Legit, he may have made two calls; sounded like the homeowner called 911. Didn't help that the dispatcher was dumber than the mouse my cat killed this morning.
My first plane crash was easy. Found the tail, realized the cockpit was in the tail and the engine was in the cockpit. Called the medical examiner while the state and fed people started filtering in. Granted, it was a piper instead of a 5th stealth fighter, but it wasn’t rocket surgery lol.
First of two. Direct work with piper cub into a field, and many years later when I was no longer a paramedic, a small twin engine business jet (little 6 passenger hole in the ground) that crashed on my way to work (runway approach road). My experience with the second one was limited to watching a fireball roll across the street and exclaiming “holy shit” like a normie.
As long as there are things people do, there will be people dying doing those things.
yeah, that is the result of protocols that the dispatchers have to follow (thanks ProQA and The Academies!) they literally take all the thinking out of the call takers and turn them into dummies who read a script instead of using critical thinking.
Surprised they haven't shipped off these call centers overseas...
Next year we'll call 911 because we're trapped in a burning car, only to have Apu go through a retarded flip file of responses in a thick accent as you fade away from life...
Ejection in a Zero/Zero seat is pretty serious. The spine compression alone makes them an inch shorter for a few days. Medically, you only get two ejections and then they yank your wings.
The seat is meant to throw the pilot away from a wreck as if it was sitting on the ground not moving (0/0). It has to lift the pilot up and away from an exploding fireball. It has to be high and far enough for the chute to open and get two swings before it hits the ground. It's like 50Gs. Its no joke.
Seats are like that now. Way back in Vietnam, if my memory serves me correct, the seats were like 250/500 seats or something. If the AC was on the ground, you popped the canopy and ran for it. The Ejection seats worked while you were flying until you were in the landing enevelope, and then it became safer to try and land the bird. Fires were pretty common, and ejecting through the canopy often happened.
Gosh 'Grumpy', our PR, had plenty of horror stories about seats to tell on night shift. If you can remember videos of the sled in the desert doing ejections testing seats, those saved a lot of lives.
Seen that happen too. You don't to far as a Naval Aviator if getting your aircraft home safe isn't high on your list of things to do when you put on your G-suit.
I think a plan falling out of the sky might cause secondary damage beyond the pilot himself. Sounds like he was concerned for whatever civilians may have been in the area of where the plan landed.
It’s honestly good thinking to make them aware as early as possible. (I didn’t listen to the audio though)
Probably wanted to be picked up by a civilian ambulance instead of a Left Wing Death Squad. Also a good idea to alert more than just military command about the missing aircraft.
I have to disagree with most here, on the phone call his adrenaline is pretty spiked. He called 911 with a serious concern for civilian safety since he had no idea where the plane even went afterwards. I have to assume he blacked out on ejection at least long enough to not know where he was. Anyways my assumption is local authorities would be the better bet to call to make sure the jet didn't hurt anyone and would explain the out reach sort of for the public to help. Anyways it reads to much like top gun II, so I'm conspiratorial about that for sure.
In addition to the potential spinal injuries, there was also a jet full of flammable stuff like fuel and possibly explosives that should be reported ASAP. Besides as others pointed out, the homeowner made the call.
on the one hand, yeah that's pretty dumb. But on the otherhand (assuming the call is real) yeah calling 911 and saying "there's a plane that probably crashed near by where I am" isn't the worst idea in the world
Looked completely reasonable to me, as opposed to calling up Uncle Sam on his personal cell phone or whatever people think he would do. The military would probably just contact local EMS to find out where to look anyway.
Would the pilot even have his phone with him in the plane? I mean why would you take that up with you at all since you know you're not going to be able to use it while you're flying? I'd imagine it would make more sense if he left his phone in his locker.
I love how the official story isn't really any kind of coverup, nothing really bad happened, and it just sounds more embarrassing for the Marines than anything, but you guys are now just choosing to believe ridiculous theories about militias shooting down fighter jets because...
... I don't know. I literally don't know why you guys are electing to believe some of the dumbest, gayest shit I've ever heard, and I dunno what you even expect to get out of it.
I mean at least with most gay conspiracy theories people at least have trashy 'eyewitness accounts' or fabricated 'evidence'. You guys have a fucking 4chan greentext from a guy who clearly does not know anything about the F-35.
Did you ever think... even for one second... that maybe you're wrong? Or would that require admitting that you're gullible and stupid?
Pilot ejected over a residential area with people, homes, schools, puppies etc. nearby. He ejected at 2000', then the pilotless plane continues on for over 50 miles before crashing.
Seems to me the plane behaved heroically here and potentially saved many lives by getting itself out of that neighborhood and only crashing once it reached a rural area with less people, homes, schools, puppies etc.
It could happen. Those planes are all fly by wire. He could have lost any control over the plane, and perhaps his instruments went dead. The area was heavily cloudy and rainy at the time. He might have had no visibility and no instruments, and decided that ejecting was preferably to potentially flying into the ground.
Just spitballing... I have no idea what happened with his plane.
Isn't it better to land in a populated area where you can more immediately contact authorities vs landing in the middle of nowhere? It sounds like the plane kept going without him, and if he had no control it's not like he can just pilot it somewhere safe and then eject, right?
Ejecting out of any aircraft is alpha as fuck so I don’t know what you’re talking about. You try strapping rockets to your ass hole and flying out of a jet at 500 mph.
This is the only plane in the entire fleet to have a new oxygen generation system for air for the pilot. This is also the third or fourth time that system has failed. When that system fails, the pilot literally is getting choked to death in a tiny box that has all the same air from the same source. This has grounded all of the plane several times while they tried to figure out wtf happened, but clearly haven't fixed it yet.
