Is this more rapture escapism that isnt in the bible?
We need to stop the rapture nonsense like yesterday. Its identical to climate change.
The end is coming tomorrow, rinse repeat.
Red heifers coming tomorrow... for the last 40 years.
This is not in the bible. revelation was about jerusalem and a tad about the end. 666 was Nero. The beast of the sea was Rome.
The prostitute was Israel. The church is the bride.
Jesus warned them he was coming and it would all be destroyed in that generation. Most of revelation uses the OT language of judgement on Egypt and Babylon and points it right to Israel.
It fits. Rapture with double coming of Jesus and taking figurative parts of revelation and making it literal is a mistake. It causes escapism. Live the great comission and stop wishing Jesus would come and destroy democrats for you.
As a preacher of nigh 40 years that is not what it REALLY SAYS. The first 7 English translations had DEPARTURE, not FALLING AWAY [from the faith] is in Departure from the Faith. The DEPARTURE was the Church departing this earth before the DOTL God's Wrath falls, and the Anti-Christ also has to show up before the Wrath falls. Thus Paul is telling them not to fear they are in the DOTL because that is not possible, we will be raptured(DEPART) first. The KJV (Church of England) changed it to Falling Away from the Faith trying to take a dig at their "rival" the RCC.
My calling is Prophecy, Jesus will be ruling within 10 years, the DOTL will be the April 13, 2029 Apophis Asteroid, thus with that being in the exact middle of the coming 70th week, look for a Rapture in the Fall of 2025, we can know the Season, just not the exact day nor hour. That really comes from the Feast of Trumps anyway, all of God's Appointed times were on the Lunar Calendar, thus they never knew the exact Day nor Hour the New Moon would fall on, that is all that means, but they knew within a day or two, likewise so will we, we will know the Season. It is upon us.
“Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. See, I have warned you about this ahead of time." - Matthew 24:23-25
We don't even know if the tribulation was representative of the horrific siege of Jerusalem or a worldwide event.
The events Jesus describes in Matthew 24 as being accomplished in THAT generation lend support to the view that the whore of Babylon is ancient Israel, and that events in Revelation are the final judgement pronounced on the people that refused to follow him and murdered their messiah.
Josephus' account of the siege of Jerusalem was truly grotesque, The people ate their young, bands on insane men rampaged through the city as though demon possessed, and the Romans were horrified by what the saw when they finally breached the city. All the curses (as described in Deuteronomy) for breaking the old testament covenant were experienced by that generation.
The reason why I don’t think there will be a pre tribulation rapture is it will make it too easy for those remaining to be saved. Imagine being an atheist with friends/family or people around you who are saved. One day they just float up into the sky or disappear. There you go, you no longer need faith. You’ve got solid proof. You’re guaranteed to get into Heaven after the tribulation because you know it was all true and now you’re a believer. Because you have no choice but to believe.
If I were the Deep State, I would try to convince people that the Rapture was a mass alien abduction. It would explain why there's been a big push for several decades regarding the "probability" of intelligent alien life.
Atheists are an incredibly stubborn lot. You can throw as much evidence and carefully reasoned arguments at them as you want, they will not accept that the Bible is historically accurate and refuse to acknowledge the Creator. I really do think that many will intentionally ignore the Rapture, even if they have private reservations that there's more going on.
Lastly, there's Jesus' story of the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man ends up in hell, and begs Abraham (who is in paradise but still within earshot apparently) to send someone from the dead to warn the rich man's brothers. Abraham's response is telling: he says that Moses and the prophets (i.e. God's Word) is sufficient warning, and that if someone will not heed the Word, they will not believe even if someone were to rise from the dead.
If Abraham is correct that resurrection will not convince those who refuse to listen to the Bible, then it's also reasonable to suspect that the Rapture won't get through to them either. That's pretty hard for saved people to imagine, but that's because our hearts and minds have been changed in way that the lost haven't experienced.
People conflate scriptures quite a lot not doing deep studies they tend to grasp at single verses which do not say what they think they say. For instance, if I have heard it once I have heard it a million times, they sat but Matt. 24:29-30 says Jesus will return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation, that's not what it says, Prophecy foretelling events in the future has to give us concise passages else single verses could cover 3.5 years and take up the space of a whole chapter. WATCH THIS:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
So, does Jesus return IMMEDIATLY AFTER the Tribulation of those days or does it say the Sun & Moon goes dark immediately after the troubles begin? The DOTL lasts 1260 days, when the Fires burn 1/3 of the worlds trees (I think its the New World) via Trump #1 (Asteroid breaking apart upon entry) and once we get the Impact of the Asteroid (Trump #2) and Trump #3 is the Fallout of the Impact which poisons the water with whatever it is, Sulfur or some unknown metal etc. etc. and finally in Trump #4 (all four Trumps are one event an Asteroid Impact and its fires) we see what comes IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation period starts, its the Sun & Moon going dark somewhat as the smoke filters out the Sunlight (and moon light). So, verse 29 is not about verse 30, its about the Joel 2:31 DOTL arriving, it causes the Sun and Moon to dim IMMEDIATELY AFTER this Asteroid Impact, which this sets off 1260 days of Gods Wrath..............AND THEN shall appear Jesus (1260 days later).
Look at Zech. 14:1 it says the DOTL arrives, in vs. 2 it shows the Anti-Christ conquering Israel/Jerusalem, and then one verse later (Zech. 14:3) it does the exact same thing, it says THEN.............the Lord will show up and fight for them, but that is 1260 days after vs. 2. Prophecy has to make jumps in time like that.
Jesus kept telling us about the Jewish Wedding traditions over and over for a reason, the Bride and Groom always spend 7 days (think 7 Years) in the fathers house. We will spend 7 years in Heaven, and we will return with Jesus as Rev. 19 shows whilst the Beast and his minions are still on earth.
We will be gone, IMHO, in the fall of 2025 because Apophis will hit earth on April 13, 2029.
No better way to dodge a point then to cite pride. The Rapture is Pre Trib. I have spent 40 years on Prophecy, only in Preaching circles do we hear this nonsense. If a Taxi guy says I got 40 year on the job most people will say, OVER HERE, or a Pilot, OVER HERE, not preachers though, because everyone thinks they are an authority on God and especially prophecy, when most are mere lay-men who have not put in tons of hour in study.
So go peddle that elsewhere friendo. That is just like a classic modern day LIBERAL Guilt Trip of RACISM, think about it. They only say it to get an edge and to try and place a guilt trib.
My favorite theory is that it's a cycle. I mean, every political cycle, so many of the flags are ticked. It's more about giving some pretty heavy incentives to people to notice those flags. It's, always, different - but the flags are always there. And, yeah, war is a byproduct. The end of the world or at least civilization is, always - every time - a very possible consequence of not paying attention to them.
Your 'authority' as a "preacher of 40 years" means jack shit. You're as much of a nobody or a somebody is anybody else as far as the Bible goes, preacher.
Deuteronomy 22:5 ❝A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God.❞
Second Timothy 2:11–13: “The saying is trustworthy, for: If we have died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us; if we are faithless, he remains faithful — for he cannot deny himself.”
All I’m saying is I wouldn’t tell anyone they have time left when all signs point to the prophecies being fulfilled now. It could happen in a year, 50 years… 100 or 1000, but I have heard some very convincing theologians make the case for the rapture as early as next week and the start of the 7 year tribulation. I don’t think it is any coincidence that the most evil among us have chosen 2030 as a significant date.
I understand. I am saying there is time and that it should be spent on salvation. No one knows the time. Sign seeking and prophesies cause us to stumble. But being there in the moment with family and with friends in good fellowship is real. This is where we can make an impact that can last for eternity.
I have been listening people make a call for the end times my whole life. Year 2,000, 2012, and many other predictions. Finally, when I realized we are all in the end times, that none of us escape them, I learned to relax. There is work to be done. Importantly, there is good news to share.
Our friend is struggling to help their own find salvation. We should look towards this and speak to this.
Agreed. Even if the Church were in complete agreement there were a dozen signs left to fulfill and the soonest it could happen were a hundred years from now, we should still try to save souls while we're here.
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1 Corinthians 1:22-24
My favorite verse. The words "we preach Christ" having some of the most meaning for me. I don't know all the answers or really maybe any. I know our friend is worried about the souls of others. And that is so important.
We see them within ourselves when we see them struggle. So we know what it means and how significant it is to be born again.
Umm, no, the Wrath of God is the Apophis Asteroid, BANK IT and be ready. My calling is Prophecy, I can explain the whole book of Revelation in a concise blog. Jesus will be ruling in 10 years. The E.U. is the 10 kings, the number 10 means Completion with God, the 10 Commandments, the 10 plagues, the 10 virgin brides, the 7 Heads and 10 horns = 7 Divine Completion and 10, in Rev. we see the 7 Eyes and 7 Spirits simply means God sees all and is everywhere. So, those 10 are not 10 nations, they are the E.U. completely United.
I couldn't tell you one. And I really love allegory. It's tough for me to settle on one thing. I mean to say I'm a terrible sinner. And there is much work to be done. I understand this and know why it is important to hear your calling. And I think we should talk about this as much as we can.
