Hello folks. You guys know me but I'm here anonymously today because I mostly need to vent about the severe TDS my adult daughter has. I will be calling her Sparky for reasons. For background info, she has a diagnosed personality disorder that makes her very susceptible to being influenced by groups. She spent the majority of her teenage years online talking to the wide range of well, seriously messed up people, online. I was single and had to work to support us so she spent her afternoons online at home. She is brilliant. She passed her SATs without even studying and received a near perfect score. But she lacks the common sense God gave a brick. Her mental issues began to materialize in her teen years and it was tumultuous for us both. At any rate, she is a functioning adult now, in a great career and she is going to therapy on a regular basis. All that said...
In 2016 she practically disowned me because I voted for Trump. Not just me but all her family except her grandparents who pretty much just give in to her every whim, as grandparents are want to do. At Christmas last year I happened to be in the bathroom of my mother's room with my other daughter and Sparky didn't know I was in there. I overheard her telling her grandmother that once grandmother and grandfather died she probably wouldn't have anything else to do with this family. I poked my head around the corner to let her know I was in there and heard that.
Fast forward to throughout this year and now. I've remained in touch with her because she is my kid. I'm her parent. I will not walk away from my family. I've visited her a few times this year, took her out to eat for her bday, just continued to be in her life. Yesterday we got together because I was going to her town for shopping and I wanted to stop by to visit. Here's what prompted today's post.
In the course of our visit we were just having casual conversation and talking about her illness, treatments, etc. Talking about our shared history and shared problems. She says she is still trying to decide how she plans to proceedwith her family and what kind of relationship she wants to have with us. I asked what do you mean. She said it depends on what happens next year. I said, do you mean if Trump is re-elected? she said yes. She said she cannot, in good conscience continue to have relationships with people who support such an evil person.
I calmly asked her to please explain to me how her life or the life of anyone she knows has gotten worse since he became President. Her life has gotten better, however, they were not able to hire a certain person at work because the H1B1 visa program changed. I replied, yes, now an American gets that job. Americans need jobs too. She did not even know that person. He was in India. She got quiet. She said Trump's a criminal, he's on tape admitting it. I asked what crime he committed. She pulls up the infamous pussy grabbing recording to which I said the key words there are "they let him do it". She called it assault. I said not when you let a guy grab you. They let him do it. They liked it.
By now she's in tears. She is saying he's impeached and I said no, he's not until the majority speaker sends the articles to the senate which they haven't done yet for some reason. Sparky says, yeah, because the senate is going to automatically throw it out. There was some discussion where she claimed that Trump was bribing Ukraine and threatening them and I told her no. I read the transcript, he did not threaten them but Joe Biden is on video admitting he did. I can show you the video if you want.
By then she was about to have a break down. I could tell she was doing all she could to not start screaming at me and I said, let's please not talk about this anymore. I just want to tell you that I think it's sad that you would walk away from your whole family because of who we vote to be President which is every American citizen's right to do. It's a sad, sad day.
I'm angry at democrats, media and the other institutions that have brainwashed my daughter to this point. It is an absolutely disgusting thing that has happened. I pray they get their just rewards but I fear their indoctrination has taken my daughter away from me forever because I will not be emotionally blackmailed into giving up one of my most fundamental rights.
Comments, advice or just memes to make me laugh are welcome and encouraged.
Hello folks. You guys know me but I'm here anonymously today because I mostly need to vent about the severe TDS my adult daughter has. I will be calling her Sparky for reasons. For background info, she has a diagnosed personality disorder that makes her very susceptible to being influenced by groups. She spent the majority of her teenage years online talking to the wide range of well, seriously messed up people, online. I was single and had to work to support us so she spent her afternoons online at home. She is brilliant. She passed her SATs without even studying and received a near perfect score. But she lacks the common sense God gave a brick. Her mental issues began to materialize in her teen years and it was tumultuous for us both. At any rate, she is a functioning adult now, in a great career and she is going to therapy on a regular basis. All that said...
In 2016 she practically disowned me because I voted for Trump. Not just me but all her family except her grandparents who pretty much just give in to her every whim, as grandparents are want to do. At Christmas last year I happened to be in the bathroom of my mother's room with my other daughter and Sparky didn't know I was in there. I overheard her telling her grandmother that once grandmother and grandfather died she probably wouldn't have anything else to do with this family. I poked my head around the corner to let her know I was in there and heard that.
Fast forward to throughout this year and now. I've remained in touch with her because she is my kid. I'm her parent. I will not walk away from my family. I've visited her a few times this year, took her out to eat for her bday, just continued to be in her life. Yesterday we got together because I was going to her town for shopping and I wanted to stop by to visit. Here's what prompted today's post.
In the course of our visit we were just having casual conversation and talking about her illness, treatments, etc. Talking about our shared history and shared problems. She says she is still trying to decide how she plans to proceedwith her family and what kind of relationship she wants to have with us. I asked what do you mean. She said it depends on what happens next year. I said, do you mean if Trump is re-elected? she said yes. She said she cannot, in good conscience continue to have relationships with people who support such an evil person.