So, pilot can't breath, ejects, but plane is 100% ok in every other aspect so it'll keep flying.
Which is likely what the standdown was about. There's a few reasons why it could happen, the most notorious case was an F-105 that was stuck in a flat spin, pilot ejected, and the ejection + canopy loss was enough to actually correct the spin and the F-105 just flew the fuck off on its own.
However, 99.999% of the time it shouldn't happen, which suggests he ejected for a dumb reason, which suggests that's what the stand-down and 'training' was about. "Guys unless the aircraft is literally about to explode or hit something, don't eject."
The 4chan post was almost certainly a LARP, but they alleged that the aircraft was practicing a hovering manuever over a forest, and was shot with a 50 cal by a member of a militia that's been active in the area.
While it's unlikely that happened, it certainly wouldn't require an elaborate set up or even particularly impressive skills.
It also probably wouldn't bring down the plane, either. They're more robust than you think. 90% of anywhere you'd hit the plane with a dinky little FMJ .50 BMG would probably definitely NOT bring it down.
Even if you sank one into the engine (which they didn't, because it kept flying) the engine doesn't just EXPLODE, it'll struggle along and begin to disintegrate. They're designed to attempt to survive after ingesting a bird.
And yes, that 4chan post was dumber than hammered shit, anyone who believed that even for a nanosecond needs their head examined.
If it was intentional. I've heard tales of guns shot in the air coming down and actually hitting people. Supposedly it's pretty rare as if effective just comes down in a random spot, but it is possible.
Not saying it was small arms fire, just that if somebody did shoot it, it's possible it wasn't intentional and it was just unlucky.
Seems like a stretch either way, but weird stuff does happen.
Maybe, but there would have been wall to wall military in the area in a heart beat.
And all Marine planes were grounded, and then it was announced that all military planes were to be grounded in a few days. Could be because they ALL use the same software. BUT why tell everyone?
The software they use is also used by Airbus. And I read that the software was stolen from Airbus so...if you want to hack a plane, or a LOT of planes, should be easy.
But I am far more convinced that the plane was sold off to some nation, the pilot was ejected, they didn't eject themselves, the plane flown to a location where it was transferred to the new owners.
No idea who they might be. China? A cartel?? Israel?
They don't do 'training stand-downs' after run of the mill crashes. So here's what probably happened: F-35 was in a strange scenario that put the pilot at a disadvantage (bad weather). F-35 experienced some kind of fault that was caused by an external condition (think: blocked pitot probe or something), and the software responds in an unpredictable way, and the problem that might be recoverable, but the pilot wasn't paying attention or made a bad judgement call, and ejected.
Like, that's it.
That's literally it.
Like fucking 80% of airliner crashes ended up being caused by pilots making bad judgement calls because of situations exactly like what I described.
Instead this forum of complete clowns are thirsty as fuck to believe that some Chinamen hacked it, because you can just 'hack' planes mid-flight... or even better, Cletus and Bubba went out and shot it down with their 10/22s.
the training stand down is because the marines have had 3 crashes in 3 weeks, 2 deadly and 1 an international embarrassment. the pilot cited "aircraft failure". in his words to his CO in the background, "i don't know what happened, something failed". that is just hilarious in these conditions, at this stage of development, for this cost. this is all testament to the decline of the american military.
but you're right about morons and their conspiracies about cletus and china. to be fair, the conspiracy emerged because of the incompetence in locating the crash
that is just hilarious in these conditions, at this stage of development, for this cost. this is all testament to the decline of the american military.
I mean what exactly would you expect? Depending on the nature of the emergency, everything would happen too fast for him to sit there checking fault pages to diagnose it.
Also the F-35 is literally the safest tactical aircraft the military has ever fielded, again, I don't know what you expect. The F-16 practically killed more pilots and had more airframe losses in the first three years than the F-35 has had since it started flying.
Um, I’d expect the albatross to not fail catastrophically and incomprehensibly a few miles from base? Too much to ask?
Spare us those invalid comparisons. The F16 actually advanced the state of the art with crucial innovations like fly by wire. And its ramp up to production was shorter, so its 3 years correspond to ~8 for the F35. And its development and production costs were massively lower, adjusting for inflation.
But what I “expect” doesn’t matter. What the F35 represents is the terminal dissociation of the defense industry’s costs from reality, as part of the total decline of the United States and its military. It will be amusing to see the F35 blown out of the sky by countries with vastly more efficient (i.e. normal) militaries.
I managed a $30M/year (profit) account at one of the largest logistics companies in the world
I shipped between 300-400 packages of precious metals every single night (gold, silver, platinum, copper--if it was a metal, I shipped it)
I could singlehandedly track EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE across six different continents and the location of the aircraft too. I could see where a package was scanned, what scanner was used, who the user was, what package car the package was loaded on, who the driver was, average speed of the vehicle, yadda yadda
You're telling me a fucking F35 drops out of the sky and the military is just like "oopsie"?
Yeah, honestly you sound way more competent than the average diversity hire.
Don't forget that diversity hiring isn't supposed to make the job done better, but to promote equity. And if you look at the goal of communist subversion, which this equity nonsense is, it's make things breakdown.
So yeah, it's not really a surprise that a woke and diverse military that expelled most its capable people is going to just fuck up constantly.
Are you fucking retarded? You're comparing UPS packages to a fighter jet?
Why are you so indignant when you clearly don't know anything at all about military technology, you babbling fag? Maybe you should, I don't know, fucking think before you try to flex about how much smarter you are?
Let's think this through, you colossally stupid paper-shuffling clown. Put on your thinking cap and your try-hard pants and let's follow this.
You have a piece of military technology that any adversary would want to get their hands on. It's stealthy, to boot.
