It actually is racial. Different muscle compositions (long twitch vs short twitch), brown fat vs white fat vs beige fat, as well as different amounts of subcutaneous vs visceral fat at different weights
Asians with a 24 BMI can have more visceral fat than a Norse person with a 26 BMI because Northern Europeans naturally are better at putting on subcutaneous fat while some asians are the most prone to visceral fat.
I dont store fat in a beer gut, I dont store it around my organs, I know I store it in my arms and legs primarily, and it is primarily brown fat too.
Races from tropical climates on the other hand do not have brown fat, their fat is white fat - you can shred brown fat easily compared to white fat.
But what this boils down to is that German/Norse/Intuit/Sami/Eskimo/Turanid/Altaic people can have relatively high BMIs and be healthy, most African races need to keep a very low fat content but can have a elevated BMI for a given muscle mass due to more type 2 muscle fiber, and that Asians, Persians, North Africans, Arabs, Native Americans, and Indians need to keep very low BMIs.
That being said all races in the USA are too fat on average and it needs to get down. I am sitting at a 21.25 BMI and that is about ideal for me. An Asian person in my shoes should probably be sitting at around 20. Increased by 2 or 3 for someone who is younger.
Really, BMI is a terrible way to measure fitness. For black or whites it really doesn't accurately measure fitness. You can be well out of your "ideal" BMI and still be very fit. In some cases you can be in the ideal BMI and still be very unhealthy depending on your height.
Average soldier in WWII was 5 feet, 8 inches tall and 144 pounds. You know, the people we use as a baseline for what normal testosterone is, and where the average modern man has the testosterone of these people at 75 while they are 25?
That is a 21.9 BMI and I am sitting at 21.25. Testosterone levels and general health is best at a 21.0-23.0 BMI for White people
That being said I am also 80 and have lost some weight in the past 5 years for general health. But I can still deadlift 250 without issue even at 80 so no, I am not a stick figure.
That on the right is 6'3" 170 pounds. Not an ideal powerlifting build, but for general health, it is spot on for someone at my age. Add on 10 pounds of muscle and 5 pounds of brown fat for someone younger and you get a stronger build, but again not the best for heart and kidney health at my age.
Women care about what you look with your shirt off. And they dont like football linemen, professional weight lifters, or mr Olympia, they want someone who is like 22 BMI and low body fat, with good working muscles.
I’m 6’3” and 198. I can see my top abs. 170 would be far too small for me. That said, I’m also a very broad guy. People have different natural amounts of muscle. If 170 works for ya, God bless!
I work in a surgery center and we use BMI cutoffs. It's for airway/breathing safety in a non-hospital setting. At some point (weight) it becomes a large enough risk to not do this elective procedure in this setting. However, we know BMI is inaccurate.... from an anesthesia/airway standpoint, you can be fat and have a large BMI, but be safer than someone else with the same exact BMI. The safer BMI does not carry all the weight in the neck/abdominal region, but maybe in thighs/ass/arms. But our BMI cutoff number is so high that these people are generally unsafe regardless of where the weight is - cause it's everywhere at that level.
BMI Before reading the MSM coverage declaring BMI racist, knowing that BMI is a standard measurement, like the CPI. It gives historical data. It is used for medical purposes.Individuals are considered medically obese when they reach a BMI of 27 or around there. Check the first 8 hyperlinks there's no link to the study or source article.
Never seen a scale that does this.
If your calculator does not have a square function, divide weight by height twice, as shown in the calculation above, multiply by 703, and round to one decimal place
that's a great science-based reason for getting rid of it.
too bad that's not why they are doing it, but there's always the useful idiots that follow their lead and mislead others just because the pied piper plays a tune you've heard before -- but this isn't the same song.
I don't know about racist, but BMI is definitively a shitty measure. When I was was younger, I was was in olympic weightlifting and 5'8" and 69kg I was considered obese by BMI but even a doctor had to acknowledge that because I had a high muscle mass that the BMI didn't really apply.
Hell, I was squatting twice my weight and in competition was doing clean and jerks around 100kg... from that point on I knew that BMI was a terrible metric for anyone outside of the "average" range.
