I hate those windmills. They kill birds, confuse the fish, they break, & also disrupt natural resources & wild life. Not dependable & the upkeep is astronomically expensive. FJB
Most end up in landfills, some are chopped up and burned at high temperature. Only problem is, that whole procedure, including construction requires more energy than what they produce in their whole lifetime.
The Dutch used to build them in wood using sails to catch the wind. They're now working with the Swedes to build wind turbines in wood again, hopefully it works because that would solve much of the microplastic pollution problems which turns the frogs gay, and they would be a lot easier to "recycle".
And once you get wind, your turbine won't be the only one spinning, they all will spin and generate more power than the grid needs. This means you pay to get rid of excess power.
Obviously you don't want that so you shut it down.
See how it works, wind will never generate profit, and therefore never generate energy. And before you claim they're spinning while there's wind, that's only because of screaming liberals, they spin but the generator is disconnected.
, they all will spin and generate more power than the grid needs. This means you pay to get rid of excess power.
Or we figure out a way to use excess power productively...
Oh yeah, running an electric current through the air produces Nitrogen oxides, which can be bubbled through water, and produce fertilizer in the process in a pretty economical manner.
How much oil do they consume in a lifetime? 80 gallons a year, so over a 20 year lifespan, each one sucks down 1,600 gallons. Then there's the space required - about 1.5 acres per unit. And it needs to be clear felled, because trees create turbulence that interferes with the constant, optimal 20mph winds needed.
Then you can factor in manufacture and installation...
Usually it's burned at high temperature after being crushed, some third world countries makes asphalt out of it and pave their roads. Never heard about it being used in concrete. This is not very cost efficient tho so most countries put them in landfills.
I could have misremembered that it was concrete. It very well could have been asphalt that was discussed in the article. I didn't archive the article and can't find it anymore.
It's aight, half the time they cover it with a nice layer of turf so it looks fine until you try to drink the runoff. I'm not anti-it, that's how we get energy, but it sure sucks when you're in the affected region.
Miners here are prickly about reclamation, but to be fair, they tend to do a really good job most of the time. Still, there are a couple skeletons literally buried in the closet so to speak.
You thought I was joking, I was dead ass. The soda lake in Casper Wyoming was filled with petroleum runoff from the 50s into the 90s and its only 25 minutes from the North Antelope Rochelle Mine. Right next to the soda lake is the largest dump for wind turbine blades in the country
Those blades are hollow, so we should dig them up, cut them into 12 foot pieces, put a couple of holes in them for windows, add a floor, tilt them up, add a door and drop them off on the streets of San Francisco for the homeless.
I'm hesitant. Where do we put the needles and poop? Can we get some kind of law to declare the bubonic plague outbreak zone a unique habitat? Would there be a special dispensation to put in such modern architecture and bold gay design in land stewarded by the first peoples of antifa?
You make the floor out of 1/4" steel mesh so most of the needles and poop fall through after the weekly fire hose comes by to clean some of the filth away.
No, I'm trying to envision the process of removing these blades. It wouldn't surprise me if some company claimed that just letting them sink to the bottom would create a nice new reef. Problem solved.
It isnt "our landscape", its my private property, you fucking communist. I own my property from heaven to hellfire and it is my right to do with it what I please.
And they're ugly as hell. So are all the stupid solar panels appearing everywhere now too.
There's never any beauty in a leftist world. Look at the Soviet society. It was all concrete buildings and gray colors. Their cult ideology demands uniformity of everything. That was a major theme in 1984 actually.
FREEDOM is what inspires creativity and beauty in society. We no longer have it, and our surroundings are reflecting that. Instead of the gray state buildings of the Bolsheviks we get windmills and the exact same corporate bullshit in every single town across America.
Funny thing is I can remember the lefties, especially the bunny-huggers, pitching a fit when the navy wanted to test/build ultra-low frequency underwater comms to talk to submarines. It was bad for the whales!!! Now the offshore windmills are spewing the same and near same frequencies but that's (D)ifferent!
