1960’s Ford mustangs are one of the most sought after classic muscle cars in the world, if you happen to own one that’s in as good of shape as you bought it in, fair chance it’s increased in value.
The Ford GT will increase in value every year if you’re lucky enough to afford one of those beasts.
Other than that, new cars are a terrible investment no matter what company (for us simpletons that is. If you can afford luxury limited edition cars, then that’s a good investment as well)
Outside America the interest for American cars is minimal. Cuba and Sweden being the only two exceptions were you can regularly see classic American cars on the roads.
Considering only America makes muscle cars, I stand by my statement. Even if only one Chinese guy wants one, it makes it the most highly sought after muscle car in the world because no other country has ever made an “American muscle car”
I don’t know what the fuck you think you’re arguing but American muscle cars from the 60s increase in value is my point. I’m not going to get into a retarded argument of opinion with you. If you can’t distinguish a 120HP 3 speed V8 muscle car from a Ferrari, you’re a goddamn moron who knows nothing about cars.
isn’t as fucked by American regulations
This right here is the sentence that told me you’re retarded. Nigga what regulation are you talking about? The fucking EPA didn’t even exist when these cars were made.
They say Americans will use anything to avoid using metric. Minimal, "quite a few". Show me the numbers, percentage wise, how many cars of those you saw were classic American cars?
What are you comparing too? Obviously most classic American cars are still in America.
When I say a lot I really mean a lot, you enter a small town and 60-70% of the cars are classic American cars. Where in eastern Europe can I find those numbers?
They aren't making any new real cars. Buying something reliable without everything being controlled by computer trash is the way to go. Look for something from the '90s or '00s where there was an ECU and maybe a computer for the gauge cluster or whatever but nothing fake & gay controlling the windows, headlights, horn, steering, braking, etc. Compulsory back-up cameras are highly gay too.
My air cooled Honda dual sport will never die. Analog speedo, odometer and trip meter. Drum brake rear. Single piston air cooled Honda engines are tanks and the low tech on my bike means even a dummy like me can work on it. When my Tacoma dies I likely will buy a piece of shit beater to replace it as a farm use vehicle and use my dual sport as a main commuter
I don't buy a vehicle from a company because they say "I was great once."
That big 3 are like a sad little off Broadway aging drag queen show you got free tickets to and went to on a lark.
Ones' dressed up like Marilyn Monroe , and there's a chain smoking Dorothy from wizard of oz ... and everyone claps and tells him he's great. Not because they want the product but out of pity.
While making a mental note not to come back here again.
A Ford E350 is a competent chassis. You can still get aftermarket parts like brand new brakes, and while the V10 guzzles fuel, it runs a low RPM and last a very long time. The only real enemy is rust. There are work arounds for handling performance issues -- better roll bars, bushings, wheel adapters, shocks etc.
The old ford focus was a competent, but noisy little box. If kept oiled or run outside the rust belt, they too can last a very long time.
Eventually they become a pain in the ass to maintain. You just end up making payments to a mechanic instead of a bank. Have you priced a transmission for that vehicle?
I do most of my own repairs an maintenance, but I see your point. I have priced out transmissions and in general they are a hell of a lot cheaper than buying another car that will need the same thing.
It's cute too to see how they manipulate the payment periods to make it seem like vehicles haven't doubled in price over the last little while. Think 48 monthly payments vs 72 month biweekly payments
I saw a term the other day. “Infinity mortgage” — people with fixed payment mortgages are seeing their loan term extend to infinity.
The (bank's) computer cannot calculate this moment when your payment is less than the required interest," Butler told CTVNews.ca in a phone interview on Wednesday. "When the interest is more than your payment, the computer gives up and shows infinity sign."
No doubt. The loan companies will give people almost any amount for an auto loan these days because it's a secured asset they can repo if necessary. People with McDonalds like jobs often get approved for $700 and $800 per month car payments.
For the EVs there are bs incentives too...state and federal government subsidizing EVs...but it doesn't really make it that much cheaper.
It’s not just the acquisition costs. The adjustments will be made in operating costs via insurance rates and ongoing maintenance, as it is more expensive to insure and maintain these vehicles and the market will catch up. Beyond that, the resale value is going to be the killer.
