Yeah it's very important that the protests remain peaceful. They need to exist and they need to be large, but it's not time for a physical confrontation yet.
My concern is that the FBI or CIA will goad some a****** online into doing something stupid.
Shooting at some national guardsmen or congressman will not help the cause. The purpose of a protest is to gain public sympathy, this is why protest should never be violent.
Violence has to be the last option, period. And when it does become necessary, it has to be applied strategically in order to undermine and bring about the collapse of the existing power structure, not win a PR battle.
The people calling for another 1776 over this are fools. Go peacefully and let Northam have you arrested for doing something that was legal before he came to power. Become a legal martyr, that's how you open normies eyes.
Do not go popping off with some random act of violence which leads to your death and the legitimization of Northam's program at the same time.
Be brave and be smart. Think about the consequences of your actions
I don't want to, I like this state, but peaceful protests and voting can only do so much. The politicians are playing a dangerous game and I'm not sure what to expect from these events.
Don’t move from Virginia. I did it (to Indiana) and I hate that I am one less voice to stand against all of this. I love living in a conservative state, but I feel like a coward for not being in a state that needs conservative voices now more than ever.
Explain to me exactly what you want to happen and how you think it would play out.
Perhaps you dream that armed protestors will spontaneously develop military discipline, gun down the national guard, storm the capitol of Virginia, burn it down and kill all the Democrats. Then the rest of the country says, "holy shit they really kicked their ass, we'll never fuck with the second amendment again!"
Is this your idea?
Because here's the reality. One guy pops off and everybody starts screaming and chaos breaks out. Republican politicians denounce, all conservative talking heads denounce, MSM runs stories about how the shooter is a white supremacist. Northam asks for federal help to disarm violent white nationalist fascist terrorist agitators in his state and now Trump has to comply or be branded with it.
Stop being a fool. Think things through, don't be ruled by your emotions. This country is a gigantic behemoth composed of millions of people and you can't change it's course with a rash, random, and frankly immoral acts of violence.
What you need to remember is that things are not as bad as you think.
Trump is our president, we have 5 conservatives sitting on the supreme Court (yeah I know Roberts and Kavenaugh are suspect), and if we can get Trump re-elected that'll get us up to 7 seats.
If Trump gets re-elected, and we only have to wait less than a year before we find out, then all of this goes away, the second amendment will be secured for a generation.
You don't start fights that you don't mean to finish. Now is not the time to start a full-blown civil war, it may not look like it based on what the press is feeding you, and based on this crazy impeachment crap, but we are winning the political battle. Not only that the Democrats in Virginia are shooting themselves in the foot.
Now is not the time for this kind of nonsense. In fact, I suspect Northam is trying to trigger a reaction here. Because if somebody does get violent on the 20th, it will be using this as an excuse to pull even harsher laws.
So unless you and your buddies are ready to give up on the political process which we actually appear to be winning, and start a full-blown civil war within Virginia, you're only going to end up getting f***** even harder right now. And if you make a big enough splash, you might create a situation where the supreme Court dreams up a special exception to the second amendment.
I know it's pissing you off, if you want to do something brave and useful, get yourself arrested in act of peaceful civil disobedience.
"Stop being a fool. Think things through . . . this country is sparsely populated . . . you can change history with rash, random acts against a rich, organized, British Army." Go to Hell, Loyalist.
I see now you're George Washington and Thomas Jefferson?
Completely different f****** situation. All you idiots are doing is making things worse.
I want the same things as you, but all of this impotent rage won't get you anywhere.
you don't have 10% of the population willing to resort to violence at this point. You don't have .01% of the population.
You want to be brave? Go protest or at least try the route of civil disobedience first.
You want to be a martyr? At least wait until they bring armed men to your house to take away your guns, so that you were acting in self-defense. Don't join up with a bunch of people who will be branded as Nazis to shoot at national guardsmen.
Do you think a liberals managed to take over our system because of violence? All that did was slow down their progress. They got to where they got through quiet persistence. The infiltrated organizations over decades and decades. They practiced civil disobedience.
Or whatever, just talk a bunch of violent s*** in the internet. maybe you'll manage to talk some mentally unstable idiot in the shooting at a national guardsman, and then they'll come for all of our guns right now with popular support from the electorate.
Yeah it's very important that the protests remain peaceful. They need to exist and they need to be large, but it's not time for a physical confrontation yet.
My concern is that the FBI or CIA will goad some a****** online into doing something stupid.