Many who have studied Biblical prophecy, beginning with Sir Isaac Newton, one of history's greatest geniuses, say the year will be 2060 (this was calculated using the Biblical prophetic 360-day year and converting to the 356.2 solar year and also considering the time before and after the rise and fall of the Roman Empire. That is NOT the date to expect Christ's return, but the year when the proverbial "shit will hit the fan." The Bible warns not to predict the Second Coming, but Jesus did tell us the signs to look for when the abomination of desolation is near. By 2060 the rate things are going now, it is very likely that the global World Order will be firmly established and ripe for the antichrist to take the thrown of power. Interestingly, the world expected some great calamity on the day the Mayan Calendar ended: December 21, 2012. Nothing happened. But what if something did, just unnoticed? If the antichrist was born (or conceived) on that day, in 2060 he would be 48 years old, in the prime of his life. Hitler was 48 when he took command of Germany's Third Reich. Just food for thought.
I don’t recall where in the Bible it warns against us seeking his coming. I think he tells us exactly what to look for. I also think that you are incorrect in your timelines because you are using the Roman/Gregorian calendar. It makes more sense to me that we use the Hebrew calendar.
Even those of us not amenable to modernist interpretation of ancient books can’t help noticing some spooky coincidences.
Maybe it’s not a linear path, more like a spiral, so the same view is seen from different perspectives.
There are those who make a convincing case that all the prophecies of St John of Patmos’ Apocalypse had already come to pass shortly after publication. Like 90 AD.
It’s a fascinating book but incomprehensible without deeply spiritual interpretation.
The layers of meaning are delicate like filo dough. This guy rightly divides the word. He’s quite entertaining too. It’s a transcription of a weekly lecture series he did, so it’s informal, yet informative. Can’t recommend it highly enough.
Considering the travails of Christians at Rome under Nero, and elsewhere during some of the later emperors (Diocletian for instance) it’s not hard to see what they mean. It wasn’t written to us, but to his contemporaries. They were literally martyred publicly. Things may seem tough, but not that tough. Not yet anyway.
Don't go by mystery numerical references, go by prophecy, its at hand now, the times of Noah were a sexual deviant time, we see this now. Israel had to be reborn first to fulfill Ezk. 37, the Dead Men's Bones prophecy. Now when the Church is Raptured the 7th week starts. But most do nit understand something Israel will do will set this off, Israel will join the E.U. that is the Dan. 9:27 AGREEMENT (Covenant) and that kicks it all off. Russia (Gog) will force her into the arms of the E.U. soon.
Actually I was going to ask you the same thing. Is the rapture actually in the Bible? I mean in the “Left Behind” sense, where people actually disappear or float up to Heaven and all that. Or are you referring to something else?
My step brother was saved recently. In his 50’s. Then his wife died. (Our elderly parents have prayed for this for 40 years.
But I tell you what…..the men at his church are exactly what that he needs. He has had many problems and even been in jail. But these men at church have rallied around him like you would not believe. They keep him busy, and they keep him positive.
It’s genuinely one of the greatest things I have ever witnesses. If his church wasn’t so far away, we would probably go there.
I have never seen anything like it. They accept him exactly as he is… a true brotherhood.
I cried a little at his wife’s funeral…. but it was because of the fellowship they offered him. The men and their wives and just everyone. (I had never been around her a whole lot.)
During the service- the preacher talked directly to him and about him. Like a brother. Holding nothing back about the struggles he has been through and how their fellowship and a relationship with Christ is what he has been missing all of his life (they were exactly right). They were not goody-goody, and just talked real talk to him, and with him. It was amazing. He’s really a guy’s guy… and that’s what he needs.
What’s funny is….. after meeting her mom and step-dad…. I kind of got the impression they were non-practicing of another major religion. But it was their daughter who led him there, which would not really mesh at all with their/her beliefs. But she knew he needed that…. and she did that just for him, because she understood his background. (She was super smart and I have no idea why she was with him, lol.) And then she passed away within just a month or so…. like that was her job on this earth. Just kinda wild.
I can tell you that when I went to church… it was not like that. If someone was having problems… they stayed away until they got their stuff straightened out, and that caused so many people to leave and not come back.
This church renewed my own faith to see people behaving opposite of that. And a good friend of mine is a pastor and he is only barely more refined- very country is what I mean by that. He’s also a higher math teacher. Him and his family have also helped to renew my faith because they are just so danged down to earth. Where were these churches when I was a kid??
Yea. I doubt he will ever get deep into the religion and learning about it and digging in deep. That’s just not his style. He’s a car-racing, drag racing kinda guy.
But as much of it as he can get….. I’m okay with that. Not everyone thinks so deeply, and he is that way, but still a good person.
He needs to be in relationship with Christ above all. Man will always disappoint. Fellowship with fellow believers is awesome and edifying and comforting and is part of the journey, and I'm so glad he has support. His journey should now be to go out and tell all the world the Good News that saved him.
They’re basically rogue Catholic Churches. They do a lot of Catholic stuff. They reject the Papacy. If you’re a former Catholic then the Orthodox churches might appeal to you, but if you’re averse to the Mother Mary stuff then you should probably reconsider..
My dad was Catholic (a convert) and my mom Southern Baptist. I used to walk to a Methodist church (almost a mile) from like the age of 5-10, before my parents started going to church. One of my closest friends is a missionary Baptist, and a pastor. I was saved at 13.
Aren’t the orthodox the ones who do the fundraiser every year that sell the Kibbeh and Tabouli plates? It might have been a local thing, but people of all faiths could not wait for that time of year. And then, my best friend growing up was Lebanese, and that got me into Kibbeh Nayeh, with the whole family (all generations) lying to me telling that the wheat cooked the meat😆.
(So I have a very high tolerance. My interest is more about education of the church itself. I do not fit in well with the churches that just socialize, they have left me disenchanted and now I’m rethinking everything.)
I’m not sure my new town has an Orthodox Church. But now that I think about it, they might. If it’s the one I’m thinking of, their signs are always so based. Gonna look into that!
Most Protestants are averse to Mary-worship. I’m a Christian and believe in Jesus is God in the flesh and died for my sins and I believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. I don’t believe in your catholic traditions. Funny thing is, I actually think Catholics are saved and are going to heaven. I don’t get the feeling that Catholics think I’m going to heaven though. You guys think everyone else is less of a Christian than you are. You should humble yourself.
And if you believe that more than a small minority of nominal Catholics are saved and are going to heaven, I would strongly disagree with you on that. Only 15% of my fellow Catholic Christians go to Mass regularly. Of them, only a small percentage receive Eucharist not in a state of mortal sin. Pitiful!
Do Catholics think Protestants are going to Heaven? We take no position on whether any particular dead people went to hell, even Judas Iscariot or Karl Marx. Jesus judges, we don't.
Many Christians are adverse to the idea of speaking to the dead and asking them anything. I get that the intent is the same as when asking a living friend or family member to pray for you, but don't see what justifies the idea of saints being able to hear you.
The Antichrist is supposed to be charismatic and intelligent. Don't ask me where libtards will scrape up anyone with that description. I think we have a few more generations to go yet.
I think so. Look at LGBT, it is a worldwide delusion and I can’t believe how quickly society is accepting it. Just 20 years ago it was not cool to be gay. At least in my high school. But the “Great Rebellion” I believe is exactly that. Just like Sodom. Christianity on decline by numbers and LGBT is the new religion. Getting another man’s poop and blood on you is the new religion. Satan Laughs.
I don't believe the attributing charisma for the nature to deceive is correct. Unless I'm mistaken it was implied that the ability to perform "miracles" was what will make that thing so persuasive, including deceiving the elect.
Lately I've come to understand something very interesting, my grandpa had an immense hate for Jehova's witnesses. I never understood why that was until recently when I started hearing that they don't believe the Messiah has come yet and deny that he was Jesus. When I first heard a JW say it out loud I felt the same way he did, this guy said that when the Messiah comes he will bring peace. When I heard that I instantly understood these guys who are so similar to us will in the future be mortal enemies of ours no matter what happens. Both them and the other guys with blood on their children's children.
Why are 7th Day Advent cult? I’m not one, but have been listening to some of their interpretations of prophecy. I don’t completely grasp their 1844 date and some of their other initial forming beliefs.
Remind me how many Obama had fooled? Sweet talk is enough to win over millions. When your choices are dimwit 1 and dimwit 2 you'll always choose the lesser evil. Especially with how power hungry the gov't is atm, I can easily imagine a rise to power coming from people afraid and searching for immense, indisputable authority.
It's funny you mention that, because I did something terrible during both Obama elections: I didn't vote. That's right, I jumped the shark because I couldn't bring myself to vote for either. Not even the state propositions, nothing. Big demon, baby demon, they are the same picture and I refuse to support either!
It was a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. Obama vs Romney was the first election I was old enough to vote in, but I didn’t because it was a Uniparty election with no choice. I lost all interest when Ron Paul lost to Romney. I thought Trump was entertaining back then with his trolling of Obama, but had no idea at the time that he would go on to become the champion of the people against globalism. 2016 was the first election I ever voted in.
I knew he was evil, I had dreams about that bum, but the Anti-Christ has to meet three criteria's he has to be born in Greece (Dan. 8:9) he has to have an Old Assyrian Bloodline via Isaiah ch. 10 (Northern Iraq, Southern Turkey and parts of Syria) and he has to come to political power in the E.U. (Dan. 7:7-8) because he arises from the Fourth Beasts Head. ALL THREE have to come to pass in one man. So, let me explain it.