You buy a $50,000 EV. Yay! It does 0 to 60 in 3 secs, is basically a roving iPhone with a huge screen and costs 1/2 as much to operate. Big sad for the range and especially for long trips, which take 3-5 times as long. But it seems like a good trade. Plus, you are so green and hip. Three years in, the battery failed. Oh nos! The battery no longer costs $200. It’s $30,000.
Maybe your battery was good for seven years. See, I told you these things were the future! Now you want a new one. Insurance now costs 2.5x as much for EV, but it’s still worth it to you. You go to sell… how much can you get? Wait, how much useful life is left? Will someone fork over $15,000 to you, when they may have a $30,000 expense to keep the car running literally any day now?
Give and EV 10 years, and new parts will disappear. Many models are short lived, like the Chevy Volt. There will be next to nothing in aftermarket parts. Without parts, keeping it running will be a nightmare.
I haven't checked, but it would be interesting to browse rockauto.com and see how extensive the parts list is for EVs, compared to a generic car like a Toyota Corolla or a F150 truck.
edit: Chevy Volt - 2018 - main shaft for transmission -- GM GENUINE 25199341 out of stock. This probably means there is no after market part, and GM won't make more. So break an important part, and you are into custom machining or hoping to find something at salvage / e-bay. Fine for a 1963 classic car -- not so for a recent model disposable EV.
I recently learned that an A/c compressor for a Toyota EV is asinine cost wise because it's electric to work with the batteries instead of belt driven from an internal combustion engine.
I think it was a prius, but don't quote me on that. That alone would make me not want to ever own an EV, even normal confort items are in the thousands to fix.
Fucking Union big-wigs lining up to suck Chinese Commie Cock for kick-backs and perks. The members (brainwashed as they are) will get fucked over long-term, but they'll follow along like good little sheep.
There's a huge battery plant they're building with Korean involvement/partnership under construction in KY. It is pretty far along. Did I mention that it's HUGE? I was amazed when I read they were doing another one in concert with Chyna. There's no way the market justifies it.
2 billion dollar Honda battery plant on I. 71, 50 miles south of Columbus Ohio, under construction as well. I like the concept of electric golf carts, the tech is no where close for cars.
It's in west Tennessee. The state coughed up a billion dollars in tax money to get it, right before they coughed up another half billion to go toward a new football stadium for the Tennessee Titans.
Before inflation, the Ranger and Maverick were good values. Chassis, engine and transmission had been around for quite some time both overseas and in the USA. 24,500 and 19,500 MSRP for base models. Ranger could do 28+mpg and the Maverick even better. Hands down better value than any of the other big three. This coming from a GM Truck guy for the past 20 years (ok sprinkle a 94 Grand Caravan in as it did make a good work truck)
I dont like Ford's wokeness but dollar for dollar they were way ahead of the curve in 2020.
I can still never forgive Ford for fucking up the 4.0. If it wasn't for that engine I'd try to keep my ranger another 100k miles. Already had the Timing chain done once, shopped messed it up and my 2K turned into a new crate 4.0.
seriously, what a stupid timing setup. don't believe me? just look it up on youtube. How many vehicles require the Motor to be taken out of the vehicle for a timing job?
One of my techs had one in his Explorer. He just swapped the entire thing since he had to take it out anyway LMAO. My Dad has one in his too but it has an axle problem so he's not driving it currently. Extremely dumb setup. Makes no sense at all when they had the 3.8l sitting there waiting to be bored and stroked to make 4.0-4.1l of reliable power.
IIRC GM did something similar but not quite as bad with the Atlas engines. There was something stupid about their timing chain setup too. Oh and the GM LN2...powering base model s10s and Cavaliers for a long time. Shit design that almost guaranteed your tensioner would go out by 60k miles. If you didnt fix the death rattle when it started, poof. Interference engine. I figured out the secret to those though: buy the AC Delco one, wallow out the oiling hole to make it spray around and also increase volume, and soak the new tensioner in oil overnight before installing.
I had a VW Rabbit. I fixed it every weekend and sometimes on the side of the road. I changed a set of broken points and adjusted the engine timing once in a snow storm at 1am in the morning, by feel. I started it many times by popping it into gear.
The only thing it had going for it was simplicity. However, it was a piece of crap. What to change a ball joint? Grind off the rivet first. Want to change a ventilation fan? Torch out the chassis to get at it. Steering wheel flops two inches down -- the plastic bearing at the bottom of the tube cracked off.