You design this thing to be used in war, and by virtue of stealth, it's likely to be BEHIND enemy lines when in operation.
If your fancy fighter - and the pilot it contains, who also would be a prize for adversaries - gets shot down, why the FUCK would you have a goddamn beacon in it that shouts to everybody 'HERE I AM, COME FIND ME GUYS, FREE F-35 WRECKAGE RIGHT HERE! COME GET IT!', ESPECIALLY since that fucking system would presumably HAVE TO SURVIVE A PLANE CRASH.
Yes, pilots have beacons, but pilots also are expected to determine when it's safe to use it and when it isn't, because any kind of Electronic Warfare aircraft is designed to specifically sniff for certain things, and you goddamn bet if they think they tagged an F-35, they'll be looking for that stupid fucking beacon.
That makes fucking sense in your fucking head? And when exactly would this beacon be useful? For this singular crash?
This is why you're in the mail room, and not designing aircraft. Maybe you could go on tour with Pierre Sprey with your brilliant insights about a plane you've never seen with your own eyes in your entire life.
It was. The homeowner called to report a pilot landed in his backyard and to send an ambulance. The pilot starts to talk while the homeowner was in the call. It doesn’t say that HE (the pilot) placed the call.
This entire F-35 incident is a huge nothingburger but I've never seen a group of people so desperate to humiliate themselves making up the stupidest, gayest shit about it.
Well he was probably in panic mode. He just ejected out of a $100 million piece of equipment and is just calling 911 to give them a heads up of a plane crash, also to get a little help. Ejecting out of a fighter jet is no walk in the park, the spine compression and g force from being in a relatively calm cockpit to being thrust upwards on a rocket chair into 500+ mph winds. I would bet it’s a soul crushing, mind rattling, physically painful and traumatic experience and it’s understandable he thought to call 911 and it sounds like it was more the home owner who called. If I was chilling at home and a guy dressed like a fighter pilot landed in my back yard in a seat with a parachute, I would probably be calling 911 as well. Furthermore, his HQ should have known he bailed from communication between pilot and ATC, the only thing I find weird about this whole situation is why wasn’t the transponder helpful in locating the plane.
"We need to get rescue rolling, I'm not sure where the airplane is. It would have crash-landed. I ejected." - Looking out for possible collateral damage/casualties.
I can picture a powerpoint structure on “chain-of-command.” It starts of calm then devolves into screaming after everyone fails to show where 911 Operator is in the chain-of-command. Followed by a smoke session.
she's like wtf are you talking about? She was legit confused. Literally EVERY video I've ever seen on Youtube of an ejection is like 3-5 seconds before the plane goes down in ball of flames. Literally the pilot is pressing all the buttons until they have no other choice. How can he eject and the plane keep flying for like hours?
Very easily, actually. The loss of the canopy and pilot on top of the ejection event/sequence itself changed the aerodynamics of the aircraft allowing for the flight to continue.
There are amazingly few F35 pilots and you would be surprised of the age and skills required to qualify to pilot these. I am not military, and not pretending to know all of the "ins and outs" but I am friends with a guy that was in charge of selecting and training all of the f35 pilots when it first came avaliable. Something something without the computers, the plane shouldn't be able to fly, and the technical skill and inputs to the controls are very sophisticated and unlike any other fighter.
I will digress one more time by adding I am not military and this is what I was told by an f35 pilot.
Because he's probably a LTC and has many thousands of flight hours and is an expert pilot with a proven track record? I dunno what caused him to eject but I imagine that whatever it was must have been catastrophic because pilots with that sort of experience don't just casually bail out.
The phone call is weird because he didn’t identify himself properly; name, rank, affiliation whom else should be contacted, et al. I stead he gave the Mike Tyson “my back is broken.”, speech version.
Oh, boy we got a retarded one here. I can’t believe I have to explain shit like this to a pedantic dickhead without obvious reading or comprehension skills. Also you are “new” here denoted by the handshake next to your user name.
If you are the pilot of not only a multi-million dollar aircraft but is also a highly sensitive piece of government equipment that you recently have become separated from, it might be prudent to have details to have passed on, since you are probably no longer in comms with the people who need to know where you are and what happened with the plane. Blue’s Clues enough for you so far?
To arrange help with your new found predicament you are going to need to provide basic information for an emergency response. Like your name, who you are affiliated with, what happened, who else to notify, if you need assistance and to what degree and any other information that may be helpful for well being and deconfliction for any further information that may be coming in from third-parties or what information you would like third-parties to know as soon as possible.
Would have been more helpful if his wingman kept visual of the airframe instead of RTB. Could have been a lot more helpful in the recovery efforts, but that is a different story.
But let me flip it on you, what information would you put out to a 911 dispatcher after losing your airframe? Or are you just an argumentative faggot just to be one?
But let me flip it on you, what information would you put out to a 911 dispatcher after losing your airframe?
He's not reporting a fucking 9-line you dipshit, he's saying an aircraft probably crashed somewhere nearby but he doesn't quite know where.
You're literally angry that someone didn't follow made-up instructions that only you have in your imagination. "WELL I COULD HAVE DONE IT BETTER", he wrote, from his shit-reeking trailer, as he pretends to be some kind of expert on military procedures and fighter aircraft.
So he decided to violently eject himself from the aircraft in a storm instead of calmly flying back to base and landing where there is immediate access to medical services???
I'm pretty sure that 911 is a good to call in such a situation because they are good for mobilizing local first responders. Marines won't be able to do nearly as much to immediately help the area where a plane went down.
Hear whatever you want, the whole 'hack the plane' thing is something so fucking dumb even Bruce Willis would've balked at being in a movie with that script.