I dont buy it. Or, at least, I have no use for such complexity. You know why? Because anyone who starves will shrink down to their skeleton. People metabolize fat differently, but it is not so much that a little attention to diet and mobility cant equalize the differences. Nobody is going to eat a diet of cabbage soup and turn into a sumo wrestler size because of their genes. Even if theyre stuffing themselves with it, they'll simply burn the calories too fast to get fat.
It really a matter of what healthy BMI ranges are for people of different races. A BMI of 40 is unhealthy for anyone.
I read that the "healthy" range based on data from Americans was originally a couple points higher for both the low and high end, but they rounded it down to standardize it with the rest of the world. It's also my understanding that the healthy range for black people should be a point or two higher than for whites.
I think it is appropriate to say we need to fix how we're using BMI in the medical system, and that we should have race based guidelines.
It's not about saying "I can't help being fat because of my genes", it's about identifying approximately what an optimally healthy weight would be, so we don't tell people they should lose weight or gain weight when they actually shouldn't.
That's fine. To me, I think it's strange that people need so much external info to be healthy, though. I know there's some science to be had here, but, largely, the diet and exercise industry just preys primarily on lazy people. Everyone should start figuring out what's good or bad for them by the time theyre, say, 20. If you have a hard time putting on your socks, maybe you have to lose a few pounds, and maybe it means eating lighter or moving about more. It's pretty simple, you just have to try. People act like theyre slaves to their hunger.
They are, with excessive visceral fat, and are prone to die early from a heart attack from it. Just because they have a shitload of muscle too doesn't make that healthy.
I've always felt this. I have a naturally broad build and what feels like a normal weight to me is considered over. I look like a lightweight cutting to bantamweight when I do hit it. It feels unhealthy as hell.
BMI is often bullshit but it has nothing to do with racism. A man with a shitload of lean muscle mass and very low body fat could be considered obese according to the BMI standard.
It's an imperfect metric but the reason they want to remove it is disturbing. It is a reasonable rule of thumb for most of the population--all races. When you read comments about BMI every exception in existence is held up as the rule. And for everyone here saying they have a BMI of 30 and they aren't fat, I'm skeptical. You might be the strongest fat guy at the gym but you're probably still fat. I like the height-waist ratio as a secondary test when BMI is high. Finally if you think you're Sylvester Stallone a DEXA scan can prove it.
Even after all that lockdown bullshit, I'm still just 6 lbs. over my ideal BMI. I have hit my magic number before, and my friends told me I looked like I was dying of cancer.
BMI works WAY better than people are giving credit for on this thread.
The "Obese" and "Overweight" categories are not always accurate. But what BMI is doing is just looking at the correlation between weight and death. And it works pretty damn well for that..
Even if you are some PED abusing bodybuilder or football player - and are like at 5% body fat while 6' and 245 pounds - you are still going to die earlier. Which is the main point of the BMI.
If you are outside the healthy range statistically you die earlier. It's an insurance thing. Think of motorcycles. Not every rider who rides 10k miles a year is going to die prematurely. But your risk of death each year is much higher.
This interestingly enough is how death works. Every decade that goes by your chance of death is doubled. So for BMI if you are out of the good range - you chance of death is increased.
It's more of an insurance thing then a health thing. But it is a pretty good rule of thumb.
Once you get old enough to start paying attention to the people dying that you know - you will see what I am talking about. "Big" people don't live long. Skinny fucks like Biden tend to live a long time - sadly.
Some better metrics for then BMI are grip strength and VO2 max. If we checked everyone for both of those we could do better then BMI. But BMI is a decent starting point.
If you just use a tape measure it's retarded. There are far better ways to measure it, but it is isn't THAT different based on race, as much as some people are fat fucks and store fat weirdly or are built in fucked up ways
BMI . Before reading the MSM coverage declaring BMI racist, knowing that BMI is a standard measurement, like the CPI. It gives historical data. It is used for medical purposes.Individuals are considered medically obese when they reach a BMI of 27 or around there. Check the first 8 hyperlinks there's no link to the study or source article.
Never seen a scale that does this.
