EDIT : Great comment below explains this issue better than I can, with real world example.
I think the appeal to many is that he's a Democrat but holds some based views. They think this makes him more "electable"....We had a similar situation here in Oregon for the last gubernatorial election. Betsy Johnson, a Democrat with some based views, ran as an independent. Many Republicans thought that she would split the Democrat vote, but she actually siphoned votes away from the Republican candidate.
He is the chairman (and I think founder) of this program, and they do great things. This site is mostly anti-vaccine stuff, but also environmental stuff. Not crazy climate change crap (that I’ve seen), but normal environmental safety stuff that conservatives are concerned with.
Any search engine will pull it up. Lots to choose from. He wants corporations that don’t agree with his environmental stances to be forced out of business & has said several looney things.
It's rigged , RFK won't be the Dem candidate in a trial of a million years. The only reason to help him would be to highlight the rigged nature of DNC to base.
But this isn't 2016 ... they don't care if their side cheats. People voting dem now are voting because cheating and criminality and degradation is what they want.
Tl;Dr stupid strategy
Don't be fooled by a wolf in wolf's clothing. He's a bonified Democrat, ideological driven, pro-abortion, climate change alarmist, anti2A scumbag. Has he done some good things? Sure. He got the lead out of gas and cleaned up a heavily polluted river, and he's a critic of the deranged vaccine program. Don't ask him about gender hormones though! Mum will be the word.
Are you saying that you think RFK is going to hurt Biden, not Trump, if RFK runs as an Independent (which is the direction it looks like it’s heading)?
I'm so fucking tired of people dismissing everything with "oh the polls are fake."
Chris Christie used that argument to explain why he only has 2% support from Republicans and now you guys are using it to explain why RFK is doing well with Republicans?
Get real, I've met a lot of Republicans who suck the man's penis just because he isn't completely crazy. How about instead of electing "a sane democrat" we elect a conservative?
I'm old enough to remember when the polls said Trump had a 6% chance of beating Hillary. No one who's voting Trump is suddenly going to say "gee i think I'll vote for rfk instead".
RFK is bad news. A bernie like dem vote split.is a fantasy. He's there as a place for never and reluctant trump voters who won't vote biden to land on and pull support from Trump.
Deep state had gamed this 100 different ways. Trump needs to crush RFK. It's gotta be less socially acceptable than voting Xiden even or we lose.
It's just too easy to say that any information you don't like is "fake news". Then you never have to question your own opinion, and face it, many of the sheeple on this site will do anything in their power to stay uninformed. That's why you see so many posts that are stating a simple fact that get down voted to oblivion but no one attempts to refute the post.
The Dems are conditioned like pavlovian dogs , the trigger words was anti vax science hating. One their media uttered this they could no more vote RFK than they could imagine their bodies into another real gender.
People who are redpilled know that Trump is their best bet.
Exactly. This isnt about them. We are worried about the swing voters going to RFK. Im not worried about the MAGA crowd. We need all the swing voters with us, not throwing their vote away on RFK fantasy land.
Nothing is certain at this point. The deep state/ uniparty is working hard to keep RFK off the ballot, just like Trump, and RFK knows better than anyone how low they will go to stay in power. They will try to kill both RFK and Trump if they can't get them off the ballots. I hope Trump's security is on point.
2024 Democrat voters aren't programmed that way. There are no jaded bernie.bros left. The dem voter of today is completely okay with every fraudulent, criminal and evil thing their team does.
Show me polls of RFK directly compared to Trump. Polling a whole political party is about as useful as saying Biden is polling well with Democrats, which tells me nothing about how Biden is polling against Trump.
Im not sure if that poll exist. We need as many votes as possible to beat the DNC Cheat Machine. So even losing 5% to RFK could be very not good.
Among those voters supporting Trump in the Republican primary, 68 percent say they are firmly set on Trump no matter what happens leading up to the Republican primary, while 29 percent say they might change their candidate choice depending on what happens leading up to the Republican primary.
But that’s also not entirely true because DeSantis/Pence/not-Trump whoever isn’t literally taking away ~30% of Trumps vote just because they’re polling at ~30% in the Republican primary.
This. Mitt Romney and his hardcore RINO brevren are so retarded they actually believe they are the moral conscience of the party. Incredible but true ! This is 5 percent of the party and it matters as the swing vote after people with a mind vote for trump will be counted against million of dem zombie votes.
As Abraham Lincoln would have said we are now gathered here in a great contest to determine whether any pool of RINO retardation so deep can be swing towards RFKs fake protest values for bitter McCain Romney type war OR towards the salvation of the Republic be shamed into a walk towards reason by not voting to renew Biden diaper for term 2 and voting bad.man orange.
Probably the most effective tactic would be to tell them a vote for Biden or rfk will make it clear to the world they are homosexual. This unresolved anxiety seems to be the other half of the Romney type persona.
The interesting takeaway from the data is that Republican are informed; their RFK favorability is largely the same in every poll.
Democrats have +/- 30 percent in net favorability depending on who's polling. That's crazy variability. It shows the party is fractured, with the part that gets their news from mainstream propaganda really hating RFK, and those who are actually informed liking him (which liberals should based on his views).
Yes exactly. (R) know something about RFK and thats why they like him some. (D) just heard whatever CNN is tells them.
