"Woman trying to prove ‘vegans can do anything’ among four dead on Mount Everest"
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Vegan or no, that's pretty awful. Dude lost his wife. Pray for them.
What they proved is they are stupid. Everest is dangerous under normal conditions, and has been even more dangerous recently.
Everest is a tourist attraction for people doing Ego Maintenance.
Everest is a 'goal' for lost and/or shallow males.
"LMS (Lost Male Syndrome)... That's why lone male adventure stories of heading out into the massive wilderness, or the massive seas attracts males. They imagine it can convert them into something better. The missing answer. That somehow engaging with the bigness of nature will create a new bigness of character in themselves. And upon attaining this new Holy character, through a form of suffering...forcing Society to take notice and give them a medal via a shortcut...that they'll gain the satisfaction they're searching for. But its a doomed quest, like silly moths clamouring for a light... there is no lasting satisfaction because when they get to the top, or soon on return, the experience quickly morphs into an anti-climax. And another 'goal' starts welling up inside"...[Excerpt: http://thedogsmanifesto.weebly.com/]
That indulgent $150k or so spent scaling Everest could have been put to much better use elsewhere in life.
Yup. Jesus is what they seek. Whether they know it or not. The ultimate bigness.
The article is 4 years old. At this point hopefully he has worked through the grieving process.
cold blooded AF
It is very difficult for a vegan to create and make healthy babies.
So the answer is, no, you didn't lose much.
"Women and children first" morality is useful only if there are children or the promise of children or grandchildren.
Every vegan I know has healthy babies or is pregnant and I run a vegan pregnancy group and we have people day in and day out come change their diet and increase their fertility conceiving w/o help. A plant predominant diet is the best for fertility and raising a child, not vegan, or junk food vegan, but whole plants mostly. The conservative movement will extinct themselves while vegans repopulate the earth and vote for 100 years each one. Look at Loma Linda, it’s fucking cocoon like the movie, 7th day Adventist’s eat mostly vegan and the tennis courts are filled with 90 year olds kicking ass. You want to compound your vote go take a Pritikin or Ornish lifestyle course covered by medicare
The vegan diet is tricky, and some people have gotten famously bad results.
It’s just an ideology, can be a Thai Jay religious vegan, a 7th Day Adventist Vegan, Buddhist vegan in Taiwan and japan can be vegan. There are asshole vegans just like there are asshole Christians, but the women usually care deeply about animals and people
You know why your comment got not a single upvote? Because no one likes a kick-em-when-they're-down shrewd little faggot who says shit they don't need to say * to people who are suffering. Fuck off ?
Edit * I say shit I don't need to say all the time ??
you know who got downvoted even more?
The smug self righteous asshole
Apparently there is a thing as a right wing SJW
Top comment in thread ?
Mods: why was my comment deleted? His comment calling me a self righteous asshole stays, but my comment calling him a dipshit is removed? This isn't the first time my comments have been deleted that haven't been threatening or inappropriate. Don't censor my fucking comments please and thank you.
My parents lived in Alaska, and said the same - the cold forced them to eat a high-fat diet in order to survive.
I've read that Eskimos, who eat virtually nothing but fat and protein, generally have almost no dental cavities, heart disease, stroke, diabetes, or depression. Their teeth wear down from using them as tools, and they die in their 50s from running their body furnace faster to keep warm, but that's the tradeoff.
They have horrible heart disease and even ancient Inuit had calcified arteries. It was a scam from this coward psychopath Admiral Steffanson who abandoned his men for death and had a child with an Inuit woman who died at 45 of heart disease. Atkins copied him and now the internet spreads this insanity that harms conservative men...
That would be first people/Eskimos who have switched from a traditional diet to the standard western diet. Look at the work Weston Price did back in the 1920s and 1930s. He studied healthy indigenous people worldwide and what diet they ate. Diets were varied. However the Masai who primarily live on drinking the blood of cattle and the Eskimos who live almost entirely on fat. No purely vegan culture was found. There is a good reason why that is true.
Correct. Modern Eskimos also smoke a fuck ton of cigarettes.
There are other examples besides the Masai, such as the Sami in northern Scandinavia. They are reindeer herders and live exclusively on reindeer meat. Their median life expectancy is 80, which is higher than U.S.
Yep, Alaskan Akutaq common recipe: snow, bear fat or seal fat, mashed with blueberries. The body needs a high animal fat diet to trudge through the ice and snow. Peanuts and broccoli won’t cut it.
