I'm torn on this issue. I want to agree with you because the state is violating their citizen's constitutional rights, but I also hate the idea of big federal government getting it's nose in a state's issue.
But... As I typed that ^ out, I began to think harder about it and I think it is clear that the 2nd amendment violations supercede state rights. Once the laws are passed, they need to be reviewed by the federal judiciary, and Trump need to be prepared to send in some boots if the Virginia law enforcement agencies turn on their own citizen's.
It isn't a state's issue. They are directly violating an enumerated right spelled out in the Constitution. If I remember right, states' rights only come into play regarding what isn't spelled out in the Constitution.
I believe Trump is well aware (and so is Jr and Eric, etc.) and I believe he will talk about this, at the next rally if not sooner.
At the 2nd A city hall forum last night in Va Bch Scott Pressler reported volunteers registering people to vote, and he was talking with people who had not voted Trump in 2016 but were going to vote for him in 2020--it may all play out better than we think.
Trump uses all attention on issues, bad and good. He knows we need to get involved to help save the country, and it looks like the threat to the 2 A is waking up people faster than a large espresso ever will. The entire country of Trump supporters and gun owners has eyes on the 2A and VA right now, and that's a good thing.
So support 2A, join the NRA, train with your new gun, make your voice heard, vote---we do our part, Trump does his. He'll have our backs.
My brother, a resident of Virginia, USMC combat vet, and 2nd amendment supporter, has rather downplayed this. He pointed out that there are 8000 National Guard members in VA, of which 2500 are actually active duty. Those are not likely to support any sort of gun grab, even if Gov Blackface tries to use the NG for it (which he can't b/c they are charged with support of the Constitution, not the state). Bro thinks it will be a very long time before any new laws are implemented, if at all. There are about 2.4 million gun owners in Virginia, and those are just the legal ones. 2.4 million against 2500 NG is some pretty wild odds. Even if a law is passed, there is no way that the state gov't can enforce it.
When local government over-steps it's authority you have to challenge it in court, then fight it through the courts if you lose the first round or two.
POTUS cannot step in until after the deed is done, right now all you have is fear mongering, once your rights are infringed then you have a case to take to court.
You might even get a case before the courts prior to the laws becoming active, a court can grant a stay if you prove your points.
One problem is that the 2nd Amendment hasn't been incorporated against the states like many of the other Amendments. The Constitution was written to only restrict the Federal government, which meant that the states could place any restrictions on arms they deemed fit and it wouldn't violate the Constitution in any way.
Maybe one day the SCOTUS will get off its ass and clearly define the 2nd Amendment as the intended individual right to own and carry firearms AND incorporate it so that states are restricted in their power by it just like the Federal government is supposed to be restricted by it.
Good question. Virginia is the big story most aren't discussing, except for us here.
I bet that the Iran story will die down in a week (Iran hopefully seems interested in just saber rattling).
In my opinion, if civil war is to break out in the United States, the likeliest place is in Virginia, and specifically when they begin confiscating peoples guns. Hopefully I am wrong.
As a Republic, the power lies in the hands of the people. The people of VA have done somethings to counter this travesty against their Constitutional right. However, I would think that fighting this in the courts, all the way up to SCOTUS if need be, would be the way to go, rather than compel the federal government to get involved and establish precedent by which a future 'Obama' would simply impose his will on the states.
Does some one know the recent history of VA better then I do.
Virginians surprised the world and tossed Eric Cantor out of office in a jaw dropping defeat to the globalist amnesty agenda.
Hillary Clinton's machine got Terry McAuliffe, or Cauliflower as spell check likes to call him. Anyway, Clinton got Mcauliffe into the governors office in 2014 in preparation for her 2016 run for President.
McAuliffe forever damaged the election process of Virginia. Now only democrats who do the bidding of the Clinton machine can get elected.
Along with destroying the free choice of the people of Virginia, Hillary has destroyed the ideal of a 'peaceful transfer of power", what else is she willing to destroy?
For me, the Virginia Militia is a seemingly small thing whose import is disclosed by the huge shadow it casts.
"all the proposed laws" is the operative phrase, imo. So far, everything proposed is unconstitutional and will have to go up the appropriate channels in order to be smacked down. It is annoying but it would be worse if the President (D or R) had to power to stop a legislative process (constitutional or not) before it has even begun.
I'm torn on this issue. I want to agree with you because the state is violating their citizen's constitutional rights, but I also hate the idea of big federal government getting it's nose in a state's issue.
But... As I typed that ^ out, I began to think harder about it and I think it is clear that the 2nd amendment violations supercede state rights. Once the laws are passed, they need to be reviewed by the federal judiciary, and Trump need to be prepared to send in some boots if the Virginia law enforcement agencies turn on their own citizen's.
This. Through the courts, Trump's beautiful remade constitutional courts.