The F35 does have capability to be remotely piloted, so it not impossible to wonder if it was hacked and taken over. Probably still even has Chinese components in it….
First priority is a response to it, a civilian one, because it went down in civilian areas.
911 is easier to remember to call than some random number you have for command that you probably don't remember at all and only have written down in a notebook.
Asking if they have heard of a plane crash is a good indicator that command also has knowledge of it and is looking for you.
He is asking for rescue to get rolling because he is probably worried that it crashed somewhere that a civilian got hurt. He's fine, someone else may not be, gotta call 911.
This is probably also an SOP........this is probably the first step in the protocol they have for a crash in civilian areas.
not unreasonable actually, smart thinking to get first responders to check if anyone was harmed by the crash...this didn't happen in the middle of nowhere
I’m not sure if he would have known which number to call, seeing how he could have ended up in an endless phone tree. I doubt they have the phone number to call listed on the seat.
Calling 911 is the easiest, they can route if needed
They don't want to admit it, but he ejected when he realized someone else was flying the plane and he was locked out of controls. plane was delivered to buyer.
2k feet and the plane kept flying for how many miles again but being that low no one seemed to see anything? This story gets more retarded everyday. I'm in the flight path of Ft Bragg (FU it ain't liberty) and usually come overhead around 1700-2500 ft depending on the aircraft. Even after all these years of being accustomed to flights you know when stuff is overhead.
So the pilot didn't call the Marines, "Hey guys, I lost the plane...my bad"??
But called 911??
I am having a hard time with this...
Legit, he may have made two calls; sounded like the homeowner called 911. Didn't help that the dispatcher was dumber than the mouse my cat killed this morning.
"The pilot ejected and landed in my yard"
"How far did he fall?"
To be fair, most of the people she deals with who are "ejected" from vehicles aren't doing so hot. This is probably her first parachute call.
My first plane crash was easy. Found the tail, realized the cockpit was in the tail and the engine was in the cockpit. Called the medical examiner while the state and fed people started filtering in. Granted, it was a piper instead of a 5th stealth fighter, but it wasn’t rocket surgery lol.
That said, that is one hell of a cold call.
First?
First of two. Direct work with piper cub into a field, and many years later when I was no longer a paramedic, a small twin engine business jet (little 6 passenger hole in the ground) that crashed on my way to work (runway approach road). My experience with the second one was limited to watching a fireball roll across the street and exclaiming “holy shit” like a normie.
As long as there are things people do, there will be people dying doing those things.
I like that last sentence, that's legit.
His username checks out.
:)
yeah, that is the result of protocols that the dispatchers have to follow (thanks ProQA and The Academies!) they literally take all the thinking out of the call takers and turn them into dummies who read a script instead of using critical thinking.
That's because important information is almost always omitted otherwise.
That's fair.
Surprised they haven't shipped off these call centers overseas...
Next year we'll call 911 because we're trapped in a burning car, only to have Apu go through a retarded flip file of responses in a thick accent as you fade away from life...
Lmao Jerry lost his battle to Tom on this one
Hah, we had a young cat, Pacino by name-he had a scar on his face, who caught a mouse. The mouse got away and hid behind him, right by his tail.
Our boy never found him, each time he turned so did the mouse.
Dude had like 2 scratches. Why call 911 at all?
Ejection in a Zero/Zero seat is pretty serious. The spine compression alone makes them an inch shorter for a few days. Medically, you only get two ejections and then they yank your wings.
The seat is meant to throw the pilot away from a wreck as if it was sitting on the ground not moving (0/0). It has to lift the pilot up and away from an exploding fireball. It has to be high and far enough for the chute to open and get two swings before it hits the ground. It's like 50Gs. Its no joke.
Good info.
How long has the ejection protocol been like that? My Dad flew fighters in Vietnam and never told me that part.
They're all like that. Last resort. Never a fun joyride.
Seats are like that now. Way back in Vietnam, if my memory serves me correct, the seats were like 250/500 seats or something. If the AC was on the ground, you popped the canopy and ran for it. The Ejection seats worked while you were flying until you were in the landing enevelope, and then it became safer to try and land the bird. Fires were pretty common, and ejecting through the canopy often happened.
Gosh 'Grumpy', our PR, had plenty of horror stories about seats to tell on night shift. If you can remember videos of the sled in the desert doing ejections testing seats, those saved a lot of lives.
“Medically”
Yeah, no, I doubt that. You crash more than one multi-million dollar plane, and they pull your wings, is more like it (and rightly so).
There are such people as test pilots. He is right. Some countries though pull your wings after one.
Unless you're Mr. McCain.
Seen that happen too. You don't to far as a Naval Aviator if getting your aircraft home safe isn't high on your list of things to do when you put on your G-suit.
You mean unless you get the rental insurance and then they bring you a new f35 to your hotel on base?
Kek
I think a plan falling out of the sky might cause secondary damage beyond the pilot himself. Sounds like he was concerned for whatever civilians may have been in the area of where the plan landed.
It’s honestly good thinking to make them aware as early as possible. (I didn’t listen to the audio though)
I've had a lot of plans go that way, even some that were more than a hope.
I’m blaming that one on a Freudian slip as well as having a public school education.
“The best laid planes of mice and men often go awry”
:)
https://www.scottishpoetrylibrary.org.uk/poem/mouse/
Wasn't for him. He was concerned others may be injured wherever the jet crashed.
My thought as well
Is that the pilots job?
I'd think the military has protocols in place for that to be done officially.
Probably wanted to be picked up by a civilian ambulance instead of a Left Wing Death Squad. Also a good idea to alert more than just military command about the missing aircraft.