An endless nightmare. Drove it to a junkyard and it wasn't offered a cent for it. The value of the scrap metal wasn't enough to cover getting rid of the motor oil and battery.
A cars were bad back then. You could find Honda Civic bumpers in parking lots where they fell off. Honda Accord cam shafts would wear out in a few years. Hyundai Pony -- not much better than a Lada.
Everything was garbage through the late 70s and 80s. Even Hondas and Toyotas. Sure we had good engines sometimes like the 22R or the B Series but the rest of the car was junk. US manufacturers had their good engines wrapped in junk too - the 2.5l Iron Duke, the good old 350 v8, the 225 leaning tower of power, the ford 250 & 300 i6...Dodge 318.
Everything around them was junk though. Shitty plastic interiors, bad designs that favored replacement manufacturing over repairs, and everything rusted out thanks to the EPA getting into the metals business in the mid 70s. We all know they fucked over the consumer with heavy handed emissions and economy mandates, but far fewer people know that theyre also the reason things from the 60s still havent rusted out while things from the late 70s through 80s are just buckets of rust. Not very environmentally friendly to manufacture tens or hundreds of thousands more replacement vehicles than it would have been to be a little less heavy handed and strike a balance between long lasting and 'cleaner'.
Interesting about the steel problem. Was it recycling of iron that led to various metal contaminates in the steel that promoted corrosion or were changes forced upon the manufacturing processes ?
There are really good coatings like POR 15 that metal parts could be dipped in, or parts could be hot dip galvanized or both. Instead, even in the 2000s, spray on under coatings are used and water gets underneath. Huge flakes of black oxide come off and the coating bulges. It is literally worst than nothing.
Never has there been a "longevity" package. Many consumers would gladly pay extra for corrosion resistance in a vehicle they planned to keep.
I've heard similar stories with recycled copper pipes. Not sure if it's just propaganda to get people to use plastic PEX pipe.
Also owned a 2003 Dodge Dakota that rusted from the inside out. The mechanic blamed it on imported Chinese steel.
It was something about recycling and reclamation; yes. (I think the act had 'reclamation' in the title too IIRC) Its been a long time since I read about it, but I remember instantly connecting the dots to the EPA when I did.
I have a 66 Polara and it has about 120k on it. Thats a lot of miles on such an old car. Its doesnt have anywhere close to the amount of rust underneath that a 2004 Colorado I bought had, and the 'Rado only had 58k on it when I bought it. It only has a small amount of body rust at the very back where the tire kicked up salty slush for 56 years.
Another reason I went with the Ranger: Aluminum bed and hood. Aluminum wont rust out and I plan to keep it for 200k + if I can.
Cold feet? There's an oversaturation in the market of these batteries and the technology is changing. Getting in bed with China is bad business alone, forget getting in bed with them over technology that's going to have to be upgraded before the damn factories even built. This is a nothing burger posted by fearmongering websites.
I remember back when Obama was dictator, and there was the big green energy push. There was a huge plant in Tennessee I think, called Hemlock. It was to produce the finest grade of silicone for solar panels. China did indeed steal that tech. The plant was huge, was going to be a years long project, lots of money. Well, one day they just came in and shut the whole thing down, bam, just like that, which I think is going to happen with all these battery plants. Nobody wants these fucking cars, they aren’t practical and probably never will be. I saw an article several months ago that mentioned a new battery tech that was being developed that would extend the range on these vehicles by 10 times. What I don’t know is if that means it’s gonna cost 10 times as much electricity to charge them? Either way, EV’s SUCK for 90% of the population.
If they didnt have to have crazy acceleration and power, they would probably have better range. Theyre trying too hard to do two things at once: 'be green' and also offer outstanding performance.
They'd be more affordable too; all they need is one or two motors - not four. A FWD EV (just two motors - one in each front wheel) with 25% of the power of a Tesla would be perfectly fine for people that just wanted to commute to work and back. TBH one motor with a limited slip axle would be plenty. It doesnt have to rocket to 60 in 3 seconds; it can take 6-7 to get there and thats perfectly fine most of the time. It would then have much less weight in both mechanical parts but also require a smaller battery. In theory it would have a far better range too.
