I always thought cash bail was weird, just another way to raise the coffers, like speed cameras and stuff. And yeah I know it can be used wherein some super criminals get crazy high bails in order to make a point and to keep them locked up, but why even give them the chance?
"This guy killed his family then went next door and took down half his neighbours before the cops turned up, but he successfully managed to raise $1,000,000 to pay the government, so we'll let him go for now, as long as he's good."
Every state with cash bail also had the option of denying bail to someone who was a danger to others.
Cash bail is an excellent tool for routine crime, particularly for routine low-level offenders. It lets them out of jail where its much easier to prepare a defense and where taxpayers aren't paying to house them and because their bail is almost always coming from a bondsman or family and they all have an incentive to make sure the guy shows up.
Every state that abolishes cash bail isn't holding people in detention pretrial (unless its a serial killer or something) they are just letting them out for free and removing the financial incentive for them to show up to court.
You are correct; our rights have been trampled so long most people don’t even understand.
Either hire more judges or start eliminating some of these little crimes that tie up the system. Just toss illegals back over the border.
MY solution to illegal immigration is simple. If you get caught once you are deported. If you get caught again, 5 years forced labor. For those who are about to say slavery is illegal, no it is not. This is the text of the 13th Amendment:
The 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
Forced labor as punishment convicted of a crime is legal. Generally speaking I am against it but as a deterrent for illegal immigration lets go. After this period of indentured servitude you are deported.
Finally if you are caught a third time, immediate execution upon confirmation of identity.
We also need prison time for CEO's that hire them. We need to attack the source of the incentive that brings them here. There should also be a bounty program so that a business can report their competitors for hiring illegal aliens, and if they are found guilty, the reporter gets a reward. This would utilize market competition to end illegal immigration, instead of the way it currently is used to increase it.
Forced labor is terrible because you need to pay people to make sure they do the work and don't flee. And the quality of labor an unskilled illegal will give you is trash anyway.
If you want to stop border crossing, start killing people trying to cross. You don't see many people trying to cross the Korean border because they know chances are they'll be killed. Then give those already here 60 days to leave the country before legalizing their killing as well. It would be an ugly thing, but its by far the cheapest, fastest, and most effective way of solving the issue.
do you think they won’t come back for the trial if bond paid by bond company isn’t there? bail bonds is just a business that revolves around trampling rights by government that has too many laws.
they are just letting them out for free and removing the financial incentive for them to show up to court.
Yep. The burden was usually on the loved ones, who had bailed them out. When they broke bail, the people who were on the hook for them would be the ones to rat them out, so that they wouldn't lose their own money, houses, etc...
Now, there will be no incentive for anybody to insure that the crook will go face trial.
Not necessarily. The court can, but is not required to, enter a default judgment for someone who doesn't appear in a civil case. Many judges are a huge pain in the ass about this because if there's any possible issue with service or the procedural work a default judgment is easy to get thrown out so judges make you jump through a lot of hoops before granting one.
I've always wondered how preparing for defense will work if they have a state appointed attorney. If the defendant has a state appointed council, the council will just go to the jail to speak of the case due to being to poor to bail out. Well now that bail is no longer needed is the state appointed council supposed to track down this criminal to speak on his case? What happens if the defendant just ignores the attempts of council to speak on it? The case is approaching and the council hasn't even spoken to the defendant yet cause he's been ignored the whole time. I see many problems ahead and many delayed cases due to this shit show.
How does bail raise the coffers? First, are there really that many skip bails and second how many of those are never recovered?
That murderer you speak of is innocent until proven guilty (this is America) the bail is just leverage to insure they show up to court and don't flee. More serious the charge more likely they are to flee. The money is returned after guilt is determined.
Well, how it's supposed to work in non-clown-world, they put up the money as a promise to show up to court, and they get it back when they do.
It's usually a lot because they want to make sure you have some skin in the game. If you have to borrow from your family to pay it, you're much more likely to show up so your family can get their money back. Even some absolute pieces of shit criminals don't want to make their mommas homeless.
If they're a suspected danger to other people, or if they're a flight risk, then they typically deny bail, and they're stuck in jail while they wait for their court date.
Then we have some European countries who fine based on net worth where a millionaire in Finland got a 130k speeding ticket. Bail amounts seem to be based on the judges mood of the day with the big swings in amounts.
I just hope Juicy Smollett is ok. He's currently in Chicago. Those MAGA Country noose enthusiasts running around the city will really be emboldened now.
The Pritizker family is probably funding more of the chaos in the country than
Soros is and Soros likes destroying Europe more. JB wants chaos and blood shed in 2024 and the best way to do it is to empty out the prisons and let the murderers and rapists go free.