But I think RFK is also careful to present a certain image of himself and (R) dont know about some less favorable aspects which are actually deal breakers for them.
I think they pretty well know his positions, but R favorability doesn't mean they want him as President.
RFK isn't anywhere near Carter levels, but he comes from the same place of actually wanting to do good but also not somebody who should be President. Like I want him out there cleaning up lakes and superfund sites not putting solar panels on the White House.
Because complete dumbfucks think doing dumbfuck things like voting for a democrat who they like on one issue somehow makes them smart. The right is full of these people, unfortunately.
That's the long and short of it. Just look at the "vote harder" dumbfucks. They aren't just shills and trolls here. I know real people who actually think not voting is, somehow, a principled stand. It's, literally, the stupidest thing someone can do, politically, and they think it makes them principled, somehow.
No one here is not voting Trump. No need for warning. Rs not voting Trump are not voting Biden so their votes are useless. Where we can help is convincing Rs that don't like Trump that they are wrong I do it almost every day if I convince one before the general. I will be happy.
Convincing rino loving anti Trump gope is a waste of time in my opinion. U Trump will get a larger percentage of the minority vote and many independents. Still wonder how the dims will get more than the 85 million trump gets. I am skeptical of the cheat states.
RINOs voting never trumps can vote for Trump if the alternative is voting for Biden Xiden and he's literally demented and saying on TV they are scum... they'll hold their nose and vote for not Biden trump. Rfk exists to draw those binary Compromise vote.
It's bad news. Trump needs a nickname branding to sweep the lying fake RFK off the board. RFK should be labeled as the nutjob who will put you in prison for not buying an EV and bleeding heart financial collapse and give every illegal your property as reparations.
Rfk stand for America last on education too ... a complete abject bitch of pedo teachers unions grooming and abusing your kids. Every program against the family and supreme court communism he supports.
And you sound like the kind of brainstem-only political infant that only has one response to anything that challenges him. If I mentioned Ukraine in any context you'd probably be calling me a "Putin lover."
Learn a new insult you basement dwelling fish sucker.
Why would we trust any polls right now? Or literally ever?
The polls are literally massively tilted in Biden's favor to make the steal more believable. The polls are designed to manipulate you, and you are being manipulated by them right now.
Are you here on Patriots.win to preach that polls are believable and accurate?That they are not manipulated drastically to fulfill an agenda? Cause you're going to have a hard time.
The polls are FAKE and they are MANIPULATED to CONTROL YOUR EXPECTATIONS.
Ignore them completely. Always assume we are 10 points behind.
Polling has become universally corrupt. It is almost completely worthless in the modern age where we have real time analytical data from people's social media behavior. There is no way that Biden is polling at the level he is with Democrats. The rigging there necessary to set up the steal is a major part of the problem. We shouldn't quote polls. We should point out how fake they are at every opportunity and back it up with math
Same, but in this case it is likely correct that RFK has more Republican support. We've seen this bullshit many times; Republicans are ever eager to sacrifice their principles, and Democrats always toe the Party line.
I have a Republican friend who fucking loves RFK. I think the appeal to many is that he's a Democrat but holds some based views. They think this makes him more "electable". It's the same logic that gave us all the RINOs we have had in office for decades. The Democrats fucking hate RFK though, so it is no surprise that he is getting more Republican support.
We had a similar situation here in Oregon for the last gubernatorial election. Betsy Johnson, a Democrat with some based views, ran as an independent. Many Republicans thought that she would split the Democrat vote, but she actually siphoned votes away from the Republican candidate. I knew this would happen, and the same friend I mentioned above who loves RFK voted for Betsy Johnson. The Democrats hated her and Republicans supported her because she was more "electable" as a Democrat who supported a few of their positions.
One thing about Democrats is that they tow the Party line and vote for who they are told, every time. Republicans seem to think that "compromise" candidates are the secret to success, an idea that has failed repeatedly over the decades, yet they still cling to it. They are willing to sacrifice their principles for the ridiculous hope that doing so will enable them to at least get some of what they want. This is why we lose.
It isn't that he has some based views, though it looks like he does. RFK's real appeal is that he doesn't appear to hate us. At the current moment, he appears to be the least-bad Democrat candidate by a large margin.
That's a part of it for sure. Republicans have some strange need for validation from their political opponents, and RFK hits those feels. It's all by design. I firmly believe that the whole motive here is siphoning non-Democrat votes, just as was done in Oregon. I don't think he ever intended to run as a Democrat. He'll switch to third party before the primaries.
The primary problem with the Republican Party is that the vast majority of Republicans are not like the people on this forum. The Republican Party honestly doesn't have very many "hard right" voters. We're essentially a big tent party where most of the voters are centrists and center right people who all think that we're weirdos or "too crazy."
I cannot tell you how many Republicans I've met in real life who constantly talk about wanting "moderate candidates," glorifying people in the center, or complaining about "extremism" and "partisanship." And then when they get the moderate centrist they keep talking about, they complain about him not be willing to stand up against affirmative action or the abortion lobby.
Republicans will not accept that "centrist candidates" are basically just spineless cowards who talk about "how divisive our country has become" because it sounds nice and they think everybody will like it. But they have no plans on fixing any real issues with our society once they get into office because that's what centrism is... Centrism means you like the way society is right now and have no plans to change it.
