit too much attention and she hit the emergency stop button and ultimately the night ended with her bawling her eyes out.
Just another version of how perception or expectations don't line up with the reality.
Christianity “did away” with polygamy because God made Adam and Eve one man and one woman. It was by design, and biblical heroes who ignored it ended up worse for it.
If it was by convenience only then you wouldn’t need a new worldview to make it commonplace.
I wasn't sure if polygamy was actually supported in the Bible (since there are some variations of Christianity that support it), but was thinking more in the sense that other cultures have allowed men to marry multiple women as standard.
The teenage boy in me thinks "dude you could have a different woman every day of the week," where the not quite 10 years married me thinks of all the annoyances I put up with to make sure she stays reasonably happy and think about how that would multiply with every other woman added to the equation.
Phil Robertson said it well when he said something like, “If you are having some trouble connecting with the woman in your life, why would you go and start adding more women?”
You’re portraying your marriage as quite a burden, and the prospect of more women doesn’t seem to turn you off except the idea of more of the same burden. Smells weird, why did you ask her to marry you?
Christianity didn't do away with polygamy Roman inheritance law did. Christianity says clergy can't do it but it was still expected for landed farmers and construction company owners
Absolutely, not that men haven't contributed by factors that boil down to focusing on obtaining a woman rather than focusing on their life goals.
If you think about it though, if every day people were coming up to you and telling you how awesome you are for things that required no effort, after a while you would start to believe these things, even if there's no merit to that belief and would start to grow entitled based on that belief.
That does hold true, women are a lot more binary in how they rate men, like the one that was memed of the MMA fighter where the woman says "I want a guy like that" and the guy responds and she says no, and he replies that he was literally the guy in the photo.
Liberals and democrat policies have destroyed the Black Family. It was purposeful and aimed at creating a voting bloc based on government-funded program promises.
And, black people blame Donald Trump and are loyal to the government plantation.
Even though I understand it, I’ll never accept it.
One name - Rudy Freeman. Ruby (and her daughter, Shay) are representative of an entire community that manipulated the 2000 election in Georgia. GEORGIA is now a blue state in presidential elections. That's a fact.
Yes, Trump has made better in roads because of his real populist, America-First agenda, but (very sadly) you're to think it'll make an impact in 2024. The democrat plantation is in full control of the black voting bloc.
I wish it weren't true. The fact and history don't support why that continues to be the case, but that's the reality.
They’re really not man, all the pandering only got him a one percent increase in 2020 of their vote. They’re never gonna support us, stop alienating White voters, the trade off will never be worth it.
Every four years I hear about how Republicans are getting more and more black voters. They don’t. Show. Up.
If Trump had spent less time worrying about optics and worrying about black voters and all of that other shit, and focused on retaining and increasing the base that got him elected, he would not have left so many votes on the table.
When he had no strength in his response to the BLM riots ravaging our country, excuse I got from this very place, or it’s earlier incarnation anyway, was that he was minding the optics. Down voted to oblivion by people telling me he had to worry about the black vote.
Meanwhile if you are in the room with people trying to raise funds for crucial election needs and to rally people to vote, etc., you’re hearing tons of negative feedback from Trump voters who felt abandoned and neglected and like they didn’t matter to him anymore.
They didn’t give a shit about the stupid blacks, or their complaints, they cared about the wall, they cared about arresting the people that spied on our president, they cared about draining the swamp, they cared about stopping governors who were trying to destroy our country, they cared about all of the promises he made that had not been fulfilled. And you know what else they wanted? They wanted boots on the ground to put the riot down. They wanted bullets if necessary. They wanted those fucking savages, of all colors, who were destroying our nation’s history to be arrested for burning churches and businesses.
Stop worrying about the goddamn black vote. It’s never coming. Just. Fucking. Stop.
If by 'droves' you mean they went from voting 95% for democrats to voting 90% for democrats. Face it, people who rely on government handouts will never vote against leftism.
Yes and no. You’re talking about a continent that, God love them, barely had written language, and in the estimation of many experts, didn’t. No boats, no transportation, no agriculture, no real mathematics, while the rest of the world, with less time to develop, was way ahead.
Even to this day they have to invent fairytales to come up with any accomplishments for which we can today find no evidence of ever having existed. Where are these majestic cities? Where are these majestic inventions?
Why would they take their technology and their knowledge to other lands , leave them there without a trace of them being found later through any study, and then go back to Africa and not reproduce those things and then just stay there and die? Why would they do that?
Still, I think there’s nothing wrong with the natural human inclination to want to help people. But when you make them dependent on boxes falling out of airplanes you’re not really helping.
I’m not sure there is a way to help them without taking drastic steps that are, frankly, none of our business.
Desegregation of schools happened at gunpoint. The first black student to attend a all white school had 24/7 escorts by armed US Marshall's and had to attend class by herself because only one teacher would teach her.
The first black student to attend a all white school had 24/7 escorts by armed US Marshall's and had to attend class by herself because only one teacher would teach her.
At least at the University of Alabama or whatever. The first black student of the university of Michigan in comparison attended in 1853
Seems most people don't realize that racial integration already happened once, was rolled back by Democrats, and everything that's happening now is a worse attempt at repeating what our forefathers already did far more successfully.
Sounds like the classic narcissist: they always afraid of losing control so they have to micromanage everyone around them. Our society has become more narcissistic.
Leftist fragility (ie what the White fragility wokesters are projecting about).
The idea that a woman chose a lifestyle that they swore off, yet is happier for it, can't be true. Not without...er...male patriarchy brainwashing and oppression and stuff!
Leftists not liberals. These are people who come in to manipulate and corrupt something that's already established we don't have to worry about them they will breed themselves out of existence what we need to do is keep the focus on our institutions our children are schools colleges and government.
China's version tik tok is towards learning and being a good socially responsible citizen the American version is about spreading self fufulling divisiveness and hate. The cover story about American government being concerned about espionage or hacking is legitimate but really it's about this degradation of society of youth minds being corrupted and infiltrated, it's got to the point where they're doing it on their own
The great kitchen debate between Nixon and Nikita Khrushchev provoked the entirety of the commintern. Not surprisingly, the model kitchen Nixon was showing off to Krushchev as an example of the greatness of capitalism, was something the soviets could never provide their women. Apartments in the Soviet union had shared bath and toilet on each floor shared by multiple families. What we in the west had was dismissed by Soviet leadership as decadent excess. Unnecessary for a full life . Nixon, during the debate was heard telling Krushchev that we in the west like making life easy for our women. It wasn't possible in the progressive Soviet union for a family to survive on a single income.
They were loosing. They had to convince our youths that they would miss out if they didn't join the losing side.
It wasnt long after the debate that a card carrying communist activist in the states published the feminine mystique. A book decrying the evils of house wife life. She portended to be a lowly house wife who'd had a Bolshevik awakening and cast off the shackles of kitchen work to find freedom and fulfilment in a career. It was only after her death that she was revealed to have been a devout and active communist from the word go. She played a major role in convincing an entire generation of female, boomer college students that traditional marriage is not a luxury but slavery. And helped take feminism into a Marxist world view.
They were tricked into asking for it. We gave it to them and now it's our fault they're miserable.
So.... men did this to them?
Damn patriarchy, convinced women to be subservient slaves to their bosses, simultaneously robbing them of concentration on a happy home, providing her husband a peaceful oasis from his stress of his traditional roles; she'd be somewhat shielded from backstabbing office politics and other ruthlessly vicious females tossed into an arena of work and drudgery. Now she comes home late to silence; a foreign woman helper the lack luster surrogate mother to her children; her depressed husband is partially drunk. Losing himself in childish distraction of sports ball.
Secretly she begins to fantasize that it's all other people's fault, her pudgy husband, her sexist bosses, the jealous bitches around her; she ironically begins to long for some beautiful, rich, ultra Chad who knows how to treat her; a patriarchal dominant man, who sees her interests in her career as masculine and frankly unattractive; he cares nothing for her income as he is rich and even if he wasn't he knows his role is to provide.
No but the men who should’ve been leading society were asleep at the wheel when all of this happened. They saw this degenerate bullshit and said nothing about it. Did nothing about it. Results matter. Again, I’m meeting a dead horse but I don’t care. Results matter.
They were supposed to lead their wives and their daughters and they didn’t. They should’ve put a stop to this and they didn’t. They were permissive, weak and naïve. Many of them abandoned their duty all together.
It’s like blaming kids for having shitty parents. I know that sounds condescending to women, but look at their behavior over the last 70 years and tell me they don’t deserve it. They elected every shitty president that ever won.
Hell, there is a portion of the female population that regrets that females ever got the right to vote in the first place. And it’s not an insignificant portion. They know why. They know exactly what happened.
This could be extrapolated into a counter novel, the wage slave woman awakens and casts off her chains. Oh, how the salt would flow. Such a thing might even get someone arrested.
Although miracle on 34th Street does seem to follow a similar plot. Except she had already dumped her beta dud before the story started. The whole Santa clause thing was just a distraction, *wink.
I'm a history buff and I remember this. Also, when Khrushchev visited the US, he was incredibly disrespectful so many times. Throughout the whole trip, he would often point out things and mock them in front of Americans. It's no wonder that it took over 25 years for another Soviet leader (Gorbachev) to be invited to visit America.
