This is also why I, a woman, am against women having the vote. Spouses should vote together as a unit, for their family & household. Men & women’s understanding of the roles they’ll take in their marriage should align & they should rely on one another’s advice & guidance.
Too bad 90% of women are doped up on critical gender theory (feminism) and post modernism (men and women are the same! Just like the "society" arguments, men and women are very different and that's a GOOD thing.)
This is even true of many chicks who are not on the left, VERY prominent among the low T men on our side to have many pieces of critical gender theory and post modernism/transhumanist embedded in their views.
For men, it's good to have high testosterone. It let's us be better men. Eat more red meat and lift more heavy things!
For women, this is bad for them.
This alone should lead you to the logical conclusion that men and women are very different, but critical theory is so deeply entrenched in the west that we'll only recover through some very seriously bad times.
An excellent idea. Voting once and together as husband and wife (organic and not contrived). Why didn't the founding fathers think of that when aware that a marital unit (natural and not contrived) is the keystone of a wholesome civilization and society.
I also think that families with more children should get more votes. A family with 6 kids could have 7 votes since they have a big stake in the future, whereas as childless couple might only get 1 vote because they're not (yet) invested in the future of the nation.
That could potentially be a recipe for disaster if it systematically encourages low IQ/income communities to shit out as many rug rats as possible, for a potential tax break, and greater voting power
A family with 6 kids could have 7 votes since they have a big stake in the future, whereas as childless couple might only get 1 vote because they're not (yet) invested in the future of the nation.
Yet somehow by that logic, the titular Father of our country would receive hardly any votes in comparison to men with far more children in spite of being one of the most important people responsible for us even having a country.
This is a terrible idea as men are too easily manipulated by women, not just the simps. Given that many women lean more to the left, most men would just go along to get along with their wives or to keep getting laid.
It can be done with one middle class income, because we are doing that. I'm a machinist, wife stays home and homeschools the kids and works on their faith and manners etc. Kids get lots of play time too. It takes budgeting and being poor. But I think this life is way better than if we had some extra spending money and sent the kids to school.
Dirty Secret: There are plenty of people who spend 8 hours on electronics, soliciting validation online, living with their parents with only a marginal job.
Plenty of young women are on "they phones" hours upon hours a day, sneaking looks at it if at work, living with mom and dad, and 5'3" and 170lb childless and only 23.
Instagram and other attention and validation machines are worse for young women than porn for men, and Instagram and Social Media are much bigger adultery and marriage breaking machines than Porn Hub.
We blame culture, not just women. Yes liberal wine bitches are dumb fucks, BUT have you seen men out there? Our culture turns men into cowardly wimps, because men are taught every day that anyone who fights back is bad person and should be locked up. Aggression gets you locked up, fighting locked up, strong words locked up, you should just turn cheek like a little weepy cuck they say. Some poor patriot just got 12 years prison sentence for damaging a fence, that's America... We are constantly taught to be submissive wimps. And men who are submissive, aren't what women want. Women want strong men of courage.
We have undermined the value of having a family. Media has been generally putting on blast that you should avoid starting a family because you will be sad.
We have provided alternative means for persistent sexual gratification. The constant de-stigmatization of masturbation and promotion of sexual degeneracy has lead to people choosing this rather then put in the effort to procure sexual gratification from a suitable partner.
We have complicated socialization with a large series of filters. The majority of discourse now takes place online; where people can easily be fake as fuck but still utilize others for sexual pleasure. In person interactions are now laced with new red flags from false rape accusations to discovery that "she" is actually a dude and if you don't let "her" peg you...your some kind of social monster.
I got nothing wrong with single folks; only that they should not really be talking about shit they do not understand. No owning a cat is not like raising a kid. I got no issue with people rubbing one out - but you should generally not be wanting to share that fact publicly that you do so...and certainly not rewarded for doing so like in camgirl culture. I got issue with us being so affraid of intimidating victims that we do not question and punish those that might use social pressure to get their way.
Reality is people take the path of least resistance; finding someone special and maintaining a relationship and starting a family is a LOT more work then the above.
A dude watching porn is still a net positive for society wheras a girl not settling down because she wants the .1% perfect dude because she has so many guys messaging her constantly isn't. That's the difference.
Both sexes are definitely guilty of poisoning the well. However I think most men who are walking away are making rational decisions to the women who walked away first. It was feminism that was the first and still the largest dagger that divides the sexes. It is still the driving force of why todays modern western woman is unbearably as a partner. Todays men just figure its not worth the hassle to deal with the these women, and many have checked out of society altogether because western society places a greater importance on women than men. The balance between men and women that has kept together western society for so long has crumbled since the 60's. I'd argue that men's addiction to porn and video games are a result of that. I personally believe its women who has to want to return to the family unit first. The men will follow.
True. US born Latinos and blacks have below replacement fertility. If we secure the border, the problem will eventually solve itself since White conservatives are the only significant group with above replacement fertility levels. Their fertility is also 60% above White liberals. Also, the groups with the highest fertility are White, such as members of anabaptist faiths (Amish, Mennonites, Hutterites etc.) who each have a fertility of above 8.
It's not divorce that needs to be way harder, it's learning how to live cooperatively and recognizing the values of each other in the relationship especially for the sake of the children. If the Clintons can do it surely anyone else can too.
The risk and burden of procreation is high. Deal with it. Choose wisely. Even then something can and does go wrong. In nature it is much more cruel for other species.
Marriage is a state contract; it is not negotiable privately like a business contract. The State creates special courts to only enforce it's special, unamendable contract for marriage called Family Court.
Marriage was considered a BURDEN FOR MEN back in the 1950s and for centuries earlier when there was only consent and At Fault and men had control over discipline and finances. As late as the 1970s men could restrict their wives' access to credit cards and bank accounts and many states still required a husband's permission to work outside the house.
Now marriage is unbearable for Men. They have all the reponsibility but no power to see it through.
Power without Responsibility is Tyranny; but Responsibility without Power is Slavery.
I think you understand better than the -12 people who down dooted me.
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If women can be convinced to show their booty on onlyfans they can also be convinced to be good wives. Be a man and convince them to be good wife and in return you can be the man that they need.
No I am not saying that at all. I am saying as a rational man it's women who need to show men that they are worthy for us to come back. Until then, society will continue to crumble. It's way to risky for us to play this game with one sided family courts and anti rape laws that are designed to put men in prison on a woman's whim.
I agree however most women aren't going to do it on their own. Right now they are listening to voices that call on them to degrade their worth and experience as a woman as a means of self empowerment. They need better and honest voices to listen and follow.
Their psychology is very malleable. If they believe in garbage they will output garbage behavior. If they believe in value they will output valued behavior.
The risk and burden of procreation is high. Deal with it. Choose wisely. Even then something can and does go wrong. In nature it is much more cruel for other species.
In nature, species either actually mate for life or go in knowing it's a one-time affair and it's a clean break after that.
Using the Clintons as an example is most ridiculous. They don't have a marriage, never did. What they have is a business arrangement for their criminal enterprise.
It's still intact, for one. Pretty simple metric there!
If your only metric for "Is a marriage successful or not" is a binary "Yes or No: Have they gotten a divorce", then I guess your logic is hard to argue with.
This. In the 70s and 80s, women who worked 20-30 hours a week still held themselves to doing most of the housework. Today, when I hear young women talk about being a SAHM, they describe a trophy wife's life of raquetball, mani-pedis, delivered meals, etc. Women that realistically have a 1% chance of actually finding a guy who could provide that life for them at best.
The days of raising a family on a single, middle class wage will never return. This does impact men and women's mindsets on having children in this modern age.
This is the culmination of bankers and their puppet politicians destroying the average person's purchasing power. I hope they're all burning in hell.
When women leave the workforce, wages will go back up, but who's going to convince the dumb bitches to give up their "muh careers" and return to making families? America lost the culture war before it even knew it was fighting one.
