In the late 80s, my neighbors son and daughter were groomed by a man she met and later married. Oh, he seemed nice enough at first....very affable. When he was in between jobs, he offered to watch her kids while she waitressed at night.
The boy was 15, the girl 7. The court filings said the grooming started when he showed them books of children in sexual situations. He took them to a supposedly public nude beach full of nude adults. At trial, the boy said the man told them it was "perfectly normal and natural" to be aroused by the nudity. Of course, it all led to him raping both the boy and girl which was proven with medical records and testimony.
This is what they do. They pretend to be no threat, when their entire purpose is to destroy the innocence of their victims.
These people are monsters, and Democrats fully support them. In fact, the monsters ARE Democrats.
They fought hard to continue to work from home, despite the decline of their students, they didn't care about anything but their next fix. Knew things were real bad when after their taste, teachers began promoting remote learning by calling parents concerned about their children domestic terrorists, racists misogynists and bigots.
I'd love to say that this is how it should go, but it would never work. You are generations removed from that world. Most priests can't even speak Latin anymore and so few of the laity are trained in Gregorian Chant that it'd be a disaster at the parish level. The Mass would have to move to some sort of hybrid between the old and the new with the allowance of the vernacular, at least for a time until you could have a fluent Latin priesthood again... even then, I'd argue that having much of the Mass of the Catechumens in the vernacular would not be as awful as most Trads make it out; I'd rather hear the readings chanted in English than the sloppy Latin you get from a good number of priests who aren't well versed in Latin followed by the reread in English the 2nd time. Most of the cultural and ritualistic changes certainly need to be rolled back (what Catholic "culture" even exists in the post-Vatican II world?). The Divine Office should be reintroduced for clergy and religious and maybe allow the Liturgy of the Hours to be maintained for use by laity.
Then you have issues with differences in calendars, canonizations post-Vatican II that were held to lower standards but still considered infallible, and various changes to Canon Law that would have to be fleshed out. Either way, it'd be much more nuanced than just rolling it all back.
I don't disagree with that. Although, I'll say "learning Latin" is relative. I know a number of Latin prayers and what a good number of the words mean (mainly because of their association with Italian), it doesn't mean I know Latin. Anyway, no matter how fast traditionalist/Latin Mass groups are/were (before the Traditionis Custodes) growing, they're still a very small niche in the Church compared to the whole.
A wholesale return to the old Mass in Latin would be logistically impossible given the state of things. It's much easier when the supply of priests that can offer the TLM is in sync with the laity who want it. The problem is that a wholesale return to TLM in one shot would require countless priests who don't know a lick of Latin to offer a Mass they don't know and never had an interest in on a global scale. It'd be a disaster of epic proportions. It's why I roll my eyes when hardcore trads think this is in the realm of possibility.
I love TLM and would love to see it or something like it return as the main Mass of the Church, but I'm also realistic. That's why I say that we'd need some sort of hybrid Mass coupled a return to the old customs and rituals.
Although, I'll say "learning Latin" is relative. I know a number of Latin prayers and what a good number of the words mean (mainly because of their association with Italian), it doesn't mean I know Latin
I'll be the first guy to remark 'you sound keltoi' if you do!
Christ doesn’t care if you speak the mass in Latin.
How could you possibly think he does?
Christ wants you to have faith in his sacrifice as fully God and man shedding his blood with potential to forgive any and all sins ever committed if you just come to him in faith and true belief and then proceed to take up your cross daily and fill up what is lacking in his suffering.
Latin is a point of unity (something Christ certainly desired). It is the language of the universal Church in that all can go to a Church in any part of the world and know the prayers of the liturgy. It unifies all Latin Rite Catholics. It is also a dead and unchanging language so that one can use a Latin version of anything and know that the translations have not been altered over time to fit the modern usage of language or the whims of the translators. It is also one of three languages of the Cross (Latin, Greek, Hebrew) and as such has a pride of place above other modern languages. Also, from a human standpoint it unites all Latin Catholics to their ancestors through the ages, plus it's pretty sounding.
By whose authority do you say that the new Mass is illegitimate? Your own? Certainly not the Church. I can trust in God to do whatever it is in His plans to return the Church to glory, my own plans mean nothing. So while I evaluate the current situation and make assumptions based on what I see before me, you just figure that God will bail us out with a grand miracle that will erase the last 60 years and make things how you desire. I'd call that pride.
If they want something authentic they should try faith in Christ blood and taking up their cross daily not a chant in this language or a special service in that language.
What kind of crazy contrived argument is this where you are hanging out with people from other nationalities who know Latin and that makes you the only true believers?