Yes it was for him … he wanted an ambulance
It was both. But he sounded more urgent about knowing where the crash was and getting EMS rolling to that spot.
I have to disagree with most here, on the phone call his adrenaline is pretty spiked. He called 911 with a serious concern for civilian safety since he had no idea where the plane even went afterwards. I have to assume he blacked out on ejection at least long enough to not know where he was. Anyways my assumption is local authorities would be the better bet to call to make sure the jet didn't hurt anyone and would explain the out reach sort of for the public to help. Anyways it reads to much like top gun II, so I'm conspiratorial about that for sure.
In addition to the potential spinal injuries, there was also a jet full of flammable stuff like fuel and possibly explosives that should be reported ASAP. Besides as others pointed out, the homeowner made the call.
on the one hand, yeah that's pretty dumb. But on the otherhand (assuming the call is real) yeah calling 911 and saying "there's a plane that probably crashed near by where I am" isn't the worst idea in the world
This is the most likely conclusion.
"Oh shit, I dropped thousands of pounds of jet fuel somewhere. I should probably let local authorities know."
Sorry we are going with the crazy version.
It wasn't a female pilot so I'm applying some measure of rationality lol
That would have been failure to parallel park...
Looked completely reasonable to me, as opposed to calling up Uncle Sam on his personal cell phone or whatever people think he would do. The military would probably just contact local EMS to find out where to look anyway.
True.
Would the pilot even have his phone with him in the plane? I mean why would you take that up with you at all since you know you're not going to be able to use it while you're flying? I'd imagine it would make more sense if he left his phone in his locker.
If Goose can take his Polaroid, I’m sure this guy can take his iPhone
Thank you
He probably called command, but the homeowner probably called 911 on their own. Then he is stuck in this, uhhhh what do I do scenario. This is weird.
That's feasable
Maybe the comms electronics went out? Or perhaps it's one of Biden's snowflake trigglypuffs trying to figure out his gender.
Well, saying the ChiComs and Russkies hijacked the plane and landed it in Cuba is not a great look, you know.
I heard a story that a Cuban MiG pilot defected to South Florida during the Gerald Ford administration and the Cubans demanded the aircraft back.
So they took it apart and sent it back to them in pieces in crates. If that is true, it is the only based thing that Ford ever did.
Noice,
I love how the official story isn't really any kind of coverup, nothing really bad happened, and it just sounds more embarrassing for the Marines than anything, but you guys are now just choosing to believe ridiculous theories about militias shooting down fighter jets because...
... I don't know. I literally don't know why you guys are electing to believe some of the dumbest, gayest shit I've ever heard, and I dunno what you even expect to get out of it.
I mean at least with most gay conspiracy theories people at least have trashy 'eyewitness accounts' or fabricated 'evidence'. You guys have a fucking 4chan greentext from a guy who clearly does not know anything about the F-35.
Did you ever think... even for one second... that maybe you're wrong? Or would that require admitting that you're gullible and stupid?
I’m with you. This site has a tendency towards complete delusion.
An aircraft failure which caused the airplane to keep flying.
Pilot ejected over a residential area with people, homes, schools, puppies etc. nearby. He ejected at 2000', then the pilotless plane continues on for over 50 miles before crashing.
Seems to me the plane behaved heroically here and potentially saved many lives by getting itself out of that neighborhood and only crashing once it reached a rural area with less people, homes, schools, puppies etc.
It could happen. Those planes are all fly by wire. He could have lost any control over the plane, and perhaps his instruments went dead. The area was heavily cloudy and rainy at the time. He might have had no visibility and no instruments, and decided that ejecting was preferably to potentially flying into the ground.
Just spitballing... I have no idea what happened with his plane.
Ejecting over a populated area is a fucking beta move.
Isn't it better to land in a populated area where you can more immediately contact authorities vs landing in the middle of nowhere? It sounds like the plane kept going without him, and if he had no control it's not like he can just pilot it somewhere safe and then eject, right?
Ejecting out of any aircraft is alpha as fuck so I don’t know what you’re talking about. You try strapping rockets to your ass hole and flying out of a jet at 500 mph.
Allowing your plane to crash into people. Yeah, no. Unless we fins that the plane was hacked and the controls weren't responding, it's a bitch move.
Pilot had fucking 2000 feet above ground to figure it out, sounds like his glideslope was fucking 10,000,000:1
Matthew Broderick and Ally Sheedy hacked into the jet's avionics.
How about a nice game of chess?
As well, the F-35B has an auto eject feature that needs no pilot input.
Not saying that is what happened, but this plane has had quite a few crash incidents around the world since it has entered service.
Basically yes.
This is the only plane in the entire fleet to have a new oxygen generation system for air for the pilot. This is also the third or fourth time that system has failed. When that system fails, the pilot literally is getting choked to death in a tiny box that has all the same air from the same source. This has grounded all of the plane several times while they tried to figure out wtf happened, but clearly haven't fixed it yet.
So, pilot can't breath, ejects, but plane is 100% ok in every other aspect so it'll keep flying.
That's fair. It's hard to safely guide a plane into an unpopulated area if it's asphyxiating you.
Which is likely what the standdown was about. There's a few reasons why it could happen, the most notorious case was an F-105 that was stuck in a flat spin, pilot ejected, and the ejection + canopy loss was enough to actually correct the spin and the F-105 just flew the fuck off on its own.
However, 99.999% of the time it shouldn't happen, which suggests he ejected for a dumb reason, which suggests that's what the stand-down and 'training' was about. "Guys unless the aircraft is literally about to explode or hit something, don't eject."
if your general wore makeup and had a dick you would call 911 too.
4chan says it was “shot down by small arms fire” WTF knows
That's not impossible but the setup for that precise shot would cost millions. Like the gun used in gta5 to take the plane down comes to mind.