I calmly asked her to please explain to me how her life or the life of anyone she knows has gotten worse since he became President. Her life has gotten better, however, they were not able to hire a certain person at work because the H1B1 visa program changed. I replied, yes, now an American gets that job. Americans need jobs too. She did not even know that person. He was in India. She got quiet. She said Trump's a criminal, he's on tape admitting it. I asked what crime he committed. She pulls up the infamous pussy grabbing recording to which I said the key words there are "they let him do it". She called it assault. I said not when you let a guy grab you. They let him do it. They liked it.
By now she's in tears. She is saying he's impeached and I said no, he's not until the majority speaker sends the articles to the senate which they haven't done yet for some reason. Sparky says, yeah, because the senate is going to automatically throw it out. There was some discussion where she claimed that Trump was bribing Ukraine and threatening them and I told her no. I read the transcript, he did not threaten them but Joe Biden is on video admitting he did. I can show you the video if you want.
By then she was about to have a break down. I could tell she was doing all she could to not start screaming at me and I said, let's please not talk about this anymore. I just want to tell you that I think it's sad that you would walk away from your whole family because of who we vote to be President which is every American citizen's right to do. It's a sad, sad day.
I'm angry at democrats, media and the other institutions that have brainwashed my daughter to this point. It is an absolutely disgusting thing that has happened. I pray they get their just rewards but I fear their indoctrination has taken my daughter away from me forever because I will not be emotionally blackmailed into giving up one of my most fundamental rights.
Comments, advice or just memes to make me laugh are welcome and encouraged.
In my home, I've lost my 1st Amendment rights. You have "Sparky"; I have Stage 5 Code Red "Sweetiepie", the wife. She sobbed for 3 days after the election. She's only gotten worse in 3 years. I'm lucky, I travel for work. I plan my road trips around Trump rallies. So I can enjoy them in a hotel with the sound up and a six pack. Tonight, a New Jersey holiday party. Union members, college students, all despise DJT. I'm outnumbered about 12 to 1 tonight.
Ugh! I can't imagine having to go through that. My wife's always reading The_Donald and it's almost a competition on who is further ahead sorted by new.
But I do have sympathy for people with TDS,. just like other mental illnesses they have limited control over it...
If your wife doesn't support you to this degree, you made a mistake that TDS has only made clearer.
Seek therapy to address that and/or a new wife.
Ditching your spouse for political beliefs is not a good idea. The left wants to destroy and break up families. Don't let them win.
If there's already leftist cancer set in to your partner, get the fuck away if you can't fix it, or you'll end up like that father in texas with the vengeful ex trying to transition his child.
Do you think it's better to have someone with leftist cancer as your ex wife? Especially if you have children which she can then use to further hurt you? That's a terrible option. Stay married and pray that she comes to her senses when she gets a bit older and sees that Trump wasn't the disaster everyone said he would be.
If you've already got kids, do your best to get full custody. Any contact with that kind of cancer is a risk that can destroy them.
What do you think are your odds of getting full custody as the father? When the odds are stacked against you, don't gamble, especially when it comes to your own children. They certainly won't benefit from a divorce, no matter how deranged the wife is.
New wife, k thx. First question I asked my now fiancé: did you vote for Obama?
Really sorry to hear that. Please watch this when you have about 10.5 minutes. THIS video is what red-pilled me, opened my eyes to my naivete and made me do a 180 turn around. I recommend it because it's not overtly political, so it's non-threatening. However, an astute person should be able to put 2 + 2 together and see how it relataes to a lot of things going on in media and politics.
It's a Ted Talk given by Sharyl Attkisson, a very credible, intelligent and pleasant woman who was an executive producer at CBS for 18 years. She has some very helpful and eye opening things to say. Good luck. I hope it helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU
Inspiring.
We are the yeast in the dough spread out to raise the whole of it.
Keep going and never ever give up.
Holy shit dude,
TDS ruins peoples lives. Sorry to here this is how you have to live yours!
If you're thankful that you travel for work, and seem to prefer being away from "Sweetiepie", maybe you need to rethink your arrangement. Not trying to be an asshole, I'm speaking from experience.
No, that's the difference between us and them. We don't just give up.
Let them give up.
thanks for making me laugh
I'm glad you like to laugh at your predicament. Here is The Snowflake Song on YouTube by the Gringo that explains a lot. The snowflakes at YouTube do not like or want you to hear this song, so they have set it up that the song opens at the end instead of a the start. Be ready to immediately bring it back to the start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=141&v=kM_LLxWxLRA
Try this link. It will start at the beginning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM_LLxWxLRA
I just removed the "time_continue=141&" which youtube adds if you are watching the video at another site and then click the "YouTube" in the lower right of the embedded video. It's meant so that you can continue watching it on YouTube right at the part you were watching on the linking site without having to manually fast forward to where you were.
Also, if you right click the video on YouTube you can choose either "Copy video URL" which will not include the time offset, or "Copy video URL at current time" which WILL include a time offset (albeit a different parameter "t" instead of "time_continue" since they are 2 slightly different scenarios).
Hopefully that helps. :)
Thank you, Jim, for explaining that to me. I thought evil Google had done it intentionally. KAG!
I'd have assumed the same thing. They are definitely up to some shady crap. I was trying to find the OAN Chanel Rion Ukraine videos and for the life of me I could not find the ones I was looking for via search... We've got to get people to jump ship to less biased platforms.
My advice is pretty simplistic but this is what I would do. Find a hobby you can do together that is outside of anything internet or politics related.