The kitchen debate was at the American Expo in Moscow. I remember reading a funny anecdote from the expo. The event had a section showcasing American western culture and part of it had grass pens full of American horse breeds. The horses showed were American Quarters, Tennessee Walkers, Pintos, Paints, Appaloosas, Mustangs etc. Apparently, many Soviets visitors thought the patterns on some of the horse's coats were fake lol. They had never seen such elaborate markings, dots and spots on a horse and it didn't help that the American Paint Horse literally had the word "paint" in it's name.
It is our fault. Maybe not you and me, we weren’t alive, but men. Men were weak. They gave in to the bullshit. They mated with these whores. They should’ve been shamed from society but men forgot how to lead.
Then they let faggots seep into schools instead of leading.
It is our fault. Men were weak, gullible and fucking permissive.
Nope. Sorry. Dept labor list mean yearly income of a certified auto mechanic as $46,800 which means they will net 35,585 which means around 3k a month a minimum of half that will be housing, food will take out a huge chunk for himself, his wife, and three kids, insurance, cell phone, water, electricity
100,000 each (300 000) for three kids just for college.
Plus about another 80k each over 18 years in food clothes, first car, just stuff, raising them
So yeah, the DTI ratio (debt to income, pretty much means they will have to rent in a dodgy area with shitty schools)
Now this is not even considering that for a guy in 1952 the percentage of his wages that go to each thing was lesser. A single guy could work part time and afford college.
The most generic one is $47,990. And I dont trust BLS here because they are taking the median hourly wage and multiplying it by a 40 hour work week. A lot of people put in a lot of overtime, and it was absolutely standard in the 1950s for a mechanic to work 60-80 hours a week.
And that is 60-80 hours a week on a book rate. A good mechanic works 3 hours per hour.
From there, that is average, it isnt sober auto mechanics that show up to work - the kind of people that become mechanics has gotten worse while the job has gotten harder, so much more pay discrepancy.
Also mechanic isnt the same thing as auto mechanic. You are looking at the job title of 18 year old lube techs. When I think mechanic I think about guys wrenching on a 700 series CAT, or semi wrecker owner operators. 200k+ starts being pretty easy. Know what the minimum cost is to have a semi wrecker come out? $1000.
which means around 3k a month a minimum of half that will be housing
More like 700 a month is housing where I am at. Which includes water.
Electric, 50 bucks.
food, 300 a month
Insurance for what, he doesnt own shit. 40 a month for his car because its mandatory
Cell phone, budget 50 a month, one for him one for his wife.
College, in my state, is 20k for 4 years. On a 529 plan that means what 1000 a year a kid?
20k for a full ride dorm food books to I guess. Lol what a bunch of bullshit.
$700 is your rent and electric and water etc.
Are you really trying to argue that it's just as easy to do and have things in 2023 as it was in 1952? This is so idiotic is mind bending.
I'll call. Let's see where is that $700 buck total housing expense. Auto insurance is a legal requirement in most places. And it's more that $40 you buying those adds Geez you must be 13. Average rent in $1,629. Keep in mind it will need to fit a family so this is not some efficiency. If your talking about squatting in some abandoned town in the middle of nowhere you are skewing the data in bad faith.
Put up or stfu.
Tell me your fucking city you lying ass vidya playing punk ass bitch
University of Wyoming, tuition is 4k a year. Living expenses, go work at the concrete plant or something, I said paid for college not paid for beer money. Throw in dorms and it becomes 35k, 1500 for that 529 plan per year
Are you really trying to argue that it's just as easy to do and have things in 2023 as it was in 1952?
Easier.
You realize 1952 was the middle of the Korean war, followed by the recession of 53? Meanwhile during both this recession and 2008 we were desperately paying enlistment bonuses during the recession
Let's see where is that $700 buck total housing expense.
You’re going to raise kids in an 800 square-foot house? Are you out of your mind? You’re really stretching here. We’re talking about something it’s realistic for most people. I could find a house in that price range if I want to commute two hours to work. Or raise my kids in a house that is so small it’s borderline cruel. At least that house has a yard. That’s good. How many tens of thousands are going to have to go into immediate repairs for that house? I’ve never seen a house at that price they didn’t require tens upon tens of thousands of dollars in immediate repairs. I mean I’m 100% sure I can probably go even lower than you if I also looked for extreme unrealistic options. And there are still some unanswered questions in the estimates you gave him the first comment. That I just don’t believe because they’re so incredibly unrealistic. Look, again, not trying to call you a liar. If you can pull this off that’s incredibly impressive and God bless you. I mean it. I’m jealous if you are able to do this for real, that takes a level of smarts that I just don’t have. I’m not being a dick here, I’m being sincere. That’s very very impressive. Maybe it’s a lesson to me that there are ways to do things differently. Maybe I need to take a good hard look at what I’m doing and the decisions I’ve made, man, and try to see where I can cut down.
Yeah ok youre right we are all rolling in cash boomers got no breaks, everything was proportional in expenses... youre right. People are just lazy I guess why don't they go to school full time, work 80hr like you suggested pay for health insurance and the inevitable extra costs of a family with some of that sweet Bugatti money
So yeah Wyoming is cheap true, also I belive had the highest suicide rates but maybe that's Montana idk. Renting a two bedroom in Casper will be more like $1,200.
With schooling I'm going on average 4 year schooling including room and board, expensive books etc because they are needed. Not some podunk school or an online school.
Where do you live that college is 20 K for four years? That’s absurd! $50 for your electric and 700 a month for your housing? I live in a very small town without expensive houses but a one bedroom 800 square-foot home is triple that. But you’re talking about kids. Go ahead and add a bedroom. That’s another 300 on your mortgage. And I’m lowballing it! We have a very very very modest house in a modest neighborhood and 700 doesn’t even get us to unlock the door.
I don’t wanna call you a liar so I really genuinely want to know where it is you live? That’s fucking amazing. Are used to live in one of the smallest towns in deep rural Pennsylvania and 700 didn’t rent an apartment.
And you’re talking about not paying for insurance but you do realize you need insurance on more than your car. Unless you live in a ghetto you are required to pay renters insurance and have her for bed you actually owned whatever crap hole you’re spending $700 on, because then you have to pay home insurance. There’s also health insurance. If you’re sending kids to college I assume you have life insurance unless you’re a neglectful father. Because if you die they are fucked. I honestly don’t know where you’re getting these numbers from. It’s perplexing.
Where do you live that college is 20 K for four years?
University of Wyoming. We have a competently managed mineral trust which makes it the least expensive in state university in the country.
That’s absurd! $50 for your electric and 700 a month for your housing? I live in a very small town without expensive houses but a one bedroom 800 square-foot home is triple that.
There is also that for 160k which will give you a house, another as a rental and a 30x50 shop too.
And you’re talking about not paying for insurance but you do realize you need insurance on more than your car. Unless you live in a ghetto you are required to pay renters insurance and have her for bed you actually owned whatever crap hole you’re spending $700 on, because then you have to pay home insurance.
Eh, true, but home insurance for a cheap home is not that expensive
There’s also health insurance.
If you are that poor health insurance is cheap. If you arent then it isnt a concern.
If you’re sending kids to college I assume you have life insurance unless you’re a neglectful father. Because if you die they are fucked.
Social security survivor benefits and other programs replace a low income pretty well, with a high income you should have some savings too.
University of Wyoming is as far from being a representative sample as one can get. And assuming in state tuition, next level. The number of times this got copy pasted into the thread verbatim is pretty sus too.
Our immigration system wasn't constant pre 1965. It significantly changed with the emergency quota act of 1921, which put a hard cap on immigration to 3% of current population of that immigrant group per year, which cut immigration by 90% - though the limit didn't apply to Hispanics or Canadians. Then chain migration started with war brides act of 1945 and the Alien Fiancées and Fiancés Act
Do these offended women not understand that it was smart, hardworking white guys, who were their husbands and brothers and fathers at the time, that theorized, designed, prototyped, refined, then mass-produced ALL of the household electric appliances specifically with the intent to make their lives as EASY as possible?
That's pretty dumb logic. That's like saying the invention of the airplane made men lazy and now men don't know how to navigate the seas using star maps.
I do alot of house work and cooking after my wife almost died in childbirth. She's still not her normal self. And it's really hard on her to do that stuff while also recovering and taking care of our son. She's not working. But thankfully I make just enough at my job even tho I've had to take alot of time off recently to care for my family. It's frickin exhausting and non stop. But I do it because I love them. And I know she would do the same for me if I was the one who became sick or injured.
But yeah I couldn't imagine doing this if she was capable without probably resenting her and becoming angry.
Not denigrating you or your wife, but I always found it funny when women make the excuse;
Oh I can't possibly, cook or clean right now, I'm way to tired from "taking care of the kid".
What is taking care of the kid? Cooking for it, cleaning after it, showing it how not to be a lazy fuck.
Basically, I hear tons of women say that and in my opinion she is saying that she is too tired to cook can clean from all the cooking and cleaning she HASN"T done.
I might give them that excuse if it's like a super hyper toddler that runs around full speed destroying everything as they play like the terrible 2s. That does get tiring. But a couple years older those kids become way easier to watch after and it's not much physical work at all.
A true traditional wife doesn't make narcissistic sexualized TikTok videos
The US economy has been totally restructured to make it impossible for families to live off of one salary unless that person makes a 6 figure income...... 50 years ago, a blue collar worker could support a family while their wife stayed home...... So these videos are basically glorifying high earning Conservative men who were able to find a hot wife who wants to be a housewife.
