My original post is here: https://thedonald.win/p/3s4Koqr/venting-about-adult-daughter-wit/
First I want to thank each and every one of you that replied and offered helpful advice. It was very helpful and I'm thankful to you all.
Based on the advice given by datawarrior I decided to try to get involved in her hobby. It's not something I can realistically do but I am showing a greater amount of interest in it asking questions and such even though it's not something I really get in to. It's her thing right now so I'm using it as a bridge to be able to talk to her about stuff other than politics. IT HELPED! Just by me asking a few questions she is suddenly talking to me more, contacting me. She came to Christmas and even brought gifts for her family. She was on the phone with me the night before asking what to get for some people. I spent Christmas day with her and we did not discuss politics at all and she didn't bring it up.
I'm going to spend the weekend with her in a few weeks to help her pack her apartment as she is moving into a house. I'm looking forward to spending that time with her.
I'm also going to do something which I'm honestly vehemently against but I've decided my daughter is more important to me on this issue. I have a Trump bumper sticker. As I was leaving her apartment on Christmas day she walked me out and I saw her glance at the bumper sticker. I know she wanted to say something but she refrained. I've decided to remove the sticker just because I know it's a literal trigger for her. It's an olive branch from me to her.
All that being said, I'm voting for who I want to vote for. Her words when all this started were deciding what kind of relationship she wants to have with us depends on what happens with the election. I'm not going to tell her who I voted for and if she asks I'm going to tell her it is not something I wish to discuss. If she decides she wants to end our parent/daughter relationship at that point then it's truly on her. I've made concessions in order to keep the peace and my door will always be open to her but I won't chase her.
Thank you all and I hope everyone had a very Merry Christmas!
She is your daughter after all, and you seem to know the importance of family over politics. It might be something she will take time to realize. But alienating your kin is only a sign that. “They” have won on division. No matter what my family believes about politics, I love them and nothing will change that. Divided we are weak, United we are strong!
Disown the traitor.
I say fuck 'em if they don't like Trump, or don't like right-wing politics. I have alienated all of my TDS relatives and my life is better for it.
If it were anyone else in my family I would do the same. It's just that this is my daughter we are talking about here. I can't say fuck it and just pretend she doesn't exist anymore.
Extreme, perhaps, but not "stupid". Read what Communist minions have done to not only nations they've invaded, but to their own people! Deliberate famine/mass starvation is probably their favorite weapon: Stalin starved 20 million Ukrainians to death; Mao starved to death between 65 and 85 million Chinese in a country that, though it has always suffered periodic famines, had never suffered a nation-wide famine before Mao -- for the first time in Chinese history, there was no province for the starving Chinese to flee to! Pol Pot starved the Cambodians, and now we've got Maduro starving the Venezuelans.
Want to know what end stage starvation looks like? Know all those zombie movies and TV shows? That. The body begins consuming the brain, since it's made out of fat -- it's the last thing the body has to consume before death. (Is that by any chance "predictive programming"?)
Then, of course, there's the horrific tortures, organ harvesting, Gulags, "reeducation camps", being placed in so-called "mental institutions" for things like wrong-think, thought-crime, and believing in God (Jesus is especially anathema).
And there are serious rumors that the organ harvesting involves vivisection: a young Chinese intern found himself being asked to remove a strapped-down prisoner's eyes while he was awake and not under anesthesia. When he froze in horror, the disgusted chief surgeon grabbed the surgical tools out of the intern's hands and deftly removed the poor prisoner's eyes in seconds. He tells his horrific story in detail; he fled to Canada. He's not the only one to recount such horrors under Communism.
So, as you may now see, considering Communists to be inhuman is not only NOT stupid, it is completely understandable, perhaps even justifiable.
And never forget, the above activities are their plans for us. Fight them to an easier death than the one you'll suffer if you don't fight!
"But if men were angels it would work"
No it wouldn't. There's a fundamental problem with central planning. The only people who should make decisions for their own activities, are the people on the spot. Anyone far away will inevitably have misconceptions and gaps in their understanding, worse than anything those on location may have.
Even if it could work, it would require everyone to be angels. Since psychopaths and power-hungry people are attracted to centers of power like moths to a light.And they always screw everything they touch.
Personal freedoms, property rights and distributed decision making. It's the only way that actually works. But it does require free speech, access to decent education, free and open news channels, and an absolute right to effective self defense.Against hostile individuals and states. Hence right to bear arms.
I'm with ya, it's your daughter. You live for your kids, people without kids don't understand that.
My random 2c here for what it's worth. If you cut people off you're depriving them the benefit of a different perspective and ensuring they stay in their bubble. Same for you too. I continue to maintain a dialog with people that have a different ideology for them and for me too and my ongoing opinions are influenced by their ideas, and I can tell the same is happening for them.
Imagine we only listened to MSNBC and Fox News and never listened to ideas from outside of those 2 silos. I'm convinced that as citizens we need to entertain even ideas that at first might sound crazy, to apply the sniff test to them, to do our best to research what we can wading through propaganda and then to come up with our best assessment of the truth based on that and evolving information since in many cases we can never be 100% certain of the truth (because the truth is clearly obfuscated by those with private political interests, the corrupt, conspiracies etc.).
We have a responsibility to keep our cool (when possible) and to present our reasoning to those around us, especially loved ones. For some it may be a lost cause to try to stay calm and establish that dialog, but I think for most it's possible especially because of your historical relationship. Another way to look at it is if we cannot leverage the trust we've built over a lifetime with people, god help us. These of all people know who we are. They know in their hearts we don't have corrupt motives so family and close friends are the best hope to break through their cognitive dissonance (and likewise ours).