There's nothing that's perfect, but we do the best with what we have this side of the veil. Without organization you have chaos. You have disjointed ideas and nothing to build off. I equate it to people spread throughout the world who had no contact with civilization and remained primitive vs. those who made contact with the rest of the world and began to trade and exchange ideas. Huge difference. Without such organization we'd never have civilization.
With organization you get the closest you can get to unity of all of its members until it all breaks and then good men in hard times rebuild it all again and then the cycle continues. That's the world we live in.
You can make the same argument against government and every single other organization in existence. Either you have a bunch of loners who think they know better or you get people who work together to organize and do the best they can until some group of evil and/or moronic people who ruin it all and then people have to start over again.
The Church is in a time of turmoil, but we believe it to be the Bride of Christ and will serve her and try to rebuild to our last breath. That is our mission and we won't back down.
This feller thinks that human corporate institutions are somehow the church of Christ.
The true church of Christ is all true believers who recognized the Creator, Christ the Messiah, and pursue a relationship with him in faith that he will cover their sins with his blood, The only possible way to atone for sins.
Silly organized religion fags looking for your earthly golden calf. Lol. Complaining about the ins and outs of your corrupt, kiddy fucking organization. 🤣🤣🤣
Religion is an individual experience with God. These fake churches telling you to give up your money to them is a human, fleshly desire. Not one of God. That shit was rewritten many time until payment was written in there.
They those people have power and your money, just like the government. So they allow faggy shit, kid fucking, and overall corruption.
Churches are 4 walls and a roof. Nothing more. Invite your friends to your house to pray and read the Bible. Once you enter those big churches, you're fucked and indoctrinated.
Definitely not; however, the communist infiltration of the Church began very early on. I don't think JPII realized how deep it ran in the Church itself... or he was just powerless to do much about it.
Mel Gibsons father did something similar to that. He also stated this;
Tolerance is the last virtue of a depraved society. When an immoral society has blatantly and proudly violated all the commandments, it insists upon one last virtue, tolerance for its immorality. It will not tolerate condemnation of its perversions. It creates a whole new world in which only the intolerant critic of intolerable evil is evil."
The irony of the "accept your natural self" sign when they promote genital mutilation as well as endless cosmetic surgeries & harmful injections of hormones is insane.
This. You ever have 2 things come together and just go pow like a bolt of lightning. Somebody brings 2 distant things smashes them together and it all makes sense.
there's something phenomenal with parasites that's being discovered. Attached to illness. ways to cleanse your body of them starve them out a lot of it is junk food and sugar get rid of that they starve die and get washed out by your system
I liked JP2 and Benedict16. As a Catholic, oh man Francis is a pain, especially for the younger crowd who are wanting more traditional services and catechisis. What's frustrating is sometimes the media just badly mistranslates what he said as if its this some crazy progressive thing, when all he said was "Love one another and don't sin" at its most basic. But then there are times he says something and you wonder how the fuck he came to that conclusion, but he's a Jesuit, and even other Catholics don't like Jesuits.
While I don't really want Popes to step down like B16 did, I would not mind of Francis stepped down to let us get a good Pope in, if the College of Cardinals could agree on one. I'll gladly take Barron (not sure if he is eligible), Burke, Dolan, or Sarah. I don't know too much about non-American bishops and cardinals aside from Robert Sarah (from Africa).
To be honest, Sarah as pope would be amazing. He's very traditional, incredibly based in just about everything, extremely anti-Islam, extremely pro-life, etc. I'm not one to be fond of diversity hires or similar, but Robert Sarah is definitely not a diversity hire; he knows his shit. And it would be hilarious to see the left wing news media try to come to grips that an African is the leader of such an old institution and trying to change it back to what it was.
Organized religion is shit. ^^ Look at all the division, hatred, and greed it breeds within it'sown ranks. Lol. Take it to a personal level away from the noise and big towers dedicated to their huberus. If not, you're always looking for that next golden calf of a pope.
World war gay is on its way if they don't cool this rush towards pedophilia. Normies only accepted gay marriage because it was supposed to keep them out of conflict.
And now they drag the nudists into the tar. Look, real nudists are nude amongst each other BY CONSENT of everyone involved. These weirdos are exhibitionists, not nudists.
I mostly blame the sick-in-the-head mommies who take their young children to these events. They are knowingly exposing their children to this debauchery.