These videos do nothing to address the problem of how the whole system is rigged against the traditional family.
50 years ago, a blue collar worker could support a family while their wife stayed home..
Today the average blue collar worker in my family breaks 6 figures easily. 2 break 300k as employees and that isn't counting owner operators (most of them)
Don’t take these other guys jokes too personally, I get it (my wife just happened into a large sum of money by being bought out of a lucrative venture and now stays at home with the kids while I work for a salary, although it will probably take a decade or two of continuously high earnings to make nearly the same money as she made in that one deal, so I get you)
Not enough people recognize that there are going to be more men having to deal with this, not less, as the majority of female advanced degree holders goes up and the number of men working skilled trade jobs goes down.
This isn’t even a big deal. Families work when the dynamic is right. Dad works outside the home, mom works inside the home and focuses on the kids and keeping a clean healthy environment. Dad makes the money for the food, mom cooks the food.
This is how it’s SUPPOSED to work. It’s not a mystery and it’s not weird. It’s how families have worked since we were squatting in caves.
This isn't exactly right. Medieval serfs had way fewer hours "at work" (ie, in the fields - they basically had the non-growing season off, aside from tending animals) than modern wage earners, but WAY more hours doing unpaid, difficult manual labor for day-to-day necessities (gathering water, cooking, washing clothes by hand, butchering and preparing animals, building their own homes/outbuildings, etc.).
Serfs were literally unable to move or leave town (even for a "trip") without their landlord's permission, so I don't know if I'd rank their personal freedoms especially high.
Tribal/communal life had both sexes doing things inside and out
Both sexes can do almost anything the other can, but for many activities and responsibilities, one sex is better suited than the other. For example, men are better at standing urination and voting, and women are better at complaining and making sandwiches.
My wife made a lot more than me ( and she makes more than most of you) so I shut down my business to stay home with my little kids and work side hustles - no shame in that
Cmon... maybe a little bit of shame, right? Wouldn't you prefer it the other way around, deep down?
I wish you all the best, but women become less attracted to their partner if he makes less than them, because practically speaking, you've become a babysitter and dependent on your wife, rather than protector / provider.
Your wife married a man, and she got a stay at home wife instead.
Edit: are you really vegan as your username suggests?
Rich men have a hard time raising their daughters right for a reason. I did alright but it still wasnt easy. One of my daughters has a upper 6 figure income the other was
Deep down yes but I’m not going to go through medical school just to make more than her.
Maybe that’s true sometimes but I do everything else including building and fixing the house, I build gardens, do the finances l, build stuff for the kids, built a home gym, and I still work to bring in side hustle money for investments that I research
Your blanket statement overall is right but it works really great for us.
But honestly you sound like a dickhead - my wife makes more than you and I’m a better father than you’ll ever be and my kids have an amazing life
It's good you're still doing things she isn't interested in like construction projects .
I am kind of a dick, yes, but I do understand that in today's landscape it sometimes makes sense. I'm just way too much of an adherent to natural law to not poke at someone who says there is "NO shame" in stay-at-home-husbandry.
Only from assholes like you who try to shame good fathers - you make presumptions about my household and kids and relationship with my wife that are all wrong.
In an ideal world, the man should go to work. But in certain situations you work with what you have
Would you suggest I divorce my wife and start over and only find a woman I make more than ?
Or should I go to work and she stay at home and we sell our awesome house and have our kids have a less awesome life ?
Or should I stop having sex with my wife because some cunt online told me she isn’t attracted to me ?
Honestly bro, you’re an armchair QB online. IRL you’re roleplaying some character
Furthermore, you’re only talking about the recent human history.
In an ideal world, the man doesn’t have a corporate fucking job and builds his hut with his tribe and his kids are with him and his wife 24/7 and even takes kids on adventures
Bro I'm just giving you a hard time. I give my best friend shit for the same thing lol.
It's funny. As I've said a couple times now in different ways, I'm glad yall are happy with your situation. You put an awful lot of mean words in my mouth just now, that I never said and never would say...
It’s not what I eat it’s what I don’t eat. It’s difficult to live in a world where 97% of people aren’t like you and most will shame you or guilt you for your personal choice … standing strong for your beliefs in the face of an overwhelming societal pressure is something to be proud of. Also not contributing to the suffering of sentient creatures and helping to save life and not destroy it while I’m on Earth is an admirable thing
I mean you’re significantly out earned by a woman and out fathered by a guy you’re making fun of. My wife is better than yours and I’m better than you. Enjoy being a cunt
My issues are mainly skeletal. There are three things you do to fix that - become highly muscular, increase testosterone, and eat meat.
I grew up on a cattle ranch then was navy EOD for the next 24 years followed by being a general contractor for another decade. I also did steroids during most of this. Literally the only thing I could do better is eat more meat. Well, that and wear better shoes/don't fall off 3 story buildings/don't get crushed by a half ton of equipment/don't step on landmines...
Threatening feminism might lead to longer hair, kids, a family for life, happiness, love, excellent meals, contentment. Did I get all the vices in there?
Unfortunately you’re right, but it’s a step in the right directions.
If they pretend to be traditional long enough, then perhaps the generation after them will be legitimately traditional, due to the influence at a early age.
NGL, I'm a stay at home mom with a 14 month old. We have a trad dynamic. It's fucking hard work: cooking, cleaning, running errands, caring for a garden, two dogs and a small baby is a lot to balance for 9 hours all alone 5 days a week. Not to mention it took time and trial and error to learn to cook some decent food since my mom was the strong feminist type and couldn't cook to save her life.
There are tons of cooking videos, TV shows, and blogs that show how to cook various dishes. All you need is a stock pot, a 2-3 qt pan, and a large skillet or saucier to cook a variety of foods, not a twenty piece set of expensive cookware. You can branch out from there as you get better at cooking.
I had a friend who thought that making hamburger required special expensive equipment so he never bothered to look into how to cook it.
I explained to him how easy it was to make it and then he learned he could make 4-6x as many tacos for the same price as taco bell with that hamburger.
I also told him how he can cook rice "perfectly" with a rice cooker everytime and have cheap rice. He was amazed.
I have worked in corporate America for the past 20 years. I can see unequivocally that the vast majority of career oriented women typically are rather unhappy. Usually at some point as they start getting too old, they try very hard to get a family going but at that point it’s usually too late. At that point, they typically become cougars.
Others ruined their families, and became divorced during the pursuit of worthless corporate titles.
Even the ones that remain married had to check their kids into doggy daycare. I really believe that daycare is the beginning of the end of society. It’s where kids learn that every single thing must be fair and they have to focus on their own survival and comfort to get through it.
The message is at that tender age you are alone. In order not to feel alone, they embrace whatever bullshit is being taught and they learn maladaptive coping mechanisms. Plus a lot of kids then end up on soy formula with all that estrogen because it’s too hard to pump breastmilk.
Think about how our society has changed since daycare became a thing. And you know how we know it’s really evil that they’re going after our kids? Because Democrats push free daycare as hard as they can. Preschool is now free in a lot of schools as pre-kindergarten or Headstart.
Have you read Brave New World? Where the words "father" and "mother" are considered obscene? I think the eventual goal is the complete destruction of the nuclear family. "Free" daycare and "education" are certainly steps toward that goal. It's predicated on the need for Mom to work, which often stems from societal pressure, as well as the norm of living beyond your means via debt. (an aside--I found it really fascinating to learn that the German word for "debt" is the same as their word for "guilt". Same concept to that saving culture)
What I find truly impressive about our Enemy is the ability to work over a span of generations, making slow, steady progress...
No one is left alive who was old enough to comprehend what they witnessed of that era. There is no one left alive in a position to call bullshit. The result is a contest of lies.
Somehow people today look to a modern soap opera as some sort of documentary about people in the New York advertising industry during the late 50s and early 60s. That sub culture could hardly be considered a representative sample of 'the fifties', even if its portrayal was accurate, which I'm certain it is not.
I can say this with confidence: What we have today is far more of a 'social construct' aimed at controlling and manipulating people than any of the 'roles' 'played out' by men and women back then.
Yeah 200 square miles. My daddy made some decent money in oil (teapot dome scandal related, kind of, though he didn't do anything corrupt himself), then the coal mining industry then switched to cattle
Oh no, a depiction of a woman more focused on building and maintaining the relationships with her husband and children than purely on her self gratification, how awful....
This seems more like the leftists found Chinese Tiktok as this is more on their side, all the degeneracy and commie crap is on the Western Tiktok.
A marriage is two people tag teaming against life. I don't see what's wrong with a mutual agreement to divide up the responsibilities of work, house, kids, etc etc so that both people don't feel overwhelmed like they have to both do everything in order to be considered a full person.
Do they mean that romanticized era encompassing the greatest expansion of human awareness, liberty, wealth, technology, and the sciences in the entire known history of the species? That era? I thought it was pretty cool myself.
But God forbid one of these snowflakes be denied their luxurious enslavement on my account. Be offended then. I'd like to get back to what works before we nuke ourselves out of existence. But that's just me I guess.
Staying at home, and just being in charge of cleaning, cooking, and taking care of your own kids
vs
Being locked in a cubicle, working for some guy you barely know, deadlines, writing reports, high stress, workplace backstabbing, hardly being home, and office politics.
Blacks also had intact families with stay at home moms in the 1950s, how is that racist?
"Her husband is known in the gates, where he sits with the elders of the land."
