In this case, law enforcement (boots) on the ground might be better as it would be important to separate the actual cartels members from those ordinary Mexicans that just work for them as a job because there is nothing else around (and often ends a up victims themselves). I once watched a video of a fifteen year old girl being executed by a cartel because she worked as a cook or something like that for a rival cartel. So, can't just bomb indiscriminately if it's done.
You're deluded bro. These are people who have mastered the art of smuggling drugs across land borders undetected. The obviously know about subterfuge.
You cant just fly out and bomb them into oblivion. Do not underestimate your enemies, or discredit their capabilities, ever.
The Mexicans did, and they took over their government and now the country is in their grip.
This would be a long and bloody campaign to uproot the cartels completely, and unlike Afghanistan, the people we are fucking up are entirely capable of striking back against american citizens, because they are already in our cities with criminal networks.
I think they are absolutely worth fighting, because they have grown far too powerful and influential, but it would not be without difficulties.
The Cartel bosses aren't keeping their identities a secret because they have no fear since they run the government. Just bomb a few hundred palatial estates wipe out all the bosses. Then middle management will take over but take their organizations underground, making it easier to wrestle governmental control away from them. Then we can fight the Cartels properly with law enforcement that isn't in their pockets.
Now they've taken over the avocado business. Which is a huge industry, and whether you scorn avocado toast eaters or not, it would hurt a lot of people to be wiping out the avocado orchards.
Archer? I miss those early seasons...you aren't yourself anymore. My Dad and his freakin' burger show are to blame...I friggin' know it! (Louise Belcher)
Didn't care for the noir one or the space one. First six seasons were the golden ones, IMO. I've been called an IRL Katya more than once, though I am Austrian heritage, not Russian.
Had a guy come up to me and say we should hook up because he looked like Barry from the show. I told him sorry, Barbie doesn't come with Ken, she comes with G.I. Joe, in my timeline. He didn't get it. Literally. ; P
These cartels will literally hold entire cities and towns as hostage. They will kill ruthlessly (innocent citizens of Mexico)... They have shown they have no problem doing this with Sinaloa.
We cannot simply go down there guns-a-blazing, they'll seriously fuck shit up down there, even if it just means killing innocents.
We need to carefully dissect the situation and go after the government officials.
Priority 1 is to lock up half the Mexican government, and turn their government around to be better equipped to handle the situation from within.
For them to be dust you'd have to invade Mexico, execute their corrupt government, institute martial law and close their borders for, like, a decade. ?
It would be one thing if the issue was an internal one to Mexico. And I am not even talking about the drugs. Cartels are sending men here, they are performing criminal acts here beyond selling drugs, people are getting killed, and if this problem is allowed to continue we may start seeing military type actions on this side of the border the way we see it happening on the other side.
If Mexico cannot clean up their country and their mess threatens us, I see no other option and I do not see how it is an unreasonable response.
Remember when the invading caravans all inundated Tijuana? I bet the local Tijuana mayor and police would LOVE us to take out the Cartels who do nothing for the city except make it unsafe.
No. I think Trump should use the policy approach. If you reschedule weed from schedule 1 to schedule 3, it would probably cut the gang's revenue by like 50%. It's something that needs to be done anyway.
It's unfortunate that classification of drugs does not fall under the White House. It falls to the DEA. Looks like we need a change of leadership there.
It wouldn't even be a war. The problem is, the cartels have their tentacles all throughout the Mexican government, and it would be difficult to do it without their support.
I'd like to make a decision based off of what our intelligence agencies know because if they should know ANYTHING it should be about the most immediate threat the cartels south of the border..
Shithole country status is not in doubt. I've said for years we will be at war with Mexico, really the Cartels but at this point it is the same thing. Btw enemy combatants and civilians are not refugees. If they enter then they are POW's and should be interned in camps until the end of hostilities.
Bomb the shit out of them: Yes
Boots on the ground: No
Our drones have great practice in large swaths of desert in shit countries.
I love this.
Send in THE CLONES!! I mean DRONES!!!
^ Seconded
I third the motion
I give a fourth, can we getta FIFF?
FIFF checking in!
I tend to agree
In this case, law enforcement (boots) on the ground might be better as it would be important to separate the actual cartels members from those ordinary Mexicans that just work for them as a job because there is nothing else around (and often ends a up victims themselves). I once watched a video of a fifteen year old girl being executed by a cartel because she worked as a cook or something like that for a rival cartel. So, can't just bomb indiscriminately if it's done.
Yes we can
You're just a pussy
You can't win a war against guerrillas with only airstrikes. It's simply not possible.
They operate out in the open down there, they aren’t hiding in caves. We could fuck them up beyond recognition in one fell swoop
Mexican Cartel Status 2021 : FUBAR
Like the 8th USAAF in March of 1945 : Nazi Germany is FUBAR
Too bad we cannot bomb California into submission and return them to the Union.
You're deluded bro. These are people who have mastered the art of smuggling drugs across land borders undetected. The obviously know about subterfuge.
You cant just fly out and bomb them into oblivion. Do not underestimate your enemies, or discredit their capabilities, ever.
The Mexicans did, and they took over their government and now the country is in their grip.
This would be a long and bloody campaign to uproot the cartels completely, and unlike Afghanistan, the people we are fucking up are entirely capable of striking back against american citizens, because they are already in our cities with criminal networks.
I think they are absolutely worth fighting, because they have grown far too powerful and influential, but it would not be without difficulties.
The longer the USA waits, the stronger the cartels will get.
we could literally wipe the entire country off the face of the earth if we wanted to
yeah, we could
then we would have 30 million mexicans crossing the border as refugees
You're saying it would cut Illegal immigration too.