I think we should just pixelate everybody's boobs/chests just to be safe or CGI a burka or something. I can't tell if the one in a black cap is a MTF or FTM.....
as bad as that is, my eye goes straight to the people on the sidewalk watching the parade.
what are they standing there watching?? people walking by holding the same signs. there's no giant floats. there's no celebrities, no pro sports team that just won a championship. they are literally just watching everyday people walking on the street holding signs. what a sad way to spend your day! the idea that "progressives" are into such an outdated concept like "parades" isn't surprising, because everything they do is regressive.
“Accept your natural self” should be our slogan, not theirs.
hidden gem here ^
The Catholic church has never branched before?
I'm amazed they let Admiral Rachel Levine carry the "FREE YOUR BODY" sign but it is out of uniform I guess
In the late 80s, my neighbors son and daughter were groomed by a man she met and later married. Oh, he seemed nice enough at first....very affable. When he was in between jobs, he offered to watch her kids while she waitressed at night.
The boy was 15, the girl 7. The court filings said the grooming started when he showed them books of children in sexual situations. He took them to a supposedly public nude beach full of nude adults. At trial, the boy said the man told them it was "perfectly normal and natural" to be aroused by the nudity. Of course, it all led to him raping both the boy and girl which was proven with medical records and testimony.
This is what they do. They pretend to be no threat, when their entire purpose is to destroy the innocence of their victims.
These people are monsters, and Democrats fully support them. In fact, the monsters ARE Democrats.
Awful. Tried to find the other story. gauy couple paid CPH to adopt 3 kids with trust funds set to automatically go to new parents. Raped repeatedly
Archbishop Vigano Automatons without soul without will Archbishop Viganò https://patriots.win/p/16bPZsIocA/x/c/4Tv8awHtjI8
Teachers union The battle is inside America this isnt just about fentanyl no it's about our institutions
Attention here and here
They fought hard to continue to work from home, despite the decline of their students, they didn't care about anything but their next fix. Knew things were real bad when after their taste, teachers began promoting remote learning by calling parents concerned about their children domestic terrorists, racists misogynists and bigots.
Groomers
Chicago teachers union
American Catholics need to start the American Catholic Church.
As a Catholic, remember the words at Fatima. This attack on the family is Satans last assault. Pray, and guard your children.
Nobody understood the message when presented so not many took it seriously. Now that it makes sense it's kinda late.
Or we could just go back to the Orthodox Church.... it's still here, and it hasn't changed since the time of the apostles.
I'd love to say that this is how it should go, but it would never work. You are generations removed from that world. Most priests can't even speak Latin anymore and so few of the laity are trained in Gregorian Chant that it'd be a disaster at the parish level. The Mass would have to move to some sort of hybrid between the old and the new with the allowance of the vernacular, at least for a time until you could have a fluent Latin priesthood again... even then, I'd argue that having much of the Mass of the Catechumens in the vernacular would not be as awful as most Trads make it out; I'd rather hear the readings chanted in English than the sloppy Latin you get from a good number of priests who aren't well versed in Latin followed by the reread in English the 2nd time. Most of the cultural and ritualistic changes certainly need to be rolled back (what Catholic "culture" even exists in the post-Vatican II world?). The Divine Office should be reintroduced for clergy and religious and maybe allow the Liturgy of the Hours to be maintained for use by laity.
Then you have issues with differences in calendars, canonizations post-Vatican II that were held to lower standards but still considered infallible, and various changes to Canon Law that would have to be fleshed out. Either way, it'd be much more nuanced than just rolling it all back.
I don't disagree with that. Although, I'll say "learning Latin" is relative. I know a number of Latin prayers and what a good number of the words mean (mainly because of their association with Italian), it doesn't mean I know Latin. Anyway, no matter how fast traditionalist/Latin Mass groups are/were (before the Traditionis Custodes) growing, they're still a very small niche in the Church compared to the whole.
A wholesale return to the old Mass in Latin would be logistically impossible given the state of things. It's much easier when the supply of priests that can offer the TLM is in sync with the laity who want it. The problem is that a wholesale return to TLM in one shot would require countless priests who don't know a lick of Latin to offer a Mass they don't know and never had an interest in on a global scale. It'd be a disaster of epic proportions. It's why I roll my eyes when hardcore trads think this is in the realm of possibility.
I love TLM and would love to see it or something like it return as the main Mass of the Church, but I'm also realistic. That's why I say that we'd need some sort of hybrid Mass coupled a return to the old customs and rituals.
I'll be the first guy to remark 'you sound keltoi' if you do!
Christ doesn’t care if you speak the mass in Latin.
How could you possibly think he does?