(People figure her husband must be all right, with a wife like that. A woman like that would not be with a coarse or dishonest man. And they also know she is a check on him. They admire his home.)
That woman is shown, by the author, King Solomon, as active, creative, effective, making decisions, devising strategy. She is publicly praised too, not ignored or taken for granted. But her activity is within the home. She is not leaving the home, to travel for business, or serve a public role.
It turns out that homes don't stay homes without someone really there to make them homes, as a focus. The mental aspect. A home is not a place where if you press a bar, food pellets come and there is fresh straw to sleep on. That's a jail, barn, or hospital. A home is a psychological wellspring.
People used to say that behind a successful man was the right kind of woman. That was corny but true.
I will not dignify this by using their bastard vernacular. My wife and I have equal roles, she raises our children and takes care of the home while giving us more children, I work and take care of everything around the house that I can along with raising our kids. She has never felt demeaned or less than me, her job is all the greater because of how much pressure is on her for raising our kids right. She is not traditional, she is a wife and a woman excelling in her area, she did the grind, had a job making good money, but it wasn’t what she wanted. Feminist say it’s up to woman then helped create a world that all but tries to force woman into the workforce just to make ends meet. Whatever it takes I will make sure she can stay at home and make the next generation great again.
China's version tik tok is towards learning and being a good socially responsible citizen the American version is about spreading self fufulling divisiveness and hate. The cover story about American government being concerned about espionage or hacking is legitimate but really it's about this degradation of society of youth minds being corrupted and infiltrated, it's got to the point where they're doing it on their own
Back when women upheld their end of the deal between men and women and were worthy of dedication. The majority of western women now aren't even worthy of dating seriously.
Yep, God forbid a woman is actually happy and grateful for a family and take care of them the best she can!
These days it's difficult to find a woman that's just happy. It's way too much to expect them to want to take care of the house she demanded or the kids she had or even the husband she gets all her stuff from.
Women were the power structure in the household. I don't think a single Marxist understands the power dynamic in traditional households at all....or they do and that's why they want to destroy it.
"Sexism ruled", and women were happy.
"Racism ruled", and blacks were in stable families and self-reliant.
Liberals sound like selfish spoiled teenagers who think their upper middle class lives are the worst life experience ever because their parents bought them a brand new Jeep for their 16th birthday instead of a brand new G-Wagon.
They think the parents rules are the only thing on the planet keeping them from being happy, then they leave, get addicted to drugs and sex only to live a lifetime of seeking mental health care for anxiety, depression, and addiction.
Yes, they clearly view "submission" as an equivalent to subservient or as a slave...
Most of them are also delusional in their expectations. On one hand wanting all the benefits of equality, acting slutty, profiting off their bodies, making their own money, meanwhile expecting traditional masculinity who makes more money, taller, stronger, and faithful.
Because women never need to face reality they don't have the same necessity for self-improvement, and ultimately are low value besides their looks while demanding the highest value of men.
The best is when challenged to put their "ideal man" in this app that references census data become shocked to learn that they are seeking men that might represent 0.x % of the population...
And then vote for a strong federal government with unlimited power and no accountability.
Government is not only their 'father' but becomes their 'god' too, so it makes sense that their god must be all powerful and obeyed by all disbelievers.
This was all done by design. Remove men from head of household, remove God from society. Replace it all with Big Daddy Government.
That is the Luciferian model for society. Do as thous wilt, and sure you can make up your minds about the best course of action for yourselves. That'll be great.
"Men are just trying to use you so you can beat them at their own game by using them! Sure, you'll be happy! There's always a guy a little richer, a little taller, and a little better looking just around the corner! Sign up for TikTok, Instagram, or OnlyFans now!"
"China is attacking us by resuscitating functional societal roles that make nations stronger." -some quisling's diseased mind
I fond it funny that feminists are constantly bitching to be paid the same(or more) as men, but then refuse to date men that make the same or less than them. How exactly is that supposed to work?
It works out that they die with a pile of cats.
The other one I've seen are women utterly disconnected from the value of money, like thinking that the average wage for men is around 500k (correct answer is ~50k).
I've seen those on the street interviews where they all want a guy who makes at least $300k. 0 awareness of reality
Except this women are finding men though thanks to all the weak cucks liberalism has created.
That's the other half of the equation, boys are taught that just about every trait of masculinity they possess is a negative. That's before considering all other factors that have been feminising men,like estrogen mimicking chemicals and all.
Closer to 60, but yes. Its funny, my family actually is like 400k on average and not one of my kids or grandkids wants to be with that kind of woman.
Yes, somewhere around there, I think the median is less though...
That's the thing, so often that list of expectations and they can rarely answer what they would offer in return beyond looks.
It annoyed me so much when I'd see my guy friends buying girls drinks at the bar only for them to go back to their friends. My standard response was that except for birthdays, I don't buy drinks for girls that I haven't seen naked....mostly that would offend them enough that it would also save on time.
I've seen tradwives who think it's ok for their husbands to sleep around and live their lives as bachelors while the wives look after them. That isn't a traditional marriage, like many of us have, it's a mother and a manchild.
That's more traditional in cultures where there are harems of women, Christian values mostly did away with that perspective because in the end you have a small portion of men that wind up with the majority of women and the rest of the men become destructive.
That would be something of a fantasy until thinking through that this would mean keeping many women happy, the jealousy that can enter the thinking, etc.
Watch some Chinese period dramas - the fights between the main wife and concubines were vicious. They poisoned each other and the other women's kids to gain and maintain power within the family.
Based on what you know about women, you know that's true. I don't see how a household with multiple wives would be peaceful.
I would suspect that to be the case, at least to some degree, just considering how women will get catty with each other, talking shit about each other behind the others backs or other subtle wars of undermining... and that's speaking of a professional setting.
The closest I can relate as an anecdote was a girl I dated when younger who thought it would be hot to have a threesome.... she even brought the second woman, that was until her friend got just a bit too much attention and she hit the emergency stop button and ultimately the night ended with her bawling her eyes out.
Just another version of how perception or expectations don't line up with the reality.
I hear muslims keep them in separate houses sometimes and the wives often don't know the other wives.
Is a heritage of bigamy what gave Romney his easy duplicity?
Based on the talks I had with my grandaddy, beat them.
Christianity “did away” with polygamy because God made Adam and Eve one man and one woman. It was by design, and biblical heroes who ignored it ended up worse for it.
If it was by convenience only then you wouldn’t need a new worldview to make it commonplace.
I wasn't sure if polygamy was actually supported in the Bible (since there are some variations of Christianity that support it), but was thinking more in the sense that other cultures have allowed men to marry multiple women as standard.
The teenage boy in me thinks "dude you could have a different woman every day of the week," where the not quite 10 years married me thinks of all the annoyances I put up with to make sure she stays reasonably happy and think about how that would multiply with every other woman added to the equation.
Phil Robertson said it well when he said something like, “If you are having some trouble connecting with the woman in your life, why would you go and start adding more women?”
You’re portraying your marriage as quite a burden, and the prospect of more women doesn’t seem to turn you off except the idea of more of the same burden. Smells weird, why did you ask her to marry you?
Christianity didn't do away with polygamy Roman inheritance law did. Christianity says clergy can't do it but it was still expected for landed farmers and construction company owners
Supported, not really, but not prohibited.
Christianity didn't do away with polygamy Roman inheritance law did
Rome was a moral wasteland, not the sum of human existence by any stretch, and the book of Genesis is older.
Another perversion of the truth
.... umm based?
Jk jk.
I am 80 years old and that is how my grandparents lived
"Filling an IMPORTANT role" is not "submission"....
Many women are essentially children/teenagers on an emotional/intellectual/long term thinking level.
The only real mature women I have ever met have been ones that have had "hard-scrabble" lives up to the point where they become adults.
The whole "Disney Princess culture" RUINED a LOT Of women turning them in narcissistic monsters.
Yep, college is the absolute worst place to try and meet a wife, but that’s what a lot of guys do.
Absolutely, not that men haven't contributed by factors that boil down to focusing on obtaining a woman rather than focusing on their life goals.
If you think about it though, if every day people were coming up to you and telling you how awesome you are for things that required no effort, after a while you would start to believe these things, even if there's no merit to that belief and would start to grow entitled based on that belief.
Disney present day looks back on princess culture and says 'hold my beer'
That does hold true, women are a lot more binary in how they rate men, like the one that was memed of the MMA fighter where the woman says "I want a guy like that" and the guy responds and she says no, and he replies that he was literally the guy in the photo.
Nailed it
Based on what I've read, they aren't even into sex anymore (well, straight sex) ... just drugs.
You mean like anti-depressants?
^ THIS.
Liberals and democrat policies have destroyed the Black Family. It was purposeful and aimed at creating a voting bloc based on government-funded program promises.
And, black people blame Donald Trump and are loyal to the government plantation.
Even though I understand it, I’ll never accept it.
From what I have personally seen, blacks are flocking in droves towards Trump. Don’t believe what you see on Twitter or other cancerous platforms.
My FRiend, you're deluded.
One name - Rudy Freeman. Ruby (and her daughter, Shay) are representative of an entire community that manipulated the 2000 election in Georgia. GEORGIA is now a blue state in presidential elections. That's a fact.
Yes, Trump has made better in roads because of his real populist, America-First agenda, but (very sadly) you're to think it'll make an impact in 2024. The democrat plantation is in full control of the black voting bloc.