He will be from a Turkish/Iraqi family who somewhere along the line migrated to Greece, he's born in Greece which makes him an E.U. Citizen, which makes him eligible to become the E.U. President. CASE CLOSED. He's alive now, I was told that in a vision in 1986-87 (DON'T DOUBT IT) as I was running with two small kids from evil men, I hid behind a bush by a house and a BOOMING voice from above was like, "The Man of Sin is Here" I had to look up the Man of Sin (LOL).
The reason I stated Don't doubt it is I myself was like, that's some odd freaky stuff. But then I git another vision, I saw Jimmy Swaggart preaching to like 7 or 8 people in a HUGE Auditorium, and within 2 weeks he had fallen from grace, he had been caught with a prostitute, so God showed me he was going to lose his ministry for a while at least, before he stepped aside. No people in a large auditorium is God telling me just that. That freaked me out, because now I knew 100 percent the Anti-Christ was in the world. Thats 40ish years ago. The time is at hand. Be ready folks, Jesus is about to WAY-LAY these FREAKS, Amen.
Something you have to distinguish about modern times is that people in that era couldn't just get on a jet and wake up on the other side of the world. A lot of people thought Obama was him. What I'm saying is that just because someone is born in one place doesn't mean they stay there forever. Your point about natural citizenship being a precondition for president is interesting but I believe presidency/political power is not the way it will happen. I believe a non-political religious leadership position will be the best way to power in a situation where all nations are unhappy with govt's. Something I've been waiting for for years now is one of the more subtle prophecies the bible has, that it will repeat it's prophecies to the letter as in the old testament. The return of Elias and what I believe will mark the Abomination of Desolation's return is the people clamoring for a king. America wanting a king, as Israel did, will be crossing the red line that should send people into a panic. Once that happens it will be possible for all nations (10) to truly act as the ten horns. So long as we're a democracy that feels inaccurate to me. We've already seen people here commenting sometimes jokingly that Trump should be king, stuff like that makes my skin crawl.
Its worse because they function as a cult and many former members are turned into vehement atheists. Not allowed to celebrate birthdays for example and have to shun family who leaves. It tears families apart and not for the sake of Christ.
When the Church is taken from Earth, that means many of the producers will be gone. Farmers. Ranchers. Truck drivers. Small business owners. Big business grunts holding things together while everyone else goofs off all day. People who do not fear change and cataclysm because they know God is by their side.
Those who remain will be scared out of their minds, hungry, desperate, looking for answers and looking for someone to lead them through the chaos and willing to give up their own souls for security.
Noah was taken OUT OF THE FLOOD, Lot was taken OUT OF THE Fire & Brimstone. We the Church will be taken out of this evil earth, we have a Marriage call to attend.
The difference is this, Jesus still had to be birthed, so Noah and Abraham/Lot had to hang around. Our mission as the Church will be over son, we have taken the Gospel unto the whole world, we are not needed any further on this evil earth.
Setting up the narrative right now for alien abduction to explain it. And let’s do more lockdowns to prevent more abductions. You can never be too safe.
Lol. Yep, I’ve thought of that. So many things go through my mind. They know what all the people believe, and they will give them the show of their lives.
No one FLIES OFF, that is a misconception, reread 1 Cor. 15, I can explain it i detail if needed. What happens is we must CHANGE just like those who are dead are raised as Spirit Men see vs, 44 it says just that, and since Flesh and Blood can not enter Heaven we lose this body ((( WE DIE or leave our bodies behind))). So, yes there will be a fake narrative, they will say a lot of these kooks refused to take the COVID 19 shot. That is why they died.
Isn’t the main event that has to come to pass the re-building of The Church in Jerusalem where the current Dome of the Rock Mosque is located? Until that happens, there can’t be end times.
Some flavor of leaning moderate probably in reflection of whatever social strata rules the day, definitely not a radical leftist though. He'll have to look like a reasonable underdog to the prevailing lunacy to pull it off. And he will pull it off, no question. He has God's ordinance for that.
The Anti-Christ as John labeled him "THAT" Anti-Christ pointing to a certain ma in only one passage, but since there are like 33 names we have come to combine all these name via Anti-Christ, and that is OK. But yes, there is an anti christ sprit, and since Christ is God it means an anti God spirit or the antithesis to God. What most do not get is it is Eternal just like God, that Spirit got Satan to rebel.
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:13
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be led astray; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor effeminate nor homosexuals
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves nor the covetous, not drunkards, not revilers, not the rapacious will inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And these things were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
1Co 6:12 All things are lawful to me, but not all things are profitable; all things are lawful to me, but I will not be brought under the power of anything.
22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Now do you wish to know what that really means? So, Paul calls it the LAST TRUMP right? It has to do with the Feast of Trumps, Jesus fulfills all 7 Feasts, they were called Holy Convocations (Dress Rehearsals) and Jesus has fulfilled the three Spring Feasts 1.) He's our Passover 2.) He's Unleavened Bread (Knew no sin) and 3.) He's the First-fruits (of the grave)
We are currently in the one Feast ALL ALONE on the Calendar like the Church Age is, we are in the 4.) Feast of Weeks/Pentecost/Church Age Harvest ( Jesus is our High Priest in Heaven, we the Church are the body harvesting souls all over the world for our Lord, but what always ended The Harvest Season in Israel? Well, it was the Feast of Trumps (KEY.......very, very key here) and of course since Israel were on (GET THIS) a Lunar Calendar they never knew the EXACT Day nor Hour when this New Moon phase would arrive, thus it was called an Appointed time by God, only the Father knew, but of course Israel knew within a day or two right? Likewise we will know THE SEASON just as the Parable of the fig tree tells us, we will know when Summer is nigh by reading the signs. So, how did Israel end the Harvest Season ? Via the Feast of Trumps/Rapture)
5.) Feast of Trumps (Israel did not know the exact day nor hour the New Moon would come in, so they sent up men into the mountains to witness it, when they saw the New Moon come in they sent word back and the Israeli leaders commenced to blowing the Shofar (Trumps) in 9 sets of 11 or 99 times, then on the 100th or LAST TRUMP it blew longer and louder than the other 99, and this officially ended the The Harvest (THINK.....Church Age). Now we know why Paul called it the Last Trump, and why Rev. 4:1 says Jesus sounds as a Trump when he called John to COME UP HERE !! The Rapture. to finish this off, since all 7 Feasts were just Israel practicing the FUTURE, lets not stop here.
6.) Feast of Atonement (Hmmm. notice what comes after the Rapture or Church Age Harvest ends? Atonement, and who does Dan. 9:24-27's 70th week Prophecy of Daniel say needs to repent before the 70th week can end? It says Israel has to repent before the 70th week ends. Well, we see that 1/3 of the Jews repent in Zech. 13:8-9 and then the vey next verse (Zech. 14:1) says the DOTL arrives !! Wow, so these 7 Feasts were just Gid foretelling history !!!
7.) Feast of Tabernacles (this is the easiest one, to TABERNACLES means to Dwell with God (SMILE) and Jesus rules from Jerusalem with Israel for1000 years so Jesus being "God the Redeemer" will Dwell with mankind.
So, no man knowing the Hour nor the Day is just a reference unto this being an APPOINTED TIME of God's Choosing, but just like (of course)m the Jews knew the Phase of the New Moon was nigh at hand, we also will know the Season by all the signs.
Pssttt, stop looking for the Raptures timing, instead look for that what Jesus told us to look for the Signs in the skies. There is NO WAY we will get hir by an Asteroid (Rev. 8 Mountain on fire) in this day and age and not see it coming years in advance. They saw Apophis heading our way in 2004 then cheekily named it after the Egyptian god of chaos !! Why do we think Trump created the new Space Force? Its going to hit on April 13, 2029, so roughly 3.5 years before that, in the Fall of 2025, the Pre Trib Rapture (Feast of Trumps) will happen.
Study these things out brother, its my calling of nigh 40 years so yes, I know more things than the average joe. But listen and heed, its upon us.
Wow, very impressed with your knowledge! Thanks for your insight. I was hoping Feast of Trumps 2023 would be the time. But I can certainly hang on for another two years!!! What an exciting time to be alive!
Learn and teach people how & why the end is upon us, those who think we go through the 70th week and put off knowing the Lord will probably not be strong enough to reject the Mark of the Beast. We battle not against flesh and blood. That is why I predicted a Trump win, and also stated he would win in 2020 but get cheated. Its was not TIME in 2016, its now TIME, Biden was the final tool to destroy our nation, Obama and the devils though Hilary would finish it off. We have to fall in order for the E.U. to arise Now, we may repent and be like in the 30s, a poor nation who knows God. That's OK with me.
Read above I explain what the Day and Hour means and why it is just pointing to the Feast of Trumps and the New Moon phase, where Israel never new the exact Day nor Hour because they were on a Lunar Calendar. But they knew within a couple of days what the Moon Phase would be. So, do not think we do not know. We do. Its HERE NOW. The DOTL will be Apophis, the Rapture or Feast of Trumps (think LAST TRUMP) thus has to happen in the FALL of 2025. I have been doing this nigh 40 years, I am not just guessing, this is my calling.
No not at first. The first part is trying to bring all religions together under a single umbrella. Dude will be handsome a suave and have a beautiful welcoming voice that's supposed to make people love him too.
Anyone who has read the Bible for themselves does not believe this. It's a false teaching that's literally not supported anywhere in the bible you know. The church up until the 19th century didn't believe this.
"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you"
But when you rely on the authoritative teachings of the one Church instituted by Christ himself, you avoid erroneous interpretations like "rapture" (i.e. the large-scale bodily assumption of believers into heaven).