I do Brazillian Jiu Jitsu with my son. Its physical, teaches us both life skills, coping skills, problem solving skills, gives us exercise and there is a wide range of different people on the mat every day where we're all just equal and nothing but Jiu Jitsu matters.
I roll with a hippy dude all the time who I'm sure has TDS of his own, but it never comes up in the gym, we just smile and have a good time. If the topic came up we'd dismiss it and go back to rolling because at the end of the day it doesn't matter. You vote one day a year in most cases. There are 364 other days to do other things.
I'm not saying go do BJJ with your daughter, though I think it would be a seriously good idea. But find something to do together where you can just be family again. As great as the internet is for some things, it's also been one of the worst things invented for healthy social interaction.
I can think of one thing that she has strong interest in right now that I could try to start learning about and share with her and I'm willing to do it. But she pretty much stated that if Trump is re-elected she no longer wants a relationship with me. I'm already hurt and I can't imagine how I will feel if I spend the next year or so learning this hobby of hers and sharing it with her, getting closer to her and then when he's re-elected her writing me off. Also, I never bring this stuff up, she is the one that brings it up. Yesterday was her way of warning me what is coming after the election.
Well thats on her. You can casually ask her how she expects you to respond. My take and the approach I go with as a default is their right to swing their arm ends at the tip of my nose. I don't respond well to threats so if someone threatens me I cut to the chase and handle it quickly and harshly. If you're supporting her in someway then I would end that now and explain it that you will not allow the family to be held hostage by her tantrums. If she continues down that path then it is her decision and not yours.
Cult behavior, maybe send her the wiki article on how cults make you cut ties with your family
I think what I need to do is research cult behavior and how to slowly break someone free from cult like conditioning. I've tried our standard red pilling techniques but this does not work with her at all. She just completely shuts down. It's almost as if her mind is about to shatter if I am able to show her one more logical error or her own confirmation bias.
Sending her the info would get me shut out of her life immediately, that I can predict.
How involved is she on social media? If she plans to break from the family, will she be posting about it? Would she do it if social media was not an aspect of the process?
I have a sister that is very much in the same way. We are from California and she moved to New York over 20 years ago.
I don't get on Facebook much but when I do it's just her going to anti Trump rallies and posting anti Trump rants. Its actually sad how much time, energy, and sanity she invests in anti Trump activities.
I've told her that it's ok for her to have her believes. She lives in a world completely different from mine - actors, activists, and SJW's. But I've also told her just as I can't comprehend her world, she can't comprehend mine, and she needs to respect that.
She has already lost one family member to the way she treated him, but for my mom's sake I still will talk to her.
Is Alyssa Milano your sister?
Now, more than ever, She Needs Charles in Charge of Her.
Wrong show, she was on Who's the Boss. Someone should tell her its DJT
omg, you're right.. how could I confuse Scott Baio with Tony Danza. jesus, too much day-drinking....
Really sorry to hear that. Please watch this when you have about 10.5 minutes. THIS video is what red-pilled me, opened my eyes to my naivete and made me do a 180 turn around. I recommend it because it's not overtly political, so it's non-threatening. However, an astute person should be able to put 2 + 2 together and see how it relataes to a lot of things going on in media and politics.
It's a Ted Talk given by Sharyl Attkisson, a very credible, intelligent and pleasant woman who was an executive producer at CBS for 18 years. She has some very helpful and eye opening things to say. Good luck. I hope it helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU
Sorry to hear about this. Honestly I have to keep a pulse on my child's understanding of reality all the time and course-correct any stupid/incorrect/left-learning BS that they happen to come in contact with. It's a full-time job but that's what being 'raised right' means. The mental assault from the educational system and the media is massive, and I keep saying 'think for yourself' all the time just to get them to question all the BS and make up their own damn minds about things without peer pressure, media influence and incompetent teachers trying to sway them one way or another.
That was actually a big part of what encouraged me down that hole: no one bothering to ever even try to counter. People forget that so much of this crap, especially with the young, is just rebellion. Well, what if no one cares? Then you rebel harder, and harder, and harder just waiting for any push back because that's what this is really about.
Also worth noting, in between that and growing up, I managed to convince a good portion of my family that was left-leaning to embrace socialism, which I battle with today. Perhaps if the older generations hadn't been so quick to mumble "that's interesting..." while ignoring the larger conversation, I wouldn't have had such an easy time of it.
Im tge same way with my kids.
In this day and time we must make the hard choices to have uncomfortable conversations with our kids. Otherwise someone else will have those conversations with them.
I just force mine to listen to Alex Jones while we eat dinner ?
Honey, we were lied to by the same people pitching impeachment into invading Iraq after 9/11 even though the hijackers were Saudi. We were lied to by the same people about NAFTA and watched our manufacturing sector get wiped out and our borders flooded with peasant farmers fleeing NAFTA induced economic collapse. These same people tried to play us with the Mueller report. Please, stop being their puppet. You don't have to love Trump, but you deserve a family. When you are out there all alone, you are easy prey for these lying monsters - and they have made heavy investments in your unhappiness and exploitation. Think for yourself, read some American history that isn't communist agitprop. We love you and truth be told we miss you and we need you. Life is short and our time together will be over soon. Here is a coat and a brick, let's go be kind to some people we love.
I believe the courage and conviction to stand alone for good in the face of total hell is a greater power than any "unity" could ever bring.
