Snowden let everyone know the NSA was illegally wire tapping all of America and then he was forced to leave the country or end up in prison or worse. That's how I remember it anyway..
So do you support mass NSA spying on Americans the violation of our 4th amendment (unreasonable search)? I don't get it. It's a surveillance state and you're saying he was wrong to reveal it? If Snowden wasn't a real whistleblower, he'd be treated like Eric CIAmella or however you spell his name
Extent of NSA snooping, PRISM, XKeyscore etc were all hidden from public knowledge. Heck Clapper even lied about it under oath. Without Snowden we wouldn't have known about them.
From what I gather, he was a CIA asset protecting CIA interests, he worked for CIA and was literally trained as a SPY, in his own words. CIA is objectively corrupt and they have their own surveillance tools, why not leak those?
He has sacrificed any chance at a normal life or having a family to let Americans know what their government is doing in its secret dark corners. Sounds like a patriot and hero to me.
You know how you can tell that you are correct and MSNBC revisionism is a blatant lie? Because if "Snowden" had actually tried to "sell" those secrets to either Russia or China:
Someone a lot higher up the food chain (like Clinton or Kerry) would've been the ones doing it.
And, if Clinton was the one selling, nobody in Obama's anti-American regime would've outed her, since the secrets were damaging to the US.
And finally, Snowden's dead body would be reported as an "unfortunate suicide" or "botched robbery".
I'm really confused by this angle. This shit sounds like a psyop. Revisionist history. How is revealing the NSA surveillance state not a whistle blower? Bots on this already?
Don't be confused. It is a psyop and revisionism. The guy worked for the NSA and nothing indicates that he tried to sell the Intel. He tried to give it to a neutral 3rd party, which was Wikileaks. Obama tried to pressure anyone and everyone he tried to seek asylum with in order to 'get him', not protect him.
The reason that they're trying to frame this distinction now is to help that idiot Ciaramella since, the biggest criticism of his label of 'whistleblower' is that he didn't actually blow any whistles--he spied on Trump at the behest of Brennan & the CIA; he went straight to the most heavily-invested 3rd party imaginable--Schiff; and, the Dems are doing everything, including trampling 1st amendment rights, to protect him.
They're attempting to besmirch Snowden's actions by claiming his intel was up for sale, and he was shopping it around, which would've made him a mercenary traitor, not a legitimate whistleblower. The problem here, is that these morons would've been better served by not reminding the world about Snowden.
Totally agree. This sort of thing kind of crossed my mind. There's also a rumor (infowars) that there's an effort to get Assange extradited to the US so that he can be pardoned by Trump, and I'm betting that framing Snowden as a spy will help them keep Assange from being pardoned. They want to call non-whistleblowers spies and the spies the whistleblowers. Same ol' shit.
Ah! Excellent point regarding Assange!! I hadn't thought of that angle. This is why I love you pedes and I treasure this site: I'm surrounded by rightwing intellects, rather than than screeching leftist savages. Thank you.
The way I understand it is... CIA is objectively corrupt, NSA not so much... NSA was working on surveillance tools which would/could have indirectly picked up CIA corrupt operations ... Snowden worked for CIA for years and was trained as a spy (in his own words). Again, the CIA has a history of proven corruption, and then Snowden moves to the NSA? as a contractor? Shortly afterward he gains a conscious and leaks NSA surveillance tools that directly help/protect the CIA?
Sounds like a spy operation that was performed by a trained spy, what do you think?
I haven't listened to a ton of Snowden interviews. I did hear him talk for a while on Joe Rogan's podcast, and it was more interesting than I thought it would be. Your theory sounds legit. I miss the days of real whistleblowers, like Snowden, Assange, Chelsea Manning, Seth Rich, etc. It was a great time when whistleblowers had to run for their lives because they were 100% real, unlike Eric CIAremella
Snowden let everyone know the NSA was illegally wire tapping all of America and then he was forced to leave the country or end up in prison or worse. That's how I remember it anyway..
There might have been both good and bad outcomes but it is difficult to argue that his actions didn't redpill many about the mass surveillance.
