Explain to me exactly what you want to happen and how you think it would play out.
Perhaps you dream that armed protestors will spontaneously develop military discipline, gun down the national guard, storm the capitol of Virginia, burn it down and kill all the Democrats. Then the rest of the country says, "holy shit they really kicked their ass, we'll never fuck with the second amendment again!"
Is this your idea?
Because here's the reality. One guy pops off and everybody starts screaming and chaos breaks out. Republican politicians denounce, all conservative talking heads denounce, MSM runs stories about how the shooter is a white supremacist. Northam asks for federal help to disarm violent white nationalist fascist terrorist agitators in his state and now Trump has to comply or be branded with it.
Stop being a fool. Think things through, don't be ruled by your emotions. This country is a gigantic behemoth composed of millions of people and you can't change it's course with a rash, random, and frankly immoral acts of violence.
What you need to remember is that things are not as bad as you think.
Trump is our president, we have 5 conservatives sitting on the supreme Court (yeah I know Roberts and Kavenaugh are suspect), and if we can get Trump re-elected that'll get us up to 7 seats.
If Trump gets re-elected, and we only have to wait less than a year before we find out, then all of this goes away, the second amendment will be secured for a generation.
You don't start fights that you don't mean to finish. Now is not the time to start a full-blown civil war, it may not look like it based on what the press is feeding you, and based on this crazy impeachment crap, but we are winning the political battle. Not only that the Democrats in Virginia are shooting themselves in the foot.
Now is not the time for this kind of nonsense. In fact, I suspect Northam is trying to trigger a reaction here. Because if somebody does get violent on the 20th, it will be using this as an excuse to pull even harsher laws.
So unless you and your buddies are ready to give up on the political process which we actually appear to be winning, and start a full-blown civil war within Virginia, you're only going to end up getting f***** even harder right now. And if you make a big enough splash, you might create a situation where the supreme Court dreams up a special exception to the second amendment.
I know it's pissing you off, if you want to do something brave and useful, get yourself arrested in act of peaceful civil disobedience.
"Stop being a fool. Think things through . . . this country is sparsely populated . . . you can change history with rash, random acts against a rich, organized, British Army." Go to Hell, Loyalist.
I see now you're George Washington and Thomas Jefferson?
Completely different f****** situation. All you idiots are doing is making things worse.
I want the same things as you, but all of this impotent rage won't get you anywhere.
you don't have 10% of the population willing to resort to violence at this point. You don't have .01% of the population.
You want to be brave? Go protest or at least try the route of civil disobedience first.
You want to be a martyr? At least wait until they bring armed men to your house to take away your guns, so that you were acting in self-defense. Don't join up with a bunch of people who will be branded as Nazis to shoot at national guardsmen.
Do you think a liberals managed to take over our system because of violence? All that did was slow down their progress. They got to where they got through quiet persistence. The infiltrated organizations over decades and decades. They practiced civil disobedience.
Or whatever, just talk a bunch of violent s*** in the internet. maybe you'll manage to talk some mentally unstable idiot in the shooting at a national guardsman, and then they'll come for all of our guns right now with popular support from the electorate.
Must admit, I'm really a bit stressed reading this thread and seeing the responses you are getting.
How is all this not common sense? Violence in this case will be so counter-productive it's not even funny yet I see people not understanding that. All these laws will be struck down, yes it will take years but there is no alternative. A rally where people turn up armed could easily end in a disaster and VA's corrupt governor is praying for exactly that.
maybe you'll manage to talk some mentally unstable idiot in the shooting at a national guardsman, and then they'll come for all of our guns right now with popular support from the electorate.
Exactly what I think some people here want to happen and if they do, they should know the Democratic party is praying for that too.
It's crazy. We have the White House we have the Senate we have the supreme Court, people have no sense of perspective.
If we can just keep our s*** together and play it cool, we might end up with 7 conservatives on the supreme Court, and we will have plenty of time to clean up the Republican party of its corruption. we are absolutely in the best position we have been in this country for a very long time.
But fools want to start a revolutionary war over 1 powermad leftist governor, who is over reaching in a very politically damaging way? They want to justify his program?
It makes no sense. Honestly it smells like manipulation. We know the CIA and FBI etcetera like to go on boards like 4chan and so on, why not here?
Real people need a play a cool things are actually getting better. If you feel like you're not doing enough do a peaceful protest, at least try organized peaceful protesting before you turn straight to rash and immoral violence.