No way someone just pointed up towards the sky and has aimbot
Matthew Quigley disagrees
The 4chan post was almost certainly a LARP, but they alleged that the aircraft was practicing a hovering manuever over a forest, and was shot with a 50 cal by a member of a militia that's been active in the area.
While it's unlikely that happened, it certainly wouldn't require an elaborate set up or even particularly impressive skills.
It also probably wouldn't bring down the plane, either. They're more robust than you think. 90% of anywhere you'd hit the plane with a dinky little FMJ .50 BMG would probably definitely NOT bring it down.
Even if you sank one into the engine (which they didn't, because it kept flying) the engine doesn't just EXPLODE, it'll struggle along and begin to disintegrate. They're designed to attempt to survive after ingesting a bird.
And yes, that 4chan post was dumber than hammered shit, anyone who believed that even for a nanosecond needs their head examined.
It was totally 360 noscope!
If it was intentional. I've heard tales of guns shot in the air coming down and actually hitting people. Supposedly it's pretty rare as if effective just comes down in a random spot, but it is possible.
Not saying it was small arms fire, just that if somebody did shoot it, it's possible it wasn't intentional and it was just unlucky.
Seems like a stretch either way, but weird stuff does happen.
Tell that to the vietnamese who did just that on many occasions.
Dudes in fields with old shitty rifles shooting down jets Golden BB style.
Maybe, but there would have been wall to wall military in the area in a heart beat.
And all Marine planes were grounded, and then it was announced that all military planes were to be grounded in a few days. Could be because they ALL use the same software. BUT why tell everyone?
The software they use is also used by Airbus. And I read that the software was stolen from Airbus so...if you want to hack a plane, or a LOT of planes, should be easy.
But I am far more convinced that the plane was sold off to some nation, the pilot was ejected, they didn't eject themselves, the plane flown to a location where it was transferred to the new owners.
No idea who they might be. China? A cartel?? Israel?
Unless they need it to study for reverse engineering, a single plane isn't going to do someone like a cartel any good. Maintenance & parts, etc.
Would look pretty fucking baller in your driveway though
My thought was it would be sold to a third party
Just an F-35? They cost a fortune, they are garbage yes, but they do cost a fortune
We don't export the F-22 because the production line shut down two fucking decades ago.
We also still don't export the F-117 so I guess it's better than the F-35 too, right? And the A-10 must just be the pinnacle of air technology.
It has nothing to do with the software, lol.
The whole 'hack' thing is a collision of people who don't know shit about computer science and people who don't know shit about aircraft.
OK, so it wasn't the software, it wasn't the plane, what's left?
Pilot error, software, and the plane?
They don't do 'training stand-downs' after run of the mill crashes. So here's what probably happened: F-35 was in a strange scenario that put the pilot at a disadvantage (bad weather). F-35 experienced some kind of fault that was caused by an external condition (think: blocked pitot probe or something), and the software responds in an unpredictable way, and the problem that might be recoverable, but the pilot wasn't paying attention or made a bad judgement call, and ejected.
Like, that's it.
That's literally it.
Like fucking 80% of airliner crashes ended up being caused by pilots making bad judgement calls because of situations exactly like what I described.
Instead this forum of complete clowns are thirsty as fuck to believe that some Chinamen hacked it, because you can just 'hack' planes mid-flight... or even better, Cletus and Bubba went out and shot it down with their 10/22s.
Ok, reasonable.
In my case I doubt China had anything to do with it. I am inclined to think they sold it off :)
the training stand down is because the marines have had 3 crashes in 3 weeks, 2 deadly and 1 an international embarrassment. the pilot cited "aircraft failure". in his words to his CO in the background, "i don't know what happened, something failed". that is just hilarious in these conditions, at this stage of development, for this cost. this is all testament to the decline of the american military.
but you're right about morons and their conspiracies about cletus and china. to be fair, the conspiracy emerged because of the incompetence in locating the crash
I mean what exactly would you expect? Depending on the nature of the emergency, everything would happen too fast for him to sit there checking fault pages to diagnose it.
Also the F-35 is literally the safest tactical aircraft the military has ever fielded, again, I don't know what you expect. The F-16 practically killed more pilots and had more airframe losses in the first three years than the F-35 has had since it started flying.
Um, I’d expect the albatross to not fail catastrophically and incomprehensibly a few miles from base? Too much to ask?
Spare us those invalid comparisons. The F16 actually advanced the state of the art with crucial innovations like fly by wire. And its ramp up to production was shorter, so its 3 years correspond to ~8 for the F35. And its development and production costs were massively lower, adjusting for inflation.
But what I “expect” doesn’t matter. What the F35 represents is the terminal dissociation of the defense industry’s costs from reality, as part of the total decline of the United States and its military. It will be amusing to see the F35 blown out of the sky by countries with vastly more efficient (i.e. normal) militaries.
😂 you think it had the fuel to fly itself to another country?
Its a software bug
Not to another country, to a predesignated landing spot.
Right. Small arms fire. Let the confiscation begin!
Since when has 4chan green text ever been a reliable source of anything?
Best of greentext threads are reliable for hearty chuckles. Mr. Bones Wild Ride comes to mind.
I managed a $30M/year (profit) account at one of the largest logistics companies in the world
I shipped between 300-400 packages of precious metals every single night (gold, silver, platinum, copper--if it was a metal, I shipped it)
I could singlehandedly track EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE across six different continents and the location of the aircraft too. I could see where a package was scanned, what scanner was used, who the user was, what package car the package was loaded on, who the driver was, average speed of the vehicle, yadda yadda
You're telling me a fucking F35 drops out of the sky and the military is just like "oopsie"?
