I've been pretty appalled that some of the MSM are telling people to fight with their families on Thanksgiving. If my family isn't going to treat me well over my thoroughly considered opinions, I'm going to have to stop going out there to see them. I'm not telling people to fight but that there are ways to deal with these things other than folding and I think that these may sometimes be sacrifices that are worth making.
So, to whoever reads this, have a blessed holiday season :)
I have agreed to disagree with two of my sons, but we agree that loving each other is more important than politics.
Where do you feel things went “wrong” with them? Do you think them becoming libtards could have been avoided? (Honest question.)
Maybe they are just young. Paraphrasing Churchill, If not Liberal wen young, you don't have a heart, but if not conservative hen older you don't have a brain.
This quote was a gross oversimplification young and old as it relates to liberal and conservative. I’ve never liked it because it does injustice to both.
Trump Acolyte below had more my experience. There was far less virtue signaling (I don't recall any) but I was more willing to give someone "down on their luck" the benefit of the doubt. Experience shows us that most people in the state consistently make choices to keep themselves there, and some of the compassion wears off.
Mother with 3 sons, all different political leanings answering, here. I have raised them to think independently. They have to work their way through this.
In this country, nobody agrees on everything. A rule of thumb is that, where 75% of the people agree on a point, we have a consensus. That still inevitably leaves 25% on the table.
There's nothing wrong with my kids, or my extended family, again a motley crew spanning the middle of the political spectrum. Nobody is hostile, we all love our country, and we all have different ideas about what to do about our many different issues.
News sources have a lot to do with differences in evaluating what to do next.
My kids have fine brains, and they are working through the process of developing adult minds. They will be more stable and capable if I respect them and their process.
As someone who was raised fairly conservative and got into the SJW nonsense for a while...sometimes parents don't make a mistake.
It is normal for kids to dissemble all their childhood beliefs as part of becoming an independent adult.
My parents gave me tools to deconstruct and analyze belief systems, and I would not consider myself an SJW any more. I voted for Trump and love the community that has sprung up around the MAGA theme.
I did, however, read enough Marx to be able to articulate arguments from the leftist perspective. This has come in very handy at times.
So it isn't even necessarily a bad thing to learn about social justice and institutional norms. Hell, I still agree with some of it, the Frankfurt School had strong words about western media. They identified a pattern a century ago that we here call "fake news." They understood what Edward Bernays did to our media, and what the purpose of the media is.
It's ok to disagree, and if someone decides they can't tolerate you because of politics, make sure they know family comes first and they are always welcome back. Make a point to reach out yearly and check in. People do come back to their senses. I did.
Family first.
Probably my little misadventure could have been avoided if my parents had actuay taught about Marxism at home. (I was homeschooled.) Preloading the belief matrix would have insulated me to some degree from the seductive arguments when I went away to college. Make no mistake, Marxism and its modern descendents are extremely seductive and sometimes there is not anything one can do but watch and support.
Good luck. When it comes time to teach my future children, they'll learn Marxism and capitalism and fascism, and the strengths of each, and how to destroy all of them.
Public school brain washing if I had to guess.
Not necessarily. I used to be a complete socialist. Or so I thought. I didn't pay attention to actual politics or what was actually happening. The left does a great job at scooping up all those types of people. When you have no responsibility, no bills, no kids, no job, just college, then it makes sense to you that the government should take care of everyone. You think believe that rich people are hoarding the wealth because it's easy and convenient. That's really it. The leftist way of thinking is always easiest.
You think "being mean to other people is bad. People being poor is bad. Being racist is bad" and of course the left, without a deep look, gives you the laziest path to what you think will address those issues.
They were raised right initially. Unfortunately, their mother married an intellectual atheist. While actually somewhat conservative as college instructors go, he systematically undermined their spiritual foundation.
My prayer is that when they are old, the foundation will be restored.
Jesus. I hope they'd be. If a father and son can't get along because of a difference in philosophy, there's no shot in Hell the country could ever get passed this rift.
Better yet, pray for their wake-up call.