I wish it weren't true. The fact and history don't support why that continues to be the case, but that's the reality.
They’re really not man, all the pandering only got him a one percent increase in 2020 of their vote. They’re never gonna support us, stop alienating White voters, the trade off will never be worth it.
Every four years I hear about how Republicans are getting more and more black voters. They don’t. Show. Up.
If Trump had spent less time worrying about optics and worrying about black voters and all of that other shit, and focused on retaining and increasing the base that got him elected, he would not have left so many votes on the table.
When he had no strength in his response to the BLM riots ravaging our country, excuse I got from this very place, or it’s earlier incarnation anyway, was that he was minding the optics. Down voted to oblivion by people telling me he had to worry about the black vote.
Meanwhile if you are in the room with people trying to raise funds for crucial election needs and to rally people to vote, etc., you’re hearing tons of negative feedback from Trump voters who felt abandoned and neglected and like they didn’t matter to him anymore.
They didn’t give a shit about the stupid blacks, or their complaints, they cared about the wall, they cared about arresting the people that spied on our president, they cared about draining the swamp, they cared about stopping governors who were trying to destroy our country, they cared about all of the promises he made that had not been fulfilled. And you know what else they wanted? They wanted boots on the ground to put the riot down. They wanted bullets if necessary. They wanted those fucking savages, of all colors, who were destroying our nation’s history to be arrested for burning churches and businesses.
Stop worrying about the goddamn black vote. It’s never coming. Just. Fucking. Stop.
I never said any of that, I was basing what I said based on personal observation. No need to get your panties in a wad.
If by 'droves' you mean they went from voting 95% for democrats to voting 90% for democrats. Face it, people who rely on government handouts will never vote against leftism.
Did the Democrats destroy Africa too?
Yes and no. You’re talking about a continent that, God love them, barely had written language, and in the estimation of many experts, didn’t. No boats, no transportation, no agriculture, no real mathematics, while the rest of the world, with less time to develop, was way ahead.
Even to this day they have to invent fairytales to come up with any accomplishments for which we can today find no evidence of ever having existed. Where are these majestic cities? Where are these majestic inventions?
Why would they take their technology and their knowledge to other lands , leave them there without a trace of them being found later through any study, and then go back to Africa and not reproduce those things and then just stay there and die? Why would they do that?
Still, I think there’s nothing wrong with the natural human inclination to want to help people. But when you make them dependent on boxes falling out of airplanes you’re not really helping.
I’m not sure there is a way to help them without taking drastic steps that are, frankly, none of our business.
This.
Desegregation of schools happened at gunpoint. The first black student to attend a all white school had 24/7 escorts by armed US Marshall's and had to attend class by herself because only one teacher would teach her.
At least at the University of Alabama or whatever. The first black student of the university of Michigan in comparison attended in 1853
Seems most people don't realize that racial integration already happened once, was rolled back by Democrats, and everything that's happening now is a worse attempt at repeating what our forefathers already did far more successfully.
It needs to be done merit based where people are willing to do so.
Wow. It really was just done by force. It probably was not necessary either.
Democracy
basically the dark ages 🙄
But in reality the time when America was great. (MAGA)
why do liberals feel they have the right to force anyone to live the way they demand? are they fucking nuts? ( yes, they are)
They're authoritarians. It's in their DNA.
I don’t remember who said it, but paraphrasing: if you can’t control your emotions you try to control others’ behavior.
Sounds like the classic narcissist: they always afraid of losing control so they have to micromanage everyone around them. Our society has become more narcissistic.
Whoa! Cool it with the antisemitism!
Humans basically have the same DNA. You're misattributing a spiritual warfare to a racial bias instead.
Herd Morality
Not just that they are authoritarian. That means that everyone under their "leadership" must submit to their demands.
They are also totalitarians. There can be zero tolerance for any other ways of life. ALL must submit to their demands.
Leftist fragility (ie what the White fragility wokesters are projecting about).
The idea that a woman chose a lifestyle that they swore off, yet is happier for it, can't be true. Not without...er...male patriarchy brainwashing and oppression and stuff!
Leftists not liberals. These are people who come in to manipulate and corrupt something that's already established we don't have to worry about them they will breed themselves out of existence what we need to do is keep the focus on our institutions our children are schools colleges and government.
China's version tik tok is towards learning and being a good socially responsible citizen the American version is about spreading self fufulling divisiveness and hate. The cover story about American government being concerned about espionage or hacking is legitimate but really it's about this degradation of society of youth minds being corrupted and infiltrated, it's got to the point where they're doing it on their own
ASTCO's....
1950's,
when we had unprecedented growth both economically and scientifically, a family could exist on a single income, and divorce rates were rock-bottom.
Of course it's antithetical to liberal beliefs.
Dark ages???? Thats high key racism saying dark people are bad!!!
Yeah, they'd get dragged and beaten in an alley long before they got to any library
The great kitchen debate between Nixon and Nikita Khrushchev provoked the entirety of the commintern. Not surprisingly, the model kitchen Nixon was showing off to Krushchev as an example of the greatness of capitalism, was something the soviets could never provide their women. Apartments in the Soviet union had shared bath and toilet on each floor shared by multiple families. What we in the west had was dismissed by Soviet leadership as decadent excess. Unnecessary for a full life . Nixon, during the debate was heard telling Krushchev that we in the west like making life easy for our women. It wasn't possible in the progressive Soviet union for a family to survive on a single income.
They were loosing. They had to convince our youths that they would miss out if they didn't join the losing side.
It wasnt long after the debate that a card carrying communist activist in the states published the feminine mystique. A book decrying the evils of house wife life. She portended to be a lowly house wife who'd had a Bolshevik awakening and cast off the shackles of kitchen work to find freedom and fulfilment in a career. It was only after her death that she was revealed to have been a devout and active communist from the word go. She played a major role in convincing an entire generation of female, boomer college students that traditional marriage is not a luxury but slavery. And helped take feminism into a Marxist world view.
They were tricked into asking for it. We gave it to them and now it's our fault they're miserable.
Great point. Also, Friedan wasn't her birth name.
So.... men did this to them? Damn patriarchy, convinced women to be subservient slaves to their bosses, simultaneously robbing them of concentration on a happy home, providing her husband a peaceful oasis from his stress of his traditional roles; she'd be somewhat shielded from backstabbing office politics and other ruthlessly vicious females tossed into an arena of work and drudgery. Now she comes home late to silence; a foreign woman helper the lack luster surrogate mother to her children; her depressed husband is partially drunk. Losing himself in childish distraction of sports ball. Secretly she begins to fantasize that it's all other people's fault, her pudgy husband, her sexist bosses, the jealous bitches around her; she ironically begins to long for some beautiful, rich, ultra Chad who knows how to treat her; a patriarchal dominant man, who sees her interests in her career as masculine and frankly unattractive; he cares nothing for her income as he is rich and even if he wasn't he knows his role is to provide.
No but the men who should’ve been leading society were asleep at the wheel when all of this happened. They saw this degenerate bullshit and said nothing about it. Did nothing about it. Results matter. Again, I’m meeting a dead horse but I don’t care. Results matter.
They were supposed to lead their wives and their daughters and they didn’t. They should’ve put a stop to this and they didn’t. They were permissive, weak and naïve. Many of them abandoned their duty all together.
It’s like blaming kids for having shitty parents. I know that sounds condescending to women, but look at their behavior over the last 70 years and tell me they don’t deserve it. They elected every shitty president that ever won.
Hell, there is a portion of the female population that regrets that females ever got the right to vote in the first place. And it’s not an insignificant portion. They know why. They know exactly what happened.
This could be extrapolated into a counter novel, the wage slave woman awakens and casts off her chains. Oh, how the salt would flow. Such a thing might even get someone arrested.
Although miracle on 34th Street does seem to follow a similar plot. Except she had already dumped her beta dud before the story started. The whole Santa clause thing was just a distraction, *wink.
I'm a history buff and I remember this. Also, when Khrushchev visited the US, he was incredibly disrespectful so many times. Throughout the whole trip, he would often point out things and mock them in front of Americans. It's no wonder that it took over 25 years for another Soviet leader (Gorbachev) to be invited to visit America.
The kitchen debate was at the American Expo in Moscow. I remember reading a funny anecdote from the expo. The event had a section showcasing American western culture and part of it had grass pens full of American horse breeds. The horses showed were American Quarters, Tennessee Walkers, Pintos, Paints, Appaloosas, Mustangs etc. Apparently, many Soviets visitors thought the patterns on some of the horse's coats were fake lol. They had never seen such elaborate markings, dots and spots on a horse and it didn't help that the American Paint Horse literally had the word "paint" in it's name.
We? Don't you "we" me on this one. I'm in favor of repealing the 19th. Their misery is their own making.
It is our fault. Maybe not you and me, we weren’t alive, but men. Men were weak. They gave in to the bullshit. They mated with these whores. They should’ve been shamed from society but men forgot how to lead.
Then they let faggots seep into schools instead of leading.
It is our fault. Men were weak, gullible and fucking permissive.
1950s a man as sole earner, who was a car mechanic could own a house, two cars, and put three kids through college, eventually buying a lake house.
In 2023, a man as a car mechanic can have five cars and do the same thing
Nope. Sorry. Dept labor list mean yearly income of a certified auto mechanic as $46,800 which means they will net 35,585 which means around 3k a month a minimum of half that will be housing, food will take out a huge chunk for himself, his wife, and three kids, insurance, cell phone, water, electricity
100,000 each (300 000) for three kids just for college.