Normally I'd be surprised, but honestly, I'm not
When the fuck up is so severe, sometimes the only resolution is to play dumb. That's what's going on here, there's something else with this story
First time in clown world? Enjoy the ride.
Yeah, honestly you sound way more competent than the average diversity hire.
Don't forget that diversity hiring isn't supposed to make the job done better, but to promote equity. And if you look at the goal of communist subversion, which this equity nonsense is, it's make things breakdown.
So yeah, it's not really a surprise that a woke and diverse military that expelled most its capable people is going to just fuck up constantly.
Are you fucking retarded? You're comparing UPS packages to a fighter jet?
Why are you so indignant when you clearly don't know anything at all about military technology, you babbling fag? Maybe you should, I don't know, fucking think before you try to flex about how much smarter you are?
Let's think this through, you colossally stupid paper-shuffling clown. Put on your thinking cap and your try-hard pants and let's follow this.
You have a piece of military technology that any adversary would want to get their hands on. It's stealthy, to boot.
You design this thing to be used in war, and by virtue of stealth, it's likely to be BEHIND enemy lines when in operation.
If your fancy fighter - and the pilot it contains, who also would be a prize for adversaries - gets shot down, why the FUCK would you have a goddamn beacon in it that shouts to everybody 'HERE I AM, COME FIND ME GUYS, FREE F-35 WRECKAGE RIGHT HERE! COME GET IT!', ESPECIALLY since that fucking system would presumably HAVE TO SURVIVE A PLANE CRASH.
Yes, pilots have beacons, but pilots also are expected to determine when it's safe to use it and when it isn't, because any kind of Electronic Warfare aircraft is designed to specifically sniff for certain things, and you goddamn bet if they think they tagged an F-35, they'll be looking for that stupid fucking beacon.
That makes fucking sense in your fucking head? And when exactly would this beacon be useful? For this singular crash?
This is why you're in the mail room, and not designing aircraft. Maybe you could go on tour with Pierre Sprey with your brilliant insights about a plane you've never seen with your own eyes in your entire life.
I thought this call was from someone who had the injured pilot at his home not from the pilot himself
It was. The homeowner called to report a pilot landed in his backyard and to send an ambulance. The pilot starts to talk while the homeowner was in the call. It doesn’t say that HE (the pilot) placed the call.
This entire F-35 incident is a huge nothingburger but I've never seen a group of people so desperate to humiliate themselves making up the stupidest, gayest shit about it.
"the stupidest, gayest shit" - dude, you're username is Basedmillipede LMAO
Yes but pilot is concious talking in the background
Well he was probably in panic mode. He just ejected out of a $100 million piece of equipment and is just calling 911 to give them a heads up of a plane crash, also to get a little help. Ejecting out of a fighter jet is no walk in the park, the spine compression and g force from being in a relatively calm cockpit to being thrust upwards on a rocket chair into 500+ mph winds. I would bet it’s a soul crushing, mind rattling, physically painful and traumatic experience and it’s understandable he thought to call 911 and it sounds like it was more the home owner who called. If I was chilling at home and a guy dressed like a fighter pilot landed in my back yard in a seat with a parachute, I would probably be calling 911 as well. Furthermore, his HQ should have known he bailed from communication between pilot and ATC, the only thing I find weird about this whole situation is why wasn’t the transponder helpful in locating the plane.
The first thing I would do, would be to ask the pilot Xir’s pronouns. Then, based on the response, determine my next move….
At this point, if the pilot answered with gender appropriate pronouns, you can safely shoot him since it's definitely an alien.
toughen up, snowflake
It’s not a terrible solution really. It’s the official connection point for emergency response, so the pilot could definitely get help through that.
Sometimes this website gives me hope that not all of our citizens are complete dipshits.
Then I read the comments on some of these threads...
lol
PDW has it's own species of NPCs.
If this guy didnt already have a callsign, hes gonna have one now lmao
Maybe Maverick - ooooof
Meh I’d probably want Emergency services to be aware of a plane crash and that the sole occupant wasn’t still in the wreckage..
"We need to get rescue rolling, I'm not sure where the airplane is. It would have crash-landed. I ejected." - Looking out for possible collateral damage/casualties.
I can picture a powerpoint structure on “chain-of-command.” It starts of calm then devolves into screaming after everyone fails to show where 911 Operator is in the chain-of-command. Followed by a smoke session.
It was a little Chinese boy with a remote and orders from his Xi to take an F-35 down for his country.
Russians testing their signal jammers under real conditions.
Ominously plausible.
Except not at all. Do you think the flight controls are linked together by bluetooth?
Didnt that happen in top gun 2?
she's like wtf are you talking about? She was legit confused. Literally EVERY video I've ever seen on Youtube of an ejection is like 3-5 seconds before the plane goes down in ball of flames. Literally the pilot is pressing all the buttons until they have no other choice. How can he eject and the plane keep flying for like hours?
Very easily, actually. The loss of the canopy and pilot on top of the ejection event/sequence itself changed the aerodynamics of the aircraft allowing for the flight to continue.
There has been many well documented cases of aircraft continuing to fly for quite some time after pilot ejection even from damaged aircraft.
Because the engine still generates thrust and the wings were still attached?
i get that but then why would the pilot eject if the plane was still able to at least fly strait
Why is a 47 year old flying an F-35?
What's wrong with a 47 year old as a pilot?
Actually seems like the perfect age when you think about it
Right? At that age, in that program, he's probably at or near the top of the list for flight hours.
Maverick is over 47. Don't go sayin' he's a fictional character: that doesn't matter.
