You will get over it. My daughter who no longer talsk to me said in our final argument that I love Donald Trump more than I love her. She was right so what could I say to that.
No she was raised the same as my other 2 kids given the same things. I paid for 4 years of college and she finished Dental school but just became distant and that was the end of our relationship with her family.
Start by loving your daughter at least as much or more than you love a famous celebrity businessman turned politician whom you've never met and have no personal relationship with.
TELL HIM HE IS RIGHT, THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THE ERROR OF YOUR WAYS AND ARE NOT MAGA ANYMORE. IN FACT BECAUSE OF HIM YOU HAVE REALIZED THAT YOU ARE TRANS AND ARE ALREADY TAKING HORMONES AND HAVE SCHEDULED YOUR SURGERY.
TELL HIM THIS WITH A STRAIGHT FACE AND MAINTAIN IT LONG ENOUGH FOR HIM TO REALIZE THAT HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS.
I didn't talk to my dad for 15 years for no other reason but because he was a selfish prick. He is better now and we talk, but I think the surprising thing for me was just how easy it was to rid of a toxic person out of your life that you are "supposed to love" unconditionally.
Right here with you brother... We've spoken this year for the first time in 15 years but we don't chit-chat or hangout. I'm not inviting that toxicity back into our lives.
Yep, you created 1/2 of me. Thanks. Now, stay over there.
Thankfully, I wasn't part of it, I hear he and mom went Canada level vaxtarded covidiots.
Yeah, since before Trump my whole message to him was "Get to know me and you'll see that we agree on a lot more than you realize." Any normal person would see that as a positive. The final straw for me was last September, I mentioned concern about how divided the country is and Biden's Red Light speech didn't help. I asked if he thought I was the biggest threat to our country. He screeched "If you're MAGA, yes!!" I reminded him I'm a reflection of him and he raised me and asked again. "Yes!!".
So, to honor that he's my father, I call him on his birthday and Father's day for a quick conversation. Other than that, I figure he knows where I am and my phone number. Got a call at 10:30pm on my birthday.
Nice. My father in law is a devout democrap voter. He is also very old school and viscerally hates tranny shit. I explained that Joe Biden is the one forcing it on the military and in the schools. I show him proof. I explain how Trump was the ONLY one tearing that bullshit out of our institutions. My father in law asks why? Why would Biden do that? I say he's controlled by the CCP and we're at war. He looks at me confused and just doesn't get it. I buy him a 6pack of Bud light.
BTW, in a addition to my own father, I have a similar father-in-law. Fortunately his daughter is MAGA. Crazy thing is, her parents are devout Catholic (like church 3x per week) and were always strong conservative Republican. Something happened in 2016 and now they're pro-abortion, LGBT, BLM supporters with severe TDS. It's really strange. So.....wife and I are in the same MAGA boat.
Same with me and the wife. We were so young and dumb when we married and are lucky to have grown smarter together and find we are politically on the same page although I'm more enthusiastic and extrovertly MAGA she is ride or die. I sometimes feel like her dad must feel I've corrupted his little girl and that makes me kinda sad but it doesn't stop me from slipping Biden Zer0 cents coins and Gold Trump silver dollars is his pockets if I've been drinking.
wow! They fell off the sanctity train hard, down a cliff, hitting rocks all the way down and splattered on boulders. This is why we pray for the perseverance of the faithful.
Funny thing.... my mom is 5'4'', dad is 5'8'', I'm 6'2'' and I have only one relative over 6''. At a family gathering long ago somebody asked how I got so tall. I quipped "I don't know, ask the milkman." Everybody laughed, except my mom. I've decided not to get a 23andMe test, life's better that way. lol
It's been a long process. Last time I saw him was Christmas before COVID. Politics were avoided for the first several days, then he mentioned "Muh, Trump..." about something. What happened next was incredible. His wife, a retired school teacher, was sitting at the kitchen table and she started rocking back and forth in her chair, wringing her hands and shaking. Honest to God, shaking. Totally went haywire at the mention of the name.
Human programming at it's finest. Words triggered an Anxiety response and most likely a Fight or Flight response; she wanted out of there. But your Dad decided to fight. It's tough man. I can't wait to make the Media Pigs Pay for what they've done. Again good luck and best wishes.