So do you support mass NSA spying on Americans the violation of our 4th amendment (unreasonable search)? I don't get it. It's a surveillance state and you're saying he was wrong to reveal it? If Snowden wasn't a real whistleblower, he'd be treated like Eric CIAmella or however you spell his name
This is just an attempt at revisionism.
Extent of NSA snooping, PRISM, XKeyscore etc were all hidden from public knowledge. Heck Clapper even lied about it under oath. Without Snowden we wouldn't have known about them.
No one got killed or got in danger because of his actions. On the contrary everyone knows more now. Ditto with WikiLeaks and Vault7 revelations.
There was a reason he didn't share info with American journalists - NYT or WaPo. Both those orgs are compromised and now are part of deep state.
From what I gather, he was a CIA asset protecting CIA interests, he worked for CIA and was literally trained as a SPY, in his own words. CIA is objectively corrupt and they have their own surveillance tools, why not leak those?
Ghost edit: GO HAWKS!!!
He has sacrificed any chance at a normal life or having a family to let Americans know what their government is doing in its secret dark corners. Sounds like a patriot and hero to me.
You know how you can tell that you are correct and MSNBC revisionism is a blatant lie? Because if "Snowden" had actually tried to "sell" those secrets to either Russia or China:
Someone a lot higher up the food chain (like Clinton or Kerry) would've been the ones doing it.
And, if Clinton was the one selling, nobody in Obama's anti-American regime would've outed her, since the secrets were damaging to the US.
And finally, Snowden's dead body would be reported as an "unfortunate suicide" or "botched robbery".
He's a journalist, not a whistleblower. Seth Rich is a whistleblower.
Whistle blower my ass
I'm really confused by this angle. This shit sounds like a psyop. Revisionist history. How is revealing the NSA surveillance state not a whistle blower? Bots on this already?
Don't be confused. It is a psyop and revisionism. The guy worked for the NSA and nothing indicates that he tried to sell the Intel. He tried to give it to a neutral 3rd party, which was Wikileaks. Obama tried to pressure anyone and everyone he tried to seek asylum with in order to 'get him', not protect him.
The reason that they're trying to frame this distinction now is to help that idiot Ciaramella since, the biggest criticism of his label of 'whistleblower' is that he didn't actually blow any whistles--he spied on Trump at the behest of Brennan & the CIA; he went straight to the most heavily-invested 3rd party imaginable--Schiff; and, the Dems are doing everything, including trampling 1st amendment rights, to protect him.
They're attempting to besmirch Snowden's actions by claiming his intel was up for sale, and he was shopping it around, which would've made him a mercenary traitor, not a legitimate whistleblower. The problem here, is that these morons would've been better served by not reminding the world about Snowden.
Totally agree. This sort of thing kind of crossed my mind. There's also a rumor (infowars) that there's an effort to get Assange extradited to the US so that he can be pardoned by Trump, and I'm betting that framing Snowden as a spy will help them keep Assange from being pardoned. They want to call non-whistleblowers spies and the spies the whistleblowers. Same ol' shit.
Ah! Excellent point regarding Assange!! I hadn't thought of that angle. This is why I love you pedes and I treasure this site: I'm surrounded by rightwing intellects, rather than than screeching leftist savages. Thank you.
The way I understand it is... CIA is objectively corrupt, NSA not so much... NSA was working on surveillance tools which would/could have indirectly picked up CIA corrupt operations ... Snowden worked for CIA for years and was trained as a spy (in his own words). Again, the CIA has a history of proven corruption, and then Snowden moves to the NSA? as a contractor? Shortly afterward he gains a conscious and leaks NSA surveillance tools that directly help/protect the CIA?
Sounds like a spy operation that was performed by a trained spy, what do you think?
I haven't listened to a ton of Snowden interviews. I did hear him talk for a while on Joe Rogan's podcast, and it was more interesting than I thought it would be. Your theory sounds legit. I miss the days of real whistleblowers, like Snowden, Assange, Chelsea Manning, Seth Rich, etc. It was a great time when whistleblowers had to run for their lives because they were 100% real, unlike Eric CIAremella