Cut-up condors in CA; grated golden eagles in CO, fukc 'em! Shredded tweet man...
I drove a new F-150 Lightning Lariat recently while shopping for a new truck. Bought a Silverado with Duramax diesel instead. Very happy with my decision.
You're a little less delicate about it, but you're totally correct.
That's what I was pointing out. The wind blows. It's the Sun that doesn't linger during the winter season.
I install off-grid hybrid electrical generation units, it's my specialty. The most common setup is a wind turbine, a PV array, and a diesel backup generator.
Solar and wind take turns being dominate during a yearly set of seasons. And up here in the North East, winters tend to be windy.
But there are plenty of dark, motionless days where the diesel generator is a necessity.
Right now, since we have just passed the autumn equinox, the reduction in solar electrical is huge. It bottoms out by Halloween and stays shitty until Groundhog Day. My wind turbine gets more exposure once there are no leaves to hold the wind back.
I saw this exact picture on Facebook, and everybody was responding saying it was fake. Like lmao The people in Texas during that deep freeze couldn't even drive their electric cars, their battery's froze solid.
It's funny because nowadays they scream about their heat pumps. Only problem is, if those pumps don't get power from the grid 24x7 the battery will cool down anyway, and the water pipes might freeze and burst.
I never understood the EV hate on the conservative side honestly. EVs use 100% American made power - all fuel sources come from USA. The oil not used by EVs can still be exported - even better for US economy. Sure we have battery components coming from foreign sources but it still a positive overall investment for us to make. Hopefully in the future we get more domestic battery production and recycling to reduce foreign imports even more.
Because EV is one of the biggest scam ever created. I'll try to make a short list of everything that comes to mind:
Batteries need very rare materials like cobalt, nickel and lithium. Look up how cobalt is mined, it's not pretty at all.
The battery is basically 75% of the price of the car, and it also the most likely to reach its lifespan. Battery dead = buy a new car.
Those vehicles are very heavy, sometimes twice as normal cars. That means you need special tires that can support the extra weight, and they generally wear much faster.
Fully electrical vehicle can easily be stopped by a software or remotely. Basically, gives company or the government entire control of your movements.
The faster you recharge your vehicle, the less efficient it is. Simply because you put more energy in the wire, so a lot more is lost as heat instead. It can be as low as 66% efficiency, so be prepare to pay 50% more in electricity.
The current electrical network is simply not ready for this. You can't store it, so you must produce it constantly when needed. Would be fire if we could get more nuclear powerplant, but "green" energy has very low efficiency and raw power.
When they burn down, they are incredibly hard, if not straight up impossible, to put out. You need to spend absurd amount of water to keep the fire under control https://ctif.org/news/150-000-liters-water-needed-put-out-fire-electric-car . As long as the battery is active and in contact with air, it will burn immediately. Good luck finding that amount of water in the middle of summer, when many areas restrict water usage.
Same is true for the diesel engine in a diesel truck at this point.
Dude, diesel are among the longest lasting engine. From purely the stats, they last in average 8 times longer than EV batteries. It's actually one of thing that is the least likely to break in your diesel car.
No they arent. Same weight as a equivalent luxury sedan
Ah yes, compare EV weight to one of the heaviest model of cars, what a nice and fair comparison. Sedan in average are several hundred pounds heavier than the average car, so even if EV are similar to Sedan, then yes, they are much heavier than the average car. In average, EVs are about 30% heavier.
Go rip out your car's wiring harness
You realize electric vehicles are... electric, right? Which means it's fairly simple to protect them with various software and electronics to prevent the car from starting if it was modified, for instance? Can't remote control a purely mechanical system on the contrary.
Cars have doors for a reason, if it sets on fire get out of it. It isnt fun to have an engine fire but I have survived... 4? without issue.
Do you think my entire argument was about the safety of the person inside? I never even mentionned that at all in my entire message, where did you get that idea? Of course the person inside the EV can take safety, but that wasn't the point of my message. EV are extremely hard to extinguish, and because the tech is still not mastered, they can happen at any point.