THanks for saying what I was going to go all scientific and boring about.
Just this: Each primate reading this is physically optimized to metabolize the healthy saturated fat (mostly) and complete proteins of other animals.
"Transvoria" isn't a thing
Not at all. Read the Presidential Advisory on Saturated Fat from the AHA. Even from plants the genetically identical Chinese in Singapore have more heart disease than those in Hong Kong due to the tropical oils high in SFA. You can follow it through the body. Majority of people your advice is deadly
Just the opposite.
Diabetes is the 7th leading cause of death in the US, yet the criminals at the American Heart Association have been pimping the idiotic "food pyramid" and a high-carb, low-fat diet for 40 years. Coincidentally 40 years ago the incidence of a whole raft of inflammatory diseases including diabetes was a lot lower than today.
Science says the human body requires essential fatty acids from the diet, and essential amino acids (building blocks of proteins) from the diet. Very few vegans get sufficient amounts of these essential molecules on a daily basis.
Science also says there's no such thing as an "essential carbohydrate." You don't need any carbohydrates in the diet to live a healthy life.
Your advice to eat them is deadly.
Why? Sugar molecules are irritants to the vascular endothelial lining. They cause inflammation. They also cause the release of insulin, another irritant to the blood vessels. When they rip tiny lesions in the vessels, the body sends a cholesterol plug to patch it up.
Cholesterol is the hero, not the villain.
It's made in every cell of the body, and if you try to squelch it with Big Pharma's favorite toys, the body makes more. It's a fool's errand designed to keep you on 2-3 prescriptions for life, while they still continue to shove the fucking pyramid up your ass.
Insulin is also the FAT-STORAGE hormone and the APPETITE-STIMULATING hormone. It blocks signals of satiety coming from the stomach, telling you to stop stuffing your face. So if you want to store more body fat and keep being hungry, eat carbs.
Eating saturated fat, conversely, trains the body to burn fat AND shuts off the appetite. It's the best appetite suppressant there is, next to watching impeachment hearings.
If two people happen to read the truths I'm sharing here and elsewhere and decide to go keto or low carb and don't die of diabetes like everyone else in their family did, then my advice is saving lives, not killing them.
Rent a clue.
Its all about their own EGO and boosting their self-esteem.
When the body goes make the mind a weapon.
The article says they were effected by fluid build up in the brain and lungs, is that a dietary issue?
Affected. FTFY.
It's all about the organ meats for carnivores. The liver is nature's multivitamin.
Yes, but rather scary given the diets of modern factory farming.
I've had side-by-side liver of factory-farmed chickens and naturally raised chickens that eat lots of bugs.
The factory-farmed livers are disgusting. The naturally raised liver is as good as foi-gras without the spendy prices.
So scurvy is actually caused by traveling...
In the old days, most certainly so, because you couldn't eat healthy fresh meat and organs while traveling. They don't preserve well.
There's a reason British sailors are called "Limeys".
Conservative movement is bound for extinction with the level of nutrition knowledge, only matched by the utter stupidity of the liberals who don’t procreate any more for the environment. I am going to do my best to help...
Good to take Vit C to counteract nitrosamine formation
Liar but there is vitamin c in the flesh of marine animals if eaten quickly
how did you become a cripple pede
What they can do is murder their little babies they deny a healthy human diet
https://nypost.com/2019/11/18/vegan-parents-accused-of-starving-18-month-old-son-to-death-on-raw-food-diet/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vegan-mom-accused-of-feeding-baby-only-nuts-and-berries/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6709713/Vegan-parents-starve-5-month-old-son-death-switching-doctor-prescribed-formula.html
This is sad. You can be a healthy vegan though but it is much more complicated and requires a good understanding of what your body needs and what food is and how it works in metabolism, perhaps regular checkups at the dr.
It's always sad to hear about these idiots killing their kids because they read a pinterest article and now think they an expert nutritionist and dietitian. Veganism is hard, inconvenient, and inefficient, also requires tons of planning. Imagine the counter where you feed a kid only pork.. that kid is going to be malnourished and die because your body needs a ton of things and you have to try hard to get them in plants, you can you can't just say "this is a plant, so it is all I need" no more than you can say "this is wheat bread and all I need" or "this is a steak and all I need".
These people should be arrested.
"You can be a healthy vegan though"
im afraid not. And no i do not want to debate this
It's not possible, you need supplements to stay healthy.
