The people who'd dismiss him on surface details, would dismiss any argument he had that disagreed with their worldview. The whole point of indoctrination isn't just to fill their head with a bunch of nonsense in order to control them; it's to make them incurious to any information contrary to that control. That's why they're programmed with a ton of triggers that are meant to shut down rational thought and create an emotional tirade so that they never question their beliefs.
Only the people on the borderline can be possibly brought back from the brink; the rest are a totally lost cause and the best you can do is marginalize them.
Only the people on the borderline can be possibly brought back from the brink; the rest are a totally lost cause and the best you can do is marginalize them.
I agree with most of what you said, except what I quoted above. I think there are more who can be saved - many more. Even many of those who are currently fully indoctrinated. But your first paragraph describes exactly why it will be a difficult, and traumatic for them, process.
The programming can be broken, but it will take time, repetition, patience and compassion.
I don't want us to give up on even one single soul. Some will be totally lost, but I hope all discerning warriors for freedom and light will still fight for them anyway. I truly believe we'll all be shocked at how many will begin to awaken. We cannot give up on them. We just can't.
I'll concede easily that you're far more optimistic than I am, but I think that you misunderstood what I meant; possibly because of my phrasing.
Indoctrination is not a binary state: there are subtle shades along the way as one's ego is replaced with a mere puppet to something they don't truly understand. Up to a certain point, they can be brought back with varying success, and the question becomes how much effort you want to expend on an effort you'll very likely never be thanked or remunerated for; I suppose it depends on how selflessly compassionate you are, and I'll grant without question that you'd be far more willing to undertake that than me.
Still, that having been said, I think we can both agree to varying degrees of distaste that there are those who are truly lost, and for whom no amount of true reconciliation can be reached. The longer they've been indoctrinated, the more calcified the set of false beliefs, ideas, and facts is in their minds, and most importantly the more their sense of self-worth and personal prosperity is based upon the ideology, the more the person vanishes beyond the threshold that they can't be recalled from.
For example, take the person who got one of those useless activist degrees in college, who now makes their living by working for a community activism group funded by wealthy Elite interests, who acts as a sort of sheep-herder for the Black Bloc/BLM/Antifa mobs that sow domestic terror; the ones that you can see in any such event if you keep an eye out for them, the ones that typically stand in the back with a bullhorn and/or other communication devices. Depending on how exposed they act, they might already have a rap sheet for all the times they got snagged in the dragnets. Do you really see that person trying to make a radically different life for themselves? No, more than likely they'll refuse, because the alternative is probably a retail job that they'll never get because of the criminal record. Like a Made Man from the Mafia, they're in too deep to truly get out.
These people are lost causes, pure and simple, but the upside is that they're almost certainly a small percentage of the overall gestalt left as we know it. I agree that many can be brought back, because many are more than likely just going through the motions out of fear of social pressure and ostracization. When the veil is lifted and people once again feel they can speak and act freely, I truly wouldn't be surprised if >80% of what we see as the radical left vanishes overnight and says as much openly, and they become a big part of the solution of finishing off the work of returning to normalcy; some of them might take longer to recover, but they can do so organically without any intervention. The rest will probably take some work on a local level, but eventually since all of this ideology is largely a fad, social mores will fix it and people close to them can do the rest.
To pretend we can save them ALL, however, is bordering on hopelessly naive; it's a sad truth, but you can't save everyone, no matter how hard you try. The ones that remain unrepentant must be pushed to the margins so that they can't sneak back into the places of influence to begin this cycle anew; our complacency and misplaced compassion is what's allowed this to happen in the first place, and thinking that everyone can be redeemed is how we'd just be pushing this down the road for a generation. It's a hard notion, to be sure, but when you consider what's at stake, it's a necessary one.
To pretend we can save them ALL, however, is bordering on hopelessly naive; it's a sad truth, but you can't save everyone, no matter how hard you try. The ones that remain unrepentant must be pushed to the margins so that they can't sneak back into the places of influence to begin this cycle anew; our complacency and misplaced compassion is what's allowed this to happen in the first place, and thinking that everyone can be redeemed is how we'd just be pushing this down the road for a generation. It's a hard notion, to be sure, but when you consider what's at stake, it's a necessary one.
Certainly there are those who are wholly evil. They are gone. They will pay the wages of their sins now or later, in this plane or the next. Hopefully both.
And there are those who, if they open up to awakening, will be filled with overwhelming remorse at what they've done to themselves or their loved ones. Parents who've jabbed their children come to mind. Therefore, they simply cannot/will not acknowledge or fight their programming because if they did, they would have to own up to their own monstrous deeds. That's a big ask.
But...
There are those out there who seem truly beyond reach who may yet be awakened. Saved. It will be a long, arduous journey. Not linear by any means. They will fight it for so many reasons. And, again, some will choose to remain programmed rather than confront what they've become or what they've done.