Sitting near a truck with a hose for a while isnt exactly that big of a deal when your car sets on fire.
So you completely ignored the rest of this argument, and basically think "It's fine, water is infinite". Maybe your local area is fine water-wise, but those are serious issues in many parts of the world, especially in summer. If every car can take fire randomly, and each demand the equivalement of a medium-sized pool, you're going to run into problems very fast.
If you're going to keep using such bad faith arguments, like finding the mostextremes of examples to prove your point while ignoring the average or not even reading the sentence fully, don't bother replying, cause I won't bother reading.
Dude, diesel are among the longest lasting engine.
DEF systems would like to have a word with you
compare EV weight to one of the heaviest model of cars, what a nice and fair comparison. Sedan in average are several hundred pounds heavier than the average car
You are comparing a Tesla to a fucking moped
You realize electric vehicles are... electric, right? Which means it's fairly simple to protect them with various software and electronics to prevent the car from starting if it was modified, for instance?
Tesla elecTRICK cars,
however, are all GPS tracked and, since updates to the software is remotely downloaded, this same capability can turn your Tesla into a USELESS BRICK with the mere stroke of several keys on a computer keyboard.
Imagine getting 6+ years of higher education, introducing yourself as "doctor" to everyone, and you still don't know that plants consume CO2, or that plants helped make petroleum in the first place.
The wind blows a little more during the winter season (around here, Middle-of Nowhere, NH) it's the solar that's really diminishing. As the photoperiod gets shorter, so also the amount of electricity you can harvest from your PV array.
the windmills will come in real handy when Lord Humungus rules the wastelands. A perfect place to tie those who are less-than-enthusiastic with his regime
They actually found out about the whole ice thing the hard way when giant pieces started flying off turning windmills
I hate those windmills. They kill birds, confuse the fish, they break, & also disrupt natural resources & wild life. Not dependable & the upkeep is astronomically expensive. FJB
And when they've reached their lifespan -- how exactly are they going to be disposed of, offshore? Never mind the fires.
I believe "chop them up and bury the chunks in the desert because we can't recycle any of it" is the current system.
Most end up in landfills, some are chopped up and burned at high temperature. Only problem is, that whole procedure, including construction requires more energy than what they produce in their whole lifetime.
As someone that dabbles in woodworking, Id like to see them cut up and repurposed as building material.
The Dutch used to build them in wood using sails to catch the wind. They're now working with the Swedes to build wind turbines in wood again, hopefully it works because that would solve much of the microplastic pollution problems which turns the frogs gay, and they would be a lot easier to "recycle".
Its amazing to me that people are up voting a statement that is so mind numbingly retarded...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/29/turbines-energy
Without wind no energy is generated.
And once you get wind, your turbine won't be the only one spinning, they all will spin and generate more power than the grid needs. This means you pay to get rid of excess power.
Obviously you don't want that so you shut it down.
See how it works, wind will never generate profit, and therefore never generate energy. And before you claim they're spinning while there's wind, that's only because of screaming liberals, they spin but the generator is disconnected.
Or we figure out a way to use excess power productively...
Oh yeah, running an electric current through the air produces Nitrogen oxides, which can be bubbled through water, and produce fertilizer in the process in a pretty economical manner.
You can SELL excess electricity to neighboring providers.
That is a lie. If turbine based power didnt work the only form of power we would have would be solar panels
I guess coal, natural gas, hydroelectric, and nuclear just don’t exist then. Who knew?
They spin a turbine, dumbass.
How much diesel does it take to haul them to the site and then to the desert to be buried by other diesel vehicles
How much oil do they consume in a lifetime? 80 gallons a year, so over a 20 year lifespan, each one sucks down 1,600 gallons. Then there's the space required - about 1.5 acres per unit. And it needs to be clear felled, because trees create turbulence that interferes with the constant, optimal 20mph winds needed.
Then you can factor in manufacture and installation...
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Something seems wrong with this.
Yup. Extra zero. edited out
The energy they make per day is equicalent to 5000 gallons of diesel.