Agree to disagree, thanks
You don't need to debate if you've already lost: Veganism in general is unhealthy, but you're going further and saying without evidence that there isn't one healthy vegan alive, which is statistically so unlikely as to be virtually impossible.
It's only a tiny minority who can master the daily chore of balancing the essential fatty acids with essential amino acids coming from only plant and fungus sources, and the enormous quantities of food necessary to get those levels of nutrients.
I'm arguing aginst both veganism and absolutism, I guess LOL
You don’t have to, the USDA Dietary guidelines cover healthy vegans. Less than 3% of Americans meet the guidelines regardless of eating animals or not.
No, not in the long run you can't. Vegetarianism is a bit different because you can get a lot of the nutritional value of meat from butter, eggs, milk and cheese. There are essential nutrients like B12 and K2-MK4 that are ONLY found in meat. Depending on your genetics, you may not be able to process beta carotene AT ALL, which is the only vegan version of Vitamin A. It's also well documented that vegan foods are low in iron and calcium, which are absolutely essential for bone density and healthy blood. Finally, the DHA Omega-3 fatty acids are only found in meat and are essential for brain health. As an adult you can live on a vegan diet but you will suffer deficiencies in the long run as your fat stores run out of vitamins to supplement your terrible diet with. This can come in the form of anxiety, anemia, brain fog, bone density loss, etc. There is nothing healthy about veganism. It is a starvation diet and like fasting, if done for too long it just becomes anorexia. Your genetic mileage may vary, but the healthiest diet for humans is a more ketogenic one with plenty of fats and low carbs.
This guy sciences.
B12 is from bacteria and 15%+ of elderly are deficient and not vegan. Vegans got the message and take b12
Right, because they are not eating enough meat. You'll notice I recommended a ketogenic diet and usually to do that correctly you gotta get a lot of your calories from zero carb sources like meat. Your body gets worse at synthesizing nutrients from alternative sources with time, and metabolism overall also slows down so it's best to fill your plate with meat and lay off carbs and sugar.
I also mentioned MK4 Vitamin K2, iron, calcium, DHA Omega-3s, etc that are either only found in meat or hard to accrue in necessary quantities from a vegan diet.
Part of the reason it's difficult to get enough calcium in a vegan diet is because plants actually have antinutrients that prevent absorption of certain things, like calcium. For instance, spinach has oxalates and phytic acid that prevent absorption of calcium and will bind to calcium and prevent your intestines from absorbing them and it will just pass through in your stool. The reason plants have these antinutrients is to defend against overconsumption by herbivores and insects.
Herbivores have evolved longer guts and multiple stomachs to get around plant defenses. The human gut is more like a carnivores than not.
I think marijuana, as well as nuts, seeds and algae contain omega 3s. Look at a breakdown of what is in spirulina for example. The reason meat contains so many of the things we need though is because they eat the plants that contain them. Also vegetables when not cleaned of soil (cows dont wash their veggies) they consume the bacteria that you need which is one of the things whole foods (store not diet) vegans need supplements.
Anyway, I'm not a dietitian nor a vegan but I think humanity eventually goes this route to support the population due to the space it take to have cattle vs plants in say vertical gardens or on spaceships. That or lab meat, you can't have tons of food to feed the output of hundreds of lbs of meat in a confined space, the numbers dont really work.
I'd say to check out the things the world health organization says referencing the Marshall islands (dr brenda davis) and the long term study on the standard American diet vs plant based (dr esselstyn) or China study (dr campbell).
Theres probably something also to the 100+ yrs old on that board (world health org) that are vegans/vegetarians and are experts in this field and look like they are 60. Idk, I like burgers and tried vegan for a bit before quitting bc I can't carry pounds of veggies around and literally eat all day to get the calories I need, maybe if i like the act of eating more i could or cared about living as long as possible.
do you have multiple stomachs to digest the plant matter?
there are smokers that live to 100 but they're not the rule.
milk and eggs are space and resource efficient. though you said it yourself, you "can't carry pounds of veggies around.. to get the calories..." That doesn't sound space efficient to me.
Sorry, my point was food yield, for a cow you need about 1 acre (depends on state, but between 1.5 and 2 acres for 2 calves) you slaughter them at 3 years, if they are 1k lbs, you get around 430 lbs meat, so after 3 years 860 lbs meat.
1 acre can grow a good (not great) yield of 12k lbs kale in 1 year, so the same 2 acres over 3 years Is 72k lbs of kale which Is really nutrient dense and you would have to supplement, but you can't eat just meat either and would have to supplement.
