The problem in Mexico is that they're basically in a state of civil war all the time between competing cartels and the government. It's not exactly a failed state, but it's damned close.
Nothing new. Was a tribal vs colonial system before that, cartels are a variation. Is why Gran Columbia collapsed, couldn't make them get along, too many insular communities that hated each other.
Addictive drugs are always in demand by definition. "Personal responsibility" is degenerate cope and parroted even by the junkies living in literal trash heaps.
You aren't wrong, but the vast majority of the violence isn't from the user, it's from the manufacturers and distributers not having any recourse but the gun, and legalizing would give them access to the courts to solve disputes.
Add to that getting clean is made more difficult because just being an addict requires you to admit that you are a criminal, and any relapse can send you to jail.
No system is ever going to solve all the problems, but I think we've proved that illegality doesn't remove the activity, it does however increase crime and ruins lives that didn't need to be ruined.
Violence is from the supplier because of the user. No user = no demand = no supplier. You can't fix a problem by trying to fix the symptom, you have to fix the root cause.
Getting clean is difficult because of the physiological addiction. No one goes to jail because they're trying to get clean. In fact, most courts grant leniency to criminals when they go to rehab.
I'll again go back to alcohol. It's legal and ruins more lives than any other drug. The ease of availability only makes the addictive count add up quicker. You'll never win an argument for legalizing drugs by saying it will stop the number of addictions. The facts are just too innumerable against you.
With the exception of Alcohol, they're illegal unless you get a prescription.
#1 = alcohol
#2 = pot (being legalized more and more)
#3 = pain killers/opiates
#4 = cocaine
#5 = heroin
With the exception of alcohol, tell me where you can get any of those legally under federal guidelines without a prescription.
Cartels smuggle cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, fentanyl, cannabis and MDMA.
I'll add...look at your history for predicting the future. Alcohol was outlawed, then legalized by popular demand. Yet alcohol is the most abused drug there is. And it's very addictive.
How many cartel murderers make their living on alcohol?
Yes, its prices are stable and comparatively cheap, but people haven't been murdering each other by the dozens over alcohol since we regained our sanity and ended Prohibition.
Yes, I have dealt with addiction up close.
It's no joke.
But Prohibition, and its accompanying cartels and cartel murderers, are not a viable solution to the problem that some people make poor decisions about addictive substances.
If you like solutions worse than the problem, get vaccinated.
Or maybe quit making irrational emotional decisions based on your fear of a situation, whether that be addiction or COVID.
I responded to a post that said usage was due to it being "banned" and the allure that it created. Not to violence rates. The solution is keeping people off of addictive drugs whether they're legal or not. Addiction affects people from all walks of life.
Maybe quit making critiques that aren't relevant to the original.
The appeal is the addictiveness. Unless you've been addicted or had to deal with a loved one that is an addict, you can't understand. They will do anything and everything to get that fix.
Don't even start on weed as a comparison to drugs like cocaine, heroin and fentanyl.
The business model of drugs is getting people hooked and then demand goes up. I knew two people that were both upstanding citizens. They went to the doctor who gave them pain killers. They both got addicted and now they're both dead from overdosing. Had nothing to do with Mexican drugs and everything to do with big pharma.
I think Chicago has that firmly in it's grasp. But they don't like reporting it. Two methods of calculating leads to two different results. Per Capita and absolute numbers. NO & Chicago respectively.
I just typed a reply about how I agree with you on that point and that would make the picture inaccurate. I was referring to the late 90s when new Orleans was the murder capital. But then I looked it up to make sure what I was saying is accurate.
The only time I ever went to New Orleans was for a business meeting with an oil & gas company. I flew in, made the appointment and flew out. It has no appeal for me whatsoever. And I do not understand it's appeal to anyone.
It's the most European looking city in America. It has beautiful architecture, rich history, great music, and fantastic food! It could be a gem in this country, but many years of democratic leadership has hurt it greatly.
Some brutal shit I wish I never watched! But, you see how they treat people that break cartel law? Maybe we should do the same that break our immigration law, see how many come after that once word gets around.
You would figure with that logic that we were talking about a map of the places with the most law abiding people in the world but we are actually discussing the opposite. You might want to reconsider the effectiveness of such a policy. Well, unless it's a map of the most pre capita deaths from capital punishment.