You might be onto something.
It makes no sense for them to be pushing this hard, this fast, right now with Trump in the Whitehouse.
It isn't a state's issue. They are directly violating an enumerated right spelled out in the Constitution. If I remember right, states' rights only come into play regarding what isn't spelled out in the Constitution.
I believe the 10th says that if it's Not in the Constitution, it resides with "the States, or the People."
I believe Trump is well aware (and so is Jr and Eric, etc.) and I believe he will talk about this, at the next rally if not sooner.
At the 2nd A city hall forum last night in Va Bch Scott Pressler reported volunteers registering people to vote, and he was talking with people who had not voted Trump in 2016 but were going to vote for him in 2020--it may all play out better than we think.
Trump uses all attention on issues, bad and good. He knows we need to get involved to help save the country, and it looks like the threat to the 2 A is waking up people faster than a large espresso ever will. The entire country of Trump supporters and gun owners has eyes on the 2A and VA right now, and that's a good thing.
So support 2A, join the NRA, train with your new gun, make your voice heard, vote---we do our part, Trump does his. He'll have our backs.
They made a statement I believe; don't have it in front of me
This
This is what happens when convicts get to vote your protections away.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/04/22/about-200000-convicted-felons-in-virginia-will-now-have-the-right-to-vote-in-november/
My brother, a resident of Virginia, USMC combat vet, and 2nd amendment supporter, has rather downplayed this. He pointed out that there are 8000 National Guard members in VA, of which 2500 are actually active duty. Those are not likely to support any sort of gun grab, even if Gov Blackface tries to use the NG for it (which he can't b/c they are charged with support of the Constitution, not the state). Bro thinks it will be a very long time before any new laws are implemented, if at all. There are about 2.4 million gun owners in Virginia, and those are just the legal ones. 2.4 million against 2500 NG is some pretty wild odds. Even if a law is passed, there is no way that the state gov't can enforce it.
He's working on getting a 6th Supreme Court justice to secure the 2nd Amendment going forward.
Sue sue sue.
Silver lining is people are freaking the F out about it.
When local government over-steps it's authority you have to challenge it in court, then fight it through the courts if you lose the first round or two.
POTUS cannot step in until after the deed is done, right now all you have is fear mongering, once your rights are infringed then you have a case to take to court.
You might even get a case before the courts prior to the laws becoming active, a court can grant a stay if you prove your points.
What are YOU doing to help yourself?
One problem is that the 2nd Amendment hasn't been incorporated against the states like many of the other Amendments. The Constitution was written to only restrict the Federal government, which meant that the states could place any restrictions on arms they deemed fit and it wouldn't violate the Constitution in any way.
Maybe one day the SCOTUS will get off its ass and clearly define the 2nd Amendment as the intended individual right to own and carry firearms AND incorporate it so that states are restricted in their power by it just like the Federal government is supposed to be restricted by it.
Good question. Virginia is the big story most aren't discussing, except for us here.
I bet that the Iran story will die down in a week (Iran hopefully seems interested in just saber rattling). In my opinion, if civil war is to break out in the United States, the likeliest place is in Virginia, and specifically when they begin confiscating peoples guns. Hopefully I am wrong.
As a Republic, the power lies in the hands of the people. The people of VA have done somethings to counter this travesty against their Constitutional right. However, I would think that fighting this in the courts, all the way up to SCOTUS if need be, would be the way to go, rather than compel the federal government to get involved and establish precedent by which a future 'Obama' would simply impose his will on the states.
They are being deliberately provocative - Why?
Does some one know the recent history of VA better then I do.
Virginians surprised the world and tossed Eric Cantor out of office in a jaw dropping defeat to the globalist amnesty agenda.
Hillary Clinton's machine got Terry McAuliffe, or Cauliflower as spell check likes to call him. Anyway, Clinton got Mcauliffe into the governors office in 2014 in preparation for her 2016 run for President.
McAuliffe forever damaged the election process of Virginia. Now only democrats who do the bidding of the Clinton machine can get elected.
Along with destroying the free choice of the people of Virginia, Hillary has destroyed the ideal of a 'peaceful transfer of power", what else is she willing to destroy?
For me, the Virginia Militia is a seemingly small thing whose import is disclosed by the huge shadow it casts.
No thanks
States rights let them get it on.
The moment it passes and talks of 'confiscation' begins, he should task the national guard with removing the governor.
The people need to just depose the governor and the senate and call a re-election. It is clear that they both cheated and are not fit to govern.
"all the proposed laws" is the operative phrase, imo. So far, everything proposed is unconstitutional and will have to go up the appropriate channels in order to be smacked down. It is annoying but it would be worse if the President (D or R) had to power to stop a legislative process (constitutional or not) before it has even begun.
This question belongs on Ask The_Donald, not here.