You could compare calories and beef is about 4x calories, so just caloric intake you could get 840k calories in beef vs 16 million calories in kale.
Beef is harder to care for, requires more food and the end result would require more supplements to be healthy than kale for example.
This is my argument. And you can be completely healthy on a vegan diet but it is much harder and you have to do a lot of research, the meat and 3 kind of diet is generally easy and covers your bases but then you get things like type 2 diabetes (to much fat which goes from your liver to your pancreas we recently confirmed this in a study), and heart diseases (the studies I mentioned before).
Again I'm not a vegan, it is a hassle and I'm a big guy who would rather eat a cliff bar and a dinner instead of eating literally all day, but something unrelated Is I did this vegan diet while getting bloodwork every other day for about 35 days and all of my levels and organs were healthy and functioning properly. Did echocardiograms, pulmonary function scans, ekgs, full bloodwork labs, the entire gamut. My fiance has been a vegan for more than 3 years and drs always comment on how healthy she is and tell her to keep doing what she is doing though she doesn't get as thorough of tests as I do.
Another side note is that oreos are vegan, if you eat only oreos you will die of malnutrition while being a vegan, it's about eating what your body needs and knowing making a diet that includes all the weird plants seeds nuts that are scattered through the world to include them in your diet, idk if you could be a healthy vegan 50 years ago but we can do it now, and eat dirt on your veggies for b12 or take a supplement.
i don't think your beef vs kale comparison makes sense. the caloric value of a lb of kale vs lb of beef is far greater than 1:4. for starters, you can't digest kale. just because you get x calories of heat from burning kale doesn't mean your stomach can ignite the kale and absorb the heat...
then you kind of acknowledge this in a way when you say it's much harder to live vegan. it's not just nutritional research, it's calories and quality of calories. fat is good, sugar is bad. your statement of t2 diabeetus and heart disease is way off, all the modern research points to carbs as the cause of t2 and heart disease, not fat.
i don't think the world can support a vegan lifestyle nor do i think it should. the majority of the world does not have the resources or luxury of subsisting on organic grass fed nuts and beans nor should they want to. the strongest and healthiest of humans had/have easy access to high quality meat. some research goes so far as to suggest that human evolution and development was a result of gaining access to abundant meat and not kale smoothies.
at a meta level, it's easier to eat the animals that do all the work of digestion and nutrient accumulation for you. herbivores spend the majority of their time and energy eating. and not solving differential equations. it's basically why cows don't rule the world.
Many of the countries with the highest life expectancy like Iceland and Hong Kong are big time meat eaters. The average Icelander eats more than 200 pounds of fish a year. And that's just fish, not counting beef, chicken, puffin, lamb, pork etc. The average person in Hong Kong lives to be 84 and they eat more than 50% more beef than Americans do per person.
The key difference between them and the U.S. is the American diet is more vegetable based. American diet is more wheat, corn, potatoes and soy than anything else.
Nuts and seeds and marijuana do not have DHA Omega-3 (not ALA Omega-3, which is usually plant based and not what your brain actually runs on). Only algae does from that list, which is not really a plant at all.
"Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) is an omega-3 fatty acid that is a primary structural component of the human brain, cerebral cortex, skin, and retina."
Ok your body can take some ALA Omega-3 and try to synthesize DHA from it, but this process is inefficient and becomes less efficient as you get older. So as you age, DHA becomes critically important to prevent mental decline. Don't play dice with your health. Eat meat. Fatty fish like salmon is great. Fatty meats like steak are great. Eggs are super healthy, too.
Raw foodists are mentally ill. 1 shitty vegan parent out of millions vs endless shitty omnivores parents out of billions is not a strong argument. Pediatricians see infants at regular intervals and give grade cards and this family was neglectful
Growing bodies especially need essential nutrients like DHA, B12, K2, protein in high quantities, vitamin A (some people can't synthesize vitamin A from plant based beta carotene), iron and calcium. These are all critical nutrients and you cannot get these as a vegan baby or child.
Notice that mammals all start out life on milk, which is high in fat. Humans have very long maturation periods. It takes us an extraordinary amount of time to mature to adults compared with most species. Our bodies are very sensitive to nutrition and more than people realize it affects memory, mood, and many other mental processes. Whether or not there are shitty omnivore parents, you gotta understand that one particular way to be a shitty parent is to feed your child a vegan diet. It will hamper their physical growth and mental development. Full stop. It is beyond dangerous and people need to understand this.