The Scofield Bible in the 1800s started all the pre-trib stuff, at the same time Zionism was gaining steam. What a coincidence!
But I disagree on one point. John MacArthur is pre-trib and that man knows the Bible well. I disagree with his eschatology, but still love his preaching.
With semantics you can make many things have different meanings. The Bible does say that when he returns, we will meet him in the sky. There are some great preachers that do believe it and do understand the Bible very well. John MacArthur says he takes revelation literally. I’m of the opinion that we don’t know when or how it’s going to happen. Yes, Christ will return and his church will meet him in the sky, but I don’t believe that will happen before the “tribulations”
Thats my sole serious complaint to macaurthur,.from what Ive seen of his defense of his eschaetology, he seems to have a reactionary take to post mil decrying it as antisemitic.
It's not like literal vs symbolic, it doesn't describe a secret resurrection anywhere. Pre-tribbers have to do mental gymnastics and overlook so many things to make their case.
Nowhere in scripture does Jesus says to always go directly to Him for forgiveness. What He does say (John 20: 21-23)
21Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.”
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit.
23 Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”
In Matthew 18:15-18 we see this granting of authority yet again.
15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.
16 If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’
17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
18 Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
In James 5:16 we see this:
16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful.
Two verses before this, James instructs the faithful to summon a priest to pray over the sick and annointe them with oil. The "one another" is between the individual and the priest, not merely the generic faithful.
Furthermore, the entire concept of going straight to Jesus was invented wholesale in the 1500's. There is nothing prior to it that is even remotely similar. Throughout the whole history of Christendom prior to that point, it was understood that confession was performed with a priest, which was a continuation and fulfillment of the method God had established with the Jews. Instead of a sacrificial animal for forgiveness of sins we now have Christ's sacrifice. That doesn't mean that the role of the priest in the process was removed. There's nothing in scripture to support that view.
One of the more notable prophecies in the book of Revelations talks about the Abomination of Desolation. It alludes to when whatever the AoD is stands in the 'holy place' we're on track for what follows. Ultimately it's understood that whatever it is that's brooding, either modern day Israel or the USA is going to be where they set up shop. Very important to read up on it even if you don't understand it all that well.
I still believe in Christ. I have stopped going to church because every single one of them are worried about “branding”. The message is nothing more than a weak motivational speech. It’s impossible to change anything because the pastors clique runs everything.
There is no perfect family until Christ returns. Church is less about pastorship than the community of believers. You cannot make it without the latter but the former is far from neccessary.
Catholic here. We do not believe that works alone can get you into heaven, so please don't misrepresent us like that. Faith and works are inseparable. Saying you believe in God, in itself, means nothing. Demons believe in God with more conviction than you or I ever could.
If you have any particular concerns about catechism, I can answer them here. I want protestants to come home again.
James 2:14
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Come home again? Catholics do not own salvation. It is ridiculously arrogant to say that. Yes I agree faith without works is dead, but works alone do not get you into heaven. An evil man repenting on his death bed and honestly confessing Jesus as his Savior will have just as much right to Heaven as somewho lived their entire lives in service to Christ.
Yes, come home again to the Church instituted by Christ himself and given authority to forgive sins in his name and teach authoritatively.
Jesus owns salvation exclusively, not any church on earth.
It is not Catholic doctrine that works alone get you into heaven, and it never has been. If you can show me where in the catechism we teach that, I will admit I'm wrong.
Death bed confessions... bold move. These are almost always a pre-planned abuse (sin of presumption) of God's infinite love and forgiveness, and we have good reason to believe he will not view it favorably.
To say Christ Himself started the Catholic Church Himself is absolute heresy. He left behind no structure or organization besides the disciples that followed Him. The earliest known Christian churches are indeed from Rome but the ones from Ethiopia and Egypt are debatably older. But in the end, this issue doesn't matter in the grand scheme of all things. The salvation of the world and the destruction of evil should be front and center.
What is wrong with all these old people sitting in the pews?
I honestly cannot comprehend their logic. The youth never think of death but death is evident to the old by their grey and balding heads. Do they think they will live forever?
The great falling away has already happened, those who know will be looking for the signs of the incoming beast system, because hot dog ! If we live through this, we could live to see Jesus Christ return
So many parallels with Flannery O'Connor's novel Wise Blood:
Hazel Motes embraced that he has innate, worldly knowledge of what direction to take in life, and requires no spiritual or emotional guidance. Hazel Motes was the inspiration for the "Holy Church of Christ Without Christ. Conman Onnie Jay Holy hires a homeless, alcoholic man to dress up like Motes and act as his "Prophet.
Been an athiest all my life, started going to a Catholic church, based priest. Go back last week, different priest, starts talking about sexuality, never going again.
So sorry. The church has been corrupted. Go for the mass and bread of life and sacraments. The homilies are worthless usually but depends where you go. There are a few good ones left.
Isn't it odd how many dudes are not only in the choir loft, but also in the audience? I've been in church my whole life and I promise you, I've never seen so many men in the pews before!
imagine if schools started secretly baptizing children
The Holy Spirit is still working, unstoppable. Christ's return is imminent.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/sep/14/200-auburn-students-baptized-one-night-after-campu/
Sooner the better!
If you are in the salt pillar business, best get out now. The market is about to be flooded.
Global warming is real when the fire and brimstone start to fall
Is this more rapture escapism that isnt in the bible?
We need to stop the rapture nonsense like yesterday. Its identical to climate change.
The end is coming tomorrow, rinse repeat.
Red heifers coming tomorrow... for the last 40 years.
This is not in the bible. revelation was about jerusalem and a tad about the end. 666 was Nero. The beast of the sea was Rome.
The prostitute was Israel. The church is the bride.
Jesus warned them he was coming and it would all be destroyed in that generation. Most of revelation uses the OT language of judgement on Egypt and Babylon and points it right to Israel.
It fits. Rapture with double coming of Jesus and taking figurative parts of revelation and making it literal is a mistake. It causes escapism. Live the great comission and stop wishing Jesus would come and destroy democrats for you.
You can, and should, do both
As a preacher of nigh 40 years that is not what it REALLY SAYS. The first 7 English translations had DEPARTURE, not FALLING AWAY [from the faith] is in Departure from the Faith. The DEPARTURE was the Church departing this earth before the DOTL God's Wrath falls, and the Anti-Christ also has to show up before the Wrath falls. Thus Paul is telling them not to fear they are in the DOTL because that is not possible, we will be raptured(DEPART) first. The KJV (Church of England) changed it to Falling Away from the Faith trying to take a dig at their "rival" the RCC.
My calling is Prophecy, Jesus will be ruling within 10 years, the DOTL will be the April 13, 2029 Apophis Asteroid, thus with that being in the exact middle of the coming 70th week, look for a Rapture in the Fall of 2025, we can know the Season, just not the exact day nor hour. That really comes from the Feast of Trumps anyway, all of God's Appointed times were on the Lunar Calendar, thus they never knew the exact Day nor Hour the New Moon would fall on, that is all that means, but they knew within a day or two, likewise so will we, we will know the Season. It is upon us.
“Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. See, I have warned you about this ahead of time." - Matthew 24:23-25
Do we really know for sure that rapture comes before or after the tribulation? I’m convinced that it will be after. Or during.
We don't even know if the tribulation was representative of the horrific siege of Jerusalem or a worldwide event.
The events Jesus describes in Matthew 24 as being accomplished in THAT generation lend support to the view that the whore of Babylon is ancient Israel, and that events in Revelation are the final judgement pronounced on the people that refused to follow him and murdered their messiah.
Josephus' account of the siege of Jerusalem was truly grotesque, The people ate their young, bands on insane men rampaged through the city as though demon possessed, and the Romans were horrified by what the saw when they finally breached the city. All the curses (as described in Deuteronomy) for breaking the old testament covenant were experienced by that generation.
This article has the most in depth defense of a pre tribulation rapture as I have ever seen.
https://barrysetterfield.org/Pre-Tribulation_Rapture.html
Nice find!
The reason why I don’t think there will be a pre tribulation rapture is it will make it too easy for those remaining to be saved. Imagine being an atheist with friends/family or people around you who are saved. One day they just float up into the sky or disappear. There you go, you no longer need faith. You’ve got solid proof. You’re guaranteed to get into Heaven after the tribulation because you know it was all true and now you’re a believer. Because you have no choice but to believe.
If I were the Deep State, I would try to convince people that the Rapture was a mass alien abduction. It would explain why there's been a big push for several decades regarding the "probability" of intelligent alien life.
Atheists are an incredibly stubborn lot. You can throw as much evidence and carefully reasoned arguments at them as you want, they will not accept that the Bible is historically accurate and refuse to acknowledge the Creator. I really do think that many will intentionally ignore the Rapture, even if they have private reservations that there's more going on.
Lastly, there's Jesus' story of the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man ends up in hell, and begs Abraham (who is in paradise but still within earshot apparently) to send someone from the dead to warn the rich man's brothers. Abraham's response is telling: he says that Moses and the prophets (i.e. God's Word) is sufficient warning, and that if someone will not heed the Word, they will not believe even if someone were to rise from the dead.
If Abraham is correct that resurrection will not convince those who refuse to listen to the Bible, then it's also reasonable to suspect that the Rapture won't get through to them either. That's pretty hard for saved people to imagine, but that's because our hearts and minds have been changed in way that the lost haven't experienced.