Tends to be on farmland where that has already been taken care of
Gallon a mile, so about 2000 gallons
I understand that. How do they get from the middle of the ocean to the desert? Seems rather cost prohibitive, no?
All answers to these inconvenient questions are screaming and being called hitler
Then you can get a standing in Canadian parliment!
I read a report recently that they've created a process that grinds the blades up and then ships them to a concrete making plant.
I'm not sure how cost-effective this is.
Usually it's burned at high temperature after being crushed, some third world countries makes asphalt out of it and pave their roads. Never heard about it being used in concrete. This is not very cost efficient tho so most countries put them in landfills.
I could have misremembered that it was concrete. It very well could have been asphalt that was discussed in the article. I didn't archive the article and can't find it anymore.
Where I live they put them in a landfill right next to a lake of petroleum runoff and 25 minutes down the road from the world's largest coal mine
Sounds like a nice vacation spot.
Yeah, that wasnt a joke. That is Casper Wyoming. And honestly the Casper mountains are a pretty nice vacation spot
I visited Wyoming when I was a teenager. God's country in many ways.
It's aight, half the time they cover it with a nice layer of turf so it looks fine until you try to drink the runoff. I'm not anti-it, that's how we get energy, but it sure sucks when you're in the affected region.
Miners here are prickly about reclamation, but to be fair, they tend to do a really good job most of the time. Still, there are a couple skeletons literally buried in the closet so to speak.
You thought I was joking, I was dead ass. The soda lake in Casper Wyoming was filled with petroleum runoff from the 50s into the 90s and its only 25 minutes from the North Antelope Rochelle Mine. Right next to the soda lake is the largest dump for wind turbine blades in the country
Those blades are hollow, so we should dig them up, cut them into 12 foot pieces, put a couple of holes in them for windows, add a floor, tilt them up, add a door and drop them off on the streets of San Francisco for the homeless.
NOW THAT'S ABOUT AS GREEN AS YOU CAN GET !
I'm hesitant. Where do we put the needles and poop? Can we get some kind of law to declare the bubonic plague outbreak zone a unique habitat? Would there be a special dispensation to put in such modern architecture and bold gay design in land stewarded by the first peoples of antifa?
You make the floor out of 1/4" steel mesh so most of the needles and poop fall through after the weekly fire hose comes by to clean some of the filth away.
Same as we do fiberglass boats. Shred and incinerate.
You don't get it. How do the blades get from the ocean to the desert, or some processing facility? That will never happen.
So now you are claiming that human beings have no ability to discard waste
No, I'm trying to envision the process of removing these blades. It wouldn't surprise me if some company claimed that just letting them sink to the bottom would create a nice new reef. Problem solved.
Back the hell off with your tired sarcasm.
You forgot hideous. It's really depressing driving through rural areas and seeing dozens of these things ruining the scenery.
They look like big piles of junk to me.
That's because they are big piles of junk. Very expensive junk!
Yes,
they also remind me of War of the Worlds, with those HUGE mechanized devices dropping onto the Earth's surface.
ALIEN INVADERS.
I live in a rural area to do whatever the fuck I want not to deal with restrictions in the name of beauty.
I'm against ruining our beautiful landscape just to make some retarded liberals happy.
It isnt "our landscape", its my private property, you fucking communist. I own my property from heaven to hellfire and it is my right to do with it what I please.
Too unpredictable as well, the more of them, the higher risk of a full grid collapse which could make entire states go dark for days or weeks.
Exactly!
And they're ugly as hell. So are all the stupid solar panels appearing everywhere now too.
There's never any beauty in a leftist world. Look at the Soviet society. It was all concrete buildings and gray colors. Their cult ideology demands uniformity of everything. That was a major theme in 1984 actually.
FREEDOM is what inspires creativity and beauty in society. We no longer have it, and our surroundings are reflecting that. Instead of the gray state buildings of the Bolsheviks we get windmills and the exact same corporate bullshit in every single town across America.
Funny thing is I can remember the lefties, especially the bunny-huggers, pitching a fit when the navy wanted to test/build ultra-low frequency underwater comms to talk to submarines. It was bad for the whales!!! Now the offshore windmills are spewing the same and near same frequencies but that's (D)ifferent!