There are amazingly few F35 pilots and you would be surprised of the age and skills required to qualify to pilot these. I am not military, and not pretending to know all of the "ins and outs" but I am friends with a guy that was in charge of selecting and training all of the f35 pilots when it first came avaliable. Something something without the computers, the plane shouldn't be able to fly, and the technical skill and inputs to the controls are very sophisticated and unlike any other fighter.
I will digress one more time by adding I am not military and this is what I was told by an f35 pilot.
Well I mean it's 2023 so the standards are now.
" can you handle a dildo or ten in your ass? Qualified!"
-What are you Pronouns? -xir/xim/lady boy
Congratulations!! You passed top of your f35 training class!
For the same reason you don't put your average 18 year old behind the wheel of a Ferrari.
Most fighter pilots are of high rank and are above the age of 30.
Because they are more experienced than a 46 year old?
and a bit more experienced than a 45-year-old.
and just a bit plus a tad more experienced than a 44-year-old.
Because he's probably a LTC and has many thousands of flight hours and is an expert pilot with a proven track record? I dunno what caused him to eject but I imagine that whatever it was must have been catastrophic because pilots with that sort of experience don't just casually bail out.
The phone call is weird because he didn’t identify himself properly; name, rank, affiliation whom else should be contacted, et al. I stead he gave the Mike Tyson “my back is broken.”, speech version.
Lmfao he’s talking to 911, not an interrogator.
And the 911 operator was a complete imbecile. He was clearly dumbing things down for her.
He is a professional and should be able to rattle off facts to better help his “situation.” This is basic information shit.
What the hell would you know?
I know enough that you should never call 911 and relay any information for your or someone else's behalf, handshake faggot.
lmao what the fuck does that even mean? Is that English or did you just type something that stupid unironically?
Tell us more about these 911 "procedures" you're such an expert on.
Oh, boy we got a retarded one here. I can’t believe I have to explain shit like this to a pedantic dickhead without obvious reading or comprehension skills. Also you are “new” here denoted by the handshake next to your user name.
If you are the pilot of not only a multi-million dollar aircraft but is also a highly sensitive piece of government equipment that you recently have become separated from, it might be prudent to have details to have passed on, since you are probably no longer in comms with the people who need to know where you are and what happened with the plane. Blue’s Clues enough for you so far?
To arrange help with your new found predicament you are going to need to provide basic information for an emergency response. Like your name, who you are affiliated with, what happened, who else to notify, if you need assistance and to what degree and any other information that may be helpful for well being and deconfliction for any further information that may be coming in from third-parties or what information you would like third-parties to know as soon as possible.
Would have been more helpful if his wingman kept visual of the airframe instead of RTB. Could have been a lot more helpful in the recovery efforts, but that is a different story.
But let me flip it on you, what information would you put out to a 911 dispatcher after losing your airframe? Or are you just an argumentative faggot just to be one?
He's not reporting a fucking 9-line you dipshit, he's saying an aircraft probably crashed somewhere nearby but he doesn't quite know where.
You're literally angry that someone didn't follow made-up instructions that only you have in your imagination. "WELL I COULD HAVE DONE IT BETTER", he wrote, from his shit-reeking trailer, as he pretends to be some kind of expert on military procedures and fighter aircraft.
Not if you're a quota hire
100% this pilot was vaxxed and having an incident. The vaxx most military didn’t want and biden forced.
So he decided to violently eject himself from the aircraft in a storm instead of calmly flying back to base and landing where there is immediate access to medical services???
I'm pretty sure that 911 is a good to call in such a situation because they are good for mobilizing local first responders. Marines won't be able to do nearly as much to immediately help the area where a plane went down.
And the Marines would probably literally just call 911, lol.
He literally said “hijacked it”. Am I hearing this right????
You misheard "I ejected."
Hear whatever you want, the whole 'hack the plane' thing is something so fucking dumb even Bruce Willis would've balked at being in a movie with that script.
The F35 does have capability to be remotely piloted, so it not impossible to wonder if it was hacked and taken over. Probably still even has Chinese components in it….
To be fair, no.
First priority is a response to it, a civilian one, because it went down in civilian areas. 911 is easier to remember to call than some random number you have for command that you probably don't remember at all and only have written down in a notebook.
Asking if they have heard of a plane crash is a good indicator that command also has knowledge of it and is looking for you.
He is asking for rescue to get rolling because he is probably worried that it crashed somewhere that a civilian got hurt. He's fine, someone else may not be, gotta call 911.
This is probably also an SOP........this is probably the first step in the protocol they have for a crash in civilian areas.
Diversity hire?
AHAHAHA THE US IS SOOOO FUCKED
"what caused the fall" 😂
Biden
What a surreal moment that must have been
We better hope no one calls our bluff with the capabilities of anything more than a Toyota truck, leather sandals, and training in goat herding.
Lol, this is clown world, so fake and gay
The guy who calls in has a heavy Spanish accent.
not unreasonable actually, smart thinking to get first responders to check if anyone was harmed by the crash...this didn't happen in the middle of nowhere
I’m not sure if he would have known which number to call, seeing how he could have ended up in an endless phone tree. I doubt they have the phone number to call listed on the seat. Calling 911 is the easiest, they can route if needed
They don't want to admit it, but he ejected when he realized someone else was flying the plane and he was locked out of controls. plane was delivered to buyer.
2k feet and the plane kept flying for how many miles again but being that low no one seemed to see anything? This story gets more retarded everyday. I'm in the flight path of Ft Bragg (FU it ain't liberty) and usually come overhead around 1700-2500 ft depending on the aircraft. Even after all these years of being accustomed to flights you know when stuff is overhead.
He accidentally ejected because he was too busy on Grindr in the cockpit.
Typical 2023 affirmative action story