Since when did solid proof convince them of anything?
People conflate scriptures quite a lot not doing deep studies they tend to grasp at single verses which do not say what they think they say. For instance, if I have heard it once I have heard it a million times, they sat but Matt. 24:29-30 says Jesus will return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation, that's not what it says, Prophecy foretelling events in the future has to give us concise passages else single verses could cover 3.5 years and take up the space of a whole chapter. WATCH THIS:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
So, does Jesus return IMMEDIATLY AFTER the Tribulation of those days or does it say the Sun & Moon goes dark immediately after the troubles begin? The DOTL lasts 1260 days, when the Fires burn 1/3 of the worlds trees (I think its the New World) via Trump #1 (Asteroid breaking apart upon entry) and once we get the Impact of the Asteroid (Trump #2) and Trump #3 is the Fallout of the Impact which poisons the water with whatever it is, Sulfur or some unknown metal etc. etc. and finally in Trump #4 (all four Trumps are one event an Asteroid Impact and its fires) we see what comes IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation period starts, its the Sun & Moon going dark somewhat as the smoke filters out the Sunlight (and moon light). So, verse 29 is not about verse 30, its about the Joel 2:31 DOTL arriving, it causes the Sun and Moon to dim IMMEDIATELY AFTER this Asteroid Impact, which this sets off 1260 days of Gods Wrath..............AND THEN shall appear Jesus (1260 days later).
Look at Zech. 14:1 it says the DOTL arrives, in vs. 2 it shows the Anti-Christ conquering Israel/Jerusalem, and then one verse later (Zech. 14:3) it does the exact same thing, it says THEN.............the Lord will show up and fight for them, but that is 1260 days after vs. 2. Prophecy has to make jumps in time like that.
Jesus kept telling us about the Jewish Wedding traditions over and over for a reason, the Bride and Groom always spend 7 days (think 7 Years) in the fathers house. We will spend 7 years in Heaven, and we will return with Jesus as Rev. 19 shows whilst the Beast and his minions are still on earth.
We will be gone, IMHO, in the fall of 2025 because Apophis will hit earth on April 13, 2029.
Excuse me, sir, your pride is showing.
No better way to dodge a point then to cite pride. The Rapture is Pre Trib. I have spent 40 years on Prophecy, only in Preaching circles do we hear this nonsense. If a Taxi guy says I got 40 year on the job most people will say, OVER HERE, or a Pilot, OVER HERE, not preachers though, because everyone thinks they are an authority on God and especially prophecy, when most are mere lay-men who have not put in tons of hour in study.
So go peddle that elsewhere friendo. That is just like a classic modern day LIBERAL Guilt Trip of RACISM, think about it. They only say it to get an edge and to try and place a guilt trib.
Yawn.
My favorite theory is that it's a cycle. I mean, every political cycle, so many of the flags are ticked. It's more about giving some pretty heavy incentives to people to notice those flags. It's, always, different - but the flags are always there. And, yeah, war is a byproduct. The end of the world or at least civilization is, always - every time - a very possible consequence of not paying attention to them.
Your 'authority' as a "preacher of 40 years" means jack shit. You're as much of a nobody or a somebody is anybody else as far as the Bible goes, preacher.
You know what the punishment is for a false prophet, right?
Deuteronomy 22:5 ❝A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God.❞
I still have family members to save! WTF!
Me too brother. Pray daily, God is faithful.
Second Timothy 2:11–13: “The saying is trustworthy, for: If we have died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us; if we are faithless, he remains faithful — for he cannot deny himself.”
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matthew 24:6
You have time.
He said much more than that! And I believe we have VERY little time.
As it turns out, life moves very fast, and none of us are getting out of this alive...
All I’m saying is I wouldn’t tell anyone they have time left when all signs point to the prophecies being fulfilled now. It could happen in a year, 50 years… 100 or 1000, but I have heard some very convincing theologians make the case for the rapture as early as next week and the start of the 7 year tribulation. I don’t think it is any coincidence that the most evil among us have chosen 2030 as a significant date.
I understand. I am saying there is time and that it should be spent on salvation. No one knows the time. Sign seeking and prophesies cause us to stumble. But being there in the moment with family and with friends in good fellowship is real. This is where we can make an impact that can last for eternity.
I have been listening people make a call for the end times my whole life. Year 2,000, 2012, and many other predictions. Finally, when I realized we are all in the end times, that none of us escape them, I learned to relax. There is work to be done. Importantly, there is good news to share.
Our friend is struggling to help their own find salvation. We should look towards this and speak to this.
Agreed. Even if the Church were in complete agreement there were a dozen signs left to fulfill and the soonest it could happen were a hundred years from now, we should still try to save souls while we're here.
1 Corinthians 1:22-24
My favorite verse. The words "we preach Christ" having some of the most meaning for me. I don't know all the answers or really maybe any. I know our friend is worried about the souls of others. And that is so important.
We see them within ourselves when we see them struggle. So we know what it means and how significant it is to be born again.
Umm, no, the Wrath of God is the Apophis Asteroid, BANK IT and be ready. My calling is Prophecy, I can explain the whole book of Revelation in a concise blog. Jesus will be ruling in 10 years. The E.U. is the 10 kings, the number 10 means Completion with God, the 10 Commandments, the 10 plagues, the 10 virgin brides, the 7 Heads and 10 horns = 7 Divine Completion and 10, in Rev. we see the 7 Eyes and 7 Spirits simply means God sees all and is everywhere. So, those 10 are not 10 nations, they are the E.U. completely United.
Not all of the prophecies had been fulfilled in 2000 or 2012.
I couldn't tell you one. And I really love allegory. It's tough for me to settle on one thing. I mean to say I'm a terrible sinner. And there is much work to be done. I understand this and know why it is important to hear your calling. And I think we should talk about this as much as we can.
Many who have studied Biblical prophecy, beginning with Sir Isaac Newton, one of history's greatest geniuses, say the year will be 2060 (this was calculated using the Biblical prophetic 360-day year and converting to the 356.2 solar year and also considering the time before and after the rise and fall of the Roman Empire. That is NOT the date to expect Christ's return, but the year when the proverbial "shit will hit the fan." The Bible warns not to predict the Second Coming, but Jesus did tell us the signs to look for when the abomination of desolation is near. By 2060 the rate things are going now, it is very likely that the global World Order will be firmly established and ripe for the antichrist to take the thrown of power. Interestingly, the world expected some great calamity on the day the Mayan Calendar ended: December 21, 2012. Nothing happened. But what if something did, just unnoticed? If the antichrist was born (or conceived) on that day, in 2060 he would be 48 years old, in the prime of his life. Hitler was 48 when he took command of Germany's Third Reich. Just food for thought.
I don’t recall where in the Bible it warns against us seeking his coming. I think he tells us exactly what to look for. I also think that you are incorrect in your timelines because you are using the Roman/Gregorian calendar. It makes more sense to me that we use the Hebrew calendar.
Even those of us not amenable to modernist interpretation of ancient books can’t help noticing some spooky coincidences.
Maybe it’s not a linear path, more like a spiral, so the same view is seen from different perspectives.
There are those who make a convincing case that all the prophecies of St John of Patmos’ Apocalypse had already come to pass shortly after publication. Like 90 AD.
It’s a fascinating book but incomprehensible without deeply spiritual interpretation.
Like this series: https://www.amazon.com/Homilies-Revelation-Archimandrite-Athanasios-Mitilinaios/dp/0976218313/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=3E8WKZGP31RQN&keywords=revelation+homilies&qid=1695103994&sprefix=revelation+homilies%2Caps%2C116&sr=8-1
The layers of meaning are delicate like filo dough. This guy rightly divides the word. He’s quite entertaining too. It’s a transcription of a weekly lecture series he did, so it’s informal, yet informative. Can’t recommend it highly enough.
Considering the travails of Christians at Rome under Nero, and elsewhere during some of the later emperors (Diocletian for instance) it’s not hard to see what they mean. It wasn’t written to us, but to his contemporaries. They were literally martyred publicly. Things may seem tough, but not that tough. Not yet anyway.
Don't go by mystery numerical references, go by prophecy, its at hand now, the times of Noah were a sexual deviant time, we see this now. Israel had to be reborn first to fulfill Ezk. 37, the Dead Men's Bones prophecy. Now when the Church is Raptured the 7th week starts. But most do nit understand something Israel will do will set this off, Israel will join the E.U. that is the Dan. 9:27 AGREEMENT (Covenant) and that kicks it all off. Russia (Gog) will force her into the arms of the E.U. soon.
You had me until you mentioned the rapture. That’s a bunch of nonsense.
Please elaborate. I mean that in earnest.
Actually I was going to ask you the same thing. Is the rapture actually in the Bible? I mean in the “Left Behind” sense, where people actually disappear or float up to Heaven and all that. Or are you referring to something else?
As all of Christdom has had since Christ. Live for God and trust in him. Fear is sinful.
What if I am overjoyed at the prospect of his return?
so true
I would never scoff at this. Time is short, and we do have some.
Save the PlAnEt!!!!!
"But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;"
"The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of"
Ok you're right it could be tomorrow. But it's likely not and they should spend the short time we have with the people they care about.
My step brother was saved recently. In his 50’s. Then his wife died. (Our elderly parents have prayed for this for 40 years.
But I tell you what…..the men at his church are exactly what that he needs. He has had many problems and even been in jail. But these men at church have rallied around him like you would not believe. They keep him busy, and they keep him positive.