Your brain is a piece of sophisticated machinery, it's probably the most complex organ on the planet, of any species to have ever existed. Why would you feed it anything less than high octane fuel? What you eat matters.
Ironically the brain runs on glucose—a dangerous simple sugar molecule which you need never feed it. Fortunately the body makes all it needs out of fat and protein.
This story is 3 years old.
Boomers keep forwarding shit like it just happened.
Trump is a boomer.
The boomer bashing can stop any time.
Once Sir Edmond Hillary did it with Tenzing Norgay it was over. They both went to the top with nothing more than warm animal pelts, sketchy oxygen equipment and balls the size of elephants.
Anyone else that tries to do it is like pretending to Run the Marathon in a Segway. You really didn't do it. It's NOT the same. And if you died while doing it? You're a total dipshit.
Of course they the right to exist, but my version of America First doesn't involve Israel, whatsoever.
we shouldn't do anything with the middle east
This is from 2 years ago. Is there a reason it's reposted now?
You can’t have any pudding, if you don’t eat your meat.
Not zucchini, fettucini, or bulgar wheat, but a big warm bun and a huge hunk of meat.
HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat!?!?!?
One comment mentions this is 2 years old. Another says 3 years. It's actually over 3 1/2 years old. WTF? How about a reply as to why this is being posted now.
You'll never escape the KARMA FARMERS
Was just about to mention those idiots that biked through the middle East and expected not to be killed. "Evil is just a social construct, maaan".
Tough to believe that when you have no fucking head.
Why the fuck are you directly linking to Washington compost?
Washington Post link - years old article. Nothing to do with President Trump whatsoever.
<Super Mario Bros music plays>
Nope nope nope, no nope nope, nope. Nope, nope-nope. Nopenopenopenope. Nope nope-nope.
(Goes down pipe)
Denim denim denim. Denim denim denim...
I feel so bad for all their families and the man who lost his wife, vegan or not..
But this goes to show you how brainwashed by propaganda people can be. The video said, "They were vegan because they didn't want to contribute global warming," A fake bunch of propaganda led them to make choices that cost 1 of them their lives, and ruined the survivor's life.
The husband probably wont ever recover properly, because he probably won't ever eat meat, and truly allow his body to heal.
The article talked about how they couple had to wait over 2 years for the conditions on Everest to ease up.. but this likely contributed to the final outcome. You see, the vegan diet destroys your body when you stay on it for too long of a time. Your body literally starts to eat its own muscle tissues to get the nutrients it is missing after 4 or 5 years of strict veganism. The extra time waiting made them weaker. They may have had a chance to best Everest if they had tried a few years earlier, before the full catabolic effects of veganism took hold.
It takes nowhere near that long. If you don't consume adequate protein, your body very soon starts breaking down muscle tissue to get it. It has no choice. And 11% of that will be hard muscle, the kind that burns fat while at rest.
Vegans are basically doing everything wrong biochemically, to do right by the invented story they're telling themselves called How Wrong It Is to Kill Animals to Eat Them—Or Even to Consume Their Healthy Saturated Fat Via Milk or Eggs Without Harming the Animal—But How Right and Pure and Virtuous It Is to Kill Plants and Fungi to Eat Them. They never stop for one second to ask themselves WTF.
Killing is killing. Every critter great and small must do it, or die. Ask God why later, if you can
they probably got early signs of being sick but decided to stay and tough it out.
the whole venture was dumb
anyone who dies on Everest was asking for it.
I'm so sad to hear this - many others died on this expedition as well. This is an enormous loss of life in the climbing community, and a sad day. I lift the families of all in prayer.
The Mountain has its own way.
Obama was president when this happened. Old news and zilch to do with Trump.
The altitude at the highest Base Camp on Everest is several thousand feet higher than the peak of Aconcagua, the next tallest of the Seven Summits.
Washington post from 2016... bru
This article is three years old.
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Proof being vegan does not make you healthy.
climate change is a killer.
"they experienced criticism because of it".
I hate pompous vegans who make it their life goal to inform me of their choices and prove their choice is right, but I've never criticized anyone over it. Reaching much?
Their first 8K mountain makes them experienced? Himalayan High Altitude climbing isn't the same as Kilimanjaro or Denali, Human hubris litter the route to the Summit.
I'm going to bet that her lack of animal proteins in her diet caused her to have decreased hemoglobin levels and contributed to her demise. Altitudes above 10,000 feet are nothing to mess around with.