BULL. How many of our great grandparents had a tiny house with a dirt floor yet managed to raise 13 kids??? They didn’t have cars, washing machines, air conditioning etc. life was HARD and the STRUGGLE built their character and made them tough. Back then there weren’t any safety nets, you chose to live a moral life and work hard, or DIE.
You also had way more purchasing power on a single income to do that. My grandparents had 8 kids and a farm. Land was cheap back then. They lived the American dream on my grandfather's single income, union job. Retired with a pension after 30 years. They lived the retired life for 40+ years.
I bought my first house on a 40k salary in my early twenties, 20 years ago. The same people in my field are still starting out at 40k. There is no way they can afford a house on that salary.
You want to buy a large enough piece of property to have a small self sustaining farm? Goodluck affording that on a single income.
JESUS fckin Christ mate TF wit that doomerist bs STAY THE COURSE MATE ROFL. And
BULL. How many of our great grandparents had a tiny house with a dirt floor yet managed to raise 13 kids??? They didn’t have cars, washing machines, air conditioning etc. life was HARD and the STRUGGLE built their character and made them tough. Back then there weren’t any safety nets, you chose to live a moral life and work hard, or DIE.
Overpopulation is an environmental threat so we must import migrants to work on corporate farms to handle our declining population while any of our opiate addicts that didn't overdose shit all over San Francisco you racists.
Well it turns out the human beings that live and breathe in this country don't need to listen to them. They do need to work on rebuilding their communities and especially work on understanding food security. Since Xiden is only interested in threatening parents with drugging and mutating their kids, clearly we need to lead the charge in fixing this shit.
The media also brainwashes white people by falsely claiming that, white existence causes muh climate change but billions of nonwhites = zero effect on the climate.
It's going to get much much much worse in America. Most men aren't interested in these trash women uber feminist commie authoritarian retards. The good ones left are going to have to do something to stand out cuz men don't seem interested in trying to weed out the 1-5 good ones out of the 100 bad ones.
And the "tradwife" thots on TikTok are just playing make-believe to trick you. A proper trad-wife woman wouldn't be on any social media beyond maybe uploading pics of her hobbies or wholesome vacation/family pics.
Yeah I’m a housewife and mother and I only post here and there are no pics of me or my family online at all. Why would I want to put my life out there like that? What’s the benefit? I don’t care what others have, I don’t need others to envy what I have, I don’t want to show off, it’s all asinine and pointless.
Churches are full of Tradthots, ex-Party Girls, often with out-of-wedlock kids, demanding to be treated as if they are fresh daisies with no past and not other people's kids.
It's funny, when somebody is ex-addicted, they're encouraged to remember the lows, and make restitution for wrongs.
But when they're an ex-sex addict/party girl, everybody is expected to treat them as if their memories and experiences were "Wiped, like with a Cloth" and "Acid Washed".
It used to be an IMMENSE BLESSING for a guy to wife up a single mom. Church and Society recognized it as a big RISK and that the guy was really putting his future in jeopardy. Now it's regarded as a DUTY and HOW DARE YOU REFUSE for a childless man to wife up a single mom former party girl.
Just more of how modern men are expected to do more and get way less and lick it up to boot.
I wouldn’t marry a man with kids and if I had been a single mother I wouldn’t have even tried to find a man to take on the burden of someone else’s kids.
I know a 20 year old who married a girl like 6 years older than him with three kids from two different dads. Blew my freaking mind and I wonder if she’d even bother to have HIS kid so he could have one of his own children instead of raising some other men’s children. Somehow I doubt she will. She’s too busy dumping the kids on him and going out drinking with her friends, then complaining that this military dude isn’t doing enough around the house for her. I wonder how men like this even exist and who would look at her and think “oh yeah what a great wife this chick will be!” Insane.
Even funnier is this leftist couple who adopted two black kids (they’re white of course) and the mother is desperate to make the boy a homo, I’m sure she’s intersex and the husband looks like a sad fat loser with the SSRI stare because this harpy that seems to only take selfies and complain about how racist and evil conservatives are, just had to collect two black kids to virtue signal with.
Scary man. Sad at how many guys really devalue themselves, too. Maybe not the most accomplished, but guys who go to work and try to do the right thing, accepting shitty situations because of their low self-esteem.
For women, not men. A 36 year old man can easily marry a 24 year old woman, no problem.
Marrying women substantially younger than the man was the norm not only for all of Christendom prior to the 20th Century (not at all unusual for 40-year old men to marry 19-year old girls in the 19th), but going back into Classical Greece and Rome.
And birth control. How many babies never happened because most fertile young women are on the pill? Not to mention that the pill changes how women perceive men, causing them to prefer more effeminate males. In other words, they end up mating with men they wouldn't choose when they're in the peak of their natural cycle. Women prefer masculinity during ovulation.
I'm going to toss in another factor: Low male testosterone. It's been declining for decades.
And I'll add an opinionated view as well: Fat women. Men just aren't attracted to fat ass women. I'm not talking about a few pounds overweight. I'm talking about the lard asses who expect to be treated like queens because they color their hair blue.
49s abound, women who are below average Charisma, Looks, and Ability, getting higher value men for a Saturday Night Smash, thinking they can get this for a daytime boyfriend, but it never clicks why they don't.
You're both correct, in different ways. Qpwo's point is the most recent feminist.exe patch, while yours was an older patch to discourage men from going at it the older way (courting, marriage, etc).
No, women happily gave away free sex for the possibility of cash and prizes. Most men are either not having sex at all, or are below 5 in their lifetime. Women are easily able to push multiple 100s by 30.
Women are the gatekeepers of sex: Women gave away sex for the chance of landing a Chad.
Most of the "Muh abusive ex-boyfriend stories" you hear is women lovebombing and sexbombing a Chad who had 6 other girls in his roster, but failing to get him to Commit. 90% of the time, Chad didn't mislead them but told them before a single piece of clothing came off that it was oonly fun time.
Did you miss the stat where 10% of men in their 30s are still virgins? A fraction of men as in maybe 5% sleep around the way the majority of women do. This is a growing issue that people have been talking about as of late. The reason is western women are entitled and have unrealistic standards whereas men have greatly lowered their standards.
Even more than that, it was the feminist movement which told women that being a housewife and raising their children was a waste of their life, but being a barren wageslave to fund a life of vapid consumerism was true fulfillment.
I found a hardcore conservative woman here in KY. She ended up being abusive, sitting around the house mostly doing nothing, and would throw a massive tantrum if she didn't get here way. So being a conservative doesn't necessarily mean they will still be worth a damn.
All that matters is how loyal and agreeable she is. She could be a complete lefty, but if she yields to you for every decision-making it functionally doesn't matter.
Just as too many free men creates chaos (a result of the failure of marriage), too many free women shake the system apart through increased gibs and Communist thought.
It was also the feminist movement (funded by government) which told women that being a housewife and raising their children was a waste of their life, but being a barren wageslave to fund a life of vapid consumerism was true fulfillment.
People aren't having sex because they can't afford to provide for themselves let alone a family. It's all part of the NWO plan. They need to be treated like terrorists and wiped off the face of the planet.
My dad provided for 3 kids and my mom and still retired at 50. Sure he worked hard but also invested at the right time. My generation should have invested in crypto to raise a family. But even then you can only out run communism for so long.
Thanks to eSlut apps like Tindr, it'll only get worse.
Pretty tough to compete against every thug in a fifty mile radius, all of which have been propping up the egos of women who are 6/10 but now think they are 10/10. Even if you're in a serious relationship, she's still keeping these apps on her phone "just in case" or "just to see" and it's basically a 24/7 club where she's the only girl in the room and all the guys are stepping over themselves to talk to her.
Wish it wasn't so. I was lucky enough to grow up in an era before this shit took over the dating scene. The 80/20 rule still applied, but it was extremely localized to social circles and schools. You could still be the "Chad" of your local group and do well, relatively speaking (maybe not the cheerleader stacies, but something besides your right hand could be obtained with a bit of effort).