Christ wants you to have faith in his sacrifice as fully God and man shedding his blood with potential to forgive any and all sins ever committed if you just come to him in faith and true belief and then proceed to take up your cross daily and fill up what is lacking in his suffering.
Latin is a point of unity (something Christ certainly desired). It is the language of the universal Church in that all can go to a Church in any part of the world and know the prayers of the liturgy. It unifies all Latin Rite Catholics. It is also a dead and unchanging language so that one can use a Latin version of anything and know that the translations have not been altered over time to fit the modern usage of language or the whims of the translators. It is also one of three languages of the Cross (Latin, Greek, Hebrew) and as such has a pride of place above other modern languages. Also, from a human standpoint it unites all Latin Catholics to their ancestors through the ages, plus it's pretty sounding.
By whose authority do you say that the new Mass is illegitimate? Your own? Certainly not the Church. I can trust in God to do whatever it is in His plans to return the Church to glory, my own plans mean nothing. So while I evaluate the current situation and make assumptions based on what I see before me, you just figure that God will bail us out with a grand miracle that will erase the last 60 years and make things how you desire. I'd call that pride.
If they want something authentic they should try faith in Christ blood and taking up their cross daily not a chant in this language or a special service in that language.
What kind of crazy contrived argument is this where you are hanging out with people from other nationalities who know Latin and that makes you the only true believers?
This is why organized religion blows for everyone. It's man made. So eventually, greed sets in once they turn from God.
There's nothing that's perfect, but we do the best with what we have this side of the veil. Without organization you have chaos. You have disjointed ideas and nothing to build off. I equate it to people spread throughout the world who had no contact with civilization and remained primitive vs. those who made contact with the rest of the world and began to trade and exchange ideas. Huge difference. Without such organization we'd never have civilization.
With organization you get the closest you can get to unity of all of its members until it all breaks and then good men in hard times rebuild it all again and then the cycle continues. That's the world we live in.
You can make the same argument against government and every single other organization in existence. Either you have a bunch of loners who think they know better or you get people who work together to organize and do the best they can until some group of evil and/or moronic people who ruin it all and then people have to start over again.
The Church is in a time of turmoil, but we believe it to be the Bride of Christ and will serve her and try to rebuild to our last breath. That is our mission and we won't back down.
Sounds like the typical non denominational cultist.
Except it doesn't, because I don't have a cult, child molester: you do.
I'm no fan of the Catholic Church, but the words you're speaking don't sound like the words of the Holy Spirit either.
This feller thinks that human corporate institutions are somehow the church of Christ. The true church of Christ is all true believers who recognized the Creator, Christ the Messiah, and pursue a relationship with him in faith that he will cover their sins with his blood, The only possible way to atone for sins.
Yeah unfortunately you are right in there with them.
Nah, we just need to force Francis to step down and finally get someone with balls back in.
Archbishop Vigano.
Yes!
As I said in another comment on this thread, Cardinal Sarah as Pope is basically the dream.
Berglio has appointed enough like minded cardinals who will determine the next pope. He will be one just like him or worse.
Silly organized religion fags looking for your earthly golden calf. Lol. Complaining about the ins and outs of your corrupt, kiddy fucking organization. 🤣🤣🤣
Religion is an individual experience with God. These fake churches telling you to give up your money to them is a human, fleshly desire. Not one of God. That shit was rewritten many time until payment was written in there.
They those people have power and your money, just like the government. So they allow faggy shit, kid fucking, and overall corruption.
Churches are 4 walls and a roof. Nothing more. Invite your friends to your house to pray and read the Bible. Once you enter those big churches, you're fucked and indoctrinated.
Kind of hard when and entire Vatican has been communist since the 60s
John Paul II was a commie?
Definitely not; however, the communist infiltration of the Church began very early on. I don't think JPII realized how deep it ran in the Church itself... or he was just powerless to do much about it.
GL with that
Mel Gibsons father did something similar to that. He also stated this;
-Hutton Gibson
Is that true? Fascinating…
They'll only be 450 years late to the party!
Better late than never!
Henry VIII did nothing wrong.
Garbage opinion. He did a Joe Biden and left their cultural infrastructure in ruins.
Or just join Orthodoxy.
The irony of the "accept your natural self" sign when they promote genital mutilation as well as endless cosmetic surgeries & harmful injections of hormones is insane.
Nudist colony? No parade around asphalt jungle.
Wears masks, eat shit for food, lets their body and mind go to waste.
People that have paracite infection can't help themselves. Hivemind and lies.
