No, it wasn't. The delegates to the rewrite had powers plenipotentiary and they were convened under different rules, and for a different purpose than those governing an Article V Convention of States. A COS is limited to the purposes for which it is called (essentially, the overlap of at least 34 resolutions by state legislatures, which triggers Congress' obligation to call the convention). No commission could show up and introduce any proposal that wasn't covered under the overlap of the state resolutions. And, whatever modifications they proposed (again, on the topics specified in at the 34 or more state resolutions that triggered the convention) would still go back to the states for ratification.
This canard of the run-away convention has been ignorantly trotted out by too many people for too long. The real risk we're facing isn't a risk - it's clear and present, RIGHT NOW, and that's an undisciplined Congress, no longer doing the people's business, with permanent incumbents and out-of-control spending, and massive overreach by the massive Federal administrative state. Article V is the safety valve the Framers built in to our Constitution to give us one last chance to fix a state hurtling toward tyranny before we had to resort to the cartridge box, again.
No, it couldn't be. A Convention of States IS NOT a "Constitutional Convention;" they can't just show up and riff. The Convention of States is LIMITED by the commonality between the at least 34 (2/3) state resolutions calling for the Convention, and then whatever they propose for amendments have to go back to the states for ratification (3/4). A convened Convention of States could no more introduce or vote on amendments/modifications to the Constitution that fall outside the states' resolutions than they could vote to form a monarchy.
I think I'd be more inclined to support an amendment prohibiting government agencies from having an independent regulatory power without requisite oversight and review by Congress or the president for each measure they propose. This is where the 'deep state' gets its deepness from.
Self-serving mandates, directives, guidelines, prohibitions, and/or bans that tie our lives in knots are being generated by these careerist bureaucracies, but nobody elected these fuckers, they don't represent us, and aren't answerable to anyone, apparently. They're literally a 'Shadow Government'.
These people, the people who are elected to office and the people who have entrenched themselves, in one way or another, into our Government, will never willingly give up control. And as things now stand, will never put the will of the people above their own will or the will of the party they belong to.
They, themselves are a clear and present danger to our Republic.
So, as scary as it seems to some, this Convention of States is a tool the Founding Generation put into our hands to use if things ever came to this passing.
The Founding Fathers motives were pure, they wanted a government of the People, by the People and for the People. And they, with DIVINE GUIDANCE and their own altruistic brilliance, put every tool they could think of and agree on into our hands.
So. again, as scary as it seems to some, this Convention of States is a tool we must find the courage to use - if not for ourselves then for our children.
Let us try to find the courage of our Founding Generation within ourselves and use it to Protect and Defend this more Perfect Union.
No, it wouldn't. In fact, it COULDN'T. At least 34 states would have to put some form of "modify/vacate the 2nd Amendment" into their resolutions for it to even be an allowable topic at the Convention, and then it would have to be ratified by 3/4 of states. It's NOT a Constitutional Convention --it's strictly limited to the topics in common to at least 34 of the resolutions triggering the calling of the convention.
You concern is in the right place, but you don't know what you're talking about, which makes you a useful idiot to the people who would like to thwart use of the Constitutional safety switch that the Framers built in for the people to reassert control of a Federal government they foresaw at risk of amassing undue, unchecked power.
My understanding is that Article 5 says that the states can call the convention to get together and it says they can, “propose amendments to this Constitution.” You can’t have a constitutional convention where you wipe the whole Constitution out, that’s not what happens.
You are rather condescending for one who barely knows what they are talking about in return and has the naive optimism of a three year old counting the presents under the tree.
Look at Kentucky. Look at Virginia. I absolutely, 100% guran-fucking-tee that if you do that, an annulment of the 2nd amendment, or at minimum a significant "definition" infringement, is going to be proposed, and supported by a number of states you think are safe.
Will it pass? Maybe not. But it will be proposed, and up for discussion, and who the fuck do you think is going to be AT this convention? A Bunch of constitutional originalists? It's going to be Republicans and Democrats, and they are not to be trusted.
You know fuck all about what I know or whether I'm a useful idiot; I could say the same about you, rushing into a situation you cannot control.
There are risks and rewards either way. Casting aspersion on legitimate concern earns you the fuck you of the day.
"Your understanding is that..." Nothing. Your "understanding" is fuck-all. Read Rob Natelson, then you'll be prepared for a rational discussion. I have, and I am. Until then, you're Hank Johnson, worried about Guam tipping over, and bitching about how nobody is taking your "legitimate concern" seriously.
