Guys in the truck started firing, cops took the only cover available, they returned fire to kill the targets. Sucks but once the guys in the truck started firing, they guaranteed this outcome. Don't blame the cops for taking cover when you'd do the same shit. Don't blame the cops for returning fire when you'd do the same shit.
They literally used civilians as cover. I would not do the same thing. Follow with a helicopter and back off. If a civilian shot at the UPS truck and hit an officer on the other side would that be acceptable?
No, they used civilian vehicles as cover because that was the only cover available when the felons started firing. You'd do the same exact same shit. What do you expect, them to just stand in the middle of the road while some criminals drop lead on them?
If a civilian shot at a UPS truck they should be shot dead in return if the police are already on the scene, because they're a threat indistinguishable from another gunman.
The truck hit traffic, opened fire, and the felons caught hot lead as a result. It's messy business but it is what it is.
No, I would not do the same exact thing. What is their purpose for being there and involved? Is it to stop the criminals? Why? If the answer is to prevent them from hurting people then using civilians as cover doesn't make a whole lot of sense does it? If the purpose is to feel like you're in an action movie then I guess it makes sense. If the police were shooting to save their own lives then they could do the smart thing and back the fuck off and wait for them to run out of gas or move to a more secluded area. The only sensible reason for them pushing as aggressively as they did is that they wanted to swing their dicks around and get in on some action. Clearly civilian health was the lowest priority. Two innocent civilians dead, "it is what it is". If a civilian killed two bystanders after aggressively pursuing a criminal they would be in prison for life.
> If a civilian shot at a UPS truck they should be shot dead in return if the police are already on the scene, because they're a threat indistinguishable from another gunman.
That's a really fucked up viewpoint. Here I am stuck in traffic because police corraled dangerous criminals into a traffic jam that I'm in. Said criminals are shooting at me and my family because a cop is literally using me as fucking cover. I shoot back and I deserve to die. Fantastic dude! The point I'm trying to make is that police are not herd accountable for their actions when they're willing to destroy life and property to meet their goals. Catching a criminal is more important to police than saving a life. I know this because I'm a firefighter and while I'm not allowed to speed to an accident scene legally, a cop is allowed to speed to a report of someone stealing a candy bar. The legal system is geared towards letting police do whatever they want with no consequences and it's the most anti-MAGA thing there is.
Lol, thanks for making my point. In law enforcement's eyes we should just shut up and sit down and let them do what they want because they know best and if we disagree we deserve to "catch a bullet". If you draw fire to my car and my family then you deserve the bullet and I would be happy to be the one delivering it.
No, you need to get over yourself. You're saying that COPS should be allowed to kill innocent civilians in order to apprehend someone. That literally just happened. You're wrong, move on.
No, you need to get over yourself. You're saying that COPS should be allowed to kill innocent civilians in order to apprehend someone. That literally just happened. You're wrong, move on.
No, you need to get over yourself. You're saying that COPS should be allowed to kill innocent civilians in order to apprehend someone. That literally just happened. You're wrong, move on.
No, you need to get over yourself. You're saying that COPS should be allowed to kill innocent civilians in order to apprehend someone. That literally just happened. You're wrong, move on.
No, you need to get over yourself. You're saying that COPS should be allowed to kill innocent civilians in order to apprehend someone. That literally just happened. You're wrong, move on.
No, you need to get over yourself. You're saying that COPS should be allowed to kill innocent civilians in order to apprehend someone. That literally just happened. You're wrong, move on.
Agreed. There are good cops and even great cops but that doesn't mean that civilians shouldn't have the checks and balances in place to keep them in line with the will of the people. If we can just trust thew to do the right thing then why have laws at all? Just trust civilians to do the right thing then unless police and superior to civilians in some way. I get along well with local LEO really well but I know that if I piss one off then they can basically ruin my life. Judges fall into that category too. Any cop that has written a seatbelt ticket for a lone adult has no credibility IMHO, an example of absurd government overreach.
One video from one vantage point that does not include the beginning, the communications of the parties, or many other possible things/actions, does not give me all the facts. Good thing you're not really the judge, jury and executioner.
Right so if cops draw fire to my vehicle and put my life in danger then I don't care who shoots the cops, get me out of there. That's what you're saying right?
haha, cops have more in common with antifa than me. Human lives and justice don't matter as long as you get your way. I.e., catching a criminal is more important than civilian lives because it's a challenge to cop's authority and ego. Hence using civilians as cover to catch someone.
Human life is priority number 1. You can try to CNN paraphrase what I said but it doesn't change the truth. Your bosses (the ones why pay your paycheck and that you answer to, i.e. WE THE PEOPLE) are priority number 1, then catching the criminal. You'd rather 10 innocent men be put in prison than 1 guilty man go free. You're not a cop, you're a brownshirt.
Guys in the truck started firing, cops took the only cover available, they returned fire to kill the targets. Sucks but once the guys in the truck started firing, they guaranteed this outcome. Don't blame the cops for taking cover when you'd do the same shit. Don't blame the cops for returning fire when you'd do the same shit.
They literally used civilians as cover. I would not do the same thing. Follow with a helicopter and back off. If a civilian shot at the UPS truck and hit an officer on the other side would that be acceptable?
No, they used civilian vehicles as cover because that was the only cover available when the felons started firing. You'd do the same exact same shit. What do you expect, them to just stand in the middle of the road while some criminals drop lead on them?