So when you vote for a centrist, you are voting for the status quo. You are voting for nothing to change.
We had a similar situation here in Oregon for the last gubernatorial election. Betsy Johnson, a Democrat with some based views, ran as an independent. Many Republicans thought that she would split the Democrat vote, but she actually siphoned votes away from the Republican candidate.
Thank you for sharing all of this , very appreciated and well explained.
that's a good threat, because it'll split Democratic party in half. He should do it btw, otherwise they have no reason to have a primary... just gonna steal for Joe Biden again. Hillary did same shit to Bernie.
The thing is, Trump is not going to mandate vaccines on us. Yes he's not openly anti-vax but as far as I'm concerned, as long as he's willing to fight against the mandates that's good enough.
He's a Democrat who disagrees with a few of the Democrat policies and positions, which makes him a pariah among Democrats and a savior to Republicans. It's fucked up, and it's a big reason why our country is swirling down the drain.
Exactly, he is a more a classical dem in his opinion but he is not corrupted and he is good on big pharma and the war machine.
Rather him than Chris Crispy, or demented Joe.
I disagree. Democrats toe the party line and the misleadia has already programmed their useful idiots to hate RFK. I know a lot of Democrats and I don't know a single one who supports RFK or even holds a favorable opinion of him. They despise him as much as they despise any Republican. He won't be taking away any significant number of Democrat votes.
yep, unfortunatly some very loud people here are trying very harding to make this into the rightwing version of the leftist cult.
Why can't we just admit that we perfer Trump but compared to Rino/Dino then he would be a really good candidate.
Exactly. I don’t vote for democrats or republicans. I vote for me and my children. I voted Trump in both elections for this reason. The dnc and rnc can both fucking burn for all I care.
Yep. Have to take the rough with the smooth. I don't even agree with Trump on every issue. If it was just a matter of big pharma policy, I'd vote for RFK over Trump.
People who make money on "environmental causes" are some of the most corrupt, grifting shits I've ever met. And there's a fuckton of heroin users in this group. I'm not shocked at all.
I think you should do some research into what he actually has done in the "environmental " field. We are not talking about WEF stuff like 15 min cities or taxing the shit out of fuel. We aare talking more in terms of stopping big businesses from polluting lakes
I am just pointing out that grouping all "environmental causes" into 1 bucket and calling them all corrupt is maybe not good approach.
Sure, you have a lot coruption especially from big goverment and establishment dems but everything related to enviromental cuases is not corrupt. But there are people who are in it becuase they believe in the cause.
Can’t speak for everyone but it was never Trump vs RFK jr. I’ve said it before but I’ll write in Trump if i have to (but not likely since I’m in NC)
What RFK jr is bringing to the table is a NEW position that is anti big pharma and the fake “safety” data behind vaccines, and im not just talking about the jab. No one else is walking into the vipers den with this issue.
Let me be clear, I'd never vote for the guy, Trump 2024 only.
That being said it's simple. He is the only democrat openly talking about one of the biggest crimes against humanity. I'm very much convinced that covid and the vax death toll numbers will eventually dwarf the holocaust.
This does not mean we'd vote for him, but we very much appreciate a voice of truth in a sea of lies.
I personally know Republicans that love RFK and will likely vote for him when he runs as an independent, this despite the fact that he lines up with the Democrats almost across the board on policies. If you think he's going to get that kind of support from Democrats you are delusional.
Pretty much. They are the same Republicans who gave us decades of RINOs who have destroyed our republic. Always eager to sacrifice their principles under the guise of "compromise" even after seeing the disastrous results for years.
No, they don't know it. They like his positions on one issue and they don't look any further. And the MSM won't enlighten them, because he's running as a spoiler for Trump.
Don't forget that he's seeking to EXPAND the welfare state at a time when we're 32 TRILLION in debt, with 75% of that spending already going to our existing welfare state. We now have a 130% Debt to GDP ratio and almost a 1 trillion dollar interest payment.
And don't forget the damage our Marxist welfare state does culturally. It creates 1 parent families which in turn produce unruly children and it creates state dependent morons. It is MADNESS to suggest we even need to maintain current welfare state spending, let alone adding more.
The only reason our side should like RFK is to applaud the votes he's taking from Democrats. Period.
This isn't the 60s black women aren't going to vote for a Kennedy because they fantasize about hooking up with a boyfaced white guy from Massachusetts. RFK is for white people who think they are smarter and better than everyone because they actually tried to read the the hack job book Profiles in Courage in high school or some shit. Like Romney and Kieth oberman, except dems won't because party told them not Vax denier ! ...to and Republicans might because never trump feels.
RFK is anti-war and a lot of people on the Trump train are anti-war. RFK probably polls high with new Republicans who switched over because of Biden but aren't really conservative. He won't make it to the general election so he won't take anything from Trump or any Republican. The Democrat establishment would never let him get even a single delegate...I doubt it. Like look at all the trouble they went to get Tulsi out completely, and now Bernie is sucking off the war machine just like the rest of them.
He's way better than Gaetz in pulling votes, far worse than Gaetz in ideology.
But we have to deal with the reality and most voters have no clue. Kennedy is well known and a celebrity, Gaetz is hated by half of Republicans and all Democrats.