This is most likely true. That's because 90% of women look like hippos and they now have access to 100% of men. 5% of men will fuck that 90%. Like that math?
It's not like the 80s or 90s when Chubby Charlotte dated Husky Hank.
Chubby Charlotte, a 3, can get a Slick Sam, a 7, on a Sat Night on Tinder to come over and grind it out. She then thinks she's too good for Husky Hank who is her match
You get it. Chubby Charlotte the hippo then becomes a whore as every 7 comes in for quick smash and then goes back out looking for the 7 or even a 6. However; they've all been handicapped to a 10.
Ever try to explain this to a woman that feels fucked over by men on dating apps? It's fun.
Can't disagree that there isn't room for improvement between sexes, but typically that was the point of being in a relationship. Both parties learn to grow together. Now, you better come perfect, complete, and submit. Women are hyper offended by anything that goes against mainstream thinking. That's why you see really soy based passive guys that are cucked in these leftwing areas that are in relationships. You almost can't even be in a relationship in those areas with our politics (assuming we have similar viewpoints on topics.). I had to look far and wide before I found any woman that thought remotely like me. I live in a purple area and work in the tech sector. Most women look disgusting, and fat and nearly all are libtards. The area I found my girl in is in the area not far from the Oliver Anthony Music guy (can't remember his actual name.) Goochland. He wears the shirt saying Goochland in the song.
I haven't, but when you look at the totality it's pretty bad. I'm a pretty decent looking guy, in great shape, and my house is paid for. I worked my ass off. Now think of your average blue collar guy in these purple and blue areas. Their fucked.
Well, someone else talked about the virtue of couples growing and evolving together. My wife and I do not agree on everything but my respect for her and clear articulation of her values and beliefs has caused me to moderate some of my views and for her to do the same. In the areas where there is a wider gulf, we both can articulate the reasons for our respective beliefs and agree to disagree. There is no vitriol, no drama- we are both well reasoned in our positions and that is fine. Very different from the shit show going on the the broader political climate in this country.
If I'm talking to my old lady about contemporary design (stained wood vs gray paint wood work and walls), cars (fullsize v8 vehicle vs crossover vs front wheel drive car) or salty versus sweet, yeah, we can agree to disagree. However; there is no compromise on the type of stuff we talk about here. There is no compromise on gay marriage, transgenderism, abortion, large socialist structures and other forms of government cramdown. I wont have anyone with left wing ideas like that in my life. Fundamentally, that is what I'm talking about and what I believe (can't put words into their mouths) others are talking about on this platform. It's your future generations that ultimately you are trying to raise. I feel sorry for anyone having to live in a hell of walking on egg shells about what kind of values you want to inculcate in their children. That's not a relationship. That's a recipe for disaster if you care anything about your legacy.
My wife supports a woman's right to control her reproductive health. She views it as a matter of personal liberty and points out (correctly) that the notion that life begins at conception is strictly a Christian construct and other faiths differ.
I have come around to believing that this choice is a matter of personal liberty and such an important and momentous decision is better made by the mother than the government. In fact, I find it hypocritical for limited government advocates to view it any other way.
I realize that places me in the minority here. But tough shit. Having autonomy over your body and being free of government control of your reproductive health and freedom is a fundamental right.
I wasn't always that way. But if we can bridge the gap- I am confident we can handle just about anything else that comes up.
Exactly. It was the feminist movement which told women that being a housewife and raising their children was a waste of their life, but being a barren wageslave to fund a life of vapid consumerism was true fulfillment.
Meanwhile Africa has the highest population growth rate on the planet. They've sent trillions of our tax dollars and billions of tons of US produced food to that continent since 1950. They actively cultivate African growth while promoting infertility among us. Those of us who are young are going to see a massive demographic shift in the USA by the end of our lives. America will have a billion people in it by 2060, about half of which will not have been born here.
I think once the diversity hits critical levels, the corruption and poorly-maintained infrastructure will cause everything to completely collapse, since most of the "diversity" is artificially kept alive via handouts, welfare, etc and once that well dries up, watch out.
Like locusts, they'll just spread to the next area until it collapses.
It's actually a huge problem for Africa. Who can compete with free aid? Who can compete with a corrupt paycheck? So the aid keeps them trapped, keeps them from developing their own infrastructure, markets, farms, even governments.
It's welfare-queens on a global scale, and when the welfare stops coming it will be an extremely rough decade - but it's the only way they have a chance.
Africa's rates are now sub replacement, too. Demographics aren't going to matter to anyone when the economy shrivels because we don't have a workforce capable of sustaining constant growth. That means bye-bye investment accounts. Demo collapse will never take hold of our minds until it's too late because it's a generational problem and we are exceptionally terrible at thinking generationally.
There is a reason why Western societies chose patriarchy over matriarchy: it just works. Societies flourish under it. Matriarchy causes weakness, division, and ultimately societal collapse.
America is now a matriarchy, despite having token male "leadership" and we are paying the price.
Women are the majority of voters, the majority of welfare recipients, the main beneficiaries of diversity quotas, the preferred party in any divorce or dispute, etc. They married the government, husbands are obsolete.
Now if government went bankrupt, they would need men again, and would have lots of babies to secure their marriage.
Almost 50% divorce rate where men are treated like piggy banks by the courts with parental rights always defaulting to the woman. It's a bad bet and simple math for men. I'm not down on marriage, I love the idea of marriage....I'm down on how the courts treat men when marriages fail and I'm down on how people treat marriage like extreme dating instead of a lifelong commitment.
Population #s are useless here. Demo collapse = economic contraction. The market keeps going up and up (retirement accounts keep accruing) because of constant growth. If there is no workforce to keep up then growth isn't possible.
He's an incel and you sound like a weak feminist. The middle ground between the 2 is where we should be. Women really should not vote. They don't sign up for the draft, they don't get called to fight on the front lines, they don't work the most dangerous jobs, and almost all women are politically uninformed being able to name all the Kardashians but not their governor.
You don't know my wife, shit stain. She is deeply involved in local and state politics, sits on one of the governor's commissions and introduced our county exec at a function she ran last night.
Her ability to cast an informed ballot has nothing to do with military service. Have you ever served? I have and I can tell you I am in the minority here. Most of these weak cucks who pretend to be tough guys could never hack it in basic training. And I laugh out loud about how they pretend that the military is too "soft" or "effeminate" for a macho guy like them to serve in. And most of these faggots talk a good game but never lift a finger to actually do anything in their communities or in the political realm. My daughter is also politically engaged and has been since she was a teen. And I can guarantee both of them know more about the national political scene than 90% of the emasculated incels that simply cannot hang with an intelligent, beautiful, strong woman. These women haters need to look in the mirror. By-and-large; they are the problem.
Lesbian mom recruitment ads, furry officers in furry suits with their uniform on top, marines surrendering to British Royal Marines and Finnish twice, Navy failing to operate a ship because of too much CRT training in Australia, AF letting pregnant women fly planes, the military sponsoring trans surgeries, Army in high heels for women's suffrage under Obama, Marines forced to get on their knees and surrender their firearms to pirates under Obama.
That sounds pretty effeminate to me, personally. But based on everything you've said in here up to this point, I understand why it isn't for you. Anyone could pass basic nowadays too. Look at who they let in to begin with. They lowered reqs to get more females in the military. Who in their right mind would enlist today? Seriously. Don't forget Afghan 13.
I also never spoke of your wife. I spoke generally and what I said remains true. Why are you so afraid to criticize women the same way men get criticized? Makes a man wonder.
I am not afraid to criticize women. But I am not going to criticize them for being women. How many weeks pregnant are female pilots allowed to fly? Is it different for civilian pilots? I'm guessing that pregnant female pilots are being evaluated by the medical staff pretty frequently as well. Pregnancy is not a disability.