If you think I'm condescending, then I'm speaking directly to you when I'm doing it. Get your head out of your ass, educate yourself, and stop presuming that everyone is as ignorant as you. I don't EVER comment about something like this before educating myself, so your "one who barely knows..." is utter nonsense. Article V DOES, in fact, say that "on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments," and if you would read something authoritative (e.g. Natelson, with his prolific citations and sources), you would understand that a Convention of States is NOT the same as a Constitutional Convention. And the delegates (commissions/commissioners) arrive with their state resolutions in hand. The convention called by Congress is in response to the applications of the legislatures, WHICH STATE THE PURPOSE OF THE CONVENTION. If 2/3 of the applications don't say "2nd Amendment n' stuff," then it isn't on the agenda. Period. If some dildo brings it up, they immediately dismiss the point. That's it.
Edufuckingcate yourself before you come back with your wild-eyed bullshit. Vacating our 2nd Amendment would be bad. It can't happen at a Convention of States convened with resolutions that don't include it as a purpose, any more than it could happen at your next local boy scout meeting. And we're already living the risk; Congress is obviously fucked. We're paying that price, with runaway deficit spending, permanent political class which ignore their constituents and pander to special interests, and an unbounded administrative state. This IS the tool the framers provided. If this fails, it's the cartridge box. Now put on your big boy pants, stop fucking hand-wringing about some bullshit as superstitious as chupacabra stories, and assert your right as a citizen to alter your form of government, and to remind its officers that the people were, are, and will be the final check on accrued, tyrannical power.
A solution you cannot possibly effect cannot possibly be a "good solution." The Framers built this into the Constitution for our use, to save the republic from unchecked power. It's time for us to use the tool for its intended purpose.
Honestly, and sadly, the only way to get the real sweeping change needed to get this country back to it's framer's intent is to win another civil war. The swamp is too entrenched in DC and every State House. I just hope it doesn't begin for another 5 years, when I'll have finally moved my family out of Commiefornia and to a red State. God speed Pedes!
Constitutional conventions are a mess and to be avoided like the plague. They never stick to their mandate. It’d be a whole scale communist rewrite, if only because they’ve got more career “community activists” to stuff the groups with.
Again, if you're this ignorant about a subject, you have no business talking about it in public. A Convention of States (Article V) IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. This is the most basic imaginable distinction, and you don't even know this - until you remedy your stunning ignorance, STOP talking, you're not helping. There has NEVER BEEN an Article V Convention of States held, so how in the HELL could any of them "never stick to their mandate?"
I'm out of patience with people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about but spout off, anyway. Educate yourself or shut the fuck up.
If you actually want to educate yourself, this is a good place to start.
This is nonsense. Incumbents have a MASSIVE advantage. And the "money in politics" problem is critically affecting all of them right now. Read/watch The Swamp (w/Ken Buck) and you'll understand a little better. Also, it's not just about term limits, it's about choking off the metastases of the admin state, and about putting fiscal constraints on the Federal government. These are all intertwined reforms.
Ignorant and wrong. You have no business saying such stupid things in public if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And you don't. Read my comment above; a Convention of States is NOT a Constitutional convention; they can't just do "anything," and you'd NEVER get enough states to allow, e.g. vacation of the 2nd Amendment, to get it on the agenda for a Convention of States.
You're basically the guy on the Titanic telling everyone not to panic and to just stay in their room, where they'll be safe. Your ignorance is the danger, and Convention of States is the lifeboat we need to rescue our Republic.
No, "they" wouldn't; that's not how a Convention of States works. They could no more "vote out the Bill of Rights" than they could vote to become a nuclear-armed city state. It's not possible, and spreading ignorant shit like this gets in the way of what We the People need to do to exercise our Constitutional check on the Federal government.
Was done at the very beginning tho. Sauce incoming.
Edit 1/2: Sauce.
Edit 2/2: Here is a link to one of the current CoS movements FYI (everyone).
No, it wasn't. The delegates to the rewrite had powers plenipotentiary and they were convened under different rules, and for a different purpose than those governing an Article V Convention of States. A COS is limited to the purposes for which it is called (essentially, the overlap of at least 34 resolutions by state legislatures, which triggers Congress' obligation to call the convention). No commission could show up and introduce any proposal that wasn't covered under the overlap of the state resolutions. And, whatever modifications they proposed (again, on the topics specified in at the 34 or more state resolutions that triggered the convention) would still go back to the states for ratification.