If a civilian shot at a UPS truck they should be shot dead in return if the police are already on the scene, because they're a threat indistinguishable from another gunman.
The truck hit traffic, opened fire, and the felons caught hot lead as a result. It's messy business but it is what it is.
No, I would not do the same exact thing. What is their purpose for being there and involved? Is it to stop the criminals? Why? If the answer is to prevent them from hurting people then using civilians as cover doesn't make a whole lot of sense does it? If the purpose is to feel like you're in an action movie then I guess it makes sense. If the police were shooting to save their own lives then they could do the smart thing and back the fuck off and wait for them to run out of gas or move to a more secluded area. The only sensible reason for them pushing as aggressively as they did is that they wanted to swing their dicks around and get in on some action. Clearly civilian health was the lowest priority. Two innocent civilians dead, "it is what it is". If a civilian killed two bystanders after aggressively pursuing a criminal they would be in prison for life.
> If a civilian shot at a UPS truck they should be shot dead in return if the police are already on the scene, because they're a threat indistinguishable from another gunman.
That's a really fucked up viewpoint. Here I am stuck in traffic because police corraled dangerous criminals into a traffic jam that I'm in. Said criminals are shooting at me and my family because a cop is literally using me as fucking cover. I shoot back and I deserve to die. Fantastic dude! The point I'm trying to make is that police are not herd accountable for their actions when they're willing to destroy life and property to meet their goals. Catching a criminal is more important to police than saving a life. I know this because I'm a firefighter and while I'm not allowed to speed to an accident scene legally, a cop is allowed to speed to a report of someone stealing a candy bar. The legal system is geared towards letting police do whatever they want with no consequences and it's the most anti-MAGA thing there is.
Except that they had a hostage. You aren't thinking very well.
Sorry, wrong reply to...that guy above you.
how are you not blaming the criminals when you know they shot first. you sound like you just hate cops
> No, I would not do the same exact thing.
You're right, you'd sit there with your dick in your hand as armed robbers flee into rush hour traffic.
> That's a really fucked up viewpoint.
No it's not, if you're surrounded by cops and jump out of your car firing, you need to catch a bullet so your genes don't propagate.
Lol, thanks for making my point. In law enforcement's eyes we should just shut up and sit down and let them do what they want because they know best and if we disagree we deserve to "catch a bullet". If you draw fire to my car and my family then you deserve the bullet and I would be happy to be the one delivering it.
Yes, if there's a shootout and you draw a weapon around cops on edge you deserve a bullet.
Well if a cop pulls a gun when I'm on edge then they deserve a bullet.
I don't know. I wasn't there
I tend not to second-guess them in shooting situations
No, you need to get over yourself. You're saying that COPS should be allowed to kill innocent civilians in order to apprehend someone. That literally just happened. You're wrong, move on.
No, you need to get over yourself. You're saying that COPS should be allowed to kill innocent civilians in order to apprehend someone. That literally just happened. You're wrong, move on.
No, you need to get over yourself. You're saying that COPS should be allowed to kill innocent civilians in order to apprehend someone. That literally just happened. You're wrong, move on.
No, you need to get over yourself. You're saying that COPS should be allowed to kill innocent civilians in order to apprehend someone. That literally just happened. You're wrong, move on.
No, you need to get over yourself. You're saying that COPS should be allowed to kill innocent civilians in order to apprehend someone. That literally just happened. You're wrong, move on.
No, you need to get over yourself. You're saying that COPS should be allowed to kill innocent civilians in order to apprehend someone. That literally just happened. You're wrong, move on.
The police are one of the only things I disagree with the president on
The militarization, complete lack of accountability, and willingness of the police to enforce unjust and unconstitutional laws is unacceptable.
Agreed. There are good cops and even great cops but that doesn't mean that civilians shouldn't have the checks and balances in place to keep them in line with the will of the people. If we can just trust thew to do the right thing then why have laws at all? Just trust civilians to do the right thing then unless police and superior to civilians in some way. I get along well with local LEO really well but I know that if I piss one off then they can basically ruin my life. Judges fall into that category too. Any cop that has written a seatbelt ticket for a lone adult has no credibility IMHO, an example of absurd government overreach.
Anxious to jump the gun, are ya? How about we wait and get all the facts?
There's literally a video of the entire incident. Should we wait for CNN to tell us what the facts are instead of trusting our eyes?
One video from one vantage point that does not include the beginning, the communications of the parties, or many other possible things/actions, does not give me all the facts. Good thing you're not really the judge, jury and executioner.
So police should be judge jury and executioner? The simple act of evading them should warrant death? What kind of commie shit is that?
Right so if cops draw fire to my vehicle and put my life in danger then I don't care who shoots the cops, get me out of there. That's what you're saying right?
haha, cops have more in common with antifa than me. Human lives and justice don't matter as long as you get your way. I.e., catching a criminal is more important than civilian lives because it's a challenge to cop's authority and ego. Hence using civilians as cover to catch someone.
Human life is priority number 1. You can try to CNN paraphrase what I said but it doesn't change the truth. Your bosses (the ones why pay your paycheck and that you answer to, i.e. WE THE PEOPLE) are priority number 1, then catching the criminal. You'd rather 10 innocent men be put in prison than 1 guilty man go free. You're not a cop, you're a brownshirt.