Even though Kennedy has some really shit views, as VP he won't be driving policy.
I agree with your assessment that this ticket would scare the bejesus out of the left and Democrats.
I would love for Trump to announce him as a vice presidential pick and the media would go crazy melt down insane!
I like that Congress lady Harriet Hageman out of Wyoming. She’s a pistol! Trump should talk to her.
I could see some switching over in the primaries to try to upset their apple cart (although it's the most rigged). But cmon folks, it's Trump all the way!
RFK is a one trick dog faces pony soldier. He's the Ralph Nader of Vax. Trying to make a whole career on seatbelts while pushing Democrat communism on everything else.
In 8 polls RFK does better with (R) than (D). He's not running against Biden (no chance), he's running to spoil things for Trump.
Polling data
https://patriots.win/p/17r9Ri134T/rfk-will-cost-trump-votes-if-he-/c/
EDIT : Great comment below explains this issue better than I can, with real world example.
https://patriots.win/p/17r9RjAXFk/x/c/4TxilUqs6pk
I believe polling as much as I believe results from voting machines.
Correct answer.
People like him because he’s a sane Democrat that seems to mostly actually care:
He is the chairman (and I think founder) of this program, and they do great things. This site is mostly anti-vaccine stuff, but also environmental stuff. Not crazy climate change crap (that I’ve seen), but normal environmental safety stuff that conservatives are concerned with.
He’s a Democrat, but a sane one.
Not sane…on record saying climate change deniers should be imprisoned. Is also anti 2A….he’s a fucking faggot like the rest of those assclowns
Our expectation of 'sane' Democrats is pretty low at the moment considering how off the rails they've went the last 20 years
Climate change is a control mechanism and anti-2A is the building block for tyranny
Source?
He has said it when he was a guest on Glenn Beck, and he replays it often. Go to the Blaze and see. RFK is a nut.
I’ll check it out.
Any search engine will pull it up. Lots to choose from. He wants corporations that don’t agree with his environmental stances to be forced out of business & has said several looney things.
Ok I’ll check it out
Yeah any search engine will pull up Trump being indicted, but what does it actually mean
Which is why if you want to support him, you have to infiltrate the democrat primaries. Very possible in some states with open primaries.
Democrats don’t door knock they just fill out your ballot and drop it off in your name
They just want to make sure you’re not disenfranchised!
It's rigged , RFK won't be the Dem candidate in a trial of a million years. The only reason to help him would be to highlight the rigged nature of DNC to base.
But this isn't 2016 ... they don't care if their side cheats. People voting dem now are voting because cheating and criminality and degradation is what they want. Tl;Dr stupid strategy
That's enough for me NOT to vote for him.
Don't be fooled by a wolf in wolf's clothing. He's a bonified Democrat, ideological driven, pro-abortion, climate change alarmist, anti2A scumbag. Has he done some good things? Sure. He got the lead out of gas and cleaned up a heavily polluted river, and he's a critic of the deranged vaccine program. Don't ask him about gender hormones though! Mum will be the word.
Even if it's a lie - the point of RFK is to hurt Trump, not Biden
RFK is going to hurt Biden, not Trump. They are going to Bernie RFK and piss his voters off to vote for Trump, or stay home.
Are you saying that you think RFK is going to hurt Biden, not Trump, if RFK runs as an Independent (which is the direction it looks like it’s heading)?
In 8 polls (D) voters dont care for RKF. They are Ridin With Biden.
In 8 polls it is (R) voters who say they like RFK.
https://media.patriots.win/post/L69YYnPjOLW8.png
We need all of these swing voters for Trump & MAGA, not drifting off into RFK's fantasy land.
The polls are fake to hide what people really think of Biden.
The old school Democrats who are Kennedy fans are going to vote for RFK.
People who are redpilled know that Trump is their best bet.
I'm so fucking tired of people dismissing everything with "oh the polls are fake."
Chris Christie used that argument to explain why he only has 2% support from Republicans and now you guys are using it to explain why RFK is doing well with Republicans?
Get real, I've met a lot of Republicans who suck the man's penis just because he isn't completely crazy. How about instead of electing "a sane democrat" we elect a conservative?
I'm old enough to remember when the polls said Trump had a 6% chance of beating Hillary. No one who's voting Trump is suddenly going to say "gee i think I'll vote for rfk instead".
RFK is bad news. A bernie like dem vote split.is a fantasy. He's there as a place for never and reluctant trump voters who won't vote biden to land on and pull support from Trump.
Deep state had gamed this 100 different ways. Trump needs to crush RFK. It's gotta be less socially acceptable than voting Xiden even or we lose.
It's just too easy to say that any information you don't like is "fake news". Then you never have to question your own opinion, and face it, many of the sheeple on this site will do anything in their power to stay uninformed. That's why you see so many posts that are stating a simple fact that get down voted to oblivion but no one attempts to refute the post.
The Dems are conditioned like pavlovian dogs , the trigger words was anti vax science hating. One their media uttered this they could no more vote RFK than they could imagine their bodies into another real gender.
There's no such thing as monolithic "polls." It entirely depends on the poll, what it's about, and when.
Dismissing something wholesale isn't critical thinking. There is still value in a lot of polling, with critical thinking.