Cut-up condors in CA; grated golden eagles in CO, fukc 'em! Shredded tweet man...
I drove a new F-150 Lightning Lariat recently while shopping for a new truck. Bought a Silverado with Duramax diesel instead. Very happy with my decision.
You're a little less delicate about it, but you're totally correct.
That's what I was pointing out. The wind blows. It's the Sun that doesn't linger during the winter season.
I install off-grid hybrid electrical generation units, it's my specialty. The most common setup is a wind turbine, a PV array, and a diesel backup generator.
Solar and wind take turns being dominate during a yearly set of seasons. And up here in the North East, winters tend to be windy.
But there are plenty of dark, motionless days where the diesel generator is a necessity.
Right now, since we have just passed the autumn equinox, the reduction in solar electrical is huge. It bottoms out by Halloween and stays shitty until Groundhog Day. My wind turbine gets more exposure once there are no leaves to hold the wind back.
They are sprayed with toxic antifreeze to prevent them from freezing.
The global warming should fix that.
I saw this exact picture on Facebook, and everybody was responding saying it was fake. Like lmao The people in Texas during that deep freeze couldn't even drive their electric cars, their battery's froze solid.
It's funny because nowadays they scream about their heat pumps. Only problem is, if those pumps don't get power from the grid 24x7 the battery will cool down anyway, and the water pipes might freeze and burst.
Heat pumps dont have a battery and the ground is pretty hard to freeze. Hell, you realize heat pumps cool the ground by definition?
Where do you guys come up with this shit? No, they didn't. Source: going into my 9th winter in an EV in rural Iowa.
I never understood the EV hate on the conservative side honestly. EVs use 100% American made power - all fuel sources come from USA. The oil not used by EVs can still be exported - even better for US economy. Sure we have battery components coming from foreign sources but it still a positive overall investment for us to make. Hopefully in the future we get more domestic battery production and recycling to reduce foreign imports even more.
Because EV is one of the biggest scam ever created. I'll try to make a short list of everything that comes to mind:
Batteries need very rare materials like cobalt, nickel and lithium. Look up how cobalt is mined, it's not pretty at all.
The battery is basically 75% of the price of the car, and it also the most likely to reach its lifespan. Battery dead = buy a new car.
Those vehicles are very heavy, sometimes twice as normal cars. That means you need special tires that can support the extra weight, and they generally wear much faster.
Fully electrical vehicle can easily be stopped by a software or remotely. Basically, gives company or the government entire control of your movements.
The faster you recharge your vehicle, the less efficient it is. Simply because you put more energy in the wire, so a lot more is lost as heat instead. It can be as low as 66% efficiency, so be prepare to pay 50% more in electricity.
The current electrical network is simply not ready for this. You can't store it, so you must produce it constantly when needed. Would be fire if we could get more nuclear powerplant, but "green" energy has very low efficiency and raw power.
Tech is still far from ready. Even if they are still rare, many fires already happened with them. Paris had 2 buses burned down in a single month https://insideevs.com/news/583324/paris-suspends-149-bollore-electric-buses-after-two-fires/ . A few cargos were completely lost because a random EV caught fire instantly https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/01/massive-cargo-ship-carrying-electric-cars-sinks-in-atlantic-ocean-after-fire
When they burn down, they are incredibly hard, if not straight up impossible, to put out. You need to spend absurd amount of water to keep the fire under control https://ctif.org/news/150-000-liters-water-needed-put-out-fire-electric-car . As long as the battery is active and in contact with air, it will burn immediately. Good luck finding that amount of water in the middle of summer, when many areas restrict water usage.
Same is true for the diesel engine in a diesel truck at this point.
No they arent. Same weight as a equivalent luxury sedan
Go rip out your car's wiring harness
Cars have doors for a reason, if it sets on fire get out of it. It isnt fun to have an engine fire but I have survived... 4? without issue.