It’s genuinely one of the greatest things I have ever witnesses. If his church wasn’t so far away, we would probably go there.
I have never seen anything like it. They accept him exactly as he is… a true brotherhood.
It blows my mind just thinking about it.
Great Christians, literally doing the Lord’s work. Succoring those in need raising every person to Christ. Would that I could be this type of person
I cried a little at his wife’s funeral…. but it was because of the fellowship they offered him. The men and their wives and just everyone. (I had never been around her a whole lot.)
During the service- the preacher talked directly to him and about him. Like a brother. Holding nothing back about the struggles he has been through and how their fellowship and a relationship with Christ is what he has been missing all of his life (they were exactly right). They were not goody-goody, and just talked real talk to him, and with him. It was amazing. He’s really a guy’s guy… and that’s what he needs.
What’s funny is….. after meeting her mom and step-dad…. I kind of got the impression they were non-practicing of another major religion. But it was their daughter who led him there, which would not really mesh at all with their/her beliefs. But she knew he needed that…. and she did that just for him, because she understood his background. (She was super smart and I have no idea why she was with him, lol.) And then she passed away within just a month or so…. like that was her job on this earth. Just kinda wild.
I can tell you that when I went to church… it was not like that. If someone was having problems… they stayed away until they got their stuff straightened out, and that caused so many people to leave and not come back.
This church renewed my own faith to see people behaving opposite of that. And a good friend of mine is a pastor and he is only barely more refined- very country is what I mean by that. He’s also a higher math teacher. Him and his family have also helped to renew my faith because they are just so danged down to earth. Where were these churches when I was a kid??
You can be fren.
"friend"
Baby / Reddit speak isn't a good look for adults here.
⬆️ Nonfren.
With a baby speak faggot? No.
That’s more good people and community than religion. I do get that churches help provide that though.
Yea. I doubt he will ever get deep into the religion and learning about it and digging in deep. That’s just not his style. He’s a car-racing, drag racing kinda guy.
But as much of it as he can get….. I’m okay with that. Not everyone thinks so deeply, and he is that way, but still a good person.
He needs to be in relationship with Christ above all. Man will always disappoint. Fellowship with fellow believers is awesome and edifying and comforting and is part of the journey, and I'm so glad he has support. His journey should now be to go out and tell all the world the Good News that saved him.
It’s really nice he found a great community that’s also spiritually nourishing. I’m very happy for him.
Thank you, fren. We are, too.
Are you saved?
I am
Bring them to an Orthodox Church. We don’t bullshit.
I'm a catechumen in a ROCOR parish 😂
Thank you!!! ☦️
I’ve always wanted to go to one
They’re basically rogue Catholic Churches. They do a lot of Catholic stuff. They reject the Papacy. If you’re a former Catholic then the Orthodox churches might appeal to you, but if you’re averse to the Mother Mary stuff then you should probably reconsider..
My dad was Catholic (a convert) and my mom Southern Baptist. I used to walk to a Methodist church (almost a mile) from like the age of 5-10, before my parents started going to church. One of my closest friends is a missionary Baptist, and a pastor. I was saved at 13.
Aren’t the orthodox the ones who do the fundraiser every year that sell the Kibbeh and Tabouli plates? It might have been a local thing, but people of all faiths could not wait for that time of year. And then, my best friend growing up was Lebanese, and that got me into Kibbeh Nayeh, with the whole family (all generations) lying to me telling that the wheat cooked the meat😆.
(So I have a very high tolerance. My interest is more about education of the church itself. I do not fit in well with the churches that just socialize, they have left me disenchanted and now I’m rethinking everything.)
I’m not sure my new town has an Orthodox Church. But now that I think about it, they might. If it’s the one I’m thinking of, their signs are always so based. Gonna look into that!
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"but if you’re averse to the Mother Mary stuff then you should probably reconsider.."
And if you're averse to asking the mother of Jesus to pray for you, then you should probably reconsider Christianity altogether
Most Protestants are averse to Mary-worship. I’m a Christian and believe in Jesus is God in the flesh and died for my sins and I believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. I don’t believe in your catholic traditions. Funny thing is, I actually think Catholics are saved and are going to heaven. I don’t get the feeling that Catholics think I’m going to heaven though. You guys think everyone else is less of a Christian than you are. You should humble yourself.
"Mary-worship"
Sigh
And if you believe that more than a small minority of nominal Catholics are saved and are going to heaven, I would strongly disagree with you on that. Only 15% of my fellow Catholic Christians go to Mass regularly. Of them, only a small percentage receive Eucharist not in a state of mortal sin. Pitiful!
Do Catholics think Protestants are going to Heaven? We take no position on whether any particular dead people went to hell, even Judas Iscariot or Karl Marx. Jesus judges, we don't.
Many Christians are adverse to the idea of speaking to the dead and asking them anything. I get that the intent is the same as when asking a living friend or family member to pray for you, but don't see what justifies the idea of saints being able to hear you.
Highly recommend. It's changed my life for the better in more ways than I can list. Abbot Tryphon is a gift to this world. His videos are everywhere.
The Antichrist is supposed to be charismatic and intelligent. Don't ask me where libtards will scrape up anyone with that description. I think we have a few more generations to go yet.
To Libtards Fauci is 'Charismatic and Intelligent'...
Not everyone will be fooled in the Last Days.
Interesting observation. 🤔
He will also quite possibly be gay (no persuasive towards women.)
I think so. Look at LGBT, it is a worldwide delusion and I can’t believe how quickly society is accepting it. Just 20 years ago it was not cool to be gay. At least in my high school. But the “Great Rebellion” I believe is exactly that. Just like Sodom. Christianity on decline by numbers and LGBT is the new religion. Getting another man’s poop and blood on you is the new religion. Satan Laughs.
I don't believe the attributing charisma for the nature to deceive is correct. Unless I'm mistaken it was implied that the ability to perform "miracles" was what will make that thing so persuasive, including deceiving the elect.
Lately I've come to understand something very interesting, my grandpa had an immense hate for Jehova's witnesses. I never understood why that was until recently when I started hearing that they don't believe the Messiah has come yet and deny that he was Jesus. When I first heard a JW say it out loud I felt the same way he did, this guy said that when the Messiah comes he will bring peace. When I heard that I instantly understood these guys who are so similar to us will in the future be mortal enemies of ours no matter what happens. Both them and the other guys with blood on their children's children.
J.W. are not Christians. Neither are Mormons, nor 7th Day Adventists like Ben Carson. They are all cults.
JW and Mormons are “Christian cults”. SDA are Trinitarian and are Christian, though many of them follow the writings of the false prophet Ellen white.
They all follow the false prophet. She co-invented the sect. Good fruit doesn't come from a bad tree.
Why are 7th Day Advent cult? I’m not one, but have been listening to some of their interpretations of prophecy. I don’t completely grasp their 1844 date and some of their other initial forming beliefs.
The sect was built around the ramblings of a fraud named Ellen White.
Nobody will ever follow an asshole. You get more flies with honey.
Remind me how many Obama had fooled? Sweet talk is enough to win over millions. When your choices are dimwit 1 and dimwit 2 you'll always choose the lesser evil. Especially with how power hungry the gov't is atm, I can easily imagine a rise to power coming from people afraid and searching for immense, indisputable authority.
It's funny you mention that, because I did something terrible during both Obama elections: I didn't vote. That's right, I jumped the shark because I couldn't bring myself to vote for either. Not even the state propositions, nothing. Big demon, baby demon, they are the same picture and I refuse to support either!
It was a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. Obama vs Romney was the first election I was old enough to vote in, but I didn’t because it was a Uniparty election with no choice. I lost all interest when Ron Paul lost to Romney. I thought Trump was entertaining back then with his trolling of Obama, but had no idea at the time that he would go on to become the champion of the people against globalism. 2016 was the first election I ever voted in.
tbf both choices were wrong
I knew he was evil, I had dreams about that bum, but the Anti-Christ has to meet three criteria's he has to be born in Greece (Dan. 8:9) he has to have an Old Assyrian Bloodline via Isaiah ch. 10 (Northern Iraq, Southern Turkey and parts of Syria) and he has to come to political power in the E.U. (Dan. 7:7-8) because he arises from the Fourth Beasts Head. ALL THREE have to come to pass in one man. So, let me explain it.
He will be from a Turkish/Iraqi family who somewhere along the line migrated to Greece, he's born in Greece which makes him an E.U. Citizen, which makes him eligible to become the E.U. President. CASE CLOSED. He's alive now, I was told that in a vision in 1986-87 (DON'T DOUBT IT) as I was running with two small kids from evil men, I hid behind a bush by a house and a BOOMING voice from above was like, "The Man of Sin is Here" I had to look up the Man of Sin (LOL).
The reason I stated Don't doubt it is I myself was like, that's some odd freaky stuff. But then I git another vision, I saw Jimmy Swaggart preaching to like 7 or 8 people in a HUGE Auditorium, and within 2 weeks he had fallen from grace, he had been caught with a prostitute, so God showed me he was going to lose his ministry for a while at least, before he stepped aside. No people in a large auditorium is God telling me just that. That freaked me out, because now I knew 100 percent the Anti-Christ was in the world. Thats 40ish years ago. The time is at hand. Be ready folks, Jesus is about to WAY-LAY these FREAKS, Amen.