Plus about another 80k each over 18 years in food clothes, first car, just stuff, raising them
So yeah, the DTI ratio (debt to income, pretty much means they will have to rent in a dodgy area with shitty schools)
Now this is not even considering that for a guy in 1952 the percentage of his wages that go to each thing was lesser. A single guy could work part time and afford college.
So no you're way wrong.
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm
The most generic one is $47,990. And I dont trust BLS here because they are taking the median hourly wage and multiplying it by a 40 hour work week. A lot of people put in a lot of overtime, and it was absolutely standard in the 1950s for a mechanic to work 60-80 hours a week.
And that is 60-80 hours a week on a book rate. A good mechanic works 3 hours per hour.
From there, that is average, it isnt sober auto mechanics that show up to work - the kind of people that become mechanics has gotten worse while the job has gotten harder, so much more pay discrepancy.
Also mechanic isnt the same thing as auto mechanic. You are looking at the job title of 18 year old lube techs. When I think mechanic I think about guys wrenching on a 700 series CAT, or semi wrecker owner operators. 200k+ starts being pretty easy. Know what the minimum cost is to have a semi wrecker come out? $1000.
More like 700 a month is housing where I am at. Which includes water.
Electric, 50 bucks.
food, 300 a month
Insurance for what, he doesnt own shit. 40 a month for his car because its mandatory
Cell phone, budget 50 a month, one for him one for his wife.
College, in my state, is 20k for 4 years. On a 529 plan that means what 1000 a year a kid?
You are so far off you must be a bot.
20k for a full ride dorm food books to I guess. Lol what a bunch of bullshit.
$700 is your rent and electric and water etc.
Are you really trying to argue that it's just as easy to do and have things in 2023 as it was in 1952? This is so idiotic is mind bending.
I'll call. Let's see where is that $700 buck total housing expense. Auto insurance is a legal requirement in most places. And it's more that $40 you buying those adds Geez you must be 13. Average rent in $1,629. Keep in mind it will need to fit a family so this is not some efficiency. If your talking about squatting in some abandoned town in the middle of nowhere you are skewing the data in bad faith.
Put up or stfu.
Tell me your fucking city you lying ass vidya playing punk ass bitch
University of Wyoming, tuition is 4k a year. Living expenses, go work at the concrete plant or something, I said paid for college not paid for beer money. Throw in dorms and it becomes 35k, 1500 for that 529 plan per year
Easier.
You realize 1952 was the middle of the Korean war, followed by the recession of 53? Meanwhile during both this recession and 2008 we were desperately paying enlistment bonuses during the recession
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/712-E-H-St-Casper-WY-82601/55621332_zpid/
Zillow's estimate is 570 a month and 130 in utilities is reasonable
Cheap car with minimum coverage paid yearly is about 500 bucks. 40 a month.
You’re going to raise kids in an 800 square-foot house? Are you out of your mind? You’re really stretching here. We’re talking about something it’s realistic for most people. I could find a house in that price range if I want to commute two hours to work. Or raise my kids in a house that is so small it’s borderline cruel. At least that house has a yard. That’s good. How many tens of thousands are going to have to go into immediate repairs for that house? I’ve never seen a house at that price they didn’t require tens upon tens of thousands of dollars in immediate repairs. I mean I’m 100% sure I can probably go even lower than you if I also looked for extreme unrealistic options. And there are still some unanswered questions in the estimates you gave him the first comment. That I just don’t believe because they’re so incredibly unrealistic. Look, again, not trying to call you a liar. If you can pull this off that’s incredibly impressive and God bless you. I mean it. I’m jealous if you are able to do this for real, that takes a level of smarts that I just don’t have. I’m not being a dick here, I’m being sincere. That’s very very impressive. Maybe it’s a lesson to me that there are ways to do things differently. Maybe I need to take a good hard look at what I’m doing and the decisions I’ve made, man, and try to see where I can cut down.
Yeah ok youre right we are all rolling in cash boomers got no breaks, everything was proportional in expenses... youre right. People are just lazy I guess why don't they go to school full time, work 80hr like you suggested pay for health insurance and the inevitable extra costs of a family with some of that sweet Bugatti money
I am currently in Tashkent Uzbekistan, the nearest cities to where I live is Casper, Gillette, and Sheridan Wyoming
Pfft Uzbek, irrelevant.
So yeah Wyoming is cheap true, also I belive had the highest suicide rates but maybe that's Montana idk. Renting a two bedroom in Casper will be more like $1,200.
With schooling I'm going on average 4 year schooling including room and board, expensive books etc because they are needed. Not some podunk school or an online school.
Where do you live that college is 20 K for four years? That’s absurd! $50 for your electric and 700 a month for your housing? I live in a very small town without expensive houses but a one bedroom 800 square-foot home is triple that. But you’re talking about kids. Go ahead and add a bedroom. That’s another 300 on your mortgage. And I’m lowballing it! We have a very very very modest house in a modest neighborhood and 700 doesn’t even get us to unlock the door.
I don’t wanna call you a liar so I really genuinely want to know where it is you live? That’s fucking amazing. Are used to live in one of the smallest towns in deep rural Pennsylvania and 700 didn’t rent an apartment.
And you’re talking about not paying for insurance but you do realize you need insurance on more than your car. Unless you live in a ghetto you are required to pay renters insurance and have her for bed you actually owned whatever crap hole you’re spending $700 on, because then you have to pay home insurance. There’s also health insurance. If you’re sending kids to college I assume you have life insurance unless you’re a neglectful father. Because if you die they are fucked. I honestly don’t know where you’re getting these numbers from. It’s perplexing.
University of Wyoming. We have a competently managed mineral trust which makes it the least expensive in state university in the country.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/244-Campbell-Ave-Kaycee-WY-82639/194357285_zpid/
That is in the nearest town, about an hour from where I live. That will get you up to about 140k for a house which you have options near where I live.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/256-258-Campbell-Ave-Kaycee-WY-82639/2060915240_zpid/
There is also that for 160k which will give you a house, another as a rental and a 30x50 shop too.
Eh, true, but home insurance for a cheap home is not that expensive
If you are that poor health insurance is cheap. If you arent then it isnt a concern.
Social security survivor benefits and other programs replace a low income pretty well, with a high income you should have some savings too.
University of Wyoming is as far from being a representative sample as one can get. And assuming in state tuition, next level. The number of times this got copy pasted into the thread verbatim is pretty sus too.
Pre-1965 immigration act as well...
Our immigration system wasn't constant pre 1965. It significantly changed with the emergency quota act of 1921, which put a hard cap on immigration to 3% of current population of that immigrant group per year, which cut immigration by 90% - though the limit didn't apply to Hispanics or Canadians. Then chain migration started with war brides act of 1945 and the Alien Fiancées and Fiancés Act
liberal beliefs AKA slave morality
Women were once in charge of raising the next generation.
Now, they are head Spreadsheet Lady at the office.
And butter as fuck about everything else in their lives.
Edit: Yes, it was supposed to be 'bitter'. But I like butter now, so it stays.
I like butter. But I think you're using it as in saying someone has a "butter face", right?
I was leaning toward it being a typo of "bitter" but now "butter as fuck" is my new favorite phrase.
My next username after I get banned again lol.
Gold, Jerry! Gold!
I can now retire from the internet. Thanks, everyone!
Bitter autopop. misspelled?
And in my experience, most of them suck at even that.
Louis Rossman is having a good experience with that at the moment. At the State level.
Ridiculous.
Corporate CONSUUME culture needs it's TPS reports and memos dammit!
And the cat lady at home.
Well, that was just something old ladies did when their husband died because they needed the companionship.
Now, 20 year old girls have at least 3 cats and can't figure out why men don't want to stick around long enough other than to find their other shoe.
Don't brings cats into this. They have done nothing wrong
self-propelled mousetraps did nuthin' wrong!
or they are proud plant parents
More in charge than today with the rate of single mothers? Not true.
Being a single mother by choice just means you don't bring anything to the table and like being a whore.
Or you have an OnlyFans account.
Or (d): All of the above.
If you're a single mother, who's rasing your kids while you are working?
The state
Single moms depend on the state more than anything for raise their children. Whether it's in education or by giving them state and federal benefits.
Do these offended women not understand that it was smart, hardworking white guys, who were their husbands and brothers and fathers at the time, that theorized, designed, prototyped, refined, then mass-produced ALL of the household electric appliances specifically with the intent to make their lives as EASY as possible?
Ungrateful bitches.
False. Black women put us on the moon. Maybe you should watch more Disney movies to get a more accurate view of history.
Cuz Tang made getting breakfast together for the kids 1000% easier, amirite???
It made making breakfast so easy that the wife though she would like to get a job to pay for daycare for the little monsters.
I thought they waz Kangz not engineers.
Lol
That makes sense since we never actually got there.
We punched cards and later wrote REXX n shieeeet
Do you realize that those appliances have actually contributed to laziness, and freeing up time for women to also work?
That's pretty dumb logic. That's like saying the invention of the airplane made men lazy and now men don't know how to navigate the seas using star maps.
All inventions that the west touts has just made society lazier. What do you do with the extra time?
I can’t have a trad wife…my wife is a sugar momma. More power to the trad wives tho.
Guys... should we tell him?
That HE is the tradwife? Hahaha
Lol very funny. I work FT too just don’t get paid nearly as much.