Exactly. This isnt about them. We are worried about the swing voters going to RFK. Im not worried about the MAGA crowd. We need all the swing voters with us, not throwing their vote away on RFK fantasy land.
Nothing is certain at this point. The deep state/ uniparty is working hard to keep RFK off the ballot, just like Trump, and RFK knows better than anyone how low they will go to stay in power. They will try to kill both RFK and Trump if they can't get them off the ballots. I hope Trump's security is on point.
RFK has to survive up to the election.
That does not mean Republicans are more likely than Democrats to vote for RFK in a D vs. R vs. I matchup.
Then go knock on more doors than him retard. His people are campaigning hard. GOP is almost absent.
His party killed his father.
No way RFK is a loyal D. No way.
It's something else.
Well, his dad was a socialist, civil rights activist POS, so you really can't blame them, though I don't think SIrhan Sirhan was a Democrat...
2024 Democrat voters aren't programmed that way. There are no jaded bernie.bros left. The dem voter of today is completely okay with every fraudulent, criminal and evil thing their team does.
Sounds like you know some.
Not all of them. Probably only 50% of them.
How does he hurt Trump by running as Democrat? This is literally stupid now.
Every election there is swing voters who change sides. Registered Democrats voted for Trump.
Every election candidates fight hard for these swing voters.
Look at the polling. (R) likes him and (D) doesnt.
https://media.patriots.win/post/L69YYnPjOLW8.png
Show me polls of RFK directly compared to Trump. Polling a whole political party is about as useful as saying Biden is polling well with Democrats, which tells me nothing about how Biden is polling against Trump.
Im not sure if that poll exist. We need as many votes as possible to beat the DNC Cheat Machine. So even losing 5% to RFK could be very not good.
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3878
RFK gives "mad swing voters" a place to cast their "protest vote" and "vote of conscience".
But that’s also not entirely true because DeSantis/Pence/not-Trump whoever isn’t literally taking away ~30% of Trumps vote just because they’re polling at ~30% in the Republican primary.
This. Mitt Romney and his hardcore RINO brevren are so retarded they actually believe they are the moral conscience of the party. Incredible but true ! This is 5 percent of the party and it matters as the swing vote after people with a mind vote for trump will be counted against million of dem zombie votes.
As Abraham Lincoln would have said we are now gathered here in a great contest to determine whether any pool of RINO retardation so deep can be swing towards RFKs fake protest values for bitter McCain Romney type war OR towards the salvation of the Republic be shamed into a walk towards reason by not voting to renew Biden diaper for term 2 and voting bad.man orange.
Probably the most effective tactic would be to tell them a vote for Biden or rfk will make it clear to the world they are homosexual. This unresolved anxiety seems to be the other half of the Romney type persona.
The interesting takeaway from the data is that Republican are informed; their RFK favorability is largely the same in every poll.
Democrats have +/- 30 percent in net favorability depending on who's polling. That's crazy variability. It shows the party is fractured, with the part that gets their news from mainstream propaganda really hating RFK, and those who are actually informed liking him (which liberals should based on his views).
Yes exactly. (R) know something about RFK and thats why they like him some. (D) just heard whatever CNN is tells them.
But I think RFK is also careful to present a certain image of himself and (R) dont know about some less favorable aspects which are actually deal breakers for them.
I think they pretty well know his positions, but R favorability doesn't mean they want him as President.
RFK isn't anywhere near Carter levels, but he comes from the same place of actually wanting to do good but also not somebody who should be President. Like I want him out there cleaning up lakes and superfund sites not putting solar panels on the White House.
It is impossible to like Biden
Correct. Peeling off the Joe Rogan voters.
Because complete dumbfucks think doing dumbfuck things like voting for a democrat who they like on one issue somehow makes them smart. The right is full of these people, unfortunately.
That's the long and short of it. Just look at the "vote harder" dumbfucks. They aren't just shills and trolls here. I know real people who actually think not voting is, somehow, a principled stand. It's, literally, the stupidest thing someone can do, politically, and they think it makes them principled, somehow.
No one here is not voting Trump. No need for warning. Rs not voting Trump are not voting Biden so their votes are useless. Where we can help is convincing Rs that don't like Trump that they are wrong I do it almost every day if I convince one before the general. I will be happy.
Convincing rino loving anti Trump gope is a waste of time in my opinion. U Trump will get a larger percentage of the minority vote and many independents. Still wonder how the dims will get more than the 85 million trump gets. I am skeptical of the cheat states.
RINOs voting never trumps can vote for Trump if the alternative is voting for Biden Xiden and he's literally demented and saying on TV they are scum... they'll hold their nose and vote for not Biden trump. Rfk exists to draw those binary Compromise vote.
It's bad news. Trump needs a nickname branding to sweep the lying fake RFK off the board. RFK should be labeled as the nutjob who will put you in prison for not buying an EV and bleeding heart financial collapse and give every illegal your property as reparations.
Rfk stand for America last on education too ... a complete abject bitch of pedo teachers unions grooming and abusing your kids. Every program against the family and supreme court communism he supports.
Repeat this every time the name rfk is mentioned.
Pedo teachers union bitch. speech gulags.
If RFK is ANY kind of threat to Trump, he will get a vicious, withering, nickname and trump will bludgeon him with it day and night.