The Navy doesn't let pilots fly yet but the AF does. I hope hormonal pregnant women aren't flying civilian planes either. I don't fly though so I would not know. I drive across the country whenever I can. I've flown twice in my life. I typically drive 1000s of miles for mining projects across the country.
Right. But most real men do not need a wife to be his property to have an enduring marriage. My wife and I have raised successful children. Both of us are accomplished and successful in our respective fields and active and respected in our community. This only happens with a partner who is up to the challenge. You can't get this with another piece of property.
The problem is it's looking for a needle in a needle stack. Especially with the bevy of gals raised by single moms who have seen an army of men come and go as temporary step dads. They have developed a utility view of males. "This one for free rent, this one for "fun", this one for handyman."
And oversocialization, Media, and esp. Social Media has made them into Golden Globe Best Actress winners, so it takes a loooong time and experience to see through any subterfuge.
The dominant model is the Disney Princess / Free Love model of marriage instead of realizing it's a family alliance and a covenant, not a Fairy Tale or Movie.
I don't know. Maybe I have just been lucky. But I tend to have very open and honest value-centric conversations early in relationships and frequently throughout. So far, so good.
A problem caused by the sexual revolution. It's not a good idea to have a lifetime of carefree, child free sex. Also, sex and babies should not be separated from marriage. So many kids now come from single mothers or divorced families
and it has hurt them. They have now grown up and the issues and feelings haven't gone away. Fear of rejection and concern for keeping a marriage together are big issues and it's keeping people from relationships.
Dopamine exhaustion, too, especially for the ladies whose body count used to be 3x higher than what they admitted before dating apps, but now is easily 500% more and probably higher.
It is unaffordable to have children in the United States.
Doing so all but guarantees poverty if you are working class. That is what Make America Great Again means to me. You should be able to work hard and afford a child and a mortgage on one income. This was all a setup by the establishment to keep Americans poor.
No problem. Our unvaxxed, fertile, dumb-as-shit replacements are here from Central/South America. They will work for pennies, think section 8 housing is luxurious, and give zero fucks about politics, their rights, or anything else as long as the electricity is on and the EBT card is full.
Low birth rates can be recovered from in time, and the country will come out better for it culturally as labor is revalued and women return to the home. Economic pains will be temporary. Do not aid their narrative with alarmism, as it only justifies their import of foreign populations.
As long as Japan stays the course in avoiding the deliberate demographic sabotage being done in the US, they'll serve as a good control group demonstrating that the current panic is much ado about nothing.
Extremely difficult to afford children. Crazy mentally ill women. Feminized porn-addicted men. Trashed pair-bonding. Abortion everywhere. Failed marriages and divorce rape everywhere. Faggotry everywhere. Oh no! It must be people not having sex! Certainly nothing the fault of the government and treasonous politicians working for China and WEF.
The avg woman simply isn't wife material anymore. I figure if divorce was way way harder, the nuclear family would stabilize again
This is also why I, a woman, am against women having the vote. Spouses should vote together as a unit, for their family & household. Men & women’s understanding of the roles they’ll take in their marriage should align & they should rely on one another’s advice & guidance.
Too bad 90% of women are doped up on critical gender theory (feminism) and post modernism (men and women are the same! Just like the "society" arguments, men and women are very different and that's a GOOD thing.)
This is even true of many chicks who are not on the left, VERY prominent among the low T men on our side to have many pieces of critical gender theory and post modernism/transhumanist embedded in their views.
For men, it's good to have high testosterone. It let's us be better men. Eat more red meat and lift more heavy things!
For women, this is bad for them.
This alone should lead you to the logical conclusion that men and women are very different, but critical theory is so deeply entrenched in the west that we'll only recover through some very seriously bad times.
An excellent idea. Voting once and together as husband and wife (organic and not contrived). Why didn't the founding fathers think of that when aware that a marital unit (natural and not contrived) is the keystone of a wholesome civilization and society.
You marry to earn a vote. You get one vote as a family
It would have to be like that.
Otherwise, married people would each get a half vote effectively, and single people a full vote.
That would be so much worse, you have no idea.
I also think that families with more children should get more votes. A family with 6 kids could have 7 votes since they have a big stake in the future, whereas as childless couple might only get 1 vote because they're not (yet) invested in the future of the nation.
That could potentially be a recipe for disaster if it systematically encourages low IQ/income communities to shit out as many rug rats as possible, for a potential tax break, and greater voting power
The Somali would have a zillion votes in Minnesota
Yet somehow by that logic, the titular Father of our country would receive hardly any votes in comparison to men with far more children in spite of being one of the most important people responsible for us even having a country.
I like your take. Unit vote.
Yeah, finding a husband used to be about trusting him as the representative of you and the household.
Personally though i just dont think women should be able to vote unless they also have to sign up for the draft.
This is a terrible idea as men are too easily manipulated by women, not just the simps. Given that many women lean more to the left, most men would just go along to get along with their wives or to keep getting laid.
Porn addicted soyfags aren't exactly husband material either.
It wouldn't matter if they were. Women are preferring to blast through their 20's and then refuse to "settle" in their 30's.
Takes two incomes to support a family these days.
It can be done with one middle class income, because we are doing that. I'm a machinist, wife stays home and homeschools the kids and works on their faith and manners etc. Kids get lots of play time too. It takes budgeting and being poor. But I think this life is way better than if we had some extra spending money and sent the kids to school.
Dirty Secret: There are plenty of people who spend 8 hours on electronics, soliciting validation online, living with their parents with only a marginal job.
Plenty of young women are on "they phones" hours upon hours a day, sneaking looks at it if at work, living with mom and dad, and 5'3" and 170lb childless and only 23.
Instagram and other attention and validation machines are worse for young women than porn for men, and Instagram and Social Media are much bigger adultery and marriage breaking machines than Porn Hub.
Social media and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
We should have stopped at USENET. It was fine.
Absolutely right.
Nice username.
Thanks pede, yours is pretty clever too.
Weird how this correlates with Social media, the cancer of the planet.
Right lol this site loves to blame women for failing cohesive relationships but it takes two to tango
We blame culture, not just women. Yes liberal wine bitches are dumb fucks, BUT have you seen men out there? Our culture turns men into cowardly wimps, because men are taught every day that anyone who fights back is bad person and should be locked up. Aggression gets you locked up, fighting locked up, strong words locked up, you should just turn cheek like a little weepy cuck they say. Some poor patriot just got 12 years prison sentence for damaging a fence, that's America... We are constantly taught to be submissive wimps. And men who are submissive, aren't what women want. Women want strong men of courage.
Did you read the rest of the post? He's blaming modern woke culture for making so many men like that.
This is more reality.
Its even simpler then that in 3 easy segments.
We have undermined the value of having a family. Media has been generally putting on blast that you should avoid starting a family because you will be sad.
We have provided alternative means for persistent sexual gratification. The constant de-stigmatization of masturbation and promotion of sexual degeneracy has lead to people choosing this rather then put in the effort to procure sexual gratification from a suitable partner.
We have complicated socialization with a large series of filters. The majority of discourse now takes place online; where people can easily be fake as fuck but still utilize others for sexual pleasure. In person interactions are now laced with new red flags from false rape accusations to discovery that "she" is actually a dude and if you don't let "her" peg you...your some kind of social monster.
I got nothing wrong with single folks; only that they should not really be talking about shit they do not understand. No owning a cat is not like raising a kid. I got no issue with people rubbing one out - but you should generally not be wanting to share that fact publicly that you do so...and certainly not rewarded for doing so like in camgirl culture. I got issue with us being so affraid of intimidating victims that we do not question and punish those that might use social pressure to get their way.
Reality is people take the path of least resistance; finding someone special and maintaining a relationship and starting a family is a LOT more work then the above.
“I got no issue to someone rubbing one out.”