Maybe she was shaking with anxiety because she witnessed the Dad go batshit with rage or craziness every time Trump's name is mentioned and was preparing for the ensuing shit storm.
Making nice is useless, so is arguing details with the mentally broken. The only thing that will reach piece of shit leftists in your family at this point is shame and to make them as angry as possible.
You need to tell them that there are hundreds of thousands of dead because of the shit they support including kids ls picking up cluster minions and little bits of metal going into their brains. You need to turn their language of hate against them.
Tell them explicitly they are disgusting and immoral. That children are being killed and mutilated and abused and raped every day because of the party they support. They have destroyed every community and minority they claim to care about and been used to help elites steal and abuse.
Tell them you find them revolting and that they have betrayed every value they once claimed to have. They have failed to use the reason they were endowed with and become have fascist and fools.
Most leftists in their bubble are used to insulting and condemning expectating to wear down opponents into silence by personal attacks on opponents morality.
They aren't prepared for something to point out that they are projecting, supporting and promoting the most murderous political movement (leftism) in human history.
"I am disappointed, saddened and disgusted by you views. "
Agree. I don't bother with arguing details any longer. He still thinks Russia fixed the 2016 election and Hunter's laptop is a plant.
What seems to get through is when I give examples of how I am a reflection of him. Ex: "I learned my critical thinking skills from you. Remember when you taught me..... I don't understand why you've stopped using those same skills on things like COVID." It really confuses him, doesn't know how to respond, changes the subject.
I’m surrounded by some moronic siblings. One is so bad that he obsesses over the my pillow guy. He and another sibling trashed me via email and then he forwarded the emails to me. He’s a real Dick. I try to be decent to him but I can only take small doses.
My dad is a dumbass too and an alcoholic. He doesn't hate me for being a trump supporter but we can't talk politics. He loves to gaslight and he's so stubborn and he argues facts that he's 100% wrong about until he's blue in the face it's crazy. Needless to say I don't spend much time with him. I try to be a good son though. If your dad can't overlook your politics then that's horrible. Try to forgive him. You may have no choice to be around him but just try to be a good son. All you can do. Make sure you have no regrets.
Been there too, but I couldn't play that card even if I had the stomach for it. My parents actually agree on principle with every issue, but believe every BS Dem premise and get a bluescreen when alternative ("disinfo") is presented, receipts or not. Usually turns to screaming and hissing whenever challenged immediately from them, yet they think I'm irrational and the one who has been duped. Kind of stung when one time my Dad accidentally wondered out loud "When did you become so evil?" I still try to slowly and patiently red pill them one inch at a time, but it's not very promising.
Anyway, I think Boomers have been totally controlled by their TV. They grew up relying on it and think they have the tools to evaluate it. Other sources are confusing and need some savvy to navigate. I mean, even Wikipedia and search engines are garbage.
edit: the funny thing about my parents is, if I pretended to be Trans like that, they'd think "fuck off that's disgusting", and you'd think I got them to turn against the Dems. But no. They think there's no way something that crazy exists. If it does, it's just one or two cases ("Republicans pounced on it"). Maybe the counter move is to get them exposed as bigots to the left online so they realize they're in an intolerant, evil cult. Unfortunately, it's a pyrrhic victory at best.
Your dad called you evil to your face? Man, that's when I would have walked away. Like, the only reason to say something like that is to hurt the other person.
Yeah. Seemed to slip out, and I was walking away after it too. Then both my parents who were there started to deny it ever happened, which I basically took as an informal apology or something.
I wouldn't have taken it as an apology. I would have taken it as them being cowardly weasels who were trying to gaslight me because they wanted to hurt me but didn't want me to fight back.
But my grandmother is a narcissist who does this kind of shit all the time, so I have a much lower tolerance for it.
When you point it out... you have a point. I realize I'd never do that to others.
I may have been over tolerant because I don't expect anything from them. I think they try to do the right thing and if I had been in their circumstances I'd make the same mistakes, largely. I don't expect anything from them and though it sounds arrogant to say of my parents I think I'm wiser at this point, and it's like hoping for children to grow up with them.