I need a truck for work but it doesnt have to be a full size - I just need to be able to put large bulky equipment in the bed, or haul 1000-2000lbs now and then. I also may randomly drive 300-400 miles in a day during busy season. Im an Operations Manager and owner of an engineering firm and go where the day takes me a lot. For what I do, I bought a 2020 Ranger and it was perfectly suited to the job. I can get as high as 30mpg (usually 26-28 by the time the tank is empty) if I just commute in it. It has all the power I need to get up to speed or haul samples & equipment around. It was also 28k out the door and I could have gotten one for 24.5k had I went with a base model.
An EV just doesnt work for me and never will until I can refuel in 5 minutes to go another 400-500 miles. But I also dont need a huge truck.
Translation, no one is actually buying a Ford Lightning. No one wants a truck that has an engine that effectively only lasts 10 years and will cost the value of the vehicle to replace.
But who is really paying for all this? I am, it appears. From the Detroit News:
As part of the deal, Ford secured about $210 million in direct tax incentives plus a 15-year property tax abatement worth about $775 million over the life of the tax break. There was also roughly $750 million set aside for site prep at the location, with a $299 million earmark allocated for the Marshall Area Economic Development Alliance and a $330 million earmark pushed toward the Michigan Department of Transportation budget for expanding roadways and freeway connections for the presumed Ford plant's truck traffic. Another $120 million was routed to MAEDA earlier this month through the SOAR fund.
I'm 100% confident that the UAW strike which asked for 40% raise and a paid day off every week on top of already high wage and other benefits have absolutely nothing to do with this decision.
I was picking up some timing parts for my 200k f150 5.4 3v (running perfectly) and Electric Ford lightnings were priced the same as a roush f250. You think itd be a no brainer. But the people coming in from out of state have no brains :(
Need to build a plant in Ohio for a new truck that runs in LP and we move towards energy independence by switching to liquid natural gas/propane/biogas.
"Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer had no such qualms, however, and welcomed the plant with open arms as her state government pumped $1 billion into the project."
Yeah, Ford will be keeping the money, you dumb bitch.
Who the fuck has the money to buy these brand new cars anyway? Everyone is maxing out their credit and that bubble is going to pop eventually.
I do but it looks like a terrible investment
my 10 year old ride has been taken care of well and has bluetooth - I don't really see a reason to upgrade
You know what is also a terrible investment?
Buying a Ford, period.
1960’s Ford mustangs are one of the most sought after classic muscle cars in the world, if you happen to own one that’s in as good of shape as you bought it in, fair chance it’s increased in value.
The Ford GT will increase in value every year if you’re lucky enough to afford one of those beasts.
Other than that, new cars are a terrible investment no matter what company (for us simpletons that is. If you can afford luxury limited edition cars, then that’s a good investment as well)
Outside America the interest for American cars is minimal. Cuba and Sweden being the only two exceptions were you can regularly see classic American cars on the roads.
The Japs bro.
I doubt you'll ever find a place like this in Japan, but if you do, I want to see it.
As you wish fren.
Considering only America makes muscle cars, I stand by my statement. Even if only one Chinese guy wants one, it makes it the most highly sought after muscle car in the world because no other country has ever made an “American muscle car”
I don’t know what the fuck you think you’re arguing but American muscle cars from the 60s increase in value is my point. I’m not going to get into a retarded argument of opinion with you. If you can’t distinguish a 120HP 3 speed V8 muscle car from a Ferrari, you’re a goddamn moron who knows nothing about cars.
This right here is the sentence that told me you’re retarded. Nigga what regulation are you talking about? The fucking EPA didn’t even exist when these cars were made.
You have obviously never been to:
Austria Hungary Slovakia Czech Republic Slovenia Croatia
...Dodge Chargers, Ford Mustangs, and Corvettes - saw quite a few on my 3000 mile trip through all those countries just a few months ago.
They say Americans will use anything to avoid using metric. Minimal, "quite a few". Show me the numbers, percentage wise, how many cars of those you saw were classic American cars?
What are you comparing too? Obviously most classic American cars are still in America.
When I say a lot I really mean a lot, you enter a small town and 60-70% of the cars are classic American cars. Where in eastern Europe can I find those numbers?
Referring to modern Ford.
Yes, to an extent all modern vehicles are shit but the Japs are still holding fast.
Honda Civics still go 120k+ miles.
120k is nothing. If a car can't make it to 200k these days it's a piece of shit.
So will Toyota, Ford and Chevy
I've got 295k on my '95 silverado...120k is so 1970's.