Dont trust allies. They are flesh. Trust God alone. He has power to help you when your "family" has long since abandoned you to tread the wine press alone.
You make a fine point, but it can have some serious downsides.
A lot of "death cults" for religious or political change have a similar logic at their root. Communists, religious fanatics, totalitarians all train school children to inform on their own parents in an effort to destroy this unit of human solidarity, collective action, and autonomy. Families can be oppressive, deadly even, but they can also nurture and care for large clumps of people - leveraging the collective capital of the group to overcome what would be extinction events for un-allied individuals.
I think the idea that "God works with us when we work with him" allows for sin, lies, abuse, calamity, etc. to be overcome without requiring us to cast so many people out. I am not 100% on any of this.
Very cool. Where did you pick up the idea of family unity overcoming extinction events from and would this apply to highly industrious people? Would it only apply to them if they are the patriarch or matriarch of their group? I find my success has been a byproduct of divorcing myself from such liaisons let's say. In the same vain as the declaration of indepence and our distaste for socialism, I can't imagine being more productive in almost any endeavor as part of a unit. If I want kids it is not with an expectation that I will be able to rely on them getting me out of jams.
I spent a bunch of time back in the early 2000's reading anthropology texts about human violence, family structure, warfare, and some ethnographies too. The best example of a book that really outlines my current perspective is "The Five Stages of Collapse" by Dmitry Orlov.
Here is a link to a short outline of the book: https://cluborlov.blogspot.com/p/the-five-stages-of-collapse.html
The author lived through the collapse of the Soviet Union. I have read similar points of view from people that lived through the collapse in Argentina as well as the civil war in former Yugoslavia.
You definitely do have a leg up in that you have an understanding of your capacity, your own needs, and in the development of your own skills.
I tend to be very "collectivist" or "socialist" in my house and on my block. In my city, I try to be a nice person. At the federal level I am a rampaging states rights maniac and believe the tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thanks a bunch for the response. Read the link. Looking into the IK people. I'll pick up the book if I have time!
Most kids are heavily influenced by internet culture. You can’t turn on an electronic device without seeing “news”. One has to physically disable and mentally distance from media these days and furthermore seek out alternative media if you don’t want to be lied to. Many like her have no idea that over and over everyday they are being hit with propaganda centered around one man who they all hate. Hate is contagious especially with the young. So many intelligent minds are being turned to this so she isn’t alone. She grew up in a system you couldn’t control and had to use to support yourselves. She grew up connected to others who did not develop the social skills needed to deal with problems. It used to be that you didn’t have a soundboard for your thoughts and here we all are commenting to strangers on the internet and many times being assholes to each other. It completely upended human interaction and (spez: social scientists like Jordan Peterson not the pussy hat social scientists) will see this era as a great disruption because we didn’t evolve slowly to deal with it it just got thrown on us. She only gets one family, Internet strangers are endless. Like many addicts she won’t change if she’s not willing to. She’s addicted to her internet presence and hyper focused on something she can’t control. She gets one vote just like the rest of us (jokes aside) and can only wait for her next opportunity and in the mean time find something she likes. Like many you probably wouldn’t care too much if you could have an intelligent conversation with her and establish your differences. She doesn’t know how to do this because she doesn’t have the social skills. Somewhere along the way someone had to have made this suggestion especially if she has a mental health diagnosis. She may need more therapy but what is also important is learning to leave the internet. I spent too much time on the old TD and I’m glad I put it down the pay more attention to my family. It’s nice to have this little slice to come to occasionally.
Main point, we all need to evolve our own minds quickly because national politics seeps into our emotions so often it’s causing problems all over society and especially in the nuclear family. Good luck to you sir. She doesn’t understand the sacrifices and hard work you made for her but hopefully will one day she will and won’t let her differences get in the way of a good hug. Never stop making the effort to connect with her. It may be worth you seeking some help to better understand how to help her and keep her in your life.
There are secret combinations of people conspiring to make this happen.
It isn't normal and won't be seen as anything but a time of great deception.
Jesus says his "family" are those who do the will of God and that he is sent to divide families.
"Family" is not an institution of possession or tyranny, as Abraham knew too well.
Instead of "evolving" your mind experience Renaissance by going back to the past. There is nothing new under the sun. Our ancestors took great pains to preserve our written records. READ THEM. Understand they were the exact same as you. The circumstances appear to change.
honestly, at this point this is the advice that most resonates with me. Except I won't agitate her by sending the MAGA stuff, tempting as it is. She has decided she doesn't celebrate Christmas anymore so I am thinking about returning the gifts I had already bought for her though.
Take back the presents. Find your favorite picture of the two of you when she was a child. One where you are both smiling or laughing, taken during an event or moment that has only happy memories. Send her a copy with a personal note on the back, that no matter what happens you will always love her and she will always be your little girl and you will always be her daddy.
The next move is on her, but I would vow never ever to talk politics with her again. If she brings it up in any way, tell her, "I'm sorry sweetie, I don't ever want to talk about that kind of stuff, it makes us both too unhappy." Then change the subject.
Good luck, my friend. I feel for you.
You should not surrender your daughter to them, she will see the light, depending on how much contact you have the barrier can break down, lies cant withstand the truth and it is on our side
My brother got fired. Send it to his kids (or any charitable gesture).
Wait til you see how grateful people like me are that you exist and are full of good sense.
