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generalshermansballs 6 points ago +7 / -1

MLK would be shouted down by leftists today. He would be branded a race traitor and a Uncle Tom.

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TDAF 2 points ago +2 / -0

I judge a man by the content of his Kek.

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Crimson_Identity 1 point ago +2 / -1

Lincoln had no intention of abolishing slavery, and was an open racist.

His First Inaugural Address - "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." https://www.bartleby.com/124/pres31.html

Also Lincoln in the Fourth Debate against Douglas - "I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." https://www.nps.gov/liho/learn/historyculture/debate4.htm

Does this mean he wasn't a hero? I believe this is more of a personal question at this point, based on what propaganda and knowledge one has about Lincoln.

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Crimson_Identity -1 points ago +1 / -2

"You might want to learn a few lessons from President Trump on how to negotiate, because you're sucking bad at selling your position."

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sloppyjobmossad -3 points ago +3 / -6

Lincoln was a despotic tyrant and unconstitutional dictator.

He arrested Maryland legislators to prevent them from voting on secession

Provoked the South to fire on Ft. Sumter by sending an armada of eleven ships to invade Charleston Harbor while Seward was telling the South they would evacuate Ft. Sumter

Illegally raised an army to invade Virginia, caused North Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas and Virginia to secede (after they had voted to stay in the Union) after Lincoln called for troops and war

He shut down at least 300 Northern newspapers calling for peace and opposing his war polices

He endorsed his army waging total war against civilians by burning cities, churches, schools

He imprisoned 10,000 Northerners without due process of law.

It was never about slavery, Lincoln simply used this excuse as a weapon for war.

Even Jefferson David knew slavery was coming to an end. He proposed that slaves be freed, but before he would support it they would need to be educated and given some way to survive in their new found freedom.

Lincoln was as racist as any slave owner as can be easily demonstrated by reading his debate records. He was a proponent of relocating blacks to other parts of the world (Liberia)

His Emancipation did not free any of the 450,000 slaves in Border or Northern states or in New Orleans, Tennessee or Norfolk, Virginia under the control of Federal armies

Lincoln's strategy to wage war to address the peaceful secession of the Southern states killed 850,000 soldiers and 50,000 CIVILIANS caught in the horror.

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kono_hito_wa 2 points ago +2 / -0

I see a fellow "The Real Lincoln" reader. :)

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sloppyjobmossad 0 points ago +3 / -3

not being a tyrant because of a memorial is a retard tier argument. Stalin has plenty of memorials.

Explain why Abraham “Habeas Whatus?” Lincoln was not a tyrant

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sloppyjobmossad -1 points ago +2 / -3

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tyrant

Definition of tyrant

-an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution

-a usurper of sovereignty

-a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressively or brutally

-one resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority or power

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That’s literally Lincoln to a T

Again, actually explain how Lincoln was not a tyrant

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