Explain to me exactly what you want to happen and how you think it would play out.
Perhaps you dream that armed protestors will spontaneously develop military discipline, gun down the national guard, storm the capitol of Virginia, burn it down and kill all the Democrats. Then the rest of the country says, "holy shit they really kicked their ass, we'll never fuck with the second amendment again!"
Is this your idea?
Because here's the reality. One guy pops off and everybody starts screaming and chaos breaks out. Republican politicians denounce, all conservative talking heads denounce, MSM runs stories about how the shooter is a white supremacist. Northam asks for federal help to disarm violent white nationalist fascist terrorist agitators in his state and now Trump has to comply or be branded with it.
Stop being a fool. Think things through, don't be ruled by your emotions. This country is a gigantic behemoth composed of millions of people and you can't change it's course with a rash, random, and frankly immoral acts of violence.
What you need to remember is that things are not as bad as you think.
Trump is our president, we have 5 conservatives sitting on the supreme Court (yeah I know Roberts and Kavenaugh are suspect), and if we can get Trump re-elected that'll get us up to 7 seats.
If Trump gets re-elected, and we only have to wait less than a year before we find out, then all of this goes away, the second amendment will be secured for a generation.
You don't start fights that you don't mean to finish. Now is not the time to start a full-blown civil war, it may not look like it based on what the press is feeding you, and based on this crazy impeachment crap, but we are winning the political battle. Not only that the Democrats in Virginia are shooting themselves in the foot.
Now is not the time for this kind of nonsense. In fact, I suspect Northam is trying to trigger a reaction here. Because if somebody does get violent on the 20th, it will be using this as an excuse to pull even harsher laws.
So unless you and your buddies are ready to give up on the political process which we actually appear to be winning, and start a full-blown civil war within Virginia, you're only going to end up getting f***** even harder right now. And if you make a big enough splash, you might create a situation where the supreme Court dreams up a special exception to the second amendment.
I know it's pissing you off, if you want to do something brave and useful, get yourself arrested in act of peaceful civil disobedience.
"Stop being a fool. Think things through . . . this country is sparsely populated . . . you can change history with rash, random acts against a rich, organized, British Army." Go to Hell, Loyalist.
I see now you're George Washington and Thomas Jefferson?
Completely different f****** situation. All you idiots are doing is making things worse.
I want the same things as you, but all of this impotent rage won't get you anywhere.
you don't have 10% of the population willing to resort to violence at this point. You don't have .01% of the population.
You want to be brave? Go protest or at least try the route of civil disobedience first.
You want to be a martyr? At least wait until they bring armed men to your house to take away your guns, so that you were acting in self-defense. Don't join up with a bunch of people who will be branded as Nazis to shoot at national guardsmen.
Do you think a liberals managed to take over our system because of violence? All that did was slow down their progress. They got to where they got through quiet persistence. The infiltrated organizations over decades and decades. They practiced civil disobedience.
Or whatever, just talk a bunch of violent s*** in the internet. maybe you'll manage to talk some mentally unstable idiot in the shooting at a national guardsman, and then they'll come for all of our guns right now with popular support from the electorate.
Must admit, I'm really a bit stressed reading this thread and seeing the responses you are getting.
How is all this not common sense? Violence in this case will be so counter-productive it's not even funny yet I see people not understanding that. All these laws will be struck down, yes it will take years but there is no alternative. A rally where people turn up armed could easily end in a disaster and VA's corrupt governor is praying for exactly that.
Exactly what I think some people here want to happen and if they do, they should know the Democratic party is praying for that too.
Thanks for speaking up, it's been bugging me too.
It's crazy. We have the White House we have the Senate we have the supreme Court, people have no sense of perspective.
If we can just keep our s*** together and play it cool, we might end up with 7 conservatives on the supreme Court, and we will have plenty of time to clean up the Republican party of its corruption. we are absolutely in the best position we have been in this country for a very long time.
But fools want to start a revolutionary war over 1 powermad leftist governor, who is over reaching in a very politically damaging way? They want to justify his program?
It makes no sense. Honestly it smells like manipulation. We know the CIA and FBI etcetera like to go on boards like 4chan and so on, why not here?
Real people need a play a cool things are actually getting better. If you feel like you're not doing enough do a peaceful protest, at least try organized peaceful protesting before you turn straight to rash and immoral violence.