Expect the depopulation to continue with viewpoints like this. Why struggle for the real life cow when the (fake) milk online is free?
This is true, but I'd be willing to bet there are more "good men" out there than women.
A dude watching porn is still a net positive for society wheras a girl not settling down because she wants the .1% perfect dude because she has so many guys messaging her constantly isn't. That's the difference.
A dude watching porn is a net positive on society
Lmfao you're delusional. Porn is part of the problem
Both sexes are definitely guilty of poisoning the well. However I think most men who are walking away are making rational decisions to the women who walked away first. It was feminism that was the first and still the largest dagger that divides the sexes. It is still the driving force of why todays modern western woman is unbearably as a partner. Todays men just figure its not worth the hassle to deal with the these women, and many have checked out of society altogether because western society places a greater importance on women than men. The balance between men and women that has kept together western society for so long has crumbled since the 60's. I'd argue that men's addiction to porn and video games are a result of that. I personally believe its women who has to want to return to the family unit first. The men will follow.
As long as the Red States keep the fertility rate high ... you will beat them at their own game too.
You can't out breed the third world. The border needs to be secured or we will be displaced by politicians bussing in cheap labor
That is why the left has an open border policy. The Democrats will die out in 50 years if they don't let in illegals and give them free stuff.
This has already happened. Look around you.
True. US born Latinos and blacks have below replacement fertility. If we secure the border, the problem will eventually solve itself since White conservatives are the only significant group with above replacement fertility levels. Their fertility is also 60% above White liberals. Also, the groups with the highest fertility are White, such as members of anabaptist faiths (Amish, Mennonites, Hutterites etc.) who each have a fertility of above 8.
Liberals keep aborting their own too
The clot shots are going to hamper even the reddest of states
This. Attacks the ovaries and testes with spike proteins.
You know they cheat at this game right? They have 8 billion voters to pick from.
It's not divorce that needs to be way harder, it's learning how to live cooperatively and recognizing the values of each other in the relationship especially for the sake of the children. If the Clintons can do it surely anyone else can too.
I would like to go into business with you. Let's sign a contract.
The contract states that you will owe me lifetime payments (70% of the time)
Any agreements we make on splitting assets before the contract is signed will be thrown out by the judge (50% of the time)
That I can break the contract with out cause resulting in a 50% payout of business assets to me.
And any ip (kids in this metaphor) we create will go to me 90% of the time.
That's a shit contract. I would not go to business on those terms
I can like you, cooperate with you, and recognize your value, all while recognizing that is a shit contract with huge downsides and almost no upsides
The risk and burden of procreation is high. Deal with it. Choose wisely. Even then something can and does go wrong. In nature it is much more cruel for other species.
No.
Marriage is a state contract; it is not negotiable privately like a business contract. The State creates special courts to only enforce it's special, unamendable contract for marriage called Family Court.
Marriage was considered a BURDEN FOR MEN back in the 1950s and for centuries earlier when there was only consent and At Fault and men had control over discipline and finances. As late as the 1970s men could restrict their wives' access to credit cards and bank accounts and many states still required a husband's permission to work outside the house.
Now marriage is unbearable for Men. They have all the reponsibility but no power to see it through.
Power without Responsibility is Tyranny; but Responsibility without Power is Slavery.
Fix the laws.
(cuck POV)
To the rational man, under your terms the best choice would be to not play the game. We are seeing this in society today.
I think you understand better than the -12 people who down dooted me. ...also... If women can be convinced to show their booty on onlyfans they can also be convinced to be good wives. Be a man and convince them to be good wife and in return you can be the man that they need.
No I am not saying that at all. I am saying as a rational man it's women who need to show men that they are worthy for us to come back. Until then, society will continue to crumble. It's way to risky for us to play this game with one sided family courts and anti rape laws that are designed to put men in prison on a woman's whim.
I agree however most women aren't going to do it on their own. Right now they are listening to voices that call on them to degrade their worth and experience as a woman as a means of self empowerment. They need better and honest voices to listen and follow.
Your logic fails to compute.
Their psychology is very malleable. If they believe in garbage they will output garbage behavior. If they believe in value they will output valued behavior.
In nature, species either actually mate for life or go in knowing it's a one-time affair and it's a clean break after that.
Using the Clintons as an example is most ridiculous. They don't have a marriage, never did. What they have is a business arrangement for their criminal enterprise.
The point is, that was much more successful than the majority of "real" marriages.
By what metric?
It's still intact, for one. Pretty simple metric there!
If your only metric for "Is a marriage successful or not" is a binary "Yes or No: Have they gotten a divorce", then I guess your logic is hard to argue with.
Indeed, because it's correct
Clintons stayed married purely so they could not be compelled to testify against one another
it damn sure wasn't for the benefit of Chelsea Hubble
That's a myth from TV cop shows, there's no such benefit. What there is, is the 5th amendment, testifying would be self incrimination.
Look up spousal privilege. It does exist
Huh, guess I was wrong there.
This. In the 70s and 80s, women who worked 20-30 hours a week still held themselves to doing most of the housework. Today, when I hear young women talk about being a SAHM, they describe a trophy wife's life of raquetball, mani-pedis, delivered meals, etc. Women that realistically have a 1% chance of actually finding a guy who could provide that life for them at best.
The days of raising a family on a single, middle class wage will never return. This does impact men and women's mindsets on having children in this modern age.
This is the culmination of bankers and their puppet politicians destroying the average person's purchasing power. I hope they're all burning in hell.
When women leave the workforce, wages will go back up, but who's going to convince the dumb bitches to give up their "muh careers" and return to making families? America lost the culture war before it even knew it was fighting one.
They don’t do anything for the economy anyway except bloat up the Human Resources positions.
And “journalism,” marketing, and social workers.
All garbage.
Women have ways been part of the workforce throughout history.
BULL. How many of our great grandparents had a tiny house with a dirt floor yet managed to raise 13 kids??? They didn’t have cars, washing machines, air conditioning etc. life was HARD and the STRUGGLE built their character and made them tough. Back then there weren’t any safety nets, you chose to live a moral life and work hard, or DIE.
You also had way more purchasing power on a single income to do that. My grandparents had 8 kids and a farm. Land was cheap back then. They lived the American dream on my grandfather's single income, union job. Retired with a pension after 30 years. They lived the retired life for 40+ years.
I bought my first house on a 40k salary in my early twenties, 20 years ago. The same people in my field are still starting out at 40k. There is no way they can afford a house on that salary.
You want to buy a large enough piece of property to have a small self sustaining farm? Goodluck affording that on a single income.
Make America Great Again
JESUS fckin Christ mate TF wit that doomerist bs STAY THE COURSE MATE ROFL. And
BULL. How many of our great grandparents had a tiny house with a dirt floor yet managed to raise 13 kids??? They didn’t have cars, washing machines, air conditioning etc. life was HARD and the STRUGGLE built their character and made them tough. Back then there weren’t any safety nets, you chose to live a moral life and work hard, or DIE.
Overpopulation is an environmental threat so we must import migrants to work on corporate farms to handle our declining population while any of our opiate addicts that didn't overdose shit all over San Francisco you racists.
Also, Japan.
Well it turns out the human beings that live and breathe in this country don't need to listen to them. They do need to work on rebuilding their communities and especially work on understanding food security. Since Xiden is only interested in threatening parents with drugging and mutating their kids, clearly we need to lead the charge in fixing this shit.
Tell me how what you wrote fixes a fucking thing more than what I wrote.
Okay, so your fix is what here... ? You write like a shill and now you're introducing MGTOW, a bunch of cucks...
So I'm talking food security and you're talking about the FBI gunning people down and a bunch of dudes that don't get laid.
You're not a shill?
And then?
ROFL Jesus FCKIN CHRIST mates, WTAF wit that clown world batshite goin on ROFL smdh
"Let's charge people $160k to birth children!" -- "Why is nobody having children anymore? IMPORT MORE ILLEGALS!"