This canard of the run-away convention has been ignorantly trotted out by too many people for too long. The real risk we're facing isn't a risk - it's clear and present, RIGHT NOW, and that's an undisciplined Congress, no longer doing the people's business, with permanent incumbents and out-of-control spending, and massive overreach by the massive Federal administrative state. Article V is the safety valve the Framers built in to our Constitution to give us one last chance to fix a state hurtling toward tyranny before we had to resort to the cartridge box, again.
No, they can't. See my comment above. If you haven't read Rob Natelson's book about it, you don't know what you're talking about.
No, it couldn't be. A Convention of States IS NOT a "Constitutional Convention;" they can't just show up and riff. The Convention of States is LIMITED by the commonality between the at least 34 (2/3) state resolutions calling for the Convention, and then whatever they propose for amendments have to go back to the states for ratification (3/4). A convened Convention of States could no more introduce or vote on amendments/modifications to the Constitution that fall outside the states' resolutions than they could vote to form a monarchy.
Already COS movement started.
I think I'd be more inclined to support an amendment prohibiting government agencies from having an independent regulatory power without requisite oversight and review by Congress or the president for each measure they propose. This is where the 'deep state' gets its deepness from.
Self-serving mandates, directives, guidelines, prohibitions, and/or bans that tie our lives in knots are being generated by these careerist bureaucracies, but nobody elected these fuckers, they don't represent us, and aren't answerable to anyone, apparently. They're literally a 'Shadow Government'.
Trump won, what, 30 states? We would need 3 more to un-cuck. Who would those be?
NM, MN are in play. We need one more. Can we get NV back...not likely with all the Californians moving there.
These people, the people who are elected to office and the people who have entrenched themselves, in one way or another, into our Government, will never willingly give up control. And as things now stand, will never put the will of the people above their own will or the will of the party they belong to.
They, themselves are a clear and present danger to our Republic.
So, as scary as it seems to some, this Convention of States is a tool the Founding Generation put into our hands to use if things ever came to this passing.
The Founding Fathers motives were pure, they wanted a government of the People, by the People and for the People. And they, with DIVINE GUIDANCE and their own altruistic brilliance, put every tool they could think of and agree on into our hands.
So. again, as scary as it seems to some, this Convention of States is a tool we must find the courage to use - if not for ourselves then for our children.
Let us try to find the courage of our Founding Generation within ourselves and use it to Protect and Defend this more Perfect Union.
With all the squishy republicans around, a Convention would nullify 2nd Amendment. Not worth it.
No, it wouldn't. In fact, it COULDN'T. At least 34 states would have to put some form of "modify/vacate the 2nd Amendment" into their resolutions for it to even be an allowable topic at the Convention, and then it would have to be ratified by 3/4 of states. It's NOT a Constitutional Convention --it's strictly limited to the topics in common to at least 34 of the resolutions triggering the calling of the convention.
You concern is in the right place, but you don't know what you're talking about, which makes you a useful idiot to the people who would like to thwart use of the Constitutional safety switch that the Framers built in for the people to reassert control of a Federal government they foresaw at risk of amassing undue, unchecked power.
"In fact, it COULDN'T."
My understanding is that Article 5 says that the states can call the convention to get together and it says they can, “propose amendments to this Constitution.” You can’t have a constitutional convention where you wipe the whole Constitution out, that’s not what happens.
You are rather condescending for one who barely knows what they are talking about in return and has the naive optimism of a three year old counting the presents under the tree.
Look at Kentucky. Look at Virginia. I absolutely, 100% guran-fucking-tee that if you do that, an annulment of the 2nd amendment, or at minimum a significant "definition" infringement, is going to be proposed, and supported by a number of states you think are safe.
Will it pass? Maybe not. But it will be proposed, and up for discussion, and who the fuck do you think is going to be AT this convention? A Bunch of constitutional originalists? It's going to be Republicans and Democrats, and they are not to be trusted.
You know fuck all about what I know or whether I'm a useful idiot; I could say the same about you, rushing into a situation you cannot control.
There are risks and rewards either way. Casting aspersion on legitimate concern earns you the fuck you of the day.
"Your understanding is that..." Nothing. Your "understanding" is fuck-all. Read Rob Natelson, then you'll be prepared for a rational discussion. I have, and I am. Until then, you're Hank Johnson, worried about Guam tipping over, and bitching about how nobody is taking your "legitimate concern" seriously.