Remember that time when a CNN anchor accidentally called hillary "crooked hillarr" on air. That was awesome.
Bill Clinton described Trump as a "master brander." He is.
We don't need warnings retard. We're all voting for Trump here. (Aside from the glowies and Bill Mitchell)
Stop wasting energy shidding and farding about RFK.
"We're all voting for Trump"
"You sound like a gay Democrat"
And you sound like the kind of brainstem-only political infant that only has one response to anything that challenges him. If I mentioned Ukraine in any context you'd probably be calling me a "Putin lover."
Learn a new insult you basement dwelling fish sucker.
I disagree. As a third party candidate he would hurt Biden much worse than Trump
The polling indicates (R) likes him more than (D)
https://media.patriots.win/post/L69YYnPjOLW8.png
Why would we trust any polls right now? Or literally ever?
The polls are literally massively tilted in Biden's favor to make the steal more believable. The polls are designed to manipulate you, and you are being manipulated by them right now.
Polls are usually only wrong by like 1-5%. They are rarely wrong by a huge margin.
Are you here on Patriots.win to preach that polls are believable and accurate?That they are not manipulated drastically to fulfill an agenda? Cause you're going to have a hard time.
The polls are FAKE and they are MANIPULATED to CONTROL YOUR EXPECTATIONS. Ignore them completely. Always assume we are 10 points behind.
Polling has become universally corrupt. It is almost completely worthless in the modern age where we have real time analytical data from people's social media behavior. There is no way that Biden is polling at the level he is with Democrats. The rigging there necessary to set up the steal is a major part of the problem. We shouldn't quote polls. We should point out how fake they are at every opportunity and back it up with math
I agree polls are bogus but also consider this
even if the polling is fake it means someone is trying to make (R) voters like RFK
why would dems go for rfk? in their mind biden beat trump and has a better chance to win again.
there is a segment of (R) voters who dont like trumps personality even if they like some of his policies, RFK provides them an "out"
Same, but in this case it is likely correct that RFK has more Republican support. We've seen this bullshit many times; Republicans are ever eager to sacrifice their principles, and Democrats always toe the Party line.
Like when they said Trump had a 6% chance of winning against Hillary?
I have a Republican friend who fucking loves RFK. I think the appeal to many is that he's a Democrat but holds some based views. They think this makes him more "electable". It's the same logic that gave us all the RINOs we have had in office for decades. The Democrats fucking hate RFK though, so it is no surprise that he is getting more Republican support.
We had a similar situation here in Oregon for the last gubernatorial election. Betsy Johnson, a Democrat with some based views, ran as an independent. Many Republicans thought that she would split the Democrat vote, but she actually siphoned votes away from the Republican candidate. I knew this would happen, and the same friend I mentioned above who loves RFK voted for Betsy Johnson. The Democrats hated her and Republicans supported her because she was more "electable" as a Democrat who supported a few of their positions.
One thing about Democrats is that they tow the Party line and vote for who they are told, every time. Republicans seem to think that "compromise" candidates are the secret to success, an idea that has failed repeatedly over the decades, yet they still cling to it. They are willing to sacrifice their principles for the ridiculous hope that doing so will enable them to at least get some of what they want. This is why we lose.
It isn't that he has some based views, though it looks like he does. RFK's real appeal is that he doesn't appear to hate us. At the current moment, he appears to be the least-bad Democrat candidate by a large margin.
That's a part of it for sure. Republicans have some strange need for validation from their political opponents, and RFK hits those feels. It's all by design. I firmly believe that the whole motive here is siphoning non-Democrat votes, just as was done in Oregon. I don't think he ever intended to run as a Democrat. He'll switch to third party before the primaries.
Exactly this. Timeline :
RFK would know from the jump the DNC would never let him in.
We all know that.
Which means...he's NOT establishment and CAN'T be bought.
Those are stellar credentials.
Still voting Trump.
My dream is he's Trump's VP.
You summed it up very well...
The primary problem with the Republican Party is that the vast majority of Republicans are not like the people on this forum. The Republican Party honestly doesn't have very many "hard right" voters. We're essentially a big tent party where most of the voters are centrists and center right people who all think that we're weirdos or "too crazy."
I cannot tell you how many Republicans I've met in real life who constantly talk about wanting "moderate candidates," glorifying people in the center, or complaining about "extremism" and "partisanship." And then when they get the moderate centrist they keep talking about, they complain about him not be willing to stand up against affirmative action or the abortion lobby.
Republicans will not accept that "centrist candidates" are basically just spineless cowards who talk about "how divisive our country has become" because it sounds nice and they think everybody will like it. But they have no plans on fixing any real issues with our society once they get into office because that's what centrism is... Centrism means you like the way society is right now and have no plans to change it.
So when you vote for a centrist, you are voting for the status quo. You are voting for nothing to change.
Thank you for sharing all of this , very appreciated and well explained.
he's running as Democrat, that splits Democrats not Republicans.
Not this year. There are a lot of stupid Republicans out there who have been drinking the koolaid about Trump.
Dems dont like him, so they wont vote for him.
(R) do like him, he will pull (R) swing voters.
