National Guard Will not comply with Virginia governor order to confiscate guns or Arrest Cops ! Looks like Northam May have a Check Mate ! ?
(www.lawenforcementtoday.com)
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These Democrats better realize our Military is not their personal police force. They are going to fuck around and find out the Military hates them and is just waiting to use some training to nuke their Commie asses.
I got you.
I'm voting for you as a proxy to voting for op twice
This is a great point. I also believe that the NG, although officially remaining PC with their statements concerning the rumors, knows that fighting goes both ways. Bullets sent at your head by men in jeans and sneakers can kill you just the same.
They'd better realize that America isn't their personal playground/litter box.
I have a friend who is a retired army lieutenant colonel asked why I needed an AR15 and what would an AR15 do against his military and their equipment. My response to him was "who's going to be driving and flying that equipment when 80+% of the military is on my side"? He looked at me like he never even considered that option.
I would also point out that no American on either side is going to stand for an AMERICAN Abrams tank just strolling down an American street.
You wanna unite the country do some stupid thing like try to use the armed forces on American soil.
Hmm! I may be wrong, some one check for me, but did we not use tanks at Waco, or some such place? And I recall tanks being used during the Anti War Protests of the 1960's Nothing got united.
Having lived thru the Era you write of; I agree they were mad &tc., but not united. Let me hoe thru my memory. The Black Panthers, The Black Communist Party, and perhaps a dozen more. They did not get what they wanted, in circa 1960, a Black HomeLand in America. Instead, they got Integration, at the point of a National Guard Bayonet
They did, as Koresh had stated that he had weapons capable of destroying unarmored vehicles and Bradleys. Nevermind the meme that is Waco and how ridiculous it is to compare that to the current issue.
http://davekopel.org/Waco/LawRev/CanSoldiersBePeaceOfficers.htm#fnb99
Weren't military vehicles in waco.
Tanks vs. Killdozers would be pretty fun to watch tho
The 'fighting' is not mean to win, its meant to increase business for the military suppliers.
Lol yeah that was one of my points as well
We never even needed boots on the ground to win any war in the middle east, but we follow some bullshit rules of engagement coupled with 'hearts and minds' campaigns that it hamstrings our full war footing potential.
No shit.
Smartest, quickest, cheapest, safest way for our troops is: to totally demolish the enemy with no concern whatsoever for "collateral damage" or any of that bullshit. You show the enemy that you are crazy, you mean business, and all niceties and caring and humanity and love for the innocent are safely hidden away under lock and key right now.
If they think you CARE, they will be emboldened and take advantage. Once they know you don't give a fuck and will wantonly erase them with fire, once you show them unambiguously who is boss, that's when they get scared and start listening to the boss.
Then, once unconditional surrender is achieved among those still living (say, in about two weeks), we use a tiny fraction of the money we would have spent on playing footsie for 20 years to rebuild them a little and help them see the light of not fucking with us ever again, or they'll get fucking annihilated again.
NEVER ENGAGE IN A FAIR FIGHT.
INSTEAD GO IN WITH OVERWHELMING, TOTALLY UNFAIR ADVANTAGE, AND USE IT TO COMPLETELY MELT THE ENEMY AND THEIR HARDWARE AND INFRASTRUCTURE, AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. JUST OBLITERATE AND GET THE FUCK OUT.
Yup. I'm all for dropping absurd amounts of leaflets informing the population of EXACTLY what is going to happen if they do not redress their government.
When they don't, start vaporizing one city per week and dropping more leaflets on the next cities telling them of what's happening and which city was just vaporized. It won't take long till their military realizes if they don't turn on their government then all their loved ones are next.
When they realize they will be vaporized and there is literally nothing they can do about it to save their lives and the lives of their loved ones other then turn on their government it turns into a great motivator to turn on their government.
It would cost far fewer lives overall to vaporize a medium city or two then to start a long drawn out ground war that's going to see those cities shelled into husks with mass deaths anyway. At least being vaporized by a nuke is far faster a death then being firebombed and burning to death or starved to death.
Carpet bombing diplomacy
And a war we could win, IF we had the political leadership. "Nuke them all, Let God sort them out" That worked for Japan circa 1945
Japan was well on it's way to losing even before the bombs were dropped. We burnt Tokyo to the ground with simple incendiary munitions.