If your calculator does not have a square function, divide weight by height twice, as shown in the calculation above, multiply by 703, and round to one decimal place
–Geralt_of_Rivia1 9 hours ago +59 / -0
It actually is racial. Different muscle compositions (long twitch vs short twitch),
But what this boils down to is that German/Norse/Intuit/Sami/Eskimo/Turanid/Altaic people can have relatively high BMIs and be healthy
It actually is racial. Different muscle compositions (long twitch vs short twitch), brown fat vs white fat vs beige fat, as well as different amounts of subcutaneous vs visceral fat at different weights
Asians with a 24 BMI can have more visceral fat than a Norse person with a 26 BMI because Northern Europeans naturally are better at putting on subcutaneous fat while some asians are the most prone to visceral fat.
I dont store fat in a beer gut, I dont store it around my organs, I know I store it in my arms and legs primarily, and it is primarily brown fat too.
Races from tropical climates on the other hand do not have brown fat, their fat is white fat - you can shred brown fat easily compared to white fat.
But what this boils down to is that German/Norse/Intuit/Sami/Eskimo/Turanid/Altaic people can have relatively high BMIs and be healthy, most African races need to keep a very low fat content but can have a elevated BMI for a given muscle mass due to more type 2 muscle fiber, and that Asians, Persians, North Africans, Arabs, Native Americans, and Indians need to keep very low BMIs.
That being said all races in the USA are too fat on average and it needs to get down. I am sitting at a 21.25 BMI and that is about ideal for me. An Asian person in my shoes should probably be sitting at around 20. Increased by 2 or 3 for someone who is younger.
Really, BMI is a terrible way to measure fitness. For black or whites it really doesn't accurately measure fitness. You can be well out of your "ideal" BMI and still be very fit. In some cases you can be in the ideal BMI and still be very unhealthy depending on your height.
Yep. According to the BMI, Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime was obese
I am 6'3" 170, it really is ideal for me.
You sound like some kind of towering stick figure.
Average soldier in WWII was 5 feet, 8 inches tall and 144 pounds. You know, the people we use as a baseline for what normal testosterone is, and where the average modern man has the testosterone of these people at 75 while they are 25?
That is a 21.9 BMI and I am sitting at 21.25. Testosterone levels and general health is best at a 21.0-23.0 BMI for White people
That being said I am also 80 and have lost some weight in the past 5 years for general health. But I can still deadlift 250 without issue even at 80 so no, I am not a stick figure.
https://myprogresspics.com/storage/images/amqkmhqtkjy71_optimized_1x.jpg
That on the right is 6'3" 170 pounds. Not an ideal powerlifting build, but for general health, it is spot on for someone at my age. Add on 10 pounds of muscle and 5 pounds of brown fat for someone younger and you get a stronger build, but again not the best for heart and kidney health at my age.
Respect. I’m 6’4” at 170 lbs and sub 10% bf. I look good with my shirt off, but I put on a tshirt and it’s DYEL mode.
Standards for comparison of what the ideal man is, in terms of height/weight ratio are ridiculous.
Bruce Lee was 5’7” 140lbs, btw.
Women care about what you look with your shirt off. And they dont like football linemen, professional weight lifters, or mr Olympia, they want someone who is like 22 BMI and low body fat, with good working muscles.
I'm 6' and 198. Says I'm overweight but I run a sub 6 minute mile and can do 25 pull ups. Doesn't account for muscle mass.
I’m 6’3” and 198. I can see my top abs. 170 would be far too small for me. That said, I’m also a very broad guy. People have different natural amounts of muscle. If 170 works for ya, God bless!
I work in a surgery center and we use BMI cutoffs. It's for airway/breathing safety in a non-hospital setting. At some point (weight) it becomes a large enough risk to not do this elective procedure in this setting. However, we know BMI is inaccurate.... from an anesthesia/airway standpoint, you can be fat and have a large BMI, but be safer than someone else with the same exact BMI. The safer BMI does not carry all the weight in the neck/abdominal region, but maybe in thighs/ass/arms. But our BMI cutoff number is so high that these people are generally unsafe regardless of where the weight is - cause it's everywhere at that level.