Shooting at some national guardsmen or congressman will not help the cause. The purpose of a protest is to gain public sympathy, this is why protest should never be violent.
Violence has to be the last option, period. And when it does become necessary, it has to be applied strategically in order to undermine and bring about the collapse of the existing power structure, not win a PR battle.
The people calling for another 1776 over this are fools. Go peacefully and let Northam have you arrested for doing something that was legal before he came to power. Become a legal martyr, that's how you open normies eyes.
Do not go popping off with some random act of violence which leads to your death and the legitimization of Northam's program at the same time.
Be brave and be smart. Think about the consequences of your actions
If it comes to it, I will move out of Virginia.
I don't want to, I like this state, but peaceful protests and voting can only do so much. The politicians are playing a dangerous game and I'm not sure what to expect from these events.
and I just moved here from CA.
ooooofff lol I'm sorry but welcome to VA, if you aren't in fucking NOVA I'm sure you know the rest of VA isn't as cucked as up here.
Yep I hear ya. Unfortunately I am in NOVA.
Don’t move from Virginia. I did it (to Indiana) and I hate that I am one less voice to stand against all of this. I love living in a conservative state, but I feel like a coward for not being in a state that needs conservative voices now more than ever.
Let's all just keep moving until all freedom-loving Patriots live in a Gulag in the Mid-West!
Explain to me exactly what you want to happen and how you think it would play out.
Perhaps you dream that armed protestors will spontaneously develop military discipline, gun down the national guard, storm the capitol of Virginia, burn it down and kill all the Democrats. Then the rest of the country says, "holy shit they really kicked their ass, we'll never fuck with the second amendment again!"
Is this your idea?
Because here's the reality. One guy pops off and everybody starts screaming and chaos breaks out. Republican politicians denounce, all conservative talking heads denounce, MSM runs stories about how the shooter is a white supremacist. Northam asks for federal help to disarm violent white nationalist fascist terrorist agitators in his state and now Trump has to comply or be branded with it.
Stop being a fool. Think things through, don't be ruled by your emotions. This country is a gigantic behemoth composed of millions of people and you can't change it's course with a rash, random, and frankly immoral acts of violence.
What you need to remember is that things are not as bad as you think.
Trump is our president, we have 5 conservatives sitting on the supreme Court (yeah I know Roberts and Kavenaugh are suspect), and if we can get Trump re-elected that'll get us up to 7 seats.
If Trump gets re-elected, and we only have to wait less than a year before we find out, then all of this goes away, the second amendment will be secured for a generation.
You don't start fights that you don't mean to finish. Now is not the time to start a full-blown civil war, it may not look like it based on what the press is feeding you, and based on this crazy impeachment crap, but we are winning the political battle. Not only that the Democrats in Virginia are shooting themselves in the foot.
Now is not the time for this kind of nonsense. In fact, I suspect Northam is trying to trigger a reaction here. Because if somebody does get violent on the 20th, it will be using this as an excuse to pull even harsher laws.
So unless you and your buddies are ready to give up on the political process which we actually appear to be winning, and start a full-blown civil war within Virginia, you're only going to end up getting f***** even harder right now. And if you make a big enough splash, you might create a situation where the supreme Court dreams up a special exception to the second amendment.
I know it's pissing you off, if you want to do something brave and useful, get yourself arrested in act of peaceful civil disobedience.
"Stop being a fool. Think things through . . . this country is sparsely populated . . . you can change history with rash, random acts against a rich, organized, British Army." Go to Hell, Loyalist.
I see now you're George Washington and Thomas Jefferson?
Completely different f****** situation. All you idiots are doing is making things worse.
I want the same things as you, but all of this impotent rage won't get you anywhere.
you don't have 10% of the population willing to resort to violence at this point. You don't have .01% of the population.
You want to be brave? Go protest or at least try the route of civil disobedience first.
You want to be a martyr? At least wait until they bring armed men to your house to take away your guns, so that you were acting in self-defense. Don't join up with a bunch of people who will be branded as Nazis to shoot at national guardsmen.
Do you think a liberals managed to take over our system because of violence? All that did was slow down their progress. They got to where they got through quiet persistence. The infiltrated organizations over decades and decades. They practiced civil disobedience.
Or whatever, just talk a bunch of violent s*** in the internet. maybe you'll manage to talk some mentally unstable idiot in the shooting at a national guardsman, and then they'll come for all of our guns right now with popular support from the electorate.