Gratitude feels much better than socialist entitlement. The best days are ahead! Just have faith. You will figure out what to do. Prayers and encouragement!
I wanted to thank you for this. I'm a Christian and I know enough about Revelations but I had never heard the phrase Synagogue of Satan until this comment. I looked it up and it's exactly what's happening now. This made me determined not to just walk away from my daughter. I will always have open arms for her bc if I don't she will be pulled away.
There is a system. The public education system has been corrupted. News, Social Networking, universities... they are all arms of a bigger system. Much of this was verified in the wikileaks emails like this one to Podesta where the guy talks about creating an unaware and compliant citizenry: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599
There's also the project veritas undercover videos where the guy admits they look for mentally unstable people and paid them to start violence outside of rallies and make it appear to be Trump supporters.
Basically, it's a combination. My daughter's mental issues stem from things that happened when she was a very young child and due to those issues she became easy to influence and manipulate. She's also stubborn as hell and once she gets an idea in her head that's it. And since she has always had a soft spot for the underdog she has been an easy target for those that advertise themselves as being the champions of the underdog.
This entire thing hinges on the unconscious ability to protect the ego. A shift toward reality of this magnitude would require complete self dissolution from decades of formation within the mind and the ego won’t let it happen. Admitting your life has been non reflective of reality isn’t something we do on our own. President Trump being elected is a crowbar into the psyche and shooting the messenger is a whole lot easier than grasping the truth.
Actually if the person thinks they are righteous and a good person all they would have to understand would be that they have been lied to. This is what has happened after all and if someone else has spent considerable resources lying to you, you should be able to accept that you were fooled by such a coordinated effort in manipulation.
This does not require sacrifice of ego and then the rest will follow.
For me one if the best arguments against socialism for example is: the people that want your money call YOU greedy for wanting to keep yours
Pinkos rely on the lie that they are better and people that fall for it want to think they are good, wanting to take other people's money while calling them greedy is not what a good person does, so it's pretty easy to realize you have been duped into accepting retardation as reality
“Should be able to accept that you were fooled...”.
You said a mouthful.
Maybe not. I've heard that neural connections which are foundational could end up being exepriencing trauma if such a revelation was not dismissed. Just a theory but it would explain why people reject full proof evidence often that conflicts with their beliefs.
Same for climate change, they have been saying this stuff for decades, shaming people, blacklisting them, destroying reputations. People that have science on their side don't need to smear others to prove their science wrong, nor do they need majorities, if you are right, you are right regardless of the amount of people that will sign your opponents retarded petition
Very well said. Any good literature on this topic? I've heard this mentioned before, even talk about how neural pathways can only be rewired so fast and that the adoption of new perspectives, if disruptive to foundational ideas could be traumatic and thus there may be some natural evolutionary limiting factor to how much people's beliefs can change in one go. It may be why when presented with proof people do not change their minds.
My family was mostly conservative and my brother was/is really liberal. Looking back over the past 20 years, I think we allowed politics to enter into our family too much. It was a mistake, my brother felt ganged up on. After my mom died 15 years ago I had the realization that we needed to stop the debates. I remember saying to him, “families split up over the Vietnam war and it didn’t do one damn thing”. Both of my children have gone to the left of my worldview and I’m disappointed but I had learned my lesson with my brother, I leave politics at the door when I’m with them. Your daughter only gets one daddy in the world and you are it. I spent years being enraged by the Clintons back when he was president, ugh, I regret that. It’s really sad to be that person who is roiled up by things they can’t control. My personal advice is to cut politics out of the conversation if you can. Heck, I would lie if she asks you who you vote for in the next election. Trust me, this will pass. She needs a dad more than she knows. If she becomes toxic, well that’s another conversation. You are in my prayers.
Really sorry to hear that. Please watch this when you have about 10.5 minutes. THIS video is what red-pilled me, opened my eyes to my naivete and made me do a 180 turn around. I recommend it because it's not overtly political, so it's non-threatening. However, an astute person should be able to put 2 + 2 together and see how it relataes to a lot of things going on in media and politics.
It's a Ted Talk given by Sharyl Attkisson, a very credible, intelligent and pleasant woman who was an executive producer at CBS for 18 years. She has some very helpful and eye opening things to say. Good luck. I hope it helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU
I have a similar situation in my family and while I'm a little nervous about Christmas this year (the TDS is getting worse), avoiding politics altogether is usually the safest course.
As others have mentioned, maybe try to find common ground in a shared hobby or interest?
Remember that they truly can't help themselves when they go on the attack (as with the "bUt He'S a CrImInAl" anecdote) and they will usually back off if you don't respond in an emotional manner.
We're all here for you and understand your problem and/or have similar issues.
Merry Christmas! I hope things get better for your family.
Edit: Just read one of your comment replies...is her therapist any good? It's beyond irrational to cut ties with a family member over an election.
"Remember that they truly can't help themselves when they go on the attack"
My laughing doesn't help. TDS is real AF.
It really is.
Sorry to hear you have a similar situation in your family. Please watch this when you have about 10.5 minutes. THIS video is what red-pilled me, opened my eyes to my naivete and made me do a 180 turn around. I recommend it because it's not overtly political, so it's non-threatening. However, an astute person should be able to put 2 + 2 together and see how it relataes to a lot of things going on in media and politics.