This data is so wrong. Europe and South America had the 10 most violent cities in the world with only one to two entries from the USA and Mexico which were rank 9 or 10. I can't remember the name of number one but it was the murder capital of the planet and I think it was in Europe somewhere. Then again, that may have been a 2021 list that I investigated in 2022. Still, I doubt they would have magically all shifted to Mexico in 1 year. This is cherry picked data and I call bullshit.
Honestly, the U.S needs to declare war against Mexico. Invade the country and extend our border 100 miles into Mexico, and make that area a DMZ. I want the border wall to cost as much as we have spent on the Ukraine war. Militarily exterminate the cartels, and if need be, install our own shadow government in Mexico. Deport 15+million illegal immigrants. Mandate e-Verify. The U.S needs to completely rethink its approach to border security and its relationship with Mexico. It is a completely solvable problem.
Meanwhile we were treated to a media show last few weeks as they searched PA for an escaped (illegal alien) prisoner and murderer. Not one mention from the media or any politician on how the guy got into our country in the first place and what is being done to prevent more of them coming in. He was a murderer before he got in and continued to murder after he got in.
Bomb the shit out of mexico for aligning with our enemies and flooding us with their poison-toting delinquents. They are literally a cancer on our balls crippling the whole body.
What about the millions of muslims coming across ALL the US borders; the real major threat; the 10 cities you cite use the role model of Islam like all tyrants used it. Grow the drug trade to overtake the US. The spread of Islam is the NWO plan of campaign leading to communism.
Islam has been the role model of many world conquering factions; it's the perfect bedfellow of communism; actually one and the same model of government.
Take away morals and the world is the oyster for all civil unrest.
It's really time for this to become a constant talking point for non migrant Americans despite what your party is. I would wear this proudly if it were T shirt
Wheres the George Soros for our side that will provide such merch for free, for the cause?
We build it after we deport the millions of freeloaders. ALL OF THEM.
Eliminate the regime, by defeating the fraud in 2024 or by Revolution and nearly all our problems can be taken care of!
Every last goddamn invader!!!
Remember when democrats said it was to expensive to build the wall? I wonder howamy walls we could have built with the same money we sent to ukraine.
Operation Wetback.
The problem in Mexico is that they're basically in a state of civil war all the time between competing cartels and the government. It's not exactly a failed state, but it's damned close.
Mexico is a failed state.
Waiting until the government collapses to deal with the problem is a mistake.
Our migrant problem will be 10x worse when that happens.
Meximerica
El Salvador 2.0
Mexico has become the new ME; sponsored by the US CIA.
The Taliban got rid of drugs in Afghanistan not once but twice; somewhere had to pick up the slack; courtesy of the CIA.
God Help US
Destroying nations has become the pastime of the US; time to start the restoration of Our Republic before they succeed here.
Nothing new. Was a tribal vs colonial system before that, cartels are a variation. Is why Gran Columbia collapsed, couldn't make them get along, too many insular communities that hated each other.
Why are we blaming Mexico for giving the US consumer what it wants? Who buys those drugs?
Legalize the shit and put the cartels out of business. But no... the war on drugs is going to finally win.
Legalizing addictive drugs would stabilize the prices and increase demand.
Addictive drugs are always in demand by definition. "Personal responsibility" is degenerate cope and parroted even by the junkies living in literal trash heaps.
You aren't wrong, but the vast majority of the violence isn't from the user, it's from the manufacturers and distributers not having any recourse but the gun, and legalizing would give them access to the courts to solve disputes.
Add to that getting clean is made more difficult because just being an addict requires you to admit that you are a criminal, and any relapse can send you to jail.
No system is ever going to solve all the problems, but I think we've proved that illegality doesn't remove the activity, it does however increase crime and ruins lives that didn't need to be ruined.
Violence is from the supplier because of the user. No user = no demand = no supplier. You can't fix a problem by trying to fix the symptom, you have to fix the root cause.
Getting clean is difficult because of the physiological addiction. No one goes to jail because they're trying to get clean. In fact, most courts grant leniency to criminals when they go to rehab.
I'll again go back to alcohol. It's legal and ruins more lives than any other drug. The ease of availability only makes the addictive count add up quicker. You'll never win an argument for legalizing drugs by saying it will stop the number of addictions. The facts are just too innumerable against you.