My dude, you're the wife 😂😂😂
I do alot of house work and cooking after my wife almost died in childbirth. She's still not her normal self. And it's really hard on her to do that stuff while also recovering and taking care of our son. She's not working. But thankfully I make just enough at my job even tho I've had to take alot of time off recently to care for my family. It's frickin exhausting and non stop. But I do it because I love them. And I know she would do the same for me if I was the one who became sick or injured.
But yeah I couldn't imagine doing this if she was capable without probably resenting her and becoming angry.
Damn, respect to you for stepping up. Best of luck to you and your family.
Thanks pede.
Not denigrating you or your wife, but I always found it funny when women make the excuse;
Oh I can't possibly, cook or clean right now, I'm way to tired from "taking care of the kid".
What is taking care of the kid? Cooking for it, cleaning after it, showing it how not to be a lazy fuck.
Basically, I hear tons of women say that and in my opinion she is saying that she is too tired to cook can clean from all the cooking and cleaning she HASN"T done.
I might give them that excuse if it's like a super hyper toddler that runs around full speed destroying everything as they play like the terrible 2s. That does get tiring. But a couple years older those kids become way easier to watch after and it's not much physical work at all.
Lol whatevs, I’d rather that than not have her salary. She does all the cooking/cleaning and I do the laundry. It works out.
Whos raising the kids?
It’s a shared effort
Same here. I am older and built my own business and have tons of freedom. My wife is killing it right now so good on her lol.
There's 2 problems with these trad wife videos:
A true traditional wife doesn't make narcissistic sexualized TikTok videos
The US economy has been totally restructured to make it impossible for families to live off of one salary unless that person makes a 6 figure income...... 50 years ago, a blue collar worker could support a family while their wife stayed home...... So these videos are basically glorifying high earning Conservative men who were able to find a hot wife who wants to be a housewife.
These videos do nothing to address the problem of how the whole system is rigged against the traditional family.
Today the average blue collar worker in my family breaks 6 figures easily. 2 break 300k as employees and that isn't counting owner operators (most of them)
Don’t take these other guys jokes too personally, I get it (my wife just happened into a large sum of money by being bought out of a lucrative venture and now stays at home with the kids while I work for a salary, although it will probably take a decade or two of continuously high earnings to make nearly the same money as she made in that one deal, so I get you)
Not enough people recognize that there are going to be more men having to deal with this, not less, as the majority of female advanced degree holders goes up and the number of men working skilled trade jobs goes down.
I'm just busting your balls, thanks for being a good sport. :)
Lol good waifu
( Cuck wimper )
look at me, if you don;t mind... I'm the ... ( sigh ) tradwife......
( Continued wimpering )
This isn’t even a big deal. Families work when the dynamic is right. Dad works outside the home, mom works inside the home and focuses on the kids and keeping a clean healthy environment. Dad makes the money for the food, mom cooks the food.
This is how it’s SUPPOSED to work. It’s not a mystery and it’s not weird. It’s how families have worked since we were squatting in caves.
Serfs had more free time than full time employees by a lot.
This isn't exactly right. Medieval serfs had way fewer hours "at work" (ie, in the fields - they basically had the non-growing season off, aside from tending animals) than modern wage earners, but WAY more hours doing unpaid, difficult manual labor for day-to-day necessities (gathering water, cooking, washing clothes by hand, butchering and preparing animals, building their own homes/outbuildings, etc.).
They worked 180 days out of the year. That's 80 less than a modern full time job.
Harvest season isn't 8 hour days it is 20 hour days. Planting is 12-14. Processing is similar.
And they paid far less in taxes and had way more personal liberties.
Serfs were literally unable to move or leave town (even for a "trip") without their landlord's permission, so I don't know if I'd rank their personal freedoms especially high.
Both sexes can do almost anything the other can, but for many activities and responsibilities, one sex is better suited than the other. For example, men are better at standing urination and voting, and women are better at complaining and making sandwiches.
Man hunt woman gather. I am currently in Uzbekistan and no, women and men arent treated interchangeably here even in tribal areas.
So there are no weak men in Uzbekistan? No men who are more devoted to scholarly pursuits?
There absolutely are - it was the center of the Soviet space program. Which is an extension of the military. Scholarly warriors
That is not scholarly though. Maybe partially so at best.
Many tribal "units" were anywhere between 1 and a Dozen "EXTENDED TRADITIONAL FAMILIES" working together.
And each extended family units were CLEARLY DEFINED sub-sets within the tribal community, not some fucking melted mess.
Not some fuckign grouping of "random ass people" as in Hillary Clintoon's "It takes a village" bull shit.
Spot on
My wife made a lot more than me ( and she makes more than most of you) so I shut down my business to stay home with my little kids and work side hustles - no shame in that
Absolutely is.
Cmon... maybe a little bit of shame, right? Wouldn't you prefer it the other way around, deep down?
I wish you all the best, but women become less attracted to their partner if he makes less than them, because practically speaking, you've become a babysitter and dependent on your wife, rather than protector / provider.
Your wife married a man, and she got a stay at home wife instead.
Edit: are you really vegan as your username suggests?
Fuck that. Wageslaving is cancer
Rich men have a hard time raising their daughters right for a reason. I did alright but it still wasnt easy. One of my daughters has a upper 6 figure income the other was
Deep down yes but I’m not going to go through medical school just to make more than her.
Maybe that’s true sometimes but I do everything else including building and fixing the house, I build gardens, do the finances l, build stuff for the kids, built a home gym, and I still work to bring in side hustle money for investments that I research
Your blanket statement overall is right but it works really great for us.
But honestly you sound like a dickhead - my wife makes more than you and I’m a better father than you’ll ever be and my kids have an amazing life
And yes I am proudly a vegan
It's good you're still doing things she isn't interested in like construction projects .
I am kind of a dick, yes, but I do understand that in today's landscape it sometimes makes sense. I'm just way too much of an adherent to natural law to not poke at someone who says there is "NO shame" in stay-at-home-husbandry.
Like... cmon... there's a little bit... 😉
I regularly give my best friend a hard time because his wife makes more than him.
I'm not even intending it to be mean, just poking fun.
Only from assholes like you who try to shame good fathers - you make presumptions about my household and kids and relationship with my wife that are all wrong.
In an ideal world, the man should go to work. But in certain situations you work with what you have
Would you suggest I divorce my wife and start over and only find a woman I make more than ?
Or should I go to work and she stay at home and we sell our awesome house and have our kids have a less awesome life ?
Or should I stop having sex with my wife because some cunt online told me she isn’t attracted to me ?
Honestly bro, you’re an armchair QB online. IRL you’re roleplaying some character
Furthermore, you’re only talking about the recent human history.
In an ideal world, the man doesn’t have a corporate fucking job and builds his hut with his tribe and his kids are with him and his wife 24/7 and even takes kids on adventures
Sounds like you and your family have a great life. Enjoy, you are blessed
Bro I'm just giving you a hard time. I give my best friend shit for the same thing lol.
It's funny. As I've said a couple times now in different ways, I'm glad yall are happy with your situation. You put an awful lot of mean words in my mouth just now, that I never said and never would say...
I dont know you, dont talk about me, my wife or my family situation.
Eh, you kind of sound like the dickhead here. Also, PROUDLY vegan? Why? There's no reason to be proud of what you eat.
It’s not what I eat it’s what I don’t eat. It’s difficult to live in a world where 97% of people aren’t like you and most will shame you or guilt you for your personal choice … standing strong for your beliefs in the face of an overwhelming societal pressure is something to be proud of. Also not contributing to the suffering of sentient creatures and helping to save life and not destroy it while I’m on Earth is an admirable thing
Eat meat you trad wife cuck
Nah faggot- go get heart disease.
Ps my wife makes more than you . Enjoy that thought pussy
You mean your husband makes more money than me.
I mean you’re significantly out earned by a woman and out fathered by a guy you’re making fun of. My wife is better than yours and I’m better than you. Enjoy being a cunt
Did you type this message while being pegged?
I am 80 years old with a fine heart, it is everything else about me that is fucked. No meat and I would be worse off.
How do you know you wouldn’t be better off ?
My issues are mainly skeletal. There are three things you do to fix that - become highly muscular, increase testosterone, and eat meat.
I grew up on a cattle ranch then was navy EOD for the next 24 years followed by being a general contractor for another decade. I also did steroids during most of this. Literally the only thing I could do better is eat more meat. Well, that and wear better shoes/don't fall off 3 story buildings/don't get crushed by a half ton of equipment/don't step on landmines...
What specifically about meat makes you think it helps with your skeleton ?
How’s the pegging going, wifey? 😝
Haha, my wife is semi-traditional at best too... the best part being that we don't have the her money is her money and my money is our money.
I think the Chinese might be brainwashing my wife. And it's awesome.
My wife and I watch almost exclusively Chinese dramas now. At least they have pride and no gay shit
There are many many good ones. I would start with nothing but thirty if you want a drama.
The street shitters make some good, masculine movies too. Check out RRR.
I have much more respect for people who still up for their historical culture in the home country, even if their government is crap.
Mean me girl Americans chopping off genitals and forcing pedophiles on children
Three body problem was great
What do you mean?
Remember: the chineez KILLED most of the girl babies for decades!
That's a situation ripe for making chineez women domestic goddesses.
It is guaranteed to make those domestic godesses, into murderous demonesses. As well.
Unto the third and fourth generation...