That's "low mileage" on a old Volvo with the red block engine.
ESH, but you have to replace the heater core or water pump in a Ford at 80,000 miles (1995 Taurus, the last Ford I owned)
Mom got 290k on an '86 Aerostar 2.8 V6 she bought new.
cars are a terrible investment. The fact you guys think just Ford is , is just retarded.
Ford needs to bring back the Model A.
Biden wants that. Top speed was what? 30 mph
65 mph
Wants that? He used it for his drivers exam.
You won't be enthusiastic about going anywhere in bidens america anyways ... seems fine
They aren't making any new real cars. Buying something reliable without everything being controlled by computer trash is the way to go. Look for something from the '90s or '00s where there was an ECU and maybe a computer for the gauge cluster or whatever but nothing fake & gay controlling the windows, headlights, horn, steering, braking, etc. Compulsory back-up cameras are highly gay too.
My air cooled Honda dual sport will never die. Analog speedo, odometer and trip meter. Drum brake rear. Single piston air cooled Honda engines are tanks and the low tech on my bike means even a dummy like me can work on it. When my Tacoma dies I likely will buy a piece of shit beater to replace it as a farm use vehicle and use my dual sport as a main commuter
They used to be a good investment.
A Model A can bring $20,000 --- $30,000 now
A vehicle is a luxury item, not an investment at all.
Go back to East Berlin, you time-tripping faggot.
LOL
a vehicle is not a luxury item.
I don't buy a vehicle from a company because they say "I was great once."
That big 3 are like a sad little off Broadway aging drag queen show you got free tickets to and went to on a lark.
Ones' dressed up like Marilyn Monroe , and there's a chain smoking Dorothy from wizard of oz ... and everyone claps and tells him he's great. Not because they want the product but out of pity.
While making a mental note not to come back here again.
No one cares what you do. But buy a classic mustang today and you can sell it next year for a profit.
that’s it. That’s all I said. YALL reading into my comment like it’s a Pink Floyd song.
I like my 97 ford.
That was long before the Ford Ceo and Board went nuts.
You could say the big 3 all suck and create grossly overpriced crap vehicles.
“Wish a Ford and a Chevy, Could still last 10 years, Like they should.”
“Is the best of the free life Behind us now? Are the good times really over For good?”
Merle Haggard 1982
A Ford E350 is a competent chassis. You can still get aftermarket parts like brand new brakes, and while the V10 guzzles fuel, it runs a low RPM and last a very long time. The only real enemy is rust. There are work arounds for handling performance issues -- better roll bars, bushings, wheel adapters, shocks etc.
The old ford focus was a competent, but noisy little box. If kept oiled or run outside the rust belt, they too can last a very long time.
Lol at the downvotes
You car enthusiasts are a different breed
Eventually they become a pain in the ass to maintain. You just end up making payments to a mechanic instead of a bank. Have you priced a transmission for that vehicle?
I do most of my own repairs an maintenance, but I see your point. I have priced out transmissions and in general they are a hell of a lot cheaper than buying another car that will need the same thing.
It's cute too to see how they manipulate the payment periods to make it seem like vehicles haven't doubled in price over the last little while. Think 48 monthly payments vs 72 month biweekly payments
84 months seems to be the new norm.
I saw a term the other day. “Infinity mortgage” — people with fixed payment mortgages are seeing their loan term extend to infinity.
No doubt. The loan companies will give people almost any amount for an auto loan these days because it's a secured asset they can repo if necessary. People with McDonalds like jobs often get approved for $700 and $800 per month car payments.
For the EVs there are bs incentives too...state and federal government subsidizing EVs...but it doesn't really make it that much cheaper.
It’s not just the acquisition costs. The adjustments will be made in operating costs via insurance rates and ongoing maintenance, as it is more expensive to insure and maintain these vehicles and the market will catch up. Beyond that, the resale value is going to be the killer.
You buy a $50,000 EV. Yay! It does 0 to 60 in 3 secs, is basically a roving iPhone with a huge screen and costs 1/2 as much to operate. Big sad for the range and especially for long trips, which take 3-5 times as long. But it seems like a good trade. Plus, you are so green and hip. Three years in, the battery failed. Oh nos! The battery no longer costs $200. It’s $30,000.