Helps that Trump just gave them all raises! They know who butters the bread!
No question
He knows very well what it is. He's probably been fighting AKs in Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years
If the military is forced into using armoured vehicles, the battle's already lost. Guns and stuff are meant to force the establishments' hand into a lose/lose. Even if the military is called in, it's a Pyrrhic victory at best. Either the people get their victory, or all isburnt until all there's left to claim is a kingdom of ash.
LIke that's a bad thing :)
Exactly.
Former army, I have envisioned exactly how the conversation would go with my first line leaders. Mostly, a lot of us like minded people giving each other the “fuck this shit” look, then a private conversation on how to make “fuck this shit” a reality.
Problem is, not everyone thinks like us and order would break down quick
The Guard cannot legally disarm us, only idiot leftist politicians think that is a Thing.
Idk about that. Remember Hurricane Katrina? The guard sized a bunch of law abiding citizens guns because of the Patriot Act.
Patriot Act.
For this alone Obummer should be in prison.
Bush passed it 2 weeks after 9/11.
Yes but it expired under Obama and he re-upped it. With the Republicunts help of course.
They just re upped it again
It's truly astounding at how many folks even here seem to willfully ignore context.
Do you have evidence that it was "the guard", or was it local LE? You know, actual evidence? Not "I had this buddy and he said" or "eyewitnesses said" or whatever.
Some faggot on the reddit T_D tried this same argument and could only produce a 2 minute video where "the guard" was shown doing nothing but moving tree limbs and walking around. All the people entering houses were cops, and no evidence of gun confiscation was even in the video to begin with.
Did you notice the name of the author of this article? Sgt A. Murica.. Sounds legit to me
It was the guard with what little law enforcement stuck around. I remember because I lived around Nola for about a decade.
Get back to me when anecdotes count as actual evidence.
We got video evidence or orders floating around?
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080905102157AA6bzOM take the link for what its worth. This was the top hit on duckduckgo
It's worth less than a turd in a windstorm. No video evidence of NG entering houses legally occupied by the residents to confiscate guns, no orders to do so, nothing but nutless "But I heard" or "But I saw" Eric "Hearsay" Ciaramella bullshit.
Well, you can read the NRA's take on it: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150821/a-decade-later-remember-new-orleans-gun-confiscation-can-and-has-happened-in-america
Notice how the NRA seems to paint a different picture than what you're claiming? The article doesn't even reference the National Guard at all. The article makes explicit reference to local PD and Federal agents, not NG.
I'm still waiting on folks to show me where the cops started confiscating guns in CT and NY after both states passed their "assault weapon" registration laws after Sandy Hook.
First of all, I didn't fucking "claim" anything. I just did a couple google searchs and posted links. Take the fucking stick out of your ass over it or take a chill pill. Jesus Christ. Quit being such an insufferable cunt.
The old lady who was beat up (dislocated shoulder, two broken bones) in the post-Katrina video was savaged by CHiPs. They imported cops from out of state to disarm people.
Using the military AGAINST domestic law enforcement in order to strip away a constitutional right.
What could possibly go wrong?
Afghanistan 2.0: The Virginia Monologues
Our trained, PROFESSIONAL military can't root out some rock dwellers in the absolute shithole that is Afghanistan - they've been trying for damned near two decades. Do they really think that a handful of soyboy leftist weekend-warriors are going to root-out patriotic Virginians from the forests?
c'mon... first gun-shot in their general direction, they'll blow out their undies in panic.
Only because the military is hamstrung by pointless ROE. We fought a similar campaign against the Japanese, only that time we were allowed to use flamethrowers on their cave complexes and bomb entire cities.
Such actions wouldn't be HURP DERP AFGHANISTAN 2.0" because it likely wouldn't even happen in the first place.
My fine Representative in Congress:
> Furthermore, Gerry ["Fat Cat"] Connolly said:
> “I would hope they either resign in good conscience, because they cannot uphold the law which they are sworn to uphold, or they’re prosecuted for failure to fulfill their oath. The law is the law. If that becomes the law, you don’t have a choice, not if you’re a sworn officer of the law.”
He hopes Guardsmen will resign so that Democrats can replace them with MS-13 thugs who will do what they demand.
"Oh, look... new guns!"