And Americans adopted a bunch of their unwanted girls until they figured out what a mess the one child policy was.
Threatening feminism might lead to longer hair, kids, a family for life, happiness, love, excellent meals, contentment. Did I get all the vices in there?
You forgot monogamy and loyalty.
Actual trad wives are cool. But girls on tiktok aren't really traditional, they're just attention whores larping as traditional
Unfortunately you’re right, but it’s a step in the right directions.
If they pretend to be traditional long enough, then perhaps the generation after them will be legitimately traditional, due to the influence at a early age.
Would be even more based if these women were authentically rightwing and seeking traditionalism and not just following another dumb trend.
Why do they say that like it's a bad thing?
Because most of them lack the life skills to be a trad wife. They’re jealous because the only way they can put dinner on the table is Uber eats.
Exactly.
Like it’s SOOOO hard to follow a fucking recipe.
NGL, I'm a stay at home mom with a 14 month old. We have a trad dynamic. It's fucking hard work: cooking, cleaning, running errands, caring for a garden, two dogs and a small baby is a lot to balance for 9 hours all alone 5 days a week. Not to mention it took time and trial and error to learn to cook some decent food since my mom was the strong feminist type and couldn't cook to save her life.
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The sad part is that cooking isn't rocket science and everyone in the past could do it. Yet they can't.
Can't lives on won't street.
There are tons of cooking videos, TV shows, and blogs that show how to cook various dishes. All you need is a stock pot, a 2-3 qt pan, and a large skillet or saucier to cook a variety of foods, not a twenty piece set of expensive cookware. You can branch out from there as you get better at cooking.
I had a friend who thought that making hamburger required special expensive equipment so he never bothered to look into how to cook it.
I explained to him how easy it was to make it and then he learned he could make 4-6x as many tacos for the same price as taco bell with that hamburger.
I also told him how he can cook rice "perfectly" with a rice cooker everytime and have cheap rice. He was amazed.
🤦♂️ Is that really won't or can't?
"When racism and sexism ruled" - In other words when people sized up the world accurately.
They must reeeeeeesist a return to tradition at all costs.
All they have is muh racisms and muh sexisms.
I have worked in corporate America for the past 20 years. I can see unequivocally that the vast majority of career oriented women typically are rather unhappy. Usually at some point as they start getting too old, they try very hard to get a family going but at that point it’s usually too late. At that point, they typically become cougars.
Others ruined their families, and became divorced during the pursuit of worthless corporate titles.
Either way a shitty situation
Even the ones that remain married had to check their kids into doggy daycare. I really believe that daycare is the beginning of the end of society. It’s where kids learn that every single thing must be fair and they have to focus on their own survival and comfort to get through it.
The message is at that tender age you are alone. In order not to feel alone, they embrace whatever bullshit is being taught and they learn maladaptive coping mechanisms. Plus a lot of kids then end up on soy formula with all that estrogen because it’s too hard to pump breastmilk.
Think about how our society has changed since daycare became a thing. And you know how we know it’s really evil that they’re going after our kids? Because Democrats push free daycare as hard as they can. Preschool is now free in a lot of schools as pre-kindergarten or Headstart.
Have you read Brave New World? Where the words "father" and "mother" are considered obscene? I think the eventual goal is the complete destruction of the nuclear family. "Free" daycare and "education" are certainly steps toward that goal. It's predicated on the need for Mom to work, which often stems from societal pressure, as well as the norm of living beyond your means via debt. (an aside--I found it really fascinating to learn that the German word for "debt" is the same as their word for "guilt". Same concept to that saving culture)
What I find truly impressive about our Enemy is the ability to work over a span of generations, making slow, steady progress...
The exception to this are women in high level executive positions who tend to be full on sociopaths.
Both sides project a ton of bullshit onto the 1950s.
No one is left alive who was old enough to comprehend what they witnessed of that era. There is no one left alive in a position to call bullshit. The result is a contest of lies.
Somehow people today look to a modern soap opera as some sort of documentary about people in the New York advertising industry during the late 50s and early 60s. That sub culture could hardly be considered a representative sample of 'the fifties', even if its portrayal was accurate, which I'm certain it is not.
I can say this with confidence: What we have today is far more of a 'social construct' aimed at controlling and manipulating people than any of the 'roles' 'played out' by men and women back then.
Truth
I was born in 1942, I remember it. Now I also grew up on a 130k acre cattle ranch in Wyoming, not a city, but I can remember that.
130..... k acres?
That’s 30,000 more than the entire urban land use on Oahu
Yeah 200 square miles. My daddy made some decent money in oil (teapot dome scandal related, kind of, though he didn't do anything corrupt himself), then the coal mining industry then switched to cattle
Oh no, a depiction of a woman more focused on building and maintaining the relationships with her husband and children than purely on her self gratification, how awful....
This seems more like the leftists found Chinese Tiktok as this is more on their side, all the degeneracy and commie crap is on the Western Tiktok.
China doesn't have tik tok. They have some similar app with a Chinese name.
Isn't it by the same company? I do recall that their version of the app is HEAVILY tailored to promote moral values, family, the state etc.
Whereas Tiktok, teenager twerking, insane liberals promoting abortion, pedophilia talking points and 'social activism'
Company? Hmm not sure but you can bet the CCP manages/monitors both VERY closely.
Heavily censored... the CCP will make anyone promoting anything they disagree with disappear.
I hear people drank water during the era when sexism and racism ruled too...
A marriage is two people tag teaming against life. I don't see what's wrong with a mutual agreement to divide up the responsibilities of work, house, kids, etc etc so that both people don't feel overwhelmed like they have to both do everything in order to be considered a full person.
Lady pede here
I wish I had the energy to get that dolled up every day. These women are something else (in a positive way). Absolutely gorgeous!
Do they mean that romanticized era encompassing the greatest expansion of human awareness, liberty, wealth, technology, and the sciences in the entire known history of the species? That era? I thought it was pretty cool myself.
But God forbid one of these snowflakes be denied their luxurious enslavement on my account. Be offended then. I'd like to get back to what works before we nuke ourselves out of existence. But that's just me I guess.
This is in contrast to the pervasive anti-White racism and gay agenda promoted daily by media and every institution in the country.
So this is what will finally bring down TikTok. Interesting.
Alternate Headline: "Trad wife" videos successful at romanticizing traditional wives.
I'm a lucky man.
All they have is "Muh sexisms/racisms"
Staying at home, and just being in charge of cleaning, cooking, and taking care of your own kids
vs
Being locked in a cubicle, working for some guy you barely know, deadlines, writing reports, high stress, workplace backstabbing, hardly being home, and office politics.
Blacks also had intact families with stay at home moms in the 1950s, how is that racist?
Proverbs 31:21 She is not afraid of snow for all her household is clothed with scarlet.
Proverbs 31 is the ultimate "trad wife" scripture. "Her worth is far above rubies."
Yes.
"Her husband is known in the gates, where he sits with the elders of the land."
(People figure her husband must be all right, with a wife like that. A woman like that would not be with a coarse or dishonest man. And they also know she is a check on him. They admire his home.)
That woman is shown, by the author, King Solomon, as active, creative, effective, making decisions, devising strategy. She is publicly praised too, not ignored or taken for granted. But her activity is within the home. She is not leaving the home, to travel for business, or serve a public role.
It turns out that homes don't stay homes without someone really there to make them homes, as a focus. The mental aspect. A home is not a place where if you press a bar, food pellets come and there is fresh straw to sleep on. That's a jail, barn, or hospital. A home is a psychological wellspring.
People used to say that behind a successful man was the right kind of woman. That was corny but true.
maybe so,but its better than romanticizing grooming, self-mutilation and whoring yourself out, which is being done today.
I'd rather be ruled by racists and sexists than fucking Godless commies and Tyrants.
Yeah that was such a terrible time. As opposed to today, where...sexism and racism rule.
Lol
I will not dignify this by using their bastard vernacular. My wife and I have equal roles, she raises our children and takes care of the home while giving us more children, I work and take care of everything around the house that I can along with raising our kids. She has never felt demeaned or less than me, her job is all the greater because of how much pressure is on her for raising our kids right. She is not traditional, she is a wife and a woman excelling in her area, she did the grind, had a job making good money, but it wasn’t what she wanted. Feminist say it’s up to woman then helped create a world that all but tries to force woman into the workforce just to make ends meet. Whatever it takes I will make sure she can stay at home and make the next generation great again.
Good for you, your wife and kids
China's version tik tok is towards learning and being a good socially responsible citizen the American version is about spreading self fufulling divisiveness and hate. The cover story about American government being concerned about espionage or hacking is legitimate but really it's about this degradation of society of youth minds being corrupted and infiltrated, it's got to the point where they're doing it on their own
Back when women upheld their end of the deal between men and women and were worthy of dedication. The majority of western women now aren't even worthy of dating seriously.
Dress well, look your best, care for your spouse and your family, be responsible and stable.... The Monsters!
I thought this was about white couples. fucker.
where social cohesion was strong and degenercy was punished
Yep, God forbid a woman is actually happy and grateful for a family and take care of them the best she can!
These days it's difficult to find a woman that's just happy. It's way too much to expect them to want to take care of the house she demanded or the kids she had or even the husband she gets all her stuff from.
Women were the power structure in the household. I don't think a single Marxist understands the power dynamic in traditional households at all....or they do and that's why they want to destroy it.
Joe Biden, is that you?