BMI Before reading the MSM coverage declaring BMI racist, knowing that BMI is a standard measurement, like the CPI. It gives historical data. It is used for medical purposes.Individuals are considered medically obese when they reach a BMI of 27 or around there. Check the first 8 hyperlinks there's no link to the study or source article.
Never seen a scale that does this.
that's a great science-based reason for getting rid of it.
too bad that's not why they are doing it, but there's always the useful idiots that follow their lead and mislead others just because the pied piper plays a tune you've heard before -- but this isn't the same song.
The really old, racist and non-medical origins of the BMI By Maani Truu
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-02/the-problem-with-the-body-mass-index-bmi/100728416
I don't know about racist, but BMI is definitively a shitty measure. When I was was younger, I was was in olympic weightlifting and 5'8" and 69kg I was considered obese by BMI but even a doctor had to acknowledge that because I had a high muscle mass that the BMI didn't really apply.
Hell, I was squatting twice my weight and in competition was doing clean and jerks around 100kg... from that point on I knew that BMI was a terrible metric for anyone outside of the "average" range.
I dont buy it. Or, at least, I have no use for such complexity. You know why? Because anyone who starves will shrink down to their skeleton. People metabolize fat differently, but it is not so much that a little attention to diet and mobility cant equalize the differences. Nobody is going to eat a diet of cabbage soup and turn into a sumo wrestler size because of their genes. Even if theyre stuffing themselves with it, they'll simply burn the calories too fast to get fat.
It really a matter of what healthy BMI ranges are for people of different races. A BMI of 40 is unhealthy for anyone.
I read that the "healthy" range based on data from Americans was originally a couple points higher for both the low and high end, but they rounded it down to standardize it with the rest of the world. It's also my understanding that the healthy range for black people should be a point or two higher than for whites.
I think it is appropriate to say we need to fix how we're using BMI in the medical system, and that we should have race based guidelines.
It's not about saying "I can't help being fat because of my genes", it's about identifying approximately what an optimally healthy weight would be, so we don't tell people they should lose weight or gain weight when they actually shouldn't.
That's fine. To me, I think it's strange that people need so much external info to be healthy, though. I know there's some science to be had here, but, largely, the diet and exercise industry just preys primarily on lazy people. Everyone should start figuring out what's good or bad for them by the time theyre, say, 20. If you have a hard time putting on your socks, maybe you have to lose a few pounds, and maybe it means eating lighter or moving about more. It's pretty simple, you just have to try. People act like theyre slaves to their hunger.
Lol
Fatties
Seriously. What're they going say next: Death is racist?
Years of lying to herself - Dead at 42-
https://x.com/mrandyngo/status/1508786435389902852
BMI is a shitty assessment anyway.
I've been called obese simply because of my muscle mass because of that bullshit.
Lean af, but have big calves due to running and cycling.
BMI says I'm fat.
It and its graduate student purveyors can go fuck themselves
BMI would say 3/4 of football players are overweight or obese.
They are, with excessive visceral fat, and are prone to die early from a heart attack from it. Just because they have a shitload of muscle too doesn't make that healthy.
Muscle weighs more than fat
And higher body fat makes your muscles more effective too, so they have a decent chunk of body fat
I don't think you understand how these things work.... I'm around 15% body fat give or take...
Technically it's more dense, more mass per unit volume.
I've always felt this. I have a naturally broad build and what feels like a normal weight to me is considered over. I look like a lightweight cutting to bantamweight when I do hit it. It feels unhealthy as hell.
At 6’4” and a very fit 250lbs, I’m considered obese.
#BlackFragility
Fat folks come in all shapes and colors.
If your BMI is too high, so is your EBT allowance.
If your BMI is higher than your IQ, you just might... probably not be a redneck.
The proper answer to any libtard screaming whatever-ist of the moment is to say "Thank you for noticing!"
Body fat percentage is a better indicator than BMI, but I'm sure that'll be labeled "racist" eventually as well.
BMI is often bullshit but it has nothing to do with racism. A man with a shitload of lean muscle mass and very low body fat could be considered obese according to the BMI standard.