Sitting near a truck with a hose for a while isnt exactly that big of a deal when your car sets on fire.
Dude, diesel are among the longest lasting engine. From purely the stats, they last in average 8 times longer than EV batteries. It's actually one of thing that is the least likely to break in your diesel car.
Ah yes, compare EV weight to one of the heaviest model of cars, what a nice and fair comparison. Sedan in average are several hundred pounds heavier than the average car, so even if EV are similar to Sedan, then yes, they are much heavier than the average car. In average, EVs are about 30% heavier.
You realize electric vehicles are... electric, right? Which means it's fairly simple to protect them with various software and electronics to prevent the car from starting if it was modified, for instance? Can't remote control a purely mechanical system on the contrary.
Do you think my entire argument was about the safety of the person inside? I never even mentionned that at all in my entire message, where did you get that idea? Of course the person inside the EV can take safety, but that wasn't the point of my message. EV are extremely hard to extinguish, and because the tech is still not mastered, they can happen at any point.
So you completely ignored the rest of this argument, and basically think "It's fine, water is infinite". Maybe your local area is fine water-wise, but those are serious issues in many parts of the world, especially in summer. If every car can take fire randomly, and each demand the equivalement of a medium-sized pool, you're going to run into problems very fast.
If you're going to keep using such bad faith arguments, like finding the mostextremes of examples to prove your point while ignoring the average or not even reading the sentence fully, don't bother replying, cause I won't bother reading.
DEF systems would like to have a word with you
You are comparing a Tesla to a fucking moped
All cars are electric
A vindictive person at Tesla, or a gov't operative, can remotely turn anyone's car into a brick.
Not remotely.
Tesla elecTRICK cars,
however, are all GPS tracked and, since updates to the software is remotely downloaded, this same capability can turn your Tesla into a USELESS BRICK with the mere stroke of several keys on a computer keyboard.
Anyone including yours with a gas engine in it
Iowa is about as far north as Spain, you haven't experienced proper cold.
Spain is moderated by ocean currents, there isnt an ocean in Iowa.
Lithium ion batteries will not operate once the temperature gets low enough. If you want proof, put your iPhone in the freezer. It won't work.
Neither will diesel, that is why I run a block heater in the winter in Wyoming. Yet for some reason you think that you can't do that for an EV.
That's not green, plus a elecTRICK vehicle doesn't have a block.
Double Hah !
Go rip out your wiring harness so you no longer have an electric vehicle, and go unplug your fridge while you are at it
A gasoline car won't run at -40, an electric car won't run at 20°. That's the difference here.
Wrong
Imagine getting 6+ years of higher education, introducing yourself as "doctor" to everyone, and you still don't know that plants consume CO2, or that plants helped make petroleum in the first place.
Same doctor: "this vaxx is safe and effective"
If only it was like that. They plug these stupid things into the grid and bring everyone down with them.
Ackkk-chew-ably..
The wind blows a little more during the winter season (around here, Middle-of Nowhere, NH) it's the solar that's really diminishing. As the photoperiod gets shorter, so also the amount of electricity you can harvest from your PV array.
Still a good cartoon tho 👌
Average wind speed on my daddy's ranch is like 30mph, regardless of time of year. -40, 100 degrees, Wyoming has wind
Freeze to death, baby. Promblem solved.
unplug the generator inside the turbine and plug it into your car
Now you freeze.
Why take a side on EV vs Fossil Fuel? It's like choosing which CORPORATION you want to fuck you in the ass....
EV simps: reeeeeeeee
the windmills will come in real handy when Lord Humungus rules the wastelands. A perfect place to tie those who are less-than-enthusiastic with his regime
They are just blatantly robbing us tucking us up like a kipper plain and simple it's all a fucking blag
Haha, kipper, +1
👊👊
"Turn the power on and off again to reboot"
Don’t gas pumps run on electricity?
Don't try and bring any intelligence or nuance to this circle jerk...
And I'm gonna laugh and laugh
"Now go fuck yourself."
You should see the electric chargers stationed at my local Walmart. They run on gasoline/diesel generators running all day every day.