Something you have to distinguish about modern times is that people in that era couldn't just get on a jet and wake up on the other side of the world. A lot of people thought Obama was him. What I'm saying is that just because someone is born in one place doesn't mean they stay there forever. Your point about natural citizenship being a precondition for president is interesting but I believe presidency/political power is not the way it will happen. I believe a non-political religious leadership position will be the best way to power in a situation where all nations are unhappy with govt's. Something I've been waiting for for years now is one of the more subtle prophecies the bible has, that it will repeat it's prophecies to the letter as in the old testament. The return of Elias and what I believe will mark the Abomination of Desolation's return is the people clamoring for a king. America wanting a king, as Israel did, will be crossing the red line that should send people into a panic. Once that happens it will be possible for all nations (10) to truly act as the ten horns. So long as we're a democracy that feels inaccurate to me. We've already seen people here commenting sometimes jokingly that Trump should be king, stuff like that makes my skin crawl.
I'd go on but that about sums it up.
Its worse because they function as a cult and many former members are turned into vehement atheists. Not allowed to celebrate birthdays for example and have to shun family who leaves. It tears families apart and not for the sake of Christ.
I think he'll come from the right, as a "savior" from the lefts insanity.
More than likely a moderate. They will deceive billions.
I think so too. He will appear as the uniter.
Except I don’t think we are anywhere near that right now.
Something major and tragic will have to happen first.
When the Church is taken from Earth, that means many of the producers will be gone. Farmers. Ranchers. Truck drivers. Small business owners. Big business grunts holding things together while everyone else goofs off all day. People who do not fear change and cataclysm because they know God is by their side.
Those who remain will be scared out of their minds, hungry, desperate, looking for answers and looking for someone to lead them through the chaos and willing to give up their own souls for security.
Scripture says the rapture will be like in the days of Noah. Who was swept away in the days of Noah? It wasn't Noah, it was the godless.
Noah was taken OUT OF THE FLOOD, Lot was taken OUT OF THE Fire & Brimstone. We the Church will be taken out of this evil earth, we have a Marriage call to attend.
The difference is this, Jesus still had to be birthed, so Noah and Abraham/Lot had to hang around. Our mission as the Church will be over son, we have taken the Gospel unto the whole world, we are not needed any further on this evil earth.
I’ve been having some crazy thoughts about that lately.
The government knows that people believe this. What will they do with that knowledge?
Setting up the narrative right now for alien abduction to explain it. And let’s do more lockdowns to prevent more abductions. You can never be too safe.
Lol. Yep, I’ve thought of that. So many things go through my mind. They know what all the people believe, and they will give them the show of their lives.
We truly are ruled by very sick people.
No one FLIES OFF, that is a misconception, reread 1 Cor. 15, I can explain it i detail if needed. What happens is we must CHANGE just like those who are dead are raised as Spirit Men see vs, 44 it says just that, and since Flesh and Blood can not enter Heaven we lose this body ((( WE DIE or leave our bodies behind))). So, yes there will be a fake narrative, they will say a lot of these kooks refused to take the COVID 19 shot. That is why they died.
The are seven rapture episodes in the Bible. Four have already happened. Next one is the big one every Christian is waiting for.
Blondie made it in 1980. That's the one I know.
Isn’t the main event that has to come to pass the re-building of The Church in Jerusalem where the current Dome of the Rock Mosque is located? Until that happens, there can’t be end times.
That is my understanding. A new Temple Mount has to be built in order for the Abomination of Desolation to occur.
Some flavor of leaning moderate probably in reflection of whatever social strata rules the day, definitely not a radical leftist though. He'll have to look like a reasonable underdog to the prevailing lunacy to pull it off. And he will pull it off, no question. He has God's ordinance for that.
Well, as long as he isn't a leftist.
Worse that leftist. More like “left-hand-path”
The ultimate grifter.
You mean the beast and false prophet. According to the New Testament, the anti-christ is a spirit that is already on earth.
The Anti-Christ as John labeled him "THAT" Anti-Christ pointing to a certain ma in only one passage, but since there are like 33 names we have come to combine all these name via Anti-Christ, and that is OK. But yes, there is an anti christ sprit, and since Christ is God it means an anti God spirit or the antithesis to God. What most do not get is it is Eternal just like God, that Spirit got Satan to rebel.
1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be led astray; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor effeminate nor homosexuals
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves nor the covetous, not drunkards, not revilers, not the rapacious will inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And these things were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
1Co 6:12 All things are lawful to me, but not all things are profitable; all things are lawful to me, but I will not be brought under the power of anything.
22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
As a child, I just knew that women wearing suit pants was unholy!😉
MATTHEW 24:36: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Lk 12:54 And He said also to the crowds, When you see a cloud rising in the west, immediately you say that a shower is coming, and so it happens.
Lk 12:55 And when you see a south wind blowing, you say that there will be scorching heat, and it happens.
Lk 12:56 Hypocrites, you know how to discern the face of the earth and of the sky. How is it then that you do not know how to discern this time?
Now do you wish to know what that really means? So, Paul calls it the LAST TRUMP right? It has to do with the Feast of Trumps, Jesus fulfills all 7 Feasts, they were called Holy Convocations (Dress Rehearsals) and Jesus has fulfilled the three Spring Feasts 1.) He's our Passover 2.) He's Unleavened Bread (Knew no sin) and 3.) He's the First-fruits (of the grave)
We are currently in the one Feast ALL ALONE on the Calendar like the Church Age is, we are in the 4.) Feast of Weeks/Pentecost/Church Age Harvest ( Jesus is our High Priest in Heaven, we the Church are the body harvesting souls all over the world for our Lord, but what always ended The Harvest Season in Israel? Well, it was the Feast of Trumps (KEY.......very, very key here) and of course since Israel were on (GET THIS) a Lunar Calendar they never knew the EXACT Day nor Hour when this New Moon phase would arrive, thus it was called an Appointed time by God, only the Father knew, but of course Israel knew within a day or two right? Likewise we will know THE SEASON just as the Parable of the fig tree tells us, we will know when Summer is nigh by reading the signs. So, how did Israel end the Harvest Season ? Via the Feast of Trumps/Rapture)
5.) Feast of Trumps (Israel did not know the exact day nor hour the New Moon would come in, so they sent up men into the mountains to witness it, when they saw the New Moon come in they sent word back and the Israeli leaders commenced to blowing the Shofar (Trumps) in 9 sets of 11 or 99 times, then on the 100th or LAST TRUMP it blew longer and louder than the other 99, and this officially ended the The Harvest (THINK.....Church Age). Now we know why Paul called it the Last Trump, and why Rev. 4:1 says Jesus sounds as a Trump when he called John to COME UP HERE !! The Rapture. to finish this off, since all 7 Feasts were just Israel practicing the FUTURE, lets not stop here.
6.) Feast of Atonement (Hmmm. notice what comes after the Rapture or Church Age Harvest ends? Atonement, and who does Dan. 9:24-27's 70th week Prophecy of Daniel say needs to repent before the 70th week can end? It says Israel has to repent before the 70th week ends. Well, we see that 1/3 of the Jews repent in Zech. 13:8-9 and then the vey next verse (Zech. 14:1) says the DOTL arrives !! Wow, so these 7 Feasts were just Gid foretelling history !!!
7.) Feast of Tabernacles (this is the easiest one, to TABERNACLES means to Dwell with God (SMILE) and Jesus rules from Jerusalem with Israel for1000 years so Jesus being "God the Redeemer" will Dwell with mankind.
So, no man knowing the Hour nor the Day is just a reference unto this being an APPOINTED TIME of God's Choosing, but just like (of course)m the Jews knew the Phase of the New Moon was nigh at hand, we also will know the Season by all the signs.
Pssttt, stop looking for the Raptures timing, instead look for that what Jesus told us to look for the Signs in the skies. There is NO WAY we will get hir by an Asteroid (Rev. 8 Mountain on fire) in this day and age and not see it coming years in advance. They saw Apophis heading our way in 2004 then cheekily named it after the Egyptian god of chaos !! Why do we think Trump created the new Space Force? Its going to hit on April 13, 2029, so roughly 3.5 years before that, in the Fall of 2025, the Pre Trib Rapture (Feast of Trumps) will happen.
Study these things out brother, its my calling of nigh 40 years so yes, I know more things than the average joe. But listen and heed, its upon us.
Wow, very impressed with your knowledge! Thanks for your insight. I was hoping Feast of Trumps 2023 would be the time. But I can certainly hang on for another two years!!! What an exciting time to be alive!
Learn and teach people how & why the end is upon us, those who think we go through the 70th week and put off knowing the Lord will probably not be strong enough to reject the Mark of the Beast. We battle not against flesh and blood. That is why I predicted a Trump win, and also stated he would win in 2020 but get cheated. Its was not TIME in 2016, its now TIME, Biden was the final tool to destroy our nation, Obama and the devils though Hilary would finish it off. We have to fall in order for the E.U. to arise Now, we may repent and be like in the 30s, a poor nation who knows God. That's OK with me.
No one knows the Hour except for The Father.
Try telling that to dispensationalists.
Let them be surprised...
Read above I explain what the Day and Hour means and why it is just pointing to the Feast of Trumps and the New Moon phase, where Israel never new the exact Day nor Hour because they were on a Lunar Calendar. But they knew within a couple of days what the Moon Phase would be. So, do not think we do not know. We do. Its HERE NOW. The DOTL will be Apophis, the Rapture or Feast of Trumps (think LAST TRUMP) thus has to happen in the FALL of 2025. I have been doing this nigh 40 years, I am not just guessing, this is my calling.
thems fightin words
If you are not with christ you are against him no gray area, if your against him your father is the devil.