DNC will block him out and he's talking running 3rd party.
that's a good threat, because it'll split Democratic party in half. He should do it btw, otherwise they have no reason to have a primary... just gonna steal for Joe Biden again. Hillary did same shit to Bernie.
Are you intentionally ignoring that he is more popular with Republicans than democrats or are you just illiterate?
You are 100% right. RFK is well known in democratic circles as an anti-vaxing conspiracy theorist. He'll pull way more Republican votes than Democrat.
RFK Jr is pro-truly-safe-vax.
no such thing exists.
sure it does, just not anymore. not with big pharma.
all vaccines are junk science. all of them. They always cause more harm than good.
The thing is, Trump is not going to mandate vaccines on us. Yes he's not openly anti-vax but as far as I'm concerned, as long as he's willing to fight against the mandates that's good enough.
You are correct, he is running to pull votes from Trump. The naive dipshits thinking this is good for us because it hurts Biden are gravely mistaken.
Isn't he also anti-2A?
Just imagine KNOWING that your government killed your uncle, and still being anti self defense.
^^^^^^^
This pede gets it!
I can't imagine that, which is why I think there's something else exciting brewing.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4072813-rfk-jr-argues-gun-control-cannot-meaningfully-reduce-gun-violence/
not coming for your guns
He said he would support an assault weapons ban in the article.
That's what they all say.
Yeah even Trump is coming for them
yes
He's a Democrat who disagrees with a few of the Democrat policies and positions, which makes him a pariah among Democrats and a savior to Republicans. It's fucked up, and it's a big reason why our country is swirling down the drain.
Democrats: "he doesn't share 100% of my views so I don't want him!" Republicans: "he only says three or four anti-American things so I love him!" 🙄
That about sums it up.
Yes.
He is a Democrat with some populist positions who happens to be anti vax. He's anti vax across the board but that includes covid anti-vax.
He's against the war in Ukraine.
Therefore, some of his policy positions overlap with R mainstream policy positions.
But make no mistake about it, he is a democrat.
That said he's going to make 2024 a TON of FUN to Watch!
He's still better than Obama or any of the Clintons.
So is a housefly.
He works hard…..so do washing machines
Trump himself was a registered Democrat until 2009.
Exactly, he is a more a classical dem in his opinion but he is not corrupted and he is good on big pharma and the war machine. Rather him than Chris Crispy, or demented Joe.
He'll definitely siphon votes away from the Republican nominee, which is the whole idea.
He will do the same for democrats as well, but we all know Biden will drop out and a dark horse will emerge, the fix is in
I disagree. Democrats toe the party line and the misleadia has already programmed their useful idiots to hate RFK. I know a lot of Democrats and I don't know a single one who supports RFK or even holds a favorable opinion of him. They despise him as much as they despise any Republican. He won't be taking away any significant number of Democrat votes.
RFK for Trump VP.
He agrees with us on more things than most RINOs do though?
yep, unfortunatly some very loud people here are trying very harding to make this into the rightwing version of the leftist cult. Why can't we just admit that we perfer Trump but compared to Rino/Dino then he would be a really good candidate.
Exactly. I don’t vote for democrats or republicans. I vote for me and my children. I voted Trump in both elections for this reason. The dnc and rnc can both fucking burn for all I care.
Yep. Have to take the rough with the smooth. I don't even agree with Trump on every issue. If it was just a matter of big pharma policy, I'd vote for RFK over Trump.
RFK vs Biden = RFK
RFK vs RINO = tossup
anyone at all vs Trump = Trump
If we had RFK vs DeSanctus i would probably vote RFK.
Trump all the way.
People who make money on "environmental causes" are some of the most corrupt, grifting shits I've ever met. And there's a fuckton of heroin users in this group. I'm not shocked at all.
I think you should do some research into what he actually has done in the "environmental " field. We are not talking about WEF stuff like 15 min cities or taxing the shit out of fuel. We aare talking more in terms of stopping big businesses from polluting lakes
I think you should have asked what my experience was there. As I have done some research into this. So here we are at this impasse, my friend.
I hate polluters and do not believe the democrats represent environmentalism.
I am just pointing out that grouping all "environmental causes" into 1 bucket and calling them all corrupt is maybe not good approach. Sure, you have a lot coruption especially from big goverment and establishment dems but everything related to enviromental cuases is not corrupt. But there are people who are in it becuase they believe in the cause.
Here is much of his environmental stuff
Can’t speak for everyone but it was never Trump vs RFK jr. I’ve said it before but I’ll write in Trump if i have to (but not likely since I’m in NC)
What RFK jr is bringing to the table is a NEW position that is anti big pharma and the fake “safety” data behind vaccines, and im not just talking about the jab. No one else is walking into the vipers den with this issue.
Let me be clear, I'd never vote for the guy, Trump 2024 only.
That being said it's simple. He is the only democrat openly talking about one of the biggest crimes against humanity. I'm very much convinced that covid and the vax death toll numbers will eventually dwarf the holocaust.
This does not mean we'd vote for him, but we very much appreciate a voice of truth in a sea of lies.
He's great for waking the left up nobody's beating GEOTUS
The Left fucking hate him. He isn't doing anything but triggering the knee bending reflex in Republicans.
oh fuck off.
maybe you have a knee bending reflex, but the rest of us dont. you are reading the situation completely wroooong.