It's a Ted Talk given by Sharyl Attkisson, a very credible, intelligent and pleasant woman who was an executive producer at CBS for 18 years. She has some very helpful and eye opening things to say. Good luck. I hope it helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU
I don't know about the therapist. She's been going for 5 years and she has made great strides in how she deals with people and issues. I mean, I've seen great progress and am hopeful on that front. The way she worded it was "determine what kind of relationship she wants to have with us" which sounds very therapist recommended to me. I don't know if she's being totally honest with her therapist about her reasons though. I think the part about it depending on if he is re-elected is coming from the stuff she reads online.
I didn't respond in an emotional manner but I've always said I will correct misinformation. correcting misinformation seems to cause some kind of shift in the matrix and the more proof I calmly present the more powerful that shift. Like I said, I could sense she was on the verge of a breakdown when I said let's not talk about it anymore. She continued to try to say what she said and I just repeated let's not talk about it anymore.
I would just tell her that since you are not going to agree about politics, let’s not talk about politics.
If she can’t accomplish that basic common sense approach to civility, then it’s a sad situation where she has developed a pathologic intolerance. As parents we want our kids to be healthy and happy, but with an adult child there is only so much you can do.
Let her know that the she will only find acceptance and love from you. And close the subject.
She will be a lot happier person if she can learn to tolerate people who have different beliefs. But someone that who is already in the grips of intolerance and cult-like fanaticism often cannot hear.
Your daughter is being mind controlled through psychological warfare. The Ciamedia, education does this. They win by dividing us as strong families and networks. Do not let them win and take your child away from you. Research and learn to identify the tactics used and how to fight back against them.
Some of these super confrontational suggestions people are giving you are such a bad idea, which I'm sure you know.
I'd focus on pointing out how upset and stressed she is about these things and how that is not normal. Note that you are able to remain calm in the face of leftist ideas with which you strongly disagree, while she is not able to do this. This is an indicator of a problem.
The concept of separation between ego and ideology I think is helpful. Your daughter cannot separate her ego from her ideas, so examining ideas counter to her own is painful to the point of it being nearly impossible. Since she regards ego and ideology to be one and the same, anyone who has a different point of view cannot merely be mistaken, but must be evil.
In contrast to this, you believe in a separate ego, so that your daughter, who has political ideas that logically and historically end in genocide, is not evil, but mistaken.
Another idea is a simple fact establishing game. What if you and your daughter both wrote down predictions about cultural-political events? For example, you might write down that you predict Trump will not be removed from office and that he will be re-elected in 2020. She might write down that she believes he will soon be removed from office and possibly imprisoned. She is in a leftist bubble that encourages her to believe such nonsense. After the fact, it is really hard to look back and see one's own failed predictions clearly. But writing it down could make things very clear. How many times could she see that she is wrong (shooter later reported to be non-white, Schiff or some other democrat later proved to be lying) via information outside of her bubble and continue existing in that bubble?
I have three daughters. My middle daughter has severe TDS, moved to Oregon and has not spoken to me for several years. I feel your story in my heart. Maybe in 5 years, when they mature, they'll come back to us. Prodigal daughters...
Really sorry to hear that. Please watch this when you have about 10.5 minutes. THIS video is what red-pilled me, opened my eyes to my naivete and made me do a 180 turn around. I recommend it because it's not overtly political, so it's non-threatening. However, an astute person should be able to put 2 + 2 together and see how it relataes to a lot of things going on in media and politics.
It's a Ted Talk given by Sharyl Attkisson, a very credible, intelligent and pleasant woman who was an executive producer at CBS for 18 years. She has some very helpful and eye opening things to say. Good luck. I hope it helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU
A personality disorder and severe TDS? Unfortunately, I have a great deal of experience with "PDs". You can't walk away from your daughter so just try your best to mitigate her mental health issue and support her. I'd avoid anything that could trigger a TDS episode, it's not worth it. Keeping your daughter functioning in life is way more important than anything else. Hopefully if you stay away from politics she won't disown you.
Hey kiddo, I'm just letting you know that my relationship with you depends on you voting for Trump. My strong moral code does not allow me to associate with people who disrespect the constitution and rule of law. If you DO NOT vote for TRUMP, I dont think I can have a relationship with you anymore.
How does that feel, kiddo?)
Daughter: reeeee
It never ends does it?
At least she is not a vegetarian....
how would being vegetarian be worse than being 100% cut off from his daughter
So sorry your daughter has these issues, which naturally, affect you.
Please watch this video. It may possibly help. This video, along with one I discovered in the same week about CNN (this all happened before the 2016 election, long before Trump ever called them, "Fake News.") are what red-pilled me and the reason I recommend them is because they are not political, and therefore, not 'threatening' in that vain.
This is a short, 10.5 minute Ted Talk done by Sharyl Attikisson. If you are not familiar with her (I wasn't before I stumbled on this video) she was an executive producer for CBS for 18 years. She explains how big companies, groups, charities, governments, you name it -- use certain techniques to 'influence' people. She speaks of astroturfing (fake 'grass roots') and how so much of what we see and hear is just a bunch of baloney. Honestly, I was so naive before I saw this video and it's like a light went on and I realized just how naive I had been. I did a 180 degree turn around after watching this. Please watch it for yourself, first, and then if you can introduce it to your daughter -- again, leaving politics out of it -- just so she can see that there are people whose whole job is about manipulating others to get what they want -- maybe she will eventually put 2 + 2 together and see that it could apply to a whole lot of things, including some of the lies she herself has fallen for. I sincerely wish you good luck. It must be so difficult being in your situation. I pray she'll have an awakening and your relationship will be the benefactor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU
I'm seeing a lot of people in this thread say much the same, so I am going to go through and leave that video link for a bunch of other too, in hopes it helps.