And then they give tax dollars for illegals to raise their kids. See the coincidence here?
You some kind of coincidence theorist?
The international cuckolding of The West
The media also brainwashes white people by falsely claiming that, white existence causes muh climate change but billions of nonwhites = zero effect on the climate.
Hmmm, how much does an illegal have to pay?
Pay? They get paid.
No one can afford them and they don't have free time anyway.
The Bait and Switch from Hell
It's going to get much much much worse in America. Most men aren't interested in these trash women uber feminist commie authoritarian retards. The good ones left are going to have to do something to stand out cuz men don't seem interested in trying to weed out the 1-5 good ones out of the 100 bad ones.
Go to church.
If there are only trash women in your church then your in the wrong church.
And the "tradwife" thots on TikTok are just playing make-believe to trick you. A proper trad-wife woman wouldn't be on any social media beyond maybe uploading pics of her hobbies or wholesome vacation/family pics.
That brow ridge is on point, pede.
We made a mistake, return to monke.
TikTok girls aren’t wholesome, as you say.
They’re holesome.
Yeah I’m a housewife and mother and I only post here and there are no pics of me or my family online at all. Why would I want to put my life out there like that? What’s the benefit? I don’t care what others have, I don’t need others to envy what I have, I don’t want to show off, it’s all asinine and pointless.
Churches are full of Tradthots, ex-Party Girls, often with out-of-wedlock kids, demanding to be treated as if they are fresh daisies with no past and not other people's kids.
It's funny, when somebody is ex-addicted, they're encouraged to remember the lows, and make restitution for wrongs.
But when they're an ex-sex addict/party girl, everybody is expected to treat them as if their memories and experiences were "Wiped, like with a Cloth" and "Acid Washed".
It used to be an IMMENSE BLESSING for a guy to wife up a single mom. Church and Society recognized it as a big RISK and that the guy was really putting his future in jeopardy. Now it's regarded as a DUTY and HOW DARE YOU REFUSE for a childless man to wife up a single mom former party girl.
Just more of how modern men are expected to do more and get way less and lick it up to boot.
I wouldn’t marry a man with kids and if I had been a single mother I wouldn’t have even tried to find a man to take on the burden of someone else’s kids.
I know a 20 year old who married a girl like 6 years older than him with three kids from two different dads. Blew my freaking mind and I wonder if she’d even bother to have HIS kid so he could have one of his own children instead of raising some other men’s children. Somehow I doubt she will. She’s too busy dumping the kids on him and going out drinking with her friends, then complaining that this military dude isn’t doing enough around the house for her. I wonder how men like this even exist and who would look at her and think “oh yeah what a great wife this chick will be!” Insane.
Even funnier is this leftist couple who adopted two black kids (they’re white of course) and the mother is desperate to make the boy a homo, I’m sure she’s intersex and the husband looks like a sad fat loser with the SSRI stare because this harpy that seems to only take selfies and complain about how racist and evil conservatives are, just had to collect two black kids to virtue signal with.
Amazing the simps out there!
Scary man. Sad at how many guys really devalue themselves, too. Maybe not the most accomplished, but guys who go to work and try to do the right thing, accepting shitty situations because of their low self-esteem.
As you get into your thirties there are fewer and fewer options.
For women, not men. A 36 year old man can easily marry a 24 year old woman, no problem.
Marrying women substantially younger than the man was the norm not only for all of Christendom prior to the 20th Century (not at all unusual for 40-year old men to marry 19-year old girls in the 19th), but going back into Classical Greece and Rome.
Church is the last haven for used up women who want to be saved. Simp city.
You are in the wrong church.
"Doctors warn...." lol.
"Fertility rates dropping...." lol.
Now this new term "sex recession." Holy crap.
It's all propaganda to justify the invasion of America by illegal aliens.
We must outbreed. Survival of the fittest.
Elites don't beat you by having children.
We need to be like blacks. Have 10 kids with no job so the government pays for everything like housing, food, etc.
Except it’s not a “sex recession”
It’s an abortion epidemic that’s the real problem.
And birth control. How many babies never happened because most fertile young women are on the pill? Not to mention that the pill changes how women perceive men, causing them to prefer more effeminate males. In other words, they end up mating with men they wouldn't choose when they're in the peak of their natural cycle. Women prefer masculinity during ovulation.
I'm going to toss in another factor: Low male testosterone. It's been declining for decades.
And I'll add an opinionated view as well: Fat women. Men just aren't attracted to fat ass women. I'm not talking about a few pounds overweight. I'm talking about the lard asses who expect to be treated like queens because they color their hair blue.
All of the above, for sure.
Can't forget toxic feminism too.
Tell women to "work on themselves and their careers" until their egg carton runs empty.
And there is no looksmatch.
49s abound, women who are below average Charisma, Looks, and Ability, getting higher value men for a Saturday Night Smash, thinking they can get this for a daytime boyfriend, but it never clicks why they don't.
Not really, it’s a complete release of women from any classical role or sexual responsibility. Feminism is always the claxon call to Communism.
Naw this started with child support laws and no fault divorce.
You're both correct, in different ways. Qpwo's point is the most recent feminist.exe patch, while yours was an older patch to discourage men from going at it the older way (courting, marriage, etc).
Cant argue with that.
Or maybe the sexual revolution and consequence free sex
That was a byproduct of "empowering" women at the expense of men(literally).
Give a stranger half your income and the power to incarcerate you if you dont comply. See how they treat you.
Did men happily take free sex without the expectation of marriage?
No, women happily gave away free sex for the possibility of cash and prizes. Most men are either not having sex at all, or are below 5 in their lifetime. Women are easily able to push multiple 100s by 30.
Men absolutely took free sex without the expectation of marriage. Shit, men pay prostitutes and watch porn to this day.
Do not put the blame solely on women for where we're at
Women are the gatekeepers of sex: Women gave away sex for the chance of landing a Chad.
Most of the "Muh abusive ex-boyfriend stories" you hear is women lovebombing and sexbombing a Chad who had 6 other girls in his roster, but failing to get him to Commit. 90% of the time, Chad didn't mislead them but told them before a single piece of clothing came off that it was oonly fun time.
The failure in women’s behavior is the result of two degenerate male groups; fuckboys and simps.
Did you miss the stat where 10% of men in their 30s are still virgins? A fraction of men as in maybe 5% sleep around the way the majority of women do. This is a growing issue that people have been talking about as of late. The reason is western women are entitled and have unrealistic standards whereas men have greatly lowered their standards.
Racking up a high count is no accomplishment for women. Got a wet hole? Here comes another notch!
Ive never "taken" free sex in my life. Thats illegal.
There is no way to advantage one sex without disadvantaging the other.
Even more than that, it was the feminist movement which told women that being a housewife and raising their children was a waste of their life, but being a barren wageslave to fund a life of vapid consumerism was true fulfillment.
It’s hard to find a conservative woman. And I live in Florida..
I found a hardcore conservative woman here in KY. She ended up being abusive, sitting around the house mostly doing nothing, and would throw a massive tantrum if she didn't get here way. So being a conservative doesn't necessarily mean they will still be worth a damn.
All that matters is how loyal and agreeable she is. She could be a complete lefty, but if she yields to you for every decision-making it functionally doesn't matter.
The real ones are poor and rarely go out.
low IQ take
You should have gone with the name "RussianTroll25" instead.
Ah yes, another shitlib propaganda take. Bravo.
Sounds like more depressed liberal women with careers, cats, and lots of whine
This is literally all I see on dating apps everywhere. These bitches have lost their minds.
I'm old-school, so if she's on a dating app in the first place I consider that a redflag. No woman goes on these sites "just to meet people"
Travel and fur babies are their priorities.
And getting Drumpf once and for all
"lots of whine" lol
Just as too many free men creates chaos (a result of the failure of marriage), too many free women shake the system apart through increased gibs and Communist thought.