I guess it's different because it sounds like your grandmother consciously says shit like that to make it sting, whereas my parents have a set of NPC beliefs and were just following their stupid premises to their natural conclusion. Though when talking about it now, it is probably worse than I acknowledged. It's disappointing that they would question my entire morality before they'd question their premises. I can't really make excuses for them, but I think they're mostly misguided. I kind of tolerate their horrible beliefs at the moment ... while they think they're being nice to me by doing the same (usually they just try not to talk about politics to avoid it and probably think they're being saints by tolerating me, with my "evil" MAGA beliefs).
I may be being too lenient here again, but I think boomers can easily be lost in the infowar. It's too ridiculous from the POV of normie boomers. Once you accept a few of the core beliefs it just cascades into a trap. I hope I'm wrong, but I fear they're like the people chained in Plato's cave and for people like that we have to takeover the running of the cave (i.e., change America and it's culture to MAGA) before hoping they'll become aware.
Definitely. When my alcoholic father fired me from the family business and called me a slut and a whore and accused me of sleeping with my then boyfriend (I did not - I successfully practiced abstinence before I got married) that's when I finally decided I would not tolerate him anymore. I haven't spoken to him since.
What was my crime to make him explode like this? I didn't wish him a Happy New Year because I figured he was asleep at midnight. I'm serious. That's how dumb alcoholics are.
I can't imagine a scenario where it would be ok to be a weak ass, dem simp in front of a son that pretty much had to learn to be a man in spite of his beta dad.
Maybe challenge his manhood in front of a crowd. Call him a weak fag and constantly tell him to toughen up. Maybe he'll get tired of being a pussy and rise to the challenge of not having his son/grandsons remember him for being a wimpy bitch.
My dads a rino and it kills me though lately he's been jumping on my coat tales with inflation and realizing Trump is going to win. (He wanted DeSantis)
He still won't recognize voter fraud, I feel like he is the general amount of baby boomers
Man I hate to hear that. I feel like a big part of what makes us get along is our politics. No matter how many random opinions there are in the world if your dad agrees with it, it feels like the right thing to do.
I'd hate it if he was dumb enough to buy into lib/ rino bullshit. He's usually a step behind me, but he eventually gets there. Hell, he even quit watching fox the night of the election. And the list of woke companies on his shit list is nearly as long as mine.
So we spend our weekends floating around coastal Florida, fishing from a boat with no less than 12 Trump flags hanging off it. And while I know he's getting old, I won't have to look back and regret not getting along with him.
But it wasn't always this way, once upon a time he was singing the praises of mit romney. maybe if you keep working on it. Your dad will come around.
In most cases, I don't even think its their fault. They came up in a time where both sides were more moderate. But those days are over.
Even my 12yr old son is full MAGA and talks politics with his grandpa all the time.
Mine realized fox was full of shit so he started watching ABC...
I dont know what to say here, the man and his teacher wife are deluded as fuck and its funny becuase they are rich but he just realized oh they may not have enough .oney becuase of inflation
Lol mit Romney
Good luck to you brother hopefully you show him soon
My dad at least agreed to vote for Trump if he wins the primary... lmao if lmao
How do you "hash it out" when the other person thinks YOU PERSONALLY are a bad person? Read my other comments. Seriously, I'm open to advice on how to go about it.
There are books about cult deprogramming, persuasion, etc, sometimes Amazon reviews are helpful for picking one. Or use the Socratic method of questioning.
Why would anyone want to break off family ties because of politicians in suits in DC that they've never met? I understand distancing yourself due to life choices leading to sin against God but politics is gay, no reason to make you family suffer because of it.
Appreciate your feedback, I really struggle with it. Here's the conclusion I've come to. I honor the fact that he's my father with occasional contact (birthday / father's day). I don't cut him off, but I don't go out of my way to be part of his life. Funny thing is, he makes no effort to reach out to me, so I move forward. Bible says honor your parents, it doesn't say you have to like them.
I had a complicated relationship with both of my parents and tried to do the best I could under the circumstances. Our relationship was tense for decades. Nothing changed. They've since passed away. Even though I definitely wasn't perfect, at least I can look back without kicking myself for not trying harder.