They are. The goal is to drive Western nations to the brink of destruction in order to blame our laws, traditions and system of government on its failure, at which point they'll claim the only way to save ourselves is by accepting a socialist, state-controlled system of government instead. They're both the virus and the "cure".
They think they are. They're actually just simple parasites. The kind you find when human waste and drinking water aren't properly separated. It's pretty easy to deal with, if not a little gross, actually.
These people want to pretend they are Wizards of Oz. They're living in their own fantasy.
Obviously, but why should rich criminals not have to sit in jail like the rest of us? I don't get the fairness/justice of it. I'm not suggesting getting rid of making people sit in jail, I'm suggesting make everyone sit in jail who deserves to.
i support abolish cash bail if that means criminals stay in prison while waiting for sentencing.
but we all know that ain't what's going on here.
I always thought cash bail was weird, just another way to raise the coffers, like speed cameras and stuff. And yeah I know it can be used wherein some super criminals get crazy high bails in order to make a point and to keep them locked up, but why even give them the chance?
"This guy killed his family then went next door and took down half his neighbours before the cops turned up, but he successfully managed to raise $1,000,000 to pay the government, so we'll let him go for now, as long as he's good."
Every state with cash bail also had the option of denying bail to someone who was a danger to others.
Cash bail is an excellent tool for routine crime, particularly for routine low-level offenders. It lets them out of jail where its much easier to prepare a defense and where taxpayers aren't paying to house them and because their bail is almost always coming from a bondsman or family and they all have an incentive to make sure the guy shows up.
Every state that abolishes cash bail isn't holding people in detention pretrial (unless its a serial killer or something) they are just letting them out for free and removing the financial incentive for them to show up to court.
You are correct; our rights have been trampled so long most people don’t even understand. Either hire more judges or start eliminating some of these little crimes that tie up the system. Just toss illegals back over the border.
MY solution to illegal immigration is simple. If you get caught once you are deported. If you get caught again, 5 years forced labor. For those who are about to say slavery is illegal, no it is not. This is the text of the 13th Amendment:
The 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
Forced labor as punishment convicted of a crime is legal. Generally speaking I am against it but as a deterrent for illegal immigration lets go. After this period of indentured servitude you are deported.
Finally if you are caught a third time, immediate execution upon confirmation of identity.
Illegal immigration solved.
We also need prison time for CEO's that hire them. We need to attack the source of the incentive that brings them here. There should also be a bounty program so that a business can report their competitors for hiring illegal aliens, and if they are found guilty, the reporter gets a reward. This would utilize market competition to end illegal immigration, instead of the way it currently is used to increase it.
Forced labor is terrible because you need to pay people to make sure they do the work and don't flee. And the quality of labor an unskilled illegal will give you is trash anyway.
If you want to stop border crossing, start killing people trying to cross. You don't see many people trying to cross the Korean border because they know chances are they'll be killed. Then give those already here 60 days to leave the country before legalizing their killing as well. It would be an ugly thing, but its by far the cheapest, fastest, and most effective way of solving the issue.
Gun line + chain gang, o no the prisoner is escaping ::racks shogun::
you are right. too many fucking rules and laws, trim the system, stop fucking with people. shit can’t function like this.
..and execute drug crimes ON THE SPOT!!
"Execute drug crimes"??? You want the government to execute crimes?
Execute perjurers on the spot, too!
And gingers!
to make the justice branch impotent?
do you think they won’t come back for the trial if bond paid by bond company isn’t there? bail bonds is just a business that revolves around trampling rights by government that has too many laws.
Yep. The burden was usually on the loved ones, who had bailed them out. When they broke bail, the people who were on the hook for them would be the ones to rat them out, so that they wouldn't lose their own money, houses, etc...
Now, there will be no incentive for anybody to insure that the crook will go face trial.
if you don't show up for trial, aren't you determined to be guilty by default?
Not in criminal cases. Civil cases, a no show to court is guilty by default.
Thanks, I wasn't sure.
Not necessarily. The court can, but is not required to, enter a default judgment for someone who doesn't appear in a civil case. Many judges are a huge pain in the ass about this because if there's any possible issue with service or the procedural work a default judgment is easy to get thrown out so judges make you jump through a lot of hoops before granting one.
Not to mention the judge will bend over backwards to not default a gov defendant at any opportunity.
I've always wondered how preparing for defense will work if they have a state appointed attorney. If the defendant has a state appointed council, the council will just go to the jail to speak of the case due to being to poor to bail out. Well now that bail is no longer needed is the state appointed council supposed to track down this criminal to speak on his case? What happens if the defendant just ignores the attempts of council to speak on it? The case is approaching and the council hasn't even spoken to the defendant yet cause he's been ignored the whole time. I see many problems ahead and many delayed cases due to this shit show.