It's probably why they hate on ivermectin so much
This. You ever have 2 things come together and just go pow like a bolt of lightning. Somebody brings 2 distant things smashes them together and it all makes sense.
there's something phenomenal with parasites that's being discovered. Attached to illness. ways to cleanse your body of them starve them out a lot of it is junk food and sugar get rid of that they starve die and get washed out by your system
I liked JP2 and Benedict16. As a Catholic, oh man Francis is a pain, especially for the younger crowd who are wanting more traditional services and catechisis. What's frustrating is sometimes the media just badly mistranslates what he said as if its this some crazy progressive thing, when all he said was "Love one another and don't sin" at its most basic. But then there are times he says something and you wonder how the fuck he came to that conclusion, but he's a Jesuit, and even other Catholics don't like Jesuits.
While I don't really want Popes to step down like B16 did, I would not mind of Francis stepped down to let us get a good Pope in, if the College of Cardinals could agree on one. I'll gladly take Barron (not sure if he is eligible), Burke, Dolan, or Sarah. I don't know too much about non-American bishops and cardinals aside from Robert Sarah (from Africa).
To be honest, Sarah as pope would be amazing. He's very traditional, incredibly based in just about everything, extremely anti-Islam, extremely pro-life, etc. I'm not one to be fond of diversity hires or similar, but Robert Sarah is definitely not a diversity hire; he knows his shit. And it would be hilarious to see the left wing news media try to come to grips that an African is the leader of such an old institution and trying to change it back to what it was.
Organized religion is shit. ^^ Look at all the division, hatred, and greed it breeds within it'sown ranks. Lol. Take it to a personal level away from the noise and big towers dedicated to their huberus. If not, you're always looking for that next golden calf of a pope.
The groomer with the mask is killing me.
As if its body isn't already wracked with AIDs and monkeypox.
Gotta have a mask to stop COVID. Who cares if you come in contact with his AIDs, monkeypox, herpes, etc infested naked body?
World war gay is on its way if they don't cool this rush towards pedophilia. Normies only accepted gay marriage because it was supposed to keep them out of conflict.
Why wear shoes? Is it because clothes … have a purpose?!
Straight folks + Wontons = Winning
And now they drag the nudists into the tar. Look, real nudists are nude amongst each other BY CONSENT of everyone involved. These weirdos are exhibitionists, not nudists.
I mostly blame the sick-in-the-head mommies who take their young children to these events. They are knowingly exposing their children to this debauchery.
And they all look exactly as you'd imagine them to look. Filthy fucking perverts.
To hell with Bergoglio the degenerate Jesuit socialist a.k.a. Pope Francis, who came from the Liberation Theology cesspit of South America.
I think we should just pixelate everybody's boobs/chests just to be safe or CGI a burka or something. I can't tell if the one in a black cap is a MTF or FTM.....
Looks like admiral Dick
A slingshot to the pee-pee would send them running...
Okay.. so.. like 3 days and he's fired?
Whatever happened to arresting for indecent exposure?
I'm most shocked that this wasn't san francisco
Looks like Toronto.
Church and Wellesley is well known as a gay area and Toronto has street signs like that.
It is imprudent to speak out against wonton evil when your organization is in service to that evil. He needs to decide who he really wants to serve.
Where in the catechism does it teach that gay pride is a good thing?
Seems to be more Presbyterian and other protestant denominations are the ones with all the pride bullshit front and center.
All false prophets are bad, not just those associated with catholicism.
Lol the covid mask
*wanton *there *mighty *"
God bless Bishop Stickland for fighting the good fight to protect our innocent children rom this great evil of our times!!!
Wonton evil, egg roll good?
Reprobates.
Pope needs a spelling lesson but , yes, I agree
Wonton. Lol Chinese food.
"AcCept YouR NatuRal sElf!" Wears plastic mask .
as bad as that is, my eye goes straight to the people on the sidewalk watching the parade.
what are they standing there watching?? people walking by holding the same signs. there's no giant floats. there's no celebrities, no pro sports team that just won a championship. they are literally just watching everyday people walking on the street holding signs. what a sad way to spend your day! the idea that "progressives" are into such an outdated concept like "parades" isn't surprising, because everything they do is regressive.
First of all , who would take their children in any proximity to this mess ?
With all due respect "wonton" evil?
Fucks sake, spell check your shit before you post. You're making us all look bad.
I'm wondering if the spelling errors are on purpose?
There is another way beyond more and more schism. The way has been here for awhile now.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocent_of_Alaska
Remember when that behavior would get someone arrested? Yeah, I remember too.
Randy Levine must've had the day off.
I don't get it, why do they wear shoes but not pants?