I think he was implying that the sheriffs and other lawmen should resign, but conveniently overlooking the fact that THE U.S. CONSTITUTION IS THE HIGHEST LAW OF THE LAND.
Yup, and aren't they sworn in to PROTECT THE U.S. CONSTITUTION?!
Isn't this treason, perjury, or some other high crime? Can we get some lawyers together?
yeah, no. They didn't swear an oath to "uphold the law", they swore an oath to "defend and protect the Constitution".
Someone needs to take him into custody and send him to Gitmo
I suppose that would work
and I will obey the LAWFUL orders.
That word LAWFUL could be a bitch.
Stay strong, America depends on you. Legal militia is the soul of this country. Shall not be infringed
And yet, Virginia will still vote Democrat.
But that's the problem. Rural Virginians get no representation in state general elections. It's the urban population centers that outvote everybody else every time.
Don't forget Arlington, Alexandria, Loudoun and now Prince William. All densely populated liberal strongholds
Neutron bombs.
Can only hope for the plague to come around. Medieval diseases are already starting to make a return in places like CA.
Not Virginians, locusts.
And those blue urban silos are holding the entire rest of the state hostage.
Praise God
If liberals infiltrates the military like they have the news media or academia, this country would be doomed.
They are there, not in very big numbers but there are definitely a few misguided leftists that disregarded the oath of enlistment when they spoke it.
Pretty much every survey conducted about the political leanings of military members show conservatives/Republicans have a 2:1 presence over liberals/Democrats. Even then, I'd wager a lot of "conservatives" aren't exactly the survey taking type when it comes to questions involving politics, money, and property.
Probably a litmus test to start civil war...sorry most police, fire, military, and legal gun owners support the president or at least won’t turn on their countrymen for a bad and unconstitutional reason. Test failed and hopefully VA voters who did not vote republican will learn a lesson.
Do you want an entire National Guard armory emptied of weapons and equipment that will disappear among the local population? Because that's that's the kind of thing that makes it happen.
I fear that these gun confiscation laws are playing out exactly as planned. Unrest will spread in Virginia and once the first shots have been fired there will be a "random" armed incident in or near DC, resulting in marital law being declared. With "rioting" in the streets it will provide the perfect cover for a full blown coup of the US government.
For the Virginian government to openly announce that it plans to engage and disarm it's citizens, it has sought a corse of action that is quite frankly suicidal. US citizens are the most heavy armed population in the world. The US has a volunteer military and civil law enforcement agencies not a conscripted army or secret police (not sure on the last point).
If this growing issue in Virginia is any indicator of the insanity that is to come, leading up to the relocation of President Trump, may God have mercy on us.
When Tyranny Becomes Law Rebellion is Duty!
I guess the gov of VA has forgotten about Nuremberg.
Step 1: Arrest the cops...
Step 2: Make MS-13 gangs and Black Lives Matter groups the new law reinforcement...
Sounds like Virginia needs to recall it's governor!
Start some shit Virginia and Americans will be headed your way locked and loaded and ready to protect.
Imagine if...
Governor: “arrest them all and take their guns!” National Guard: surrounds governor’s office Governor: :o
I was in the National Guard.
A soldier can refuse an unlawful order. If this situation happens, most probably will.
The soldiers also swore to uphold and defend The Constitution. Most probably will.
The national guard is typically not issued live rounds during crises, after the Kent State shootings in the 1960s. I don't think the remaining soldiers would want to go around disarming the populace while unarmed themselves.
> hand over your guns!
People: "nah brah"
> okay, the police will take your guns!
Police: "nah brah"
> okay, the national guard will take your guns!
National Guard: "nah brah"
Stand Your Ground
Don't know if this was mentioned, but if the NG is called out, POTUS is their commander. They will be stood down immediately.
When the politicians wanted to call the Soviet military out on civilians, their military stood down.
There was this great picture of a babushka telling off a young soldier, presumably letting him know that his duty was NOT to shoot his countrymen.
Maybe they could give him a ride out of town....
For orders to be lawful they have to be legal. Its that simple.
Not good enough. Signing it should result in the National Guard matching on Richmond and protecting the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic, like they pledged.
I’m reading this article as the sentiment of one member of the National Guard. Not the official position of the Guard. Is that correct?