Part of the appeal is they are banned. Make it not so 'cool' and easy to get, and demand fades.
Look at weed.
BS.
The biggest Drug Cartels are LEGAL drugs. Have you been hiding under a rock or something?
With the exception of Alcohol, they're illegal unless you get a prescription.
#1 = alcohol
#2 = pot (being legalized more and more)
#3 = pain killers/opiates
#4 = cocaine
#5 = heroin
With the exception of alcohol, tell me where you can get any of those legally under federal guidelines without a prescription.
Cartels smuggle cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, fentanyl, cannabis and MDMA.
I'll add...look at your history for predicting the future. Alcohol was outlawed, then legalized by popular demand. Yet alcohol is the most abused drug there is. And it's very addictive.
How many cartel murderers make their living on alcohol?
Yes, its prices are stable and comparatively cheap, but people haven't been murdering each other by the dozens over alcohol since we regained our sanity and ended Prohibition.
Yes, I have dealt with addiction up close.
It's no joke.
But Prohibition, and its accompanying cartels and cartel murderers, are not a viable solution to the problem that some people make poor decisions about addictive substances.
If you like solutions worse than the problem, get vaccinated.
Or maybe quit making irrational emotional decisions based on your fear of a situation, whether that be addiction or COVID.
I responded to a post that said usage was due to it being "banned" and the allure that it created. Not to violence rates. The solution is keeping people off of addictive drugs whether they're legal or not. Addiction affects people from all walks of life.
Maybe quit making critiques that aren't relevant to the original.
That doesn’t mean you can’t destroy the little ones.
The appeal is the addictiveness. Unless you've been addicted or had to deal with a loved one that is an addict, you can't understand. They will do anything and everything to get that fix.
Don't even start on weed as a comparison to drugs like cocaine, heroin and fentanyl.
Nobody ever sucked a dick for weed!
Only after doing the weed. 😂
The business model of prohibition never works. Let the addicts get clean shit if they want it.
The business model of drugs is getting people hooked and then demand goes up. I knew two people that were both upstanding citizens. They went to the doctor who gave them pain killers. They both got addicted and now they're both dead from overdosing. Had nothing to do with Mexican drugs and everything to do with big pharma.
I'm with you that big pharma is the bigger bad guy. How does that change Prohibition not working?
Follow the logic. They want you dead, so just kill yourselves and put them out of business.
Opium Wars 3.0
Note to self: Don't go to New Orleans or Mexico for vacation.
New Orleans was the murder capital of the US for a while. I don't think this is true currently.
I think Chicago has that firmly in it's grasp. But they don't like reporting it. Two methods of calculating leads to two different results. Per Capita and absolute numbers. NO & Chicago respectively.
On a per 100000 basis this infographic says that it is still the murder capital of the US
How is it worse than Chicago?
I just typed a reply about how I agree with you on that point and that would make the picture inaccurate. I was referring to the late 90s when new Orleans was the murder capital. But then I looked it up to make sure what I was saying is accurate.
Apparently new Orleans is back in the lead.
What an accomplishment
With hard work and sacrifice, we can all achieve greatness!
Gotta be on a per capita basis. They are just recovering from the Katrina emigration when many never went back.
No they just do more sexual assaulting now than murdering. Joggers and probably riggers too.
The only time I ever went to New Orleans was for a business meeting with an oil & gas company. I flew in, made the appointment and flew out. It has no appeal for me whatsoever. And I do not understand it's appeal to anyone.
It's the most European looking city in America. It has beautiful architecture, rich history, great music, and fantastic food! It could be a gem in this country, but many years of democratic leadership has hurt it greatly.
The celebrate debauchery. End of story.
Food is great, but you can get good facsimiles elsewhere.
Same excuse as globalists. Recipes are available free online.
Hard to get fresh seafood inland, though.
Frozen's just as good, and considering the alternative, yeah.
Just a note. Half the seafood served in New Orleans is CHINESE.
C’mon man! It’s a veritable french niggiera
Friends from there said some stop signs you don't stop at
Plenty of great places in Mexico to go on vacation just like New Orleans isn't an example to not go to the US on vacation.
I am an avid scuba diver and go to Cozumel very regularly. I've never had a problem there.