I'm sorry about your situation and am hoping you can re-establish your relationships based on your shared blood and history and help respectfully bring a different perspective to all those around you.
Most conservatives just want happy, peaceful lives with their families and no government interference. We're forced into politics to protect the freedoms that Communists/Muslims/Democrats want to destroy.
Sacrificing family for politics is missing the forest for the trees.
You should channel this as rightful hatred towards the communists who brainwashed your daughter. So sorry for you man, my skin crawls and my blood boils just at the thought of going through what you're going through with my own kids.
That's great news! So glad I was able to help a little bit. Opening the door is a great first step. Just remember there is so much more good to come from it.
I wish I could tell you all what my sister said about Trump over Christmas but it might result in a visit from the Secret Service. She's no threat, I promise. Just a Facebook warrior.
For what it’s worth, I think you did the right thing. My son considers himself a liberal. My husband and I are conservative. We have always been respectful of his opinions although we often disagree on many things. I would look for common ground whenever I could find it and I never lost sight that my relationship with our son was more important than winning an argument. I’m glad that things are working out better for you. Good luck.
Well said. This outcome makes me happy. It's his daughter after all. Family is way more important than winning an argument. I'm glad he's willing to compromise to keep his family intact and maintain a relationship with his daughter. Makes me angry all the propagandists in the media that have brainwashed her and millions more with 24/7 Trump-hate.
The media business will switch to something else after 2024. This is a lifelong problem we have to deal with in our society.
The family is a core unit to fight off the bloody hand of communism.
Thank you for sharing. I had not seen the first post in this story, I think you are doing the right thing.
My oldest daughter was programmed by liberal college and Tumblrina's few years back. After college she moved home and we took a non-confrontational approach and it paid off. A year or two of patience and maybe self censoring comments has led to a much better relationship.
Being interested in your daughters hobbies is also a good step.
I suspect by removing the bumper sticker it will cause her to reflect on how unfair she's been- assuming she knows why you removed it. Think it's a smart move.
It might also keep your car from being vandalized by insane TDS afflicted people, so there's that...
Especially as we get closer to the election. Its gonna heat up bigly with TDS meltdowns
No, she will push for more and demand more. SHES A FUCKING LIBERAL.
You all are fucking retarded in this thread and want to ignore reality for some "feels"
It's his daughter. Family. And he loves her. And I get the impression she appreciates the efforts he's made and as a result is trying to tamp down the TDS. It would be nice if Barr/Durham actually started prosecuting the coup plotters- it might open some eyes to how the media and people like Comey have been lying to the public for over three years and redpill some TDS sufferers.
Great to hear you've made some progress! Family is everything.
I'm really happy to read this post. We've all seen this type of family thing play out, especially since 2016. It's sad to lose family to political bs. I actually think the cynical elites may take a sick pleasure in watching these divides happen, even when both parties are closer to a uniparty. Anyways, God bless you and your daughter.
I just ask questions so they will have to "teach" me what is going on with the impeachment process. Then I slip in all the Dem crimes they are acussing Trump of, make them explain to me why the Biden family isn't at fault for the exact thing they claim Trump is guilty of. Short circuits their brains.
Good call on the bumper sticker. These people are mentally ill and increasingly violent. You were asking for your vehicle to get vandalized. Many of us would never cut the tires of a HRC vehicle or anything remotely like that--wouldnt' dream of it, just roll our eyes. But while WE are living in polite / civil society, THEY are NOT
There was a news story today where a black alabaman man pulled a gun on a guy over his Trump sticker and was waving it around like a crazy man while they talked to him. I hope he went to jail for years for that or at the least for a month and is barred from owning or operating (renting at shooting lane) a handgun for at least 10 yrs
I live near asheville nc and this is a VERY liberal place filled with wiccan hippie liberal socialist pagan trump haters...you can't even drive a pickup truck to whole foods without getting dirty looks by cat lady spinsters emerging from priuses with at least 20 interrelated "liberal" bumper stickers starting with coexist and ending with "hail seitan" (a vegan thing)
if you had a trump sticker, you'd literally send half of whole foods clientele to therapy that day and likely have flat tires or a banana in your exhaust (at least it will be organic tho, so thtere's that)
My own brother has severe TDS now. I was talking during Xmas about how the MAGA doctrine has led to a global push for nationalism (Paris, Hong Kong, brexit). When we got to talking about Boris Johnson's recent landslide and now supermajority, his only response was that "Putin is so powerful, Russia has clearly taken over England too".
The answer is a sad one. We simply can't talk about this any more. He's so far beyond reason it's just not even worth it. We still get along but it makes me sad someone I was able to talk to anything about, there's now an off-limits topic.
Having a woke or leftist relative is pretty much the same as having a mentally retarded relative. About the only real difference is the woke one is a much more angry all the time. Judgy and preachy too.
Such a blessing to read this! Healing takes time and absolute nurturing!
Parenting over politics. I wish you all the best!
Thank you for the update! You got some sound advice there on engaging her about her new hobby, I’m so happy to hear that it opened a door for you. Closing the door on political differences has been so valuable in maintaining relationships in my life. I can say without hesitation, I never look back and think, “gee, I wish I had duked it out with my kid during the Obama years” ?. Congratulations on showing her how it’s done, that people choose to love each other and be decent to each other in spite of different political beliefs.
Personally I would put on a 2nd Trump 2020 sticker. Shits going to get real soon.
My two sons have gone full blown commie with a side of TDS so I feel for you, good luck!
Another PUSSY fucking RINO.
She subverted and changed you, just like the communists do. You are a failure.
and you are an idiot.