Mount Everest: ironic.
WAY TO GO WOMEN. ANAOTHER STUPID MOVE!
With the proper preparations and food brought with them, I don't see why a vegan couldn't climb Everest. I love my tasty animals, don't get me wrong, but I see no reason why a carb-heavy diet would not work for any physical activity. Carbs can be just as energy dense as fats.
No, you are thinking of kcals versus kcals. It is not just a BTU battle up there.
Nutritionally, fat is king for climbing at altitude. There is more to it than raw fuel to think of, especially when digestion and deletion need to be factored.
It is why astronauts were not fed pasta, beans and rice before a launch.
High fat, high protein, low residue foods.
Upvoted but
1 Calorie (capital C) = 1,000 calories (1 kcal)
What did you mean
Kilo calorie versus calorie. Dietitian calorie versus physics calorie. Nice catch! Thanks!
Nah, it's easier to get iron from meats, sure, but we can get it from rabbit food too. Spinach, etc.
Actually you have to eat the bones of the rabbit to stay healthy. Otherwise you get what is called 'rabbit wasting' disease, since they are so lean (tissue wise).
Ask any Spec Ops vet.
But in order to get iron from spinach, I'd have to eat spinach.
So right away there's an impassable roadblock.
Pretty sure the iron you get in spinach isn't the same as what meat has in it.
I think people are interested because it's yet another woman going off to do something to prove a point and ending up dead. Like those "single female travelers" out there.
Actually, I retract that. I just realized from my own personal experiences with ketosis while I had a couple significant unhealed wounds that there is one enormous difference in the body between a carb diet, and a protein/animal fat diet. Your body responds to infection and injury with much more swelling and fluid buildup when you are eating carbs.
She died due to swelling on her brain, her husband nearly died due to swelling in his lungs. If they had both been in ketosis, the swelling might not have gotten bad enough to kill them. The swelling might have even been insignificant enough to allow them to complete the climb.
Yes because carbs by their nature are inflammatory.
People who spout off about the magical anti-inflammatory properties of this or that breakthrough dietary supplement, while eating a typical carb-loaded American diet based on the demonic food pyramid, crack me up
Very sad, very sad
She didnt look healthy
Is she the first vegan to die on the Everest? If so, vegans are pretty much smarter than the rest of us.
This is foolish to form a hypothesis to prove your beliefs under circumstances that are still deadly under ideal conditions. What you should be doing is making dispassionate observations and allowing them to form your ideas. The need to prove that they're right in the face of expertise is foolhardy. To believe you are more right because you are strenuously emotional in your convictions is a childish way to go through life.
I still don't understand why people do things like this. I can understand if it was for science, or maybe even if you were the first person to climb it, but it's been done before, many, many times. Go do something useful instead of dying in a stupid mountains for absolutely no reason.
Honestly, I was a veg for 15 years and I was just as strong as I am now. Way more healthy, but I stopped giving a shit about what I eat. Did gain a ton of weight from eating meat tho. That was the only change in diet and I gained 100 lbs. Was a fat cunt for a long time.
Great way to constantly be hungry: Do two things that make the body hungry. Exercise, and restrict calorie intake.
That advice is why diets uniformly don't work, and when people regain the weight they gain a little extra.
Exercise is good. But the thing to count isn't calories as much as CARBS. If you eat mainly fat, followed by protein, you won't need to count calories. You'll feel full and stop eating before they become a problem.
That said, you can overdo it by overeating. The trick is to eat very few carbs, eat what you like of the fat and protein groups, and stop when you're pleasantly full, not stuffed.
Unless they do it 2-3 hours a day, exercise won't make a person lose weight if they eat the food pyramid style of loading up on carbs. They'll just be sweaty, fat, and hungry. Even marathon runners can be pre-diabetic if they eat too many carbs. One was on the cover of Runner's World three times, can't recall his name but he did the (formerly free) Carb Loaded video that you now have to PAY for on youtube (boo).
Worth it for your life, but anyway
Fat and protein are essential, carbs are not. So, enjoy life, and understand any time you tire of the spare tire from the fat-storage hormone, insulin, the power is in your hands. Calories = 70% fat, 25%-30% protein, 0-5% carbs. Get ready to buy new smaller clothes.
You'll thank me later, trust me (the anonymous internet account :)
Fake news.
Never heard of keto athletes? Nepalese sherpas? Rent a clue.