It sounds to me like you're handling the situation in the best possible way. Keep going, even if nothing changes on their end. At least you'll have peace of mind when it comes to your own attitude and conduct.
Glad you're at peace with how you handled your situation. I'm trying to keep the perspective of doing the best I can with things that are in my control and not worry about the things that aren't. The discussion on this post has been helpful. Pede therapy.
Remember that you truly honor your parents when you live a good honorable life. They don't have to be in yours if they don't respect and love you. You honor them simply by the way you live your life and raise your kids and love your wife.
Here's the thing, though - your politics are a direct representation of your values. If someone's values are so different to mine that we disagree on the fundamental value and nature of human life, the innate rights of man, the nature of justice,, and the ultimate purpose of marriage and sexuality, then that's a person I don't want around my kids, regardless of how many genes we have in common.
The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.
Politicians are replaced, but the political ideology is not. I'm not saying that you should let the Trump/DeSantis divide ruin your family, I'm saying that if you are fundamentally ideologically opposed on the most important issues - what is life, what is a human being, what is justice - then you cannot exist together harmoniously.
No idea. Best explanation I've seen is that it's a corruption or anglicization of an Arabic proverb, "the blood of the covenant is thicker than a mother's milk."
Don't worry about it. You can beat his ass anyway. Make sure he knows it.
Whatever form of punishment he used on you when you were little, intimidate him with the exact same thing with the lesson to learn being that DJT is the best POTUS in living memory.
The relationship's ruined anyway, right? Make your position as clear as possible.
This is a major paradigm shift for most people. It's empowering and liberating, as much as I hate that the left would try to claim even those concepts for their own agenda.
Will your Dad follow you based on a show of strength? Fear is a poor substitute for respect, but it does work. All the best to you, Fren ...
I want you all to read this and I hope that it registers:
All those relatives that you feel sorry for and try not to annoy with the truth will either turn their back on you or turn you in to the left if the time comes.
I was born and raised under communism. Please understand you see them as your family while they see you as the enemy.
I'm so glad you shared this. All my adult life I've been the political outcast in my family but I smiled and tolerated the differences because we were family. That all changed with COVID when it became very clear that they would all idly stand by and watch if I were taken to an anti-vaxer quarantine camp. They would say "Well, we told him should get vaccinated and he wouldn't listen.". I no longer pretend we'll defend one another as family.
You will get over it. My daughter who no longer talsk to me said in our final argument that I love Donald Trump more than I love her. She was right so what could I say to that.
Kek!
are there things you wish you did differently when raising her? not trying to be a jerk, genuinely curious as i have an infant daughter
Don't underestimate the power of the Deep state. Your puny parent skills and time outs are no match for the power of the .edu!
Homeschool.
This!
No she was raised the same as my other 2 kids given the same things. I paid for 4 years of college and she finished Dental school but just became distant and that was the end of our relationship with her family.
So her college was free for her then? You should have had her work jobs that are minimum wage because of illegal immigrants.
fair enough, thanks for responding
Start by loving your daughter at least as much or more than you love a famous celebrity businessman turned politician whom you've never met and have no personal relationship with.
lol obviously. i thought what he said was pretty extreme/ridiculous too but i wanted to hear his response either way
well, his daughter was being a bitch, and cutting communication off w him that very day, so maybe he has a decent point?
maybe but you have to agree saying you love a politician more than your own child is a bit much
we can agree there.
TELL HIM HE IS RIGHT, THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THE ERROR OF YOUR WAYS AND ARE NOT MAGA ANYMORE. IN FACT BECAUSE OF HIM YOU HAVE REALIZED THAT YOU ARE TRANS AND ARE ALREADY TAKING HORMONES AND HAVE SCHEDULED YOUR SURGERY.
TELL HIM THIS WITH A STRAIGHT FACE AND MAINTAIN IT LONG ENOUGH FOR HIM TO REALIZE THAT HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS.
THEN HAVE EPIC LULZ.
I'd just never talk to my dad again.
I didn't talk to my dad for 15 years for no other reason but because he was a selfish prick. He is better now and we talk, but I think the surprising thing for me was just how easy it was to rid of a toxic person out of your life that you are "supposed to love" unconditionally.