I believe those who have discernment have been blessed. Why can some people see through the lies and propaganda while others swallow it whole? Although sometimes it may seem more of a burden than a gift, those who are already awakened are rich in ways the sheep cannot comprehend.
With the gift comes responsibility. Can everyone be saved? No. Should we still fight for those who can be? Yes.
The people who'd dismiss him on surface details, would dismiss any argument he had that disagreed with their worldview. The whole point of indoctrination isn't just to fill their head with a bunch of nonsense in order to control them; it's to make them incurious to any information contrary to that control. That's why they're programmed with a ton of triggers that are meant to shut down rational thought and create an emotional tirade so that they never question their beliefs.
Only the people on the borderline can be possibly brought back from the brink; the rest are a totally lost cause and the best you can do is marginalize them.
I agree with most of what you said, except what I quoted above. I think there are more who can be saved - many more. Even many of those who are currently fully indoctrinated. But your first paragraph describes exactly why it will be a difficult, and traumatic for them, process.
The programming can be broken, but it will take time, repetition, patience and compassion.
I don't want us to give up on even one single soul. Some will be totally lost, but I hope all discerning warriors for freedom and light will still fight for them anyway. I truly believe we'll all be shocked at how many will begin to awaken. We cannot give up on them. We just can't.
I'll concede easily that you're far more optimistic than I am, but I think that you misunderstood what I meant; possibly because of my phrasing.
Indoctrination is not a binary state: there are subtle shades along the way as one's ego is replaced with a mere puppet to something they don't truly understand. Up to a certain point, they can be brought back with varying success, and the question becomes how much effort you want to expend on an effort you'll very likely never be thanked or remunerated for; I suppose it depends on how selflessly compassionate you are, and I'll grant without question that you'd be far more willing to undertake that than me.
Still, that having been said, I think we can both agree to varying degrees of distaste that there are those who are truly lost, and for whom no amount of true reconciliation can be reached. The longer they've been indoctrinated, the more calcified the set of false beliefs, ideas, and facts is in their minds, and most importantly the more their sense of self-worth and personal prosperity is based upon the ideology, the more the person vanishes beyond the threshold that they can't be recalled from.
For example, take the person who got one of those useless activist degrees in college, who now makes their living by working for a community activism group funded by wealthy Elite interests, who acts as a sort of sheep-herder for the Black Bloc/BLM/Antifa mobs that sow domestic terror; the ones that you can see in any such event if you keep an eye out for them, the ones that typically stand in the back with a bullhorn and/or other communication devices. Depending on how exposed they act, they might already have a rap sheet for all the times they got snagged in the dragnets. Do you really see that person trying to make a radically different life for themselves? No, more than likely they'll refuse, because the alternative is probably a retail job that they'll never get because of the criminal record. Like a Made Man from the Mafia, they're in too deep to truly get out.
These people are lost causes, pure and simple, but the upside is that they're almost certainly a small percentage of the overall gestalt left as we know it. I agree that many can be brought back, because many are more than likely just going through the motions out of fear of social pressure and ostracization. When the veil is lifted and people once again feel they can speak and act freely, I truly wouldn't be surprised if >80% of what we see as the radical left vanishes overnight and says as much openly, and they become a big part of the solution of finishing off the work of returning to normalcy; some of them might take longer to recover, but they can do so organically without any intervention. The rest will probably take some work on a local level, but eventually since all of this ideology is largely a fad, social mores will fix it and people close to them can do the rest.
To pretend we can save them ALL, however, is bordering on hopelessly naive; it's a sad truth, but you can't save everyone, no matter how hard you try. The ones that remain unrepentant must be pushed to the margins so that they can't sneak back into the places of influence to begin this cycle anew; our complacency and misplaced compassion is what's allowed this to happen in the first place, and thinking that everyone can be redeemed is how we'd just be pushing this down the road for a generation. It's a hard notion, to be sure, but when you consider what's at stake, it's a necessary one.
Very well said. I can't disagree, not entirely.
Certainly there are those who are wholly evil. They are gone. They will pay the wages of their sins now or later, in this plane or the next. Hopefully both.
And there are those who, if they open up to awakening, will be filled with overwhelming remorse at what they've done to themselves or their loved ones. Parents who've jabbed their children come to mind. Therefore, they simply cannot/will not acknowledge or fight their programming because if they did, they would have to own up to their own monstrous deeds. That's a big ask.
But...
There are those out there who seem truly beyond reach who may yet be awakened. Saved. It will be a long, arduous journey. Not linear by any means. They will fight it for so many reasons. And, again, some will choose to remain programmed rather than confront what they've become or what they've done.
I believe those who have discernment have been blessed. Why can some people see through the lies and propaganda while others swallow it whole? Although sometimes it may seem more of a burden than a gift, those who are already awakened are rich in ways the sheep cannot comprehend.
With the gift comes responsibility. Can everyone be saved? No. Should we still fight for those who can be? Yes.