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spkle 1 point ago +2 / -1

Like all religious texts, their extremities manifest through the eyes of their beholders.

So I don't particularly agree with this. I'm sure a more moderate islamist reads their texts differently than an ISIS one. As a grouo there are already 2 factions and they hate eachother. I believe the biggest offender is the Hadith. But I'm not an expert.

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Occam 2 points ago +2 / -0

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

This is a pretty good summary of violent verses. The site also has responses to some apologetics that take place when discussing and debating topics such as violence in Islam.

Point is, it’s very easy to actually read violence out of it because you have to basically make shit up in order to make it non-violent.

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spkle 1 point ago +1 / -0

These are awful verses. I don't think there's a similar call for violence in the Bible (or anything else for that matter).

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Occam 1 point ago +1 / -0

The Amalekites would disagree with you on that assumption that the Bible is free of violence.

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spkle 1 point ago +1 / -0

Had to look that up.

Seems like retribution to me.

Exodus 17:8–16 Samuel 30:1–2 Samuel 1:5–10

One of the great lies is that the Bible preaches to be meek. In fact, protecting yourself is a key notion and essential.

Let me clarify. When I say no call to violence, is no call to violence that I know of to force people to believe in God. Maybe ot has that, but I've never been very well versed in that.

FYI I'm an atheist. But I do respect the heritage that brought us here and the truths that lie within.

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MagicCarpetBurns 2 points ago +2 / -0

How are your sure though ?

"There is no Moderate, Only islam" -erdogan PM of turkey

The thing is, even the professed 'moderate' does NOT matter, at all. They have zero material effect on the perpetraitors of jihad.

The Majority in fact resent the adjective "moderate".

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spkle 1 point ago +1 / -0

Don't get me wrong, I have no idea if it is common for a muslim to be moderate. Lying is part of their philosophy, so you can never be sure.

That said, it could be a very small minority. But it would be a mistake to not recognize that minority for taking a step in the right direction.

Also, I'm very aware that even if they were the overwhelming majority, it wouldn't matter. Nazis were also a minority ...