Some think family means you have carte blanche to treat them like shit, I don't put up with bullshit from anyone
Exactly. Get away from toxic family members.
Right here with you brother... We've spoken this year for the first time in 15 years but we don't chit-chat or hangout. I'm not inviting that toxicity back into our lives.
Yep, you created 1/2 of me. Thanks. Now, stay over there.
Thankfully, I wasn't part of it, I hear he and mom went Canada level vaxtarded covidiots.
Yeah, since before Trump my whole message to him was "Get to know me and you'll see that we agree on a lot more than you realize." Any normal person would see that as a positive. The final straw for me was last September, I mentioned concern about how divided the country is and Biden's Red Light speech didn't help. I asked if he thought I was the biggest threat to our country. He screeched "If you're MAGA, yes!!" I reminded him I'm a reflection of him and he raised me and asked again. "Yes!!".
So, to honor that he's my father, I call him on his birthday and Father's day for a quick conversation. Other than that, I figure he knows where I am and my phone number. Got a call at 10:30pm on my birthday.
Brain washed, Maddow cult clown world.
You are a better man than I.
With someone that low, I wouldn't bother.
Amen.
Nice. My father in law is a devout democrap voter. He is also very old school and viscerally hates tranny shit. I explained that Joe Biden is the one forcing it on the military and in the schools. I show him proof. I explain how Trump was the ONLY one tearing that bullshit out of our institutions. My father in law asks why? Why would Biden do that? I say he's controlled by the CCP and we're at war. He looks at me confused and just doesn't get it. I buy him a 6pack of Bud light.
AND NOW YOU HAVE TWO MOMS.
Made me chuckle.
BTW, in a addition to my own father, I have a similar father-in-law. Fortunately his daughter is MAGA. Crazy thing is, her parents are devout Catholic (like church 3x per week) and were always strong conservative Republican. Something happened in 2016 and now they're pro-abortion, LGBT, BLM supporters with severe TDS. It's really strange. So.....wife and I are in the same MAGA boat.
The Pope ain't Catholic... that's what happened.
The Church has lost Her way, and many of the "true adherents" have followed.
Same with me and the wife. We were so young and dumb when we married and are lucky to have grown smarter together and find we are politically on the same page although I'm more enthusiastic and extrovertly MAGA she is ride or die. I sometimes feel like her dad must feel I've corrupted his little girl and that makes me kinda sad but it doesn't stop me from slipping Biden Zer0 cents coins and Gold Trump silver dollars is his pockets if I've been drinking.
Did they read Mark Shea's blog? Or Simcha Fisher?
wow! They fell off the sanctity train hard, down a cliff, hitting rocks all the way down and splattered on boulders. This is why we pray for the perseverance of the faithful.
I'll pray for your in-laws and you and your wife.
Tell that dork that the old democrats died when they assassinated JFK and RFK.
Ask your mom who your real father is.
Funny thing.... my mom is 5'4'', dad is 5'8'', I'm 6'2'' and I have only one relative over 6''. At a family gathering long ago somebody asked how I got so tall. I quipped "I don't know, ask the milkman." Everybody laughed, except my mom. I've decided not to get a 23andMe test, life's better that way. lol
Could be you jest ate better and went to sleep earlier then them.
See if he goes into the classic "Does Not Compute" short-circuit loop and eventually he'll just freeze McConnell Style.
I do empathize with you in being estranged from relatives... it's painful. Good luck.
It's been a long process. Last time I saw him was Christmas before COVID. Politics were avoided for the first several days, then he mentioned "Muh, Trump..." about something. What happened next was incredible. His wife, a retired school teacher, was sitting at the kitchen table and she started rocking back and forth in her chair, wringing her hands and shaking. Honest to God, shaking. Totally went haywire at the mention of the name.
Human programming at it's finest. Words triggered an Anxiety response and most likely a Fight or Flight response; she wanted out of there. But your Dad decided to fight. It's tough man. I can't wait to make the Media Pigs Pay for what they've done. Again good luck and best wishes.
Maybe she was shaking with anxiety because she witnessed the Dad go batshit with rage or craziness every time Trump's name is mentioned and was preparing for the ensuing shit storm.
Why are YOU projecting your horrid life and parents on others. Yeesh. The Butch Psychiatrist is THAT Way.