Government created an environment where households require two incomes to survive.
Government created a legal environment where men incur enormous legal and financial risk to marry a woman.
Government created a system that weaponizes the education of children against their parents and spiritual support systems.
Government engineered this outcome. It was not an accident.
It was also the feminist movement (funded by government) which told women that being a housewife and raising their children was a waste of their life, but being a barren wageslave to fund a life of vapid consumerism was true fulfillment.
People aren't having sex because they can't afford to provide for themselves let alone a family. It's all part of the NWO plan. They need to be treated like terrorists and wiped off the face of the planet.
My dad provided for 3 kids and my mom and still retired at 50. Sure he worked hard but also invested at the right time. My generation should have invested in crypto to raise a family. But even then you can only out run communism for so long.
Most women are still having sex. It's men that aren't. 5% of the males fuck 90% of the women.
Thanks to eSlut apps like Tindr, it'll only get worse.
Pretty tough to compete against every thug in a fifty mile radius, all of which have been propping up the egos of women who are 6/10 but now think they are 10/10. Even if you're in a serious relationship, she's still keeping these apps on her phone "just in case" or "just to see" and it's basically a 24/7 club where she's the only girl in the room and all the guys are stepping over themselves to talk to her.
Extremely accurate
Wish it wasn't so. I was lucky enough to grow up in an era before this shit took over the dating scene. The 80/20 rule still applied, but it was extremely localized to social circles and schools. You could still be the "Chad" of your local group and do well, relatively speaking (maybe not the cheerleader stacies, but something besides your right hand could be obtained with a bit of effort).
This is most likely true. That's because 90% of women look like hippos and they now have access to 100% of men. 5% of men will fuck that 90%. Like that math?
It's not like the 80s or 90s when Chubby Charlotte dated Husky Hank.
Chubby Charlotte, a 3, can get a Slick Sam, a 7, on a Sat Night on Tinder to come over and grind it out. She then thinks she's too good for Husky Hank who is her match
You get it. Chubby Charlotte the hippo then becomes a whore as every 7 comes in for quick smash and then goes back out looking for the 7 or even a 6. However; they've all been handicapped to a 10.
Ever try to explain this to a woman that feels fucked over by men on dating apps? It's fun.
I don't think 90% are hippos, but the hippos are still fucking.
Maybe not hippos but definitely one fudge round away from diabetes.
Maybe it's you?
Can't disagree that there isn't room for improvement between sexes, but typically that was the point of being in a relationship. Both parties learn to grow together. Now, you better come perfect, complete, and submit. Women are hyper offended by anything that goes against mainstream thinking. That's why you see really soy based passive guys that are cucked in these leftwing areas that are in relationships. You almost can't even be in a relationship in those areas with our politics (assuming we have similar viewpoints on topics.). I had to look far and wide before I found any woman that thought remotely like me. I live in a purple area and work in the tech sector. Most women look disgusting, and fat and nearly all are libtards. The area I found my girl in is in the area not far from the Oliver Anthony Music guy (can't remember his actual name.) Goochland. He wears the shirt saying Goochland in the song.
Congrats. Glad to see someone taking action rather than simply giving up and jerking off to PornHub.
I haven't, but when you look at the totality it's pretty bad. I'm a pretty decent looking guy, in great shape, and my house is paid for. I worked my ass off. Now think of your average blue collar guy in these purple and blue areas. Their fucked.
Well, someone else talked about the virtue of couples growing and evolving together. My wife and I do not agree on everything but my respect for her and clear articulation of her values and beliefs has caused me to moderate some of my views and for her to do the same. In the areas where there is a wider gulf, we both can articulate the reasons for our respective beliefs and agree to disagree. There is no vitriol, no drama- we are both well reasoned in our positions and that is fine. Very different from the shit show going on the the broader political climate in this country.
If I'm talking to my old lady about contemporary design (stained wood vs gray paint wood work and walls), cars (fullsize v8 vehicle vs crossover vs front wheel drive car) or salty versus sweet, yeah, we can agree to disagree. However; there is no compromise on the type of stuff we talk about here. There is no compromise on gay marriage, transgenderism, abortion, large socialist structures and other forms of government cramdown. I wont have anyone with left wing ideas like that in my life. Fundamentally, that is what I'm talking about and what I believe (can't put words into their mouths) others are talking about on this platform. It's your future generations that ultimately you are trying to raise. I feel sorry for anyone having to live in a hell of walking on egg shells about what kind of values you want to inculcate in their children. That's not a relationship. That's a recipe for disaster if you care anything about your legacy.
My wife supports a woman's right to control her reproductive health. She views it as a matter of personal liberty and points out (correctly) that the notion that life begins at conception is strictly a Christian construct and other faiths differ.
I have come around to believing that this choice is a matter of personal liberty and such an important and momentous decision is better made by the mother than the government. In fact, I find it hypocritical for limited government advocates to view it any other way.
I realize that places me in the minority here. But tough shit. Having autonomy over your body and being free of government control of your reproductive health and freedom is a fundamental right.
I wasn't always that way. But if we can bridge the gap- I am confident we can handle just about anything else that comes up.
He's fucking 90% of the women?
No. He's in that "other" group.
He's in the 95% group? The nerve of some people.
Feminism ends civilizations.
Exactly. It was the feminist movement which told women that being a housewife and raising their children was a waste of their life, but being a barren wageslave to fund a life of vapid consumerism was true fulfillment.
3 kids checking in here. Doing my part.
Well your part now tripled if a third of women will be childless. Get back to work!
Meanwhile Africa has the highest population growth rate on the planet. They've sent trillions of our tax dollars and billions of tons of US produced food to that continent since 1950. They actively cultivate African growth while promoting infertility among us. Those of us who are young are going to see a massive demographic shift in the USA by the end of our lives. America will have a billion people in it by 2060, about half of which will not have been born here.
I think once the diversity hits critical levels, the corruption and poorly-maintained infrastructure will cause everything to completely collapse, since most of the "diversity" is artificially kept alive via handouts, welfare, etc and once that well dries up, watch out.
Like locusts, they'll just spread to the next area until it collapses.
It's actually a huge problem for Africa. Who can compete with free aid? Who can compete with a corrupt paycheck? So the aid keeps them trapped, keeps them from developing their own infrastructure, markets, farms, even governments.
It's welfare-queens on a global scale, and when the welfare stops coming it will be an extremely rough decade - but it's the only way they have a chance.
This is all by design imo
It's a slow motion trainwreck. Homes are old. People are poor. Smart people getting older. Less smart people the more expensive things get.
Africa's rates are now sub replacement, too. Demographics aren't going to matter to anyone when the economy shrivels because we don't have a workforce capable of sustaining constant growth. That means bye-bye investment accounts. Demo collapse will never take hold of our minds until it's too late because it's a generational problem and we are exceptionally terrible at thinking generationally.
It's almost as if there is a plan
I think it's called the Kahlua plan
There is a reason why Western societies chose patriarchy over matriarchy: it just works. Societies flourish under it. Matriarchy causes weakness, division, and ultimately societal collapse.
America is now a matriarchy, despite having token male "leadership" and we are paying the price.
Women are the majority of voters, the majority of welfare recipients, the main beneficiaries of diversity quotas, the preferred party in any divorce or dispute, etc. They married the government, husbands are obsolete.
Now if government went bankrupt, they would need men again, and would have lots of babies to secure their marriage.
As always, government is the problem!
Yep, Matriarchies don't exist because they get crushed by any non-Matriarchy in the area. Or they fall apart.
Get out the Longhouse, people!
Read "The Assemblywomen" by Aristophanes, he called it around 250BC!
Hillary circa 2017: The Future is Female!
Wtf does that even mean?
Men will no longer have any say in how society operates.