He's gotta be more blatant right like "I am Satan" ?
I hate the antichrist
No not at first. The first part is trying to bring all religions together under a single umbrella. Dude will be handsome a suave and have a beautiful welcoming voice that's supposed to make people love him too.
Unitarians have been working on that for what? 100+ years now? Or are we getting closer to 200 at this point?
Idk probably. Nothing happens before the temple is rebuilt though
2 Thessalonians is a good read for this. We're definitely seeing some of that "mystery of lawlessness" and "strong delusion" at work.
Yes
I always imagine whatever that creature is like, it will have the narcissism of Obama and the haughtiness of Pence, at the same time.
We are legion.
He takes many forms
Cathedral of NOPE
It's Satanism. That's what it is.
Sinogogue of sodomites
They’re essentially priests of Ishtar.
For me: Titus 2:13 I'm waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.👆💛 pre-trib here.😊
Anyone who has read the Bible for themselves does not believe this. It's a false teaching that's literally not supported anywhere in the bible you know. The church up until the 19th century didn't believe this.
"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you"
That's why it's important to have Church tradition as well as scripture. You will miss the mark relying on scripture alone.
We need to read the scriptures for ourselves and not rely on men to interpret for us. This is why people beleive in secret rapture and such.
But when you rely on the authoritative teachings of the one Church instituted by Christ himself, you avoid erroneous interpretations like "rapture" (i.e. the large-scale bodily assumption of believers into heaven).
Most churches in the US are teaching the pre-trib rapture. I've heard some will kick you out for not believing it.
The Scofield Bible in the 1800s started all the pre-trib stuff, at the same time Zionism was gaining steam. What a coincidence!
But I disagree on one point. John MacArthur is pre-trib and that man knows the Bible well. I disagree with his eschatology, but still love his preaching.
Don't know how anyone that knows the bible believes this.
With semantics you can make many things have different meanings. The Bible does say that when he returns, we will meet him in the sky. There are some great preachers that do believe it and do understand the Bible very well. John MacArthur says he takes revelation literally. I’m of the opinion that we don’t know when or how it’s going to happen. Yes, Christ will return and his church will meet him in the sky, but I don’t believe that will happen before the “tribulations”
JMac is dope
Thats my sole serious complaint to macaurthur,.from what Ive seen of his defense of his eschaetology, he seems to have a reactionary take to post mil decrying it as antisemitic.
post mil requires a much less literal reading of scripture. Different hermenuetics lead to different conclusions
It's not like literal vs symbolic, it doesn't describe a secret resurrection anywhere. Pre-tribbers have to do mental gymnastics and overlook so many things to make their case.
Given the lack of a tabernacle by the presence of clerical garb, I'm betting either low Anglican, Lutheran, or Episcopalian.
Regardless, it's an abomination against God.
Methodist
Ah, yeah. I forgot they imitated clerical garb.
You don’t need a man in a dress, wearing a Babylonian fish hat, to mediate between you and God. Jesus himself is the mediator.
Nowhere in scripture does Jesus says to always go directly to Him for forgiveness. What He does say (John 20: 21-23)
In Matthew 18:15-18 we see this granting of authority yet again.
In James 5:16 we see this:
Two verses before this, James instructs the faithful to summon a priest to pray over the sick and annointe them with oil. The "one another" is between the individual and the priest, not merely the generic faithful.
Furthermore, the entire concept of going straight to Jesus was invented wholesale in the 1500's. There is nothing prior to it that is even remotely similar. Throughout the whole history of Christendom prior to that point, it was understood that confession was performed with a priest, which was a continuation and fulfillment of the method God had established with the Jews. Instead of a sacrificial animal for forgiveness of sins we now have Christ's sacrifice. That doesn't mean that the role of the priest in the process was removed. There's nothing in scripture to support that view.
https://www.cathedralofhope.com/
I thought it was a local Methodist church
To your username, Theantichrist is gay? So it's Micheal r(Obama)inson?
Although to be honest I've always known/assumed the anti-christ would be gay I mean only the biggest faggot could be the antichrist
Could be "Universal Unitarian." They call themselves a church, but are not Christian, don't even claim to be.
UUs are hilarious. They take the "problem of evil" and decide that rather than God not exist, evil must not exist.
Nope.
https://archive.ph/jU1tD
https://www.cathedralofhope.com/
And it’s on video that Soros believes himself to be a god.
Soros said he is God:
https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/george-soros-i-am-a-god-i-created-everything/
(He's probably responsible for this 'chuch' too)
One of the more notable prophecies in the book of Revelations talks about the Abomination of Desolation. It alludes to when whatever the AoD is stands in the 'holy place' we're on track for what follows. Ultimately it's understood that whatever it is that's brooding, either modern day Israel or the USA is going to be where they set up shop. Very important to read up on it even if you don't understand it all that well.
They have all the pieces now to build the third temple including a record number of Jews. All the pieces are in place. They just need to be assembled.
Already happened long ago. Antiochus Epiphanies.
I think it will happen again too.
I still believe in Christ. I have stopped going to church because every single one of them are worried about “branding”. The message is nothing more than a weak motivational speech. It’s impossible to change anything because the pastors clique runs everything.
There are good congregations out there. We have to fellowship.
There is no perfect family until Christ returns. Church is less about pastorship than the community of believers. You cannot make it without the latter but the former is far from neccessary.
Catholics don't have pastor cliques...
Catholics also believe that works can get you into heaven. Alot of Catholic Catechism is unscriptual.
Catholic here. We do not believe that works alone can get you into heaven, so please don't misrepresent us like that. Faith and works are inseparable. Saying you believe in God, in itself, means nothing. Demons believe in God with more conviction than you or I ever could.
If you have any particular concerns about catechism, I can answer them here. I want protestants to come home again.
James 2:14
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Come home again? Catholics do not own salvation. It is ridiculously arrogant to say that. Yes I agree faith without works is dead, but works alone do not get you into heaven. An evil man repenting on his death bed and honestly confessing Jesus as his Savior will have just as much right to Heaven as somewho lived their entire lives in service to Christ.
Yes, come home again to the Church instituted by Christ himself and given authority to forgive sins in his name and teach authoritatively.
Jesus owns salvation exclusively, not any church on earth.
It is not Catholic doctrine that works alone get you into heaven, and it never has been. If you can show me where in the catechism we teach that, I will admit I'm wrong.
Death bed confessions... bold move. These are almost always a pre-planned abuse (sin of presumption) of God's infinite love and forgiveness, and we have good reason to believe he will not view it favorably.
To say Christ Himself started the Catholic Church Himself is absolute heresy. He left behind no structure or organization besides the disciples that followed Him. The earliest known Christian churches are indeed from Rome but the ones from Ethiopia and Egypt are debatably older. But in the end, this issue doesn't matter in the grand scheme of all things. The salvation of the world and the destruction of evil should be front and center.
What is wrong with all these old people sitting in the pews?
I honestly cannot comprehend their logic. The youth never think of death but death is evident to the old by their grey and balding heads. Do they think they will live forever?
Maybe they’re old fags and they go to this gay satanic temple all the time.
lmao
You Re most likely correct. I saw a Christian YouTube attend a church like this with his camera. It was full of old lgbt people.
the inevitable end of wesleyanism and works based do-good theology.
Prots gonna to Prot
As if there wasn't a crimson takeover of the Vatican. Lol.
It’s a sad state of affairs.
The great falling away has already happened, those who know will be looking for the signs of the incoming beast system, because hot dog ! If we live through this, we could live to see Jesus Christ return
And when Jesus returns it won’t be a party! Men will beg for the mountains to fall on them and hide their bodies from the Glory of the Lord.
Based u/ name brother!
So many parallels with Flannery O'Connor's novel Wise Blood:
Hazel Motes embraced that he has innate, worldly knowledge of what direction to take in life, and requires no spiritual or emotional guidance. Hazel Motes was the inspiration for the "Holy Church of Christ Without Christ. Conman Onnie Jay Holy hires a homeless, alcoholic man to dress up like Motes and act as his "Prophet.
When the abomination of desolation sits on the Temple mount Jesus will return.
Jesus said "the holy place" and not the temple mount. It's dangerous to believe certain things have to happen before he comes.
This is the hall of shame.
low testosterone bald men and harpy leftist wino wives
what a trash congregation. mine would run these demons out of town.
Been an athiest all my life, started going to a Catholic church, based priest. Go back last week, different priest, starts talking about sexuality, never going again.
So sorry. The church has been corrupted. Go for the mass and bread of life and sacraments. The homilies are worthless usually but depends where you go. There are a few good ones left.
I know exactly what "religion" that is.
modern christian churches haven't been the one created by the apostles for a LONG time.
Have you ever attended Latin Mass?
yes, replete with idolatry
lol
This isn't the first instance of church apostacy lmao. Many antichrist figures have also existed since then.
There isn't one singular "antichrist".
Yep. When John mentions the antichrist its in general terms of anyone against Christ.
There are a lot of unsaved people going to church every Sunday.
They will surely be judged.
Isn't it odd how many dudes are not only in the choir loft, but also in the audience? I've been in church my whole life and I promise you, I've never seen so many men in the pews before!
Fairly certain King Charles is the antichrist. The links are uncanny.
What a nerd