Maybe your battery was good for seven years. See, I told you these things were the future! Now you want a new one. Insurance now costs 2.5x as much for EV, but it’s still worth it to you. You go to sell… how much can you get? Wait, how much useful life is left? Will someone fork over $15,000 to you, when they may have a $30,000 expense to keep the car running literally any day now?
Welcome to a few years from now.
Give and EV 10 years, and new parts will disappear. Many models are short lived, like the Chevy Volt. There will be next to nothing in aftermarket parts. Without parts, keeping it running will be a nightmare.
I haven't checked, but it would be interesting to browse rockauto.com and see how extensive the parts list is for EVs, compared to a generic car like a Toyota Corolla or a F150 truck.
edit: Chevy Volt - 2018 - main shaft for transmission -- GM GENUINE 25199341 out of stock. This probably means there is no after market part, and GM won't make more. So break an important part, and you are into custom machining or hoping to find something at salvage / e-bay. Fine for a 1963 classic car -- not so for a recent model disposable EV.
I recently learned that an A/c compressor for a Toyota EV is asinine cost wise because it's electric to work with the batteries instead of belt driven from an internal combustion engine.
I think it was a prius, but don't quote me on that. That alone would make me not want to ever own an EV, even normal confort items are in the thousands to fix.
now think about all of those sensors and cameras. think those will be easily replaced with modern equivalents?
Government employees, oligarchs, and allies of the communists, like any other communist shithole.
Fucking Union big-wigs lining up to suck Chinese Commie Cock for kick-backs and perks. The members (brainwashed as they are) will get fucked over long-term, but they'll follow along like good little sheep.
There's a huge battery plant they're building with Korean involvement/partnership under construction in KY. It is pretty far along. Did I mention that it's HUGE? I was amazed when I read they were doing another one in concert with Chyna. There's no way the market justifies it.
yeah first one is free - then they'll start taxing your mileage to make up for the "lost revenue"
2 billion dollar Honda battery plant on I. 71, 50 miles south of Columbus Ohio, under construction as well. I like the concept of electric golf carts, the tech is no where close for cars.
Love my VW diesel passat range almost 800 miles, 55 mpg on freeway, burns clean,, did not fit the their agenda.
Same. I have a 2015 Golf Sportwagon TDI.
Ford had a diesel Escort in '84 getting 55, 65mpg range.
They also had a Ranger with a diesel.
I bet Ford was told to shut it down with the diesel engines.
SK Innovation is the company that Ford is partnered with. The factory is named Blue Oval battery plant.
It's in west Tennessee. The state coughed up a billion dollars in tax money to get it, right before they coughed up another half billion to go toward a new football stadium for the Tennessee Titans.
It’s okay, they provide us with…
Wait a minute, what the hell?
I don’t buy their garbage and they don’t provide ANYTHING worth my money.
Before inflation, the Ranger and Maverick were good values. Chassis, engine and transmission had been around for quite some time both overseas and in the USA. 24,500 and 19,500 MSRP for base models. Ranger could do 28+mpg and the Maverick even better. Hands down better value than any of the other big three. This coming from a GM Truck guy for the past 20 years (ok sprinkle a 94 Grand Caravan in as it did make a good work truck)
I dont like Ford's wokeness but dollar for dollar they were way ahead of the curve in 2020.
I can still never forgive Ford for fucking up the 4.0. If it wasn't for that engine I'd try to keep my ranger another 100k miles. Already had the Timing chain done once, shopped messed it up and my 2K turned into a new crate 4.0.
seriously, what a stupid timing setup. don't believe me? just look it up on youtube. How many vehicles require the Motor to be taken out of the vehicle for a timing job?
LOL I know it well!
One of my techs had one in his Explorer. He just swapped the entire thing since he had to take it out anyway LMAO. My Dad has one in his too but it has an axle problem so he's not driving it currently. Extremely dumb setup. Makes no sense at all when they had the 3.8l sitting there waiting to be bored and stroked to make 4.0-4.1l of reliable power.
IIRC GM did something similar but not quite as bad with the Atlas engines. There was something stupid about their timing chain setup too. Oh and the GM LN2...powering base model s10s and Cavaliers for a long time. Shit design that almost guaranteed your tensioner would go out by 60k miles. If you didnt fix the death rattle when it started, poof. Interference engine. I figured out the secret to those though: buy the AC Delco one, wallow out the oiling hole to make it spray around and also increase volume, and soak the new tensioner in oil overnight before installing.