How does bail raise the coffers? First, are there really that many skip bails and second how many of those are never recovered?
That murderer you speak of is innocent until proven guilty (this is America) the bail is just leverage to insure they show up to court and don't flee. More serious the charge more likely they are to flee. The money is returned after guilt is determined.
Well, how it's supposed to work in non-clown-world, they put up the money as a promise to show up to court, and they get it back when they do.
It's usually a lot because they want to make sure you have some skin in the game. If you have to borrow from your family to pay it, you're much more likely to show up so your family can get their money back. Even some absolute pieces of shit criminals don't want to make their mommas homeless.
If they're a suspected danger to other people, or if they're a flight risk, then they typically deny bail, and they're stuck in jail while they wait for their court date.
Then we have some European countries who fine based on net worth where a millionaire in Finland got a 130k speeding ticket. Bail amounts seem to be based on the judges mood of the day with the big swings in amounts.
I just hope Juicy Smollett is ok. He's currently in Chicago. Those MAGA Country noose enthusiasts running around the city will really be emboldened now.
The Pritizker family is probably funding more of the chaos in the country than Soros is and Soros likes destroying Europe more. JB wants chaos and blood shed in 2024 and the best way to do it is to empty out the prisons and let the murderers and rapists go free.
NYer here (not for much longer)… This order will only speed up the downfall of your state.
I don't know. I still believe in the 8th Amendment.
Democrats enabling the 13% to keep on contributing their 60+%
And just look at that fat tub of lard signing that bill. Dems in a nutshell.
Actually it's more like 4%.
Once you mostly eliminate the females/young-children/elderly.
Encouraging.
Renewing my CCL this weekend. Stay strapped or get jogged.
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Arrest that fat fuck
They should do a modern remake of deliverance. He should take Ned Beatty's part.
No. He would like it to much.
He looks like a sow-man
Doesn't matter, still voting for Trump!
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Dumb fat mother fucker, if the baddies could get to his house he wouldnt be signing this BULLSHIT
He has private security to protect him. Regular people can get fucked, I guess
"This is for all the fuckin' people dat called me a fat fuckin' slob."....signs bill into law
He looks like Chris Christie’s mobbed up doppelgänger.
Stolen elections have consequences.
Fatso's sister is a trannie funding the tranny movement.
His other sister (penny) is Obama’s #1 backer
The fat pig looks like a mob boss
He's nowhere near that cool.
They are. The goal is to drive Western nations to the brink of destruction in order to blame our laws, traditions and system of government on its failure, at which point they'll claim the only way to save ourselves is by accepting a socialist, state-controlled system of government instead. They're both the virus and the "cure".
They think they are. They're actually just simple parasites. The kind you find when human waste and drinking water aren't properly separated. It's pretty easy to deal with, if not a little gross, actually.
These people want to pretend they are Wizards of Oz. They're living in their own fantasy.
They don't think they are. They know what they are doing.
I support this.......The faster these places turn into dumpster fires the faster swing states become Blood red.
"You take food stamps?"
Look at the smile on that fat fucks face.
Democrat voters deserve what is coming their way.
Why would there ever be cash bail in the first place? It literally doesn't affect rich people so its basically just a punishment for being poor.
Poor do commit most of the crime though
Obviously, but why should rich criminals not have to sit in jail like the rest of us? I don't get the fairness/justice of it. I'm not suggesting getting rid of making people sit in jail, I'm suggesting make everyone sit in jail who deserves to.
They did the same game plan on Mother Russia and China when they took over. Maybe we should all spend time learning about ww1 and 2. Know your enemy.
They are feral anyway...
If I was a judge in illinois I would just order everyone held without bail. They would be screaming from the overflow in weeks.
That fucker is a high calorie person
So now, they bring indictments against Trump in the state of Illinois and not allow him to post bail? I think I see where this is going.
If we weren't total fucking pussies we would go raiding all the woke retailers and then laugh our asses right back out of jail. They deserve it anyway
Notice that Illinois is mostly red except in Chicago. Where Obama got his start. The most corrupt city in Illinois.
Cater to low IQ individuals hoping for votes and support.
Every politician from Illinois looks like a union mob boss.
Criminals already run wild. Im coping by learning to hack computers and wifi.
You retards get what you vote for. Now suffer
It’s crazy how many people call themselves Patriots, but support punishment on free citizens who are presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Bail is as bad as civil forfeiture.
If you want to reduce crime, have CONVICTED criminals serve full term
Looks like he's signing it to help family and friends...
Bye Chicago!
Sheriff's are still allowed to arrest and hold you 48 hours
Looking at it from a different perspective, maybe he’s giving the greenlight to shoot criminals?
I used to hate headlines like this. Now I love headlines like this. Oh what a difference a couple administrations makes.