I have spoken to many people like your daughter and while some are not able to be redpilled, many have been and most have come away with respect for the "other side" so to speak.
My success is that I appeal to emotion and put thing in perspective of their values. The foundations of the philosophy that democrat voters have is completely different. This is one of the reasons that many fellow pedes cannot find common ground with Trump haters. Remember, most of them are brainwashed by CNN and MSNBC, they share nothing in common with the likes of Hillary Clinton and the other swamp creatures who almost certainly knowingly lie to the public (it is hard to believe they are so stupid but I will not discount some even genetic level mental deficit).
Another big issue is the issue of semantics which is a great cause of maybe even MOST non-political arguements, certainly I'd say most regarding the existance of God or absolute vs relative morality. It is tricky to navigate semantics and most people do not know how to do it but it is something to start paying attention to.
The Indian guy who didn't get the job is no less deserving of human rights than the US citizen that did. In her mind your thinking is tribalistic and no different than people who have racist views. What she doesn't get is that you are not compassionless (at least I hope not). Conservatives actually donate more to charity than Democrat voters who see their taxes no doubt as washing away the duties to their fellow people. The job issue is about sustainability. Just like habitats can only tolerate a certain amount of outside interference before they can be thrown into a tailspin, the US which has been the progenitor of so much wealth and invention (including medical) to the world, must survive. The Egyptians' and Romans' societal collapse is largely attributed to foreign elements. Multiculturalism has never worked and it is self-evident that the country is more divided then ever. US culture must foment and harden under the enlightenment ideas of the constitution or something before it can continue down the path. These economics are why so many democrats and Obama voters voted for Trump.
I can tell you just from topic to topic. You are also using whataboutism (God I hate that word) which they will find illegitimate. There are far better ways to argue. If I could give one piece of advice it would be to listen closely and explain yourself in greater detail.
For instance, the wall. How often do you hear that 5000+ people have died crossing the border illegally in the last 20 years? How many rapes? 100,000? 200,000? The Democrats said there wasn't a crisis. They said it was too expensive when building the wall is 1/100th the cost of our last omnibus bill, 1/1000th the amount of our national debt. Libertarians are the only major group I know that thing drugs should be legalized but that won't happen. Still stopping the trafficking will suffocate the cartels financially. 1/3rd or so of Mexico is cartel controlled, the wall will help them I think even more and give them freedom from narco terrorism.
Anyway, hopefully you see this and it gives some help. I've redpilled a lot of people which is why I felt the need to write the long post. Good luck!
Can you explain to me and actually point out an example of this? I'm genuinely asking because I sustained a brain injury that has affected my ability to logically understand some things unless they are broken down in almost an ELI5 fashion. If you can point me to an example of where I used whataboutism I might grasp it better. Thank you!
No problem. When she called Trump a criminal and you said that Joe Biden is on video admitting to what Trump is accused of... that is whataboutism. You are defending Trump's actions by saying to her "Your guy, Biden is also bad and even worse."
There a few things I don't like about that.
Instead, I would say you read the transcript and don't see it. That
a) the point of diplomatic negotiation is to make deals and Biden's, Pelosi's, Kerry's and Romney's children all being on Ukrainian energy boards is maybe worth looking into not just for Trump's sake but for the USA. If Trump ran on a US 1st platform obviously his policy and interests will align with the health of the country. Trump didn't ask for them to fabricate evidence but simply look. That it is something you would do and think it is perfectly fine.
b. That Trump has witheld funding is not proof of anything because he was elected to cut down on foreign spending. He already cut aid to many countries and to the UN, WTO etc. It only makes sense that he would make attempts to cut funding.
c. That providing hellfire missiles to Ukraine is far more valuable than money. If Russia invades further inside, they would do so by driving tanks in. It is much harder to tell your soldiers to drive into Ukraine if they have hellfire missiles then if they have cash that they can't buy real anti tank equiptment with (there are only so many players as I understand selling such weaponry). Why didn't Obama provide them? Trump providing them was going above the established metrics of the support we historically provided. Trump had done many anti Russian things such as making US the number one oil producer in the world. Oil is a huge huge huge amount of Russian GDP. Trump has strengthened NATO by getting allies to put 500 billion more into NATO.
But saying, well Biden is corrupt is problematic. Firstly, this an assumption or is she really a Biden supporter or would she begrudgingly prefer him to Trump but not support him in the same way you support Trump, I think the most vitriolic Trump haters are more Benie and Warren supporters because they tend to have a more Marxist philosophy.
Secondly, tell her that Trump isn't the second coming of Christ. He is a human being and he is far from perfect. If you could only give your support to a perfect leader you'd never vote in your life. Say that if you were on hot mics for most of the last 40 years there would probably be worse jokes that were said that were in far greater poor taste then his grab them by the pussy social commentary on celebrity status. Maybe you can think of a comment your daughter said that would be used to hurt her if she was running for president. And maybe say that Trump probably has never grabbed anyone by the pussy but wanted to say the most vulgar sounding thing for shock value and to make the joke work. Compare it to shocking comedians that she might like like George Carlin, Louie CK, Sarah Silverman... and say that you bet some of the jokes they say in person are even more outside the overton window because that how comedians are.