Making nice is useless, so is arguing details with the mentally broken. The only thing that will reach piece of shit leftists in your family at this point is shame and to make them as angry as possible.
You need to tell them that there are hundreds of thousands of dead because of the shit they support including kids ls picking up cluster minions and little bits of metal going into their brains. You need to turn their language of hate against them.
Tell them explicitly they are disgusting and immoral. That children are being killed and mutilated and abused and raped every day because of the party they support. They have destroyed every community and minority they claim to care about and been used to help elites steal and abuse.
Tell them you find them revolting and that they have betrayed every value they once claimed to have. They have failed to use the reason they were endowed with and become have fascist and fools.
Most leftists in their bubble are used to insulting and condemning expectating to wear down opponents into silence by personal attacks on opponents morality.
They aren't prepared for something to point out that they are projecting, supporting and promoting the most murderous political movement (leftism) in human history.
"I am disappointed, saddened and disgusted by you views. "
Agree. I don't bother with arguing details any longer. He still thinks Russia fixed the 2016 election and Hunter's laptop is a plant.
What seems to get through is when I give examples of how I am a reflection of him. Ex: "I learned my critical thinking skills from you. Remember when you taught me..... I don't understand why you've stopped using those same skills on things like COVID." It really confuses him, doesn't know how to respond, changes the subject.
When they change the subject, you know you've won.
Exactly. Be the better...woman, lol
I’m surrounded by some moronic siblings. One is so bad that he obsesses over the my pillow guy. He and another sibling trashed me via email and then he forwarded the emails to me. He’s a real Dick. I try to be decent to him but I can only take small doses.
You sound like a dumb bitch lol.
You sound like a twat. So what’s your point? Lol.
My dad is a dumbass too and an alcoholic. He doesn't hate me for being a trump supporter but we can't talk politics. He loves to gaslight and he's so stubborn and he argues facts that he's 100% wrong about until he's blue in the face it's crazy. Needless to say I don't spend much time with him. I try to be a good son though. If your dad can't overlook your politics then that's horrible. Try to forgive him. You may have no choice to be around him but just try to be a good son. All you can do. Make sure you have no regrets.
Thanks fren. I try your approach. Makes it a bit easier that we're 1500 miles apart.
Sounds like he may be a narcissist.
Thought so myself
I can relate to having an alcoholic father. It's not fun, even if he is a conservative Trump supporter. Still a very toxic person to be around.
Been there too, but I couldn't play that card even if I had the stomach for it. My parents actually agree on principle with every issue, but believe every BS Dem premise and get a bluescreen when alternative ("disinfo") is presented, receipts or not. Usually turns to screaming and hissing whenever challenged immediately from them, yet they think I'm irrational and the one who has been duped. Kind of stung when one time my Dad accidentally wondered out loud "When did you become so evil?" I still try to slowly and patiently red pill them one inch at a time, but it's not very promising.
Anyway, I think Boomers have been totally controlled by their TV. They grew up relying on it and think they have the tools to evaluate it. Other sources are confusing and need some savvy to navigate. I mean, even Wikipedia and search engines are garbage.
edit: the funny thing about my parents is, if I pretended to be Trans like that, they'd think "fuck off that's disgusting", and you'd think I got them to turn against the Dems. But no. They think there's no way something that crazy exists. If it does, it's just one or two cases ("Republicans pounced on it"). Maybe the counter move is to get them exposed as bigots to the left online so they realize they're in an intolerant, evil cult. Unfortunately, it's a pyrrhic victory at best.
Your dad called you evil to your face? Man, that's when I would have walked away. Like, the only reason to say something like that is to hurt the other person.
Yeah. Seemed to slip out, and I was walking away after it too. Then both my parents who were there started to deny it ever happened, which I basically took as an informal apology or something.
I wouldn't have taken it as an apology. I would have taken it as them being cowardly weasels who were trying to gaslight me because they wanted to hurt me but didn't want me to fight back.
But my grandmother is a narcissist who does this kind of shit all the time, so I have a much lower tolerance for it.
When you point it out... you have a point. I realize I'd never do that to others.