Anyone who has seen the mexican drug cartel murder videos will be demanding we build the wall
Some brutal shit I wish I never watched! But, you see how they treat people that break cartel law? Maybe we should do the same that break our immigration law, see how many come after that once word gets around.
You would figure with that logic that we were talking about a map of the places with the most law abiding people in the world but we are actually discussing the opposite. You might want to reconsider the effectiveness of such a policy. Well, unless it's a map of the most pre capita deaths from capital punishment.
Our drone strikes on American citizens are so much prettier.
Nice deflection.
Called reality.
That has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Sure it does. We can do violence against innocent people way better than the cartels.
Again, has nothing to do with the relevant topic.
They literally bind people and dismember them alive bit by bit
Before we build the wall, we must deport these illegal aliens.
Build the WALLS around the blue cities and cut them off.
If you remove the minimum pop requirement then I think St. Louis might be #1
I'd rather hang out in Tijuana than any majority black city.
I've been to Juarez. I walked over from America. It was horrible.
The smells, the murder, the dudes raping my GF with their eyes: It made me rethink mexico as a civilized country.
This data is so wrong. Europe and South America had the 10 most violent cities in the world with only one to two entries from the USA and Mexico which were rank 9 or 10. I can't remember the name of number one but it was the murder capital of the planet and I think it was in Europe somewhere. Then again, that may have been a 2021 list that I investigated in 2022. Still, I doubt they would have magically all shifted to Mexico in 1 year. This is cherry picked data and I call bullshit.
That said, still build the wall.
I blame Latoya.
Honestly, the U.S needs to declare war against Mexico. Invade the country and extend our border 100 miles into Mexico, and make that area a DMZ. I want the border wall to cost as much as we have spent on the Ukraine war. Militarily exterminate the cartels, and if need be, install our own shadow government in Mexico. Deport 15+million illegal immigrants. Mandate e-Verify. The U.S needs to completely rethink its approach to border security and its relationship with Mexico. It is a completely solvable problem.
Start tomahawking the cartels.
I am amazed that Chicago is not in that list.
Large population. The stat is on a per 100000 basis.
Build the wall? I was thinking more like, invade Mexico and take it over.
Meanwhile we were treated to a media show last few weeks as they searched PA for an escaped (illegal alien) prisoner and murderer. Not one mention from the media or any politician on how the guy got into our country in the first place and what is being done to prevent more of them coming in. He was a murderer before he got in and continued to murder after he got in.
Stay strapped or get clapped
Those people won't tolerate that woke sex ed. I want to trade those people for the lunatic left.
now!
All deportations should be retroactive. No DACA. No amnesty. No anchor babies.
Alright New Orleans made it in at # 8!
USA! USA! USA!
Rape, murder and robbery numbers in the US are going to explode.
i dont know why im saying this but new orleans is 58.1% black
Chicago?
Always comforting knowing you have a 0.1% chance of being literally murdered on any given day.
Can't imagine why
Not in a small town.
I just want to talk numbers for a second:
Min of 300k people and a murder rate of almost 200/100k. That means 600 murders per year. That means each year, 0.2% of the population dies by murder.
The overall death rate in Mexico is 6.297/1k, or 630/100k. That means 1 out of every 3 deaths in Colima is due to murder.
That's fucking insane. That's not a city, it's a warzone.
SILVER LINING: that's less people that can come over here!
Build the wall, and a good strong levy on the high side of New Orleans.
Es mi culture ese
annex mexico and build the wall further south.
Bomb the shit out of mexico for aligning with our enemies and flooding us with their poison-toting delinquents. They are literally a cancer on our balls crippling the whole body.
Now do gun violence and wall those cities up aswell
What about the millions of muslims coming across ALL the US borders; the real major threat; the 10 cities you cite use the role model of Islam like all tyrants used it. Grow the drug trade to overtake the US. The spread of Islam is the NWO plan of campaign leading to communism.
Islam has been the role model of many world conquering factions; it's the perfect bedfellow of communism; actually one and the same model of government.
Take away morals and the world is the oyster for all civil unrest.
It's really time for this to become a constant talking point for non migrant Americans despite what your party is. I would wear this proudly if it were T shirt
Wheres the George Soros for our side that will provide such merch for free, for the cause?