Almost 50% divorce rate where men are treated like piggy banks by the courts with parental rights always defaulting to the woman. It's a bad bet and simple math for men. I'm not down on marriage, I love the idea of marriage....I'm down on how the courts treat men when marriages fail and I'm down on how people treat marriage like extreme dating instead of a lifelong commitment.
Check out the new term: "Starter Husband"
Young men are looking are the shrill screaming young white chicks and deciding jerking it to porn is less of a headache.
they are picking the "waifu for laifu" path
"Progress!"
"Feminism!"
Rather sad, since the most important and most feminine thing a woman can do is giving birth
Hey guys! Why is our birthrate falling?
REEEE women deserve to work too!
Abortions!
So you want to be a man/woman? Take these pills and have this surgery! Only side effects are a little case of irreversible infertility.
Hey kids! This is how you have gay sex!
2.1 birthrate is required for population stability. 1.6 is reduction of population in a country/race.
SOLUTION: More sex
it's not required for a population to remain at a particular number throughout history
Population #s are useless here. Demo collapse = economic contraction. The market keeps going up and up (retirement accounts keep accruing) because of constant growth. If there is no workforce to keep up then growth isn't possible.
Can we get some better women? So many are addicted to getting abortions.
Inflation and Feminism are the root causes.
Time to get some wine and break out the Barry White albums. We have much work to do. 🥂🎶💕
Giggity
And you wonder why you are a hopeless incel?????? Perhaps check your self-awareness meter.
He's an incel and you sound like a weak feminist. The middle ground between the 2 is where we should be. Women really should not vote. They don't sign up for the draft, they don't get called to fight on the front lines, they don't work the most dangerous jobs, and almost all women are politically uninformed being able to name all the Kardashians but not their governor.
You don't know my wife, shit stain. She is deeply involved in local and state politics, sits on one of the governor's commissions and introduced our county exec at a function she ran last night.
Her ability to cast an informed ballot has nothing to do with military service. Have you ever served? I have and I can tell you I am in the minority here. Most of these weak cucks who pretend to be tough guys could never hack it in basic training. And I laugh out loud about how they pretend that the military is too "soft" or "effeminate" for a macho guy like them to serve in. And most of these faggots talk a good game but never lift a finger to actually do anything in their communities or in the political realm. My daughter is also politically engaged and has been since she was a teen. And I can guarantee both of them know more about the national political scene than 90% of the emasculated incels that simply cannot hang with an intelligent, beautiful, strong woman. These women haters need to look in the mirror. By-and-large; they are the problem.
Lesbian mom recruitment ads, furry officers in furry suits with their uniform on top, marines surrendering to British Royal Marines and Finnish twice, Navy failing to operate a ship because of too much CRT training in Australia, AF letting pregnant women fly planes, the military sponsoring trans surgeries, Army in high heels for women's suffrage under Obama, Marines forced to get on their knees and surrender their firearms to pirates under Obama.
That sounds pretty effeminate to me, personally. But based on everything you've said in here up to this point, I understand why it isn't for you. Anyone could pass basic nowadays too. Look at who they let in to begin with. They lowered reqs to get more females in the military. Who in their right mind would enlist today? Seriously. Don't forget Afghan 13.
I also never spoke of your wife. I spoke generally and what I said remains true. Why are you so afraid to criticize women the same way men get criticized? Makes a man wonder.
I am not afraid to criticize women. But I am not going to criticize them for being women. How many weeks pregnant are female pilots allowed to fly? Is it different for civilian pilots? I'm guessing that pregnant female pilots are being evaluated by the medical staff pretty frequently as well. Pregnancy is not a disability.
Hormonal pregnant pilots do not need to be in a cockpit or experiencing G-force. And based on the flight suit, it looks pretty late into the pregnancy! https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/06/05/navy-quietly-rolls-out-first-maternity-flight-suits.html
The Navy doesn't let pilots fly yet but the AF does. I hope hormonal pregnant women aren't flying civilian planes either. I don't fly though so I would not know. I drive across the country whenever I can. I've flown twice in my life. I typically drive 1000s of miles for mining projects across the country.
This was ancient English Common Law until about a century or so ago.
When the Puritans and Pilgrims (or for that matter Anglicans or anybody else) came to the US, married women were the property of the Husband.
Right. But most real men do not need a wife to be his property to have an enduring marriage. My wife and I have raised successful children. Both of us are accomplished and successful in our respective fields and active and respected in our community. This only happens with a partner who is up to the challenge. You can't get this with another piece of property.
The problem is it's looking for a needle in a needle stack. Especially with the bevy of gals raised by single moms who have seen an army of men come and go as temporary step dads. They have developed a utility view of males. "This one for free rent, this one for "fun", this one for handyman."
And oversocialization, Media, and esp. Social Media has made them into Golden Globe Best Actress winners, so it takes a loooong time and experience to see through any subterfuge.
The dominant model is the Disney Princess / Free Love model of marriage instead of realizing it's a family alliance and a covenant, not a Fairy Tale or Movie.
I don't know. Maybe I have just been lucky. But I tend to have very open and honest value-centric conversations early in relationships and frequently throughout. So far, so good.
Good call. This is the correct way forward. It's an Ally-for-Life, too many see it as a Romantic Disney Princess Worshipping Marathon.
Women are sinners, just as men are; putting them on a pedestal is a form of idolatry.
I blame dating apps and feminazis. Took all the innocent fun out connecting with someone in the wild. Now people just don't even try.
A problem caused by the sexual revolution. It's not a good idea to have a lifetime of carefree, child free sex. Also, sex and babies should not be separated from marriage. So many kids now come from single mothers or divorced families
and it has hurt them. They have now grown up and the issues and feelings haven't gone away. Fear of rejection and concern for keeping a marriage together are big issues and it's keeping people from relationships.
Dopamine exhaustion, too, especially for the ladies whose body count used to be 3x higher than what they admitted before dating apps, but now is easily 500% more and probably higher.
No one mentioning the spike in death rate? Lockdowns, depression, vaccine, etc.
Yes -- mostly the jab.
It's designed to sterilize people. A lot of people will never have children now -- male and female. Goes to the gonads.
Oh, and telling people they are trans is another sterilization tactic.
It is unaffordable to have children in the United States. Doing so all but guarantees poverty if you are working class. That is what Make America Great Again means to me. You should be able to work hard and afford a child and a mortgage on one income. This was all a setup by the establishment to keep Americans poor.
Tbh we shouldn't need a mortgage either to own a home
No problem. Our unvaxxed, fertile, dumb-as-shit replacements are here from Central/South America. They will work for pennies, think section 8 housing is luxurious, and give zero fucks about politics, their rights, or anything else as long as the electricity is on and the EBT card is full.
Excellent! rub rub rub
Fractional reserve banking collapses if there isn’t enough fresh souls to become debt slaves.
Exactly. They don't care if you all die tomorrow as long as there's a fresh crop of people to steal from.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12461821/Doctors-warn-barreling-fertility-crisis-Japan-one-10-men-30s-VIRGINS-women-childless.html
Low birth rates can be recovered from in time, and the country will come out better for it culturally as labor is revalued and women return to the home. Economic pains will be temporary. Do not aid their narrative with alarmism, as it only justifies their import of foreign populations.
As long as Japan stays the course in avoiding the deliberate demographic sabotage being done in the US, they'll serve as a good control group demonstrating that the current panic is much ado about nothing.
Extremely difficult to afford children. Crazy mentally ill women. Feminized porn-addicted men. Trashed pair-bonding. Abortion everywhere. Failed marriages and divorce rape everywhere. Faggotry everywhere. Oh no! It must be people not having sex! Certainly nothing the fault of the government and treasonous politicians working for China and WEF.
Ban porn.
Hell no. I will never put my hotdog in a woman the size of Lizzo I can’t afford to feed her, she’s to lazy to clean and feed kids.
Plus, they don't put ads out in magazines with attractive women anymore. What's there to spurt to?
AI?