They already threw out all babkruptcy laws the last last round and when Obama did it and not enough people cared about it.
This is not true. They are only pausing the construction until after the strikes are over -
https://www.wxyz.com/news/ford-pauses-construction-on-3-5b-electric-vehicle-battery-plant-in-michigan
Smart since China will just steal it anyway
What a nice piece of R & D you have there. Sure would be a shame if someone stole it all...
Thinly veiled threat to Biden.
Ford should be ashamed of itself for even considering building a friggin plant in China. Have they no shame?
F IXED OR R EPAIRED D AILY.
F OUND ON R OAD D EAD
Fat Or Retarded Driver.
Lol
Now do Pontiac
I had a VW Rabbit. I fixed it every weekend and sometimes on the side of the road. I changed a set of broken points and adjusted the engine timing once in a snow storm at 1am in the morning, by feel. I started it many times by popping it into gear.
The only thing it had going for it was simplicity. However, it was a piece of crap. What to change a ball joint? Grind off the rivet first. Want to change a ventilation fan? Torch out the chassis to get at it. Steering wheel flops two inches down -- the plastic bearing at the bottom of the tube cracked off.
An endless nightmare. Drove it to a junkyard and it wasn't offered a cent for it. The value of the scrap metal wasn't enough to cover getting rid of the motor oil and battery.
A cars were bad back then. You could find Honda Civic bumpers in parking lots where they fell off. Honda Accord cam shafts would wear out in a few years. Hyundai Pony -- not much better than a Lada.
This isnt wrong.
Everything was garbage through the late 70s and 80s. Even Hondas and Toyotas. Sure we had good engines sometimes like the 22R or the B Series but the rest of the car was junk. US manufacturers had their good engines wrapped in junk too - the 2.5l Iron Duke, the good old 350 v8, the 225 leaning tower of power, the ford 250 & 300 i6...Dodge 318.
Everything around them was junk though. Shitty plastic interiors, bad designs that favored replacement manufacturing over repairs, and everything rusted out thanks to the EPA getting into the metals business in the mid 70s. We all know they fucked over the consumer with heavy handed emissions and economy mandates, but far fewer people know that theyre also the reason things from the 60s still havent rusted out while things from the late 70s through 80s are just buckets of rust. Not very environmentally friendly to manufacture tens or hundreds of thousands more replacement vehicles than it would have been to be a little less heavy handed and strike a balance between long lasting and 'cleaner'.
Interesting about the steel problem. Was it recycling of iron that led to various metal contaminates in the steel that promoted corrosion or were changes forced upon the manufacturing processes ?
There are really good coatings like POR 15 that metal parts could be dipped in, or parts could be hot dip galvanized or both. Instead, even in the 2000s, spray on under coatings are used and water gets underneath. Huge flakes of black oxide come off and the coating bulges. It is literally worst than nothing.
Never has there been a "longevity" package. Many consumers would gladly pay extra for corrosion resistance in a vehicle they planned to keep.
I've heard similar stories with recycled copper pipes. Not sure if it's just propaganda to get people to use plastic PEX pipe. Also owned a 2003 Dodge Dakota that rusted from the inside out. The mechanic blamed it on imported Chinese steel.
It was something about recycling and reclamation; yes. (I think the act had 'reclamation' in the title too IIRC) Its been a long time since I read about it, but I remember instantly connecting the dots to the EPA when I did.
I have a 66 Polara and it has about 120k on it. Thats a lot of miles on such an old car. Its doesnt have anywhere close to the amount of rust underneath that a 2004 Colorado I bought had, and the 'Rado only had 58k on it when I bought it. It only has a small amount of body rust at the very back where the tire kicked up salty slush for 56 years.
Another reason I went with the Ranger: Aluminum bed and hood. Aluminum wont rust out and I plan to keep it for 200k + if I can.
That's Not cold feet. That is growing a brain cell or two.
Cold feet? There's an oversaturation in the market of these batteries and the technology is changing. Getting in bed with China is bad business alone, forget getting in bed with them over technology that's going to have to be upgraded before the damn factories even built. This is a nothing burger posted by fearmongering websites.