I may have been over tolerant because I don't expect anything from them. I think they try to do the right thing and if I had been in their circumstances I'd make the same mistakes, largely. I don't expect anything from them and though it sounds arrogant to say of my parents I think I'm wiser at this point, and it's like hoping for children to grow up with them.
I guess it's different because it sounds like your grandmother consciously says shit like that to make it sting, whereas my parents have a set of NPC beliefs and were just following their stupid premises to their natural conclusion. Though when talking about it now, it is probably worse than I acknowledged. It's disappointing that they would question my entire morality before they'd question their premises. I can't really make excuses for them, but I think they're mostly misguided. I kind of tolerate their horrible beliefs at the moment ... while they think they're being nice to me by doing the same (usually they just try not to talk about politics to avoid it and probably think they're being saints by tolerating me, with my "evil" MAGA beliefs).
I may be being too lenient here again, but I think boomers can easily be lost in the infowar. It's too ridiculous from the POV of normie boomers. Once you accept a few of the core beliefs it just cascades into a trap. I hope I'm wrong, but I fear they're like the people chained in Plato's cave and for people like that we have to takeover the running of the cave (i.e., change America and it's culture to MAGA) before hoping they'll become aware.
The cowardly always mutter things under their breathe behind a person's back.
Definitely. When my alcoholic father fired me from the family business and called me a slut and a whore and accused me of sleeping with my then boyfriend (I did not - I successfully practiced abstinence before I got married) that's when I finally decided I would not tolerate him anymore. I haven't spoken to him since.
What was my crime to make him explode like this? I didn't wish him a Happy New Year because I figured he was asleep at midnight. I'm serious. That's how dumb alcoholics are.
Correct dems don't even realize the evil they support its fucking ridiculous
Sorry to hear that. Move on.
Tell him you identify as a bastard.
Sorry your dad is a fag.
If he was a homo this problem wouldn't exist.
Not a homo. A fag.
BIG diff.
Yeah Bill Mitchell type fag
So a bundle of fags?
sorry to hear that fren. tell him to fuck off and never talk to you again you'll be better off. too many people want you to fail, cut them out.
My parents are fucking weirdos also. I doubt I will ever speak to them again. They are dead to me.
I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe some day you'll be able to handle small doses. For your own peace of mind, not to do any favor for them.
My dad is MAGA as fuck.
I can't imagine a scenario where it would be ok to be a weak ass, dem simp in front of a son that pretty much had to learn to be a man in spite of his beta dad.
Maybe challenge his manhood in front of a crowd. Call him a weak fag and constantly tell him to toughen up. Maybe he'll get tired of being a pussy and rise to the challenge of not having his son/grandsons remember him for being a wimpy bitch.
My dads a rino and it kills me though lately he's been jumping on my coat tales with inflation and realizing Trump is going to win. (He wanted DeSantis)
He still won't recognize voter fraud, I feel like he is the general amount of baby boomers
Man I hate to hear that. I feel like a big part of what makes us get along is our politics. No matter how many random opinions there are in the world if your dad agrees with it, it feels like the right thing to do.
I'd hate it if he was dumb enough to buy into lib/ rino bullshit. He's usually a step behind me, but he eventually gets there. Hell, he even quit watching fox the night of the election. And the list of woke companies on his shit list is nearly as long as mine.
So we spend our weekends floating around coastal Florida, fishing from a boat with no less than 12 Trump flags hanging off it. And while I know he's getting old, I won't have to look back and regret not getting along with him.
But it wasn't always this way, once upon a time he was singing the praises of mit romney. maybe if you keep working on it. Your dad will come around.
In most cases, I don't even think its their fault. They came up in a time where both sides were more moderate. But those days are over.
Even my 12yr old son is full MAGA and talks politics with his grandpa all the time.
Mine realized fox was full of shit so he started watching ABC...
I dont know what to say here, the man and his teacher wife are deluded as fuck and its funny becuase they are rich but he just realized oh they may not have enough .oney becuase of inflation
Lol mit Romney
Good luck to you brother hopefully you show him soon
My dad at least agreed to vote for Trump if he wins the primary... lmao if lmao
It is a cult, and I would double check that he is your actual father for several reasons
How do you "hash it out" when the other person thinks YOU PERSONALLY are a bad person? Read my other comments. Seriously, I'm open to advice on how to go about it.