I personally know Republicans that love RFK and will likely vote for him when he runs as an independent, this despite the fact that he lines up with the Democrats almost across the board on policies. If you think he's going to get that kind of support from Democrats you are delusional.
It's because they're never-trumpers who cling to the past like a rotted-out safety blanket. Simple as.
Pretty much. They are the same Republicans who gave us decades of RINOs who have destroyed our republic. Always eager to sacrifice their principles under the guise of "compromise" even after seeing the disastrous results for years.
No, they don't know it. They like his positions on one issue and they don't look any further. And the MSM won't enlighten them, because he's running as a spoiler for Trump.
Well anti-Trump shills here need to keep busy fluffing one no-hoper after another
also anti 2a
It's because Trump keeps jacking himself off with Warp Speed. He refuses to admit he made a mistake by allowing big pharma to do what they did.
Trump was friends with many elites including the Clintons.
Guilt by association is difficult to prescribe without directly pointing to a reason that reinforces the accusations.
But I mean yeah, I wouldn't vote for anyone other than Trump anyway so it's all noise. The question is if they would cheat for RFK.
the reason why is he says stuff unfiltered like Trump... and the JFK conspiracy angle helps
He polls well with RINOs cause they are basically Democrats.
Pro-abortion and anti-gun too.
He’s not MAGA.
Even his own ?
Probably just anti-establishment sympathy.
Mods are gods. This guy is here to siphon votes away from Trump. We should not be celebrating him running 3rd party.
Trump voters aren't going to vote for a Democrat, chill.
This is about swing voters and they matter big time in every election.
What's the scenario where swing voters are even in a position to choose between Trump and RFK? There's no way he wins the primary.
The concern is RFK will run 3rd party, something he just talked about recently.
Trump is doing quite well in demos not affiliated with R to begin with
He is a Kennedy and that should be all anyone needs to know.
Kennedy = Lying sack of commie monkey shit.
People need to take heed of what you’re saying. RFK doesn’t appeal right or left, he appeals populist; a huge block of Trump’s base.
His face looks like a vagina
Don't forget that he's seeking to EXPAND the welfare state at a time when we're 32 TRILLION in debt, with 75% of that spending already going to our existing welfare state. We now have a 130% Debt to GDP ratio and almost a 1 trillion dollar interest payment.
And don't forget the damage our Marxist welfare state does culturally. It creates 1 parent families which in turn produce unruly children and it creates state dependent morons. It is MADNESS to suggest we even need to maintain current welfare state spending, let alone adding more.
The only reason our side should like RFK is to applaud the votes he's taking from Democrats. Period.
He polls well because he seems sane by comparison to other Democrats and most Republicans like to appear open minded for some stupid reason.
Remember all of those blue dog Democrats who got wiped out in Obama's first mid-term slaughter?
Kennedy will appeal to those voters bigly. Their voters didn't show up to vote given how left Obama drive the party.
I don't believe the polls at all. Democrats DO NOT want Kennedy to run as an independent.
He probably appeals to black voters bigly also compared to Biden.
This isn't the 60s black women aren't going to vote for a Kennedy because they fantasize about hooking up with a boyfaced white guy from Massachusetts. RFK is for white people who think they are smarter and better than everyone because they actually tried to read the the hack job book Profiles in Courage in high school or some shit. Like Romney and Kieth oberman, except dems won't because party told them not Vax denier ! ...to and Republicans might because never trump feels.
RFK is anti-war and a lot of people on the Trump train are anti-war. RFK probably polls high with new Republicans who switched over because of Biden but aren't really conservative. He won't make it to the general election so he won't take anything from Trump or any Republican. The Democrat establishment would never let him get even a single delegate...I doubt it. Like look at all the trouble they went to get Tulsi out completely, and now Bernie is sucking off the war machine just like the rest of them.
He’s a complete whack job on environment
I’d vote for him on trumps ticket tho. If trump doesn’t get in there with utter force, we are all fucked.
Kennedy is 100000000x better than every Republican in VP spot except Gaetz.
We need a VP that is bullet proof.
Enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Trump or we die and a Kennedy would be a fkin blow out.
He's way better than Gaetz in pulling votes, far worse than Gaetz in ideology.
But we have to deal with the reality and most voters have no clue. Kennedy is well known and a celebrity, Gaetz is hated by half of Republicans and all Democrats.
Even though Kennedy has some really shit views, as VP he won't be driving policy.
I agree with your assessment that this ticket would scare the bejesus out of the left and Democrats.
I would love for Trump to announce him as a vice presidential pick and the media would go crazy melt down insane! I like that Congress lady Harriet Hageman out of Wyoming. She’s a pistol! Trump should talk to her.
Funny, you should think of a Kennedy as someone who would be bulletproof? LOL.
Trump Kennedy would be a fantastic ticket.
He's honestly pretty moderate on environment. He's not like the rest of these crazies.
I could see some switching over in the primaries to try to upset their apple cart (although it's the most rigged). But cmon folks, it's Trump all the way!
RFK is a one trick dog faces pony soldier. He's the Ralph Nader of Vax. Trying to make a whole career on seatbelts while pushing Democrat communism on everything else.
Oh no. He did heroin at least one time. Don’t care at all about that one. The others are gay though, that’s true enough.