It's an imperfect metric but the reason they want to remove it is disturbing. It is a reasonable rule of thumb for most of the population--all races. When you read comments about BMI every exception in existence is held up as the rule. And for everyone here saying they have a BMI of 30 and they aren't fat, I'm skeptical. You might be the strongest fat guy at the gym but you're probably still fat. I like the height-waist ratio as a secondary test when BMI is high. Finally if you think you're Sylvester Stallone a DEXA scan can prove it.
Even after all that lockdown bullshit, I'm still just 6 lbs. over my ideal BMI. I have hit my magic number before, and my friends told me I looked like I was dying of cancer.
I'm pretty sure I saw articles saying BMI was racist like 10 years ago.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2855131/
Here you go, a government funded study saying this from 2010, 13 years ago.
'Cause a measuring tape has numbers on it, and math is racist.
The numbers are radically different based on race.
Isn't this old news?
I swear like a year ago they were talking about this and how doctors should abandon the measurement
New Medical Terminology:
Thick
Chonker
Bloat Hog
Land Whale
Ham planet
Shanikapotamus
LardX
Hindenberger
Maybe people should not be fat
Being fat is wrong and absolutely fucking disgusting
I think people like having health problems
The same association which pushed the 'safe and effective' bioweapon shots?
All I use is the EYE test perfected by Dr. Ball
That guy is a real racist. Not wrong though.
BMI is useful as a rough indicator, but it is not perfect by any means. However, it is simply a mathematical formula, how can it be racist?
The AMA should just do a Race BMI for each race. Eliminating BMI altogether is not going to help fight obesity.
BMI works WAY better than people are giving credit for on this thread.
The "Obese" and "Overweight" categories are not always accurate. But what BMI is doing is just looking at the correlation between weight and death. And it works pretty damn well for that..
Even if you are some PED abusing bodybuilder or football player - and are like at 5% body fat while 6' and 245 pounds - you are still going to die earlier. Which is the main point of the BMI.
If you are outside the healthy range statistically you die earlier. It's an insurance thing. Think of motorcycles. Not every rider who rides 10k miles a year is going to die prematurely. But your risk of death each year is much higher.
This interestingly enough is how death works. Every decade that goes by your chance of death is doubled. So for BMI if you are out of the good range - you chance of death is increased.
It's more of an insurance thing then a health thing. But it is a pretty good rule of thumb.
Once you get old enough to start paying attention to the people dying that you know - you will see what I am talking about. "Big" people don't live long. Skinny fucks like Biden tend to live a long time - sadly.
Some better metrics for then BMI are grip strength and VO2 max. If we checked everyone for both of those we could do better then BMI. But BMI is a decent starting point.
If you just use a tape measure it's retarded. There are far better ways to measure it, but it is isn't THAT different based on race, as much as some people are fat fucks and store fat weirdly or are built in fucked up ways
Google anything and put racist next to it and it’ll pop up some how racist.
BMI is fucking stupid. It doesn't work. By that standard I've been overweight my entire life. Even when I was <10% body fat
Any metric that exposes the extreme obesity, stupidity, violence and criminality of blacks is now racist, we get it.
We should be ENCOURAGING these people to get fatter. Lean into this particular propaganda!!!
According to "them", everything is racist, including scientific facts. It's all they've got.
"Yo Mama SO FAT that ..."
Ok. Let the fatties get fatter
Sheeeeeet
BMI . Before reading the MSM coverage declaring BMI racist, knowing that BMI is a standard measurement, like the CPI. It gives historical data. It is used for medical purposes.Individuals are considered medically obese when they reach a BMI of 27 or around there. Check the first 8 hyperlinks there's no link to the study or source article.
Never seen a scale that does this.
–Geralt_of_Rivia1 9 hours ago +59 / -0
But what this boils down to is that German/Norse/Intuit/Sami/Eskimo/Turanid/Altaic people can have relatively high BMIs and be healthy
https://patriots.win/p/17r9bDJ7iN/x/c/4TxjOHs9vmu
BMI measurement deemed ‘racist’ in new medical report: ‘This is politics, not medicine' In a new report, the American Medical Association (AMA) calls for abolishing the body mass index (BMI) as a means of assessing body fat. Dr. Marc Siegel weighed in with reaction. https://www.foxnews.com/health/bmi-measurement-deemed-racist-medical-report-politics-not-med