There are books about cult deprogramming, persuasion, etc, sometimes Amazon reviews are helpful for picking one. Or use the Socratic method of questioning.
Good thought, thanks.
It’ll make for an interesting Thanksgiving conversation topic.
Lol
tell him you have ALWAYS been trans. that should do it
actual quad brain move if you do it
Sadly weare a drop of sanity in an ocean of madness...
A Mega Trans that dads brain will fry. Record his melt down.
Why would anyone want to break off family ties because of politicians in suits in DC that they've never met? I understand distancing yourself due to life choices leading to sin against God but politics is gay, no reason to make you family suffer because of it.
That's just my opinion though.
Appreciate your feedback, I really struggle with it. Here's the conclusion I've come to. I honor the fact that he's my father with occasional contact (birthday / father's day). I don't cut him off, but I don't go out of my way to be part of his life. Funny thing is, he makes no effort to reach out to me, so I move forward. Bible says honor your parents, it doesn't say you have to like them.
I get that. I had a strained relationship with my father was well but it wasn't over politics. You're doing the right thing.
I had a complicated relationship with both of my parents and tried to do the best I could under the circumstances. Our relationship was tense for decades. Nothing changed. They've since passed away. Even though I definitely wasn't perfect, at least I can look back without kicking myself for not trying harder.
It sounds to me like you're handling the situation in the best possible way. Keep going, even if nothing changes on their end. At least you'll have peace of mind when it comes to your own attitude and conduct.
Glad you're at peace with how you handled your situation. I'm trying to keep the perspective of doing the best I can with things that are in my control and not worry about the things that aren't. The discussion on this post has been helpful. Pede therapy.
Remember that you truly honor your parents when you live a good honorable life. They don't have to be in yours if they don't respect and love you. You honor them simply by the way you live your life and raise your kids and love your wife.
Then I've done a good job, one I can be proud of. Thanks for sharing this bit of perspective.
Here's the thing, though - your politics are a direct representation of your values. If someone's values are so different to mine that we disagree on the fundamental value and nature of human life, the innate rights of man, the nature of justice,, and the ultimate purpose of marriage and sexuality, then that's a person I don't want around my kids, regardless of how many genes we have in common.
The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.
Politicians are replaced (when elections aren't rigged) but family cannot be. Just something to think about.
Politicians are replaced, but the political ideology is not. I'm not saying that you should let the Trump/DeSantis divide ruin your family, I'm saying that if you are fundamentally ideologically opposed on the most important issues - what is life, what is a human being, what is justice - then you cannot exist together harmoniously.
Blood is thicker than politics. Don't hate him just refuse to talk politics with him.
"The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb."
I am afraid to ask but where is that quote from?
No idea. Best explanation I've seen is that it's a corruption or anglicization of an Arabic proverb, "the blood of the covenant is thicker than a mother's milk."
Don't worry about it. You can beat his ass anyway. Make sure he knows it.
Whatever form of punishment he used on you when you were little, intimidate him with the exact same thing with the lesson to learn being that DJT is the best POTUS in living memory.
The relationship's ruined anyway, right? Make your position as clear as possible.
Get out the belt!
This is a major paradigm shift for most people. It's empowering and liberating, as much as I hate that the left would try to claim even those concepts for their own agenda.
Will your Dad follow you based on a show of strength? Fear is a poor substitute for respect, but it does work. All the best to you, Fren ...
I want you all to read this and I hope that it registers:
All those relatives that you feel sorry for and try not to annoy with the truth will either turn their back on you or turn you in to the left if the time comes.
I was born and raised under communism. Please understand you see them as your family while they see you as the enemy.
I'm so glad you shared this. All my adult life I've been the political outcast in my family but I smiled and tolerated the differences because we were family. That all changed with COVID when it became very clear that they would all idly stand by and watch if I were taken to an anti-vaxer quarantine camp. They would say "Well, we told him should get vaccinated and he wouldn't listen.". I no longer pretend we'll defend one another as family.
No, no, I think that your father made your small brain explode, dumbass! You are literally pretending to be a tranny to upset your father. Wow!
Dad!! You're on PDW? I didn't know!!