I remember back when Obama was dictator, and there was the big green energy push. There was a huge plant in Tennessee I think, called Hemlock. It was to produce the finest grade of silicone for solar panels. China did indeed steal that tech. The plant was huge, was going to be a years long project, lots of money. Well, one day they just came in and shut the whole thing down, bam, just like that, which I think is going to happen with all these battery plants. Nobody wants these fucking cars, they aren’t practical and probably never will be. I saw an article several months ago that mentioned a new battery tech that was being developed that would extend the range on these vehicles by 10 times. What I don’t know is if that means it’s gonna cost 10 times as much electricity to charge them? Either way, EV’s SUCK for 90% of the population.
EVs just dont work for a lot of people.
BUT
If they didnt have to have crazy acceleration and power, they would probably have better range. Theyre trying too hard to do two things at once: 'be green' and also offer outstanding performance.
They'd be more affordable too; all they need is one or two motors - not four. A FWD EV (just two motors - one in each front wheel) with 25% of the power of a Tesla would be perfectly fine for people that just wanted to commute to work and back. TBH one motor with a limited slip axle would be plenty. It doesnt have to rocket to 60 in 3 seconds; it can take 6-7 to get there and thats perfectly fine most of the time. It would then have much less weight in both mechanical parts but also require a smaller battery. In theory it would have a far better range too.
I need a truck for work but it doesnt have to be a full size - I just need to be able to put large bulky equipment in the bed, or haul 1000-2000lbs now and then. I also may randomly drive 300-400 miles in a day during busy season. Im an Operations Manager and owner of an engineering firm and go where the day takes me a lot. For what I do, I bought a 2020 Ranger and it was perfectly suited to the job. I can get as high as 30mpg (usually 26-28 by the time the tank is empty) if I just commute in it. It has all the power I need to get up to speed or haul samples & equipment around. It was also 28k out the door and I could have gotten one for 24.5k had I went with a base model.
An EV just doesnt work for me and never will until I can refuel in 5 minutes to go another 400-500 miles. But I also dont need a huge truck.
That’s not cold feet they know something. POTUS will be back in and they know it.
Translation, no one is actually buying a Ford Lightning. No one wants a truck that has an engine that effectively only lasts 10 years and will cost the value of the vehicle to replace.
But who is really paying for all this? I am, it appears. From the Detroit News:
As part of the deal, Ford secured about $210 million in direct tax incentives plus a 15-year property tax abatement worth about $775 million over the life of the tax break. There was also roughly $750 million set aside for site prep at the location, with a $299 million earmark allocated for the Marshall Area Economic Development Alliance and a $330 million earmark pushed toward the Michigan Department of Transportation budget for expanding roadways and freeway connections for the presumed Ford plant's truck traffic. Another $120 million was routed to MAEDA earlier this month through the SOAR fund.
I'm 100% confident that the UAW strike which asked for 40% raise and a paid day off every week on top of already high wage and other benefits have absolutely nothing to do with this decision.
Just in case Trump wins, you know...
Ford is feeling the pain on its EV s they are sitting on the lots and they are offering big discounts. Just saw a Mach E GT for 8k off
In arizona thats 8k off 180% msrp.
I was picking up some timing parts for my 200k f150 5.4 3v (running perfectly) and Electric Ford lightnings were priced the same as a roush f250. You think itd be a no brainer. But the people coming in from out of state have no brains :(
Good. I never thought of Ford as an environmentally friendly company, but inadvertently, they are.
It's not the EV part that sells teslas.
Need to build a plant in Ohio for a new truck that runs in LP and we move towards energy independence by switching to liquid natural gas/propane/biogas.
I paid 29K for my used 2012 Shelby Mustang and have recently been offered $42K for it. The right ones go up in value.
Why would I trade my 5 year old loaded pick up that sleeps in my garage and has 21k miles on its V8 engine?
I bought it new...paid cash $40k
...yeah I want to buy a new one with a 4 cylinder engine and scrounged up computer chips for $65k
sure
China EVs are fire hazards. Just like the E-bikes they make. Shit burns down apartments.
The US government can’t print enough fake money to cover even that shit show.
Cold feet or was this an evergrande project that lost all its funding?
"Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer had no such qualms, however, and welcomed the plant with open arms as her state government pumped $1 billion into the project."
Yeah, Ford will be keeping the money, you dumb bitch.
good, fuck china! and FUCK THE FEDERAL EXPRESS!
Every company is pulling back from China. Nothing special
GOOD!!! FUCK CHINA!
and FUCK THE FEDERAL EXPRESS!
Good.
Good.
Fuck China.