Spicy sumbitch right there
The Cartel bosses aren't keeping their identities a secret because they have no fear since they run the government. Just bomb a few hundred palatial estates wipe out all the bosses. Then middle management will take over but take their organizations underground, making it easier to wrestle governmental control away from them. Then we can fight the Cartels properly with law enforcement that isn't in their pockets.
This would also kill their families.
Right, it could take nearly a week to finish them
I’m fine with special ops missions as well. Just don’t occupy
Wrong
A REAL war on drugs.This will choke off the massive cash supply of Democrats.
CIA would go bankrupt lol
They would have to be demolished before we attempt war on cartels. CIA = Traitors
I’m all for 3 letter agencies getting nixed
Slater! Is that you? Why is the CIA running cocaine into South Florida?
Archer? Your mother set the whole thing up. Her and her KGB boyfriend.
Archer : Goddamnit!!!
In this analogy, patriotic Americans are Sterling Archer, played the fool by the Clintons/DNC and the FBI/CIA, once again.
Now they've taken over the avocado business. Which is a huge industry, and whether you scorn avocado toast eaters or not, it would hurt a lot of people to be wiping out the avocado orchards.
Archer? I miss those early seasons...you aren't yourself anymore. My Dad and his freakin' burger show are to blame...I friggin' know it! (Louise Belcher)
benoit
Didn't care for the noir one or the space one. First six seasons were the golden ones, IMO. I've been called an IRL Katya more than once, though I am Austrian heritage, not Russian.
Had a guy come up to me and say we should hook up because he looked like Barry from the show. I told him sorry, Barbie doesn't come with Ken, she comes with G.I. Joe, in my timeline. He didn't get it. Literally. ; P
If the CIA was doing its job instead of trying to overthrow The Donald.
From Wikipedia: "The CIA has increasingly expanded its role, including covert paramilitary operations."
The wall must be completed first.
Yup. Or we will have a refugee crisis that cant be controlled.
And ask Mexico to pay for it!
Yes and bill them the wall!
This is a delicate situation.
These cartels will literally hold entire cities and towns as hostage. They will kill ruthlessly (innocent citizens of Mexico)... They have shown they have no problem doing this with Sinaloa.
We cannot simply go down there guns-a-blazing, they'll seriously fuck shit up down there, even if it just means killing innocents.
We need to carefully dissect the situation and go after the government officials.
Priority 1 is to lock up half the Mexican government, and turn their government around to be better equipped to handle the situation from within.
From the inside, out.
I wonder what the mexican elites want?
pragmatic truth
You sound like a Democrat.
Were you a Bernie Bro
For them to be dust you'd have to invade Mexico, execute their corrupt government, institute martial law and close their borders for, like, a decade. ?
Freeze all money sent back to Mexico from their citizens in the US until the Mexican government handles the problem they have been ignoring.
Yes.
It would be one thing if the issue was an internal one to Mexico. And I am not even talking about the drugs. Cartels are sending men here, they are performing criminal acts here beyond selling drugs, people are getting killed, and if this problem is allowed to continue we may start seeing military type actions on this side of the border the way we see it happening on the other side.
If Mexico cannot clean up their country and their mess threatens us, I see no other option and I do not see how it is an unreasonable response.
Worked well in clear and present danger until the politicians lost heart and betrayed the troops —- just sayin
Remember when the invading caravans all inundated Tijuana? I bet the local Tijuana mayor and police would LOVE us to take out the Cartels who do nothing for the city except make it unsafe.
We should just take Mexico.
If a military-style conflict begins, will Mexican citizens have the right to seek asylum in the US?
Only in California
I hope not
No. I think Trump should use the policy approach. If you reschedule weed from schedule 1 to schedule 3, it would probably cut the gang's revenue by like 50%. It's something that needs to be done anyway.
It's unfortunate that classification of drugs does not fall under the White House. It falls to the DEA. Looks like we need a change of leadership there.
Who the fuck cares. Just close the border, prosecute the fuck out of the remaining traffickers, and legalize the non-deadly shit.
yes, it would stifle the dems re-election chances/funding
Yes, but with aerial and space force tech, not with our human regular military.
SEALs and PJs to whack and extract? Hell yes.
Marines to hold ground, patrol the towns and police the countryside? Hell no!
Asset forfeiture.... Mexico gonna pay for that wall. (I'm not a fan of AF in general, but this is where it makes sense)
Bingo. Now, whoooose assets--I think they will be on this side of the border.
Yes.............terminate with extreme prejudice
Drone strikes baby, then send Mexico the bill for fixing their shithole.
Should just pull a Ghost Recon Wildlands and send in a team of SEALS,Rangers, Green Berets etc. as a guerilla warfare type thing.
Yes. Bomb them and everything they own.
It wouldn't even be a war. The problem is, the cartels have their tentacles all throughout the Mexican government, and it would be difficult to do it without their support.
Yes
No.
Before we apply the death penalty to selling or using cocaine in Mexico, we should apply it in America.
I'd like to make a decision based off of what our intelligence agencies know because if they should know ANYTHING it should be about the most immediate threat the cartels south of the border..
deport kthxbbai
Dude calm down. And tone down the racialist language a bit
He can't. He's an old fart unaccustomed to freedom of speech, and so he MUST make an ass of himself instead of doing anything positive with it.
Shithole country status is not in doubt. I've said for years we will be at war with Mexico, really the Cartels but at this point it is the same thing. Btw enemy combatants and civilians are not refugees. If they enter then they are POW's and should be interned in camps until the end of hostilities.
If you had used the obligatory /s the context might have survived.
You're not speaking to lefty Democrats here.