If you think I'm condescending, then I'm speaking directly to you when I'm doing it. Get your head out of your ass, educate yourself, and stop presuming that everyone is as ignorant as you. I don't EVER comment about something like this before educating myself, so your "one who barely knows..." is utter nonsense. Article V DOES, in fact, say that "on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments," and if you would read something authoritative (e.g. Natelson, with his prolific citations and sources), you would understand that a Convention of States is NOT the same as a Constitutional Convention. And the delegates (commissions/commissioners) arrive with their state resolutions in hand. The convention called by Congress is in response to the applications of the legislatures, WHICH STATE THE PURPOSE OF THE CONVENTION. If 2/3 of the applications don't say "2nd Amendment n' stuff," then it isn't on the agenda. Period. If some dildo brings it up, they immediately dismiss the point. That's it.
Edufuckingcate yourself before you come back with your wild-eyed bullshit. Vacating our 2nd Amendment would be bad. It can't happen at a Convention of States convened with resolutions that don't include it as a purpose, any more than it could happen at your next local boy scout meeting. And we're already living the risk; Congress is obviously fucked. We're paying that price, with runaway deficit spending, permanent political class which ignore their constituents and pander to special interests, and an unbounded administrative state. This IS the tool the framers provided. If this fails, it's the cartridge box. Now put on your big boy pants, stop fucking hand-wringing about some bullshit as superstitious as chupacabra stories, and assert your right as a citizen to alter your form of government, and to remind its officers that the people were, are, and will be the final check on accrued, tyrannical power.
Please
Already in motion. Lookup Convention of States Project. Already have a bunch of states that have passed resolutions.
A solution you cannot possibly effect cannot possibly be a "good solution." The Framers built this into the Constitution for our use, to save the republic from unchecked power. It's time for us to use the tool for its intended purpose.
Honestly, and sadly, the only way to get the real sweeping change needed to get this country back to it's framer's intent is to win another civil war. The swamp is too entrenched in DC and every State House. I just hope it doesn't begin for another 5 years, when I'll have finally moved my family out of Commiefornia and to a red State. God speed Pedes!
NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!
The five million government workers — who have no term limits —- will then complete the take-over of our country.
Way past time
I don’t think anyone is questioning your support or loyalty here ‘pede.
Constitutional conventions are a mess and to be avoided like the plague. They never stick to their mandate. It’d be a whole scale communist rewrite, if only because they’ve got more career “community activists” to stuff the groups with.
Again, if you're this ignorant about a subject, you have no business talking about it in public. A Convention of States (Article V) IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. This is the most basic imaginable distinction, and you don't even know this - until you remedy your stunning ignorance, STOP talking, you're not helping. There has NEVER BEEN an Article V Convention of States held, so how in the HELL could any of them "never stick to their mandate?"
I'm out of patience with people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about but spout off, anyway. Educate yourself or shut the fuck up.
If you actually want to educate yourself, this is a good place to start.
https://conventionofstates.com/resources
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/conventionofstates/pages/125/attachments/original/1422924991/runaway-response-rev1.pdf?1422924991
Let Congress Enact NO Law applicable to themselves that they do not provide for the People..
No Life Time Benefits
End the Fed
No Influence from Super PACS
This is nonsense. Incumbents have a MASSIVE advantage. And the "money in politics" problem is critically affecting all of them right now. Read/watch The Swamp (w/Ken Buck) and you'll understand a little better. Also, it's not just about term limits, it's about choking off the metastases of the admin state, and about putting fiscal constraints on the Federal government. These are all intertwined reforms.
Convention of States would end the constitution as we know it.
Anything would be up for change.
Ignorant and wrong. You have no business saying such stupid things in public if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And you don't. Read my comment above; a Convention of States is NOT a Constitutional convention; they can't just do "anything," and you'd NEVER get enough states to allow, e.g. vacation of the 2nd Amendment, to get it on the agenda for a Convention of States.
You're basically the guy on the Titanic telling everyone not to panic and to just stay in their room, where they'll be safe. Your ignorance is the danger, and Convention of States is the lifeboat we need to rescue our Republic.
No, "they" wouldn't; that's not how a Convention of States works. They could no more "vote out the Bill of Rights" than they could vote to become a nuclear-armed city state. It's not possible, and spreading ignorant shit like this gets in the way of what We the People need to do to exercise our Constitutional check on the Federal government.