Not sure what else you can say. Say that Trump runs his mouth a lot. That he might be saying 100 times more unscripted things than past presidents and he will slip up but the openness more than makes up for it and that whenever you dig into things that media calls lies they are either innocent or straight up misrepresentations.
There's so much more of course but hopefully this gives you some idea. Make sure she doesn't feel like she is talking to a wall. When a girl once told me about how racist Trump is I asked her why she thought he was racist. She talked about some tweets and I asked for her to show me. Well she even dug up an article with the title "10 most racist Trump tweets" but when we read them together, sure enough they weren't racist.
When they talk about the border it helps to ask them if they were president what would they do? Would they fix everything on the first day? Would they keep families together? What about the fact that a third of the people DNA tested who claim to be family actually aren't? Then show them the video of kids being snatched up near the border from mothers by some criminals so that they are more likely to gain entry and be rushed through the process. Tell them this is how it has been for decades and you are glad Trump made it a campaign issue. That it is often darkest before dawn and that the reason it is only slowly being resolved in your mind is because of the democrats for the reasons I mentioned in the last post.
Anyway, that's all from me today. Please update me on how it goes, even if it is a month from now.
Maybe you should refuse to talk politics though for a while and try redpilling strangers in public areas by doing street type interviews. You would learn how to engage with someone better and then you wouldn't be shooting in the dark with your daughter because it is about listening, not trying to remember a script. You have plenty of time before Trump gets reelected to humanize yourself and Trump voters in her eyes so maybe practice with others first.
Thank you so much. This explanation was very helpful. I've got an update I'm going to make another post about.
Awesome. I read your post. I'm glad you are getting along again with your daughter!
When I was going through similar problems a few years back I got a lot of help and wisdom from kind strangers on the internet so it feels great to be able to help, even if it just gave you another perspective on her.
I think you're using .win correctly and your thread ended up being one of the more enlightening ones I've read here. That one poster who said TDS is just about using common talking points to let out anger stemming from other issues rings true, especially for your case if your daughter has completely dropped politics after seeing you take an interest in her hobby.
Anyway, remember to give me another update in a few months or come election time. Whenever there is another rift between you two, and there will be, politics will probably come up so be prepared. Not to win an argument, but like I said,to humanize you and the rest of your family.
My sympathies. I don't know what I'd do if one of my 5 kids turned their back on me. My thoughts are with you.
Showing you some love bro. Its disgusting what these people are doing to us.
LVL60 dark elf mage checking in.
Are you not entertained?
If you want to open the door and make her think logically you need something to take down the walls.
I usually accomplish this by asking a question like "how do politicians get so rich on thier salary?" Then I name a republican and a democrat who are uber wealthy.
This seems like a non partisan question and it tweaks their hatred of the rich rather than their hatred of Trump. Now that the focus is off Trump, the walls will be lowered. From there just have conversations about governmnet evils without slamming one party while praising the other. Talk about our government spending billions on foreign governments while people here have no health care. Mention Bushs Iraq war and Obamas pallet of cash.
Over a period of time, ask her questions that make her think. Ask her "if govt confiscated all of the rich peoples money, do you think they would give any to you? Or " If making something illegal stops crime then why are crimes still being committed?" "Would making guns illegal, stop criminals from using them?"
She will start to question things after a while and will eventually wake up but its a slow process and you must be patient. De-programming doesnt happen overnight.
Good luck.
I've shared this before, but I have a friend whose daughter went off to college not caring about politics, but had more conservative views. She was a strong woman, not letting anything get her down.
After a year she comes home for holiday dinner. Dad says 'Trump' and tears immediately come streaming down her face with Pavlovian speed. Instant break down.
Whatever these kids are being taught, and however they're conditioning the weaker minded adults, it's some deep and dark programming. We'd better figure it out ASAP or in a generation all these sheep will be voting majority.
Hey, I don't know if you saw this and I really want you to because it helped me so much. I wrote more about it, below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU
Sounds like it's high time we instituted family movie night.
Start with Endgame, which exposes Bush. Then Obama Deception. Plan For A New American Century, Eyes Wide Shut, They Live.
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/endgame-blueprint-for-global-enslavement/
If you can get them to watch it, it will be like the glasses in They Live. Only happens after a long choreographed fight.
Be confident. We are all suffering. Let's reclaim our daughters, wives, and families.
God will help. Keep calling on his name and go with the inspiration that comes. NEVER EVER GIVE UP.
Denesh’s movie Obama’s AMERICA was a good one as well
The other one, Hillary's America: The Secret History of the Democratic Party was a good one too!
Do Adam Curtis' documentaries around Halloween. Century of the Self is solid gold.
I am so sorry. What a difficult situation. I don't even know what advice to give, just hang in there.
Can you BELIEVE those groupies? If you're a rock-star or have power, they'll let you...
That is pretty much what I heard.
Right. But notice the phrase "or have power." After all, didn't Kissinger say that power was one of the best aphrodisiacs?
Ask her what if Americans chose Trump for twenty more years? https://i.imgur.com/ZAH4mp1.jpg