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posted ago by spyWspy ago by spyWspy +18 / -0

So I am not as much pro life as some of you. I used to be pro choice, however. That was probably because everyone in my circle was pro choice, and I am pro liberty. It feels like liberty to be pro choice.

I don’t know if I am ready to outlaw abortion. But I don’t want to pay for it, and don’t want to encourage it. Is that a compromise position that might be acceptable? I don’t know.

But what happened to me was my wife and I tried to have children and didn’t. So we went the medical route. That lead to IVF.

IVF has you looking at and closely paying attention to embryos. IVF is a technology that wouldn’t exist without some middle ground in the rules surrounding embryos. And I am grateful that this technology exists.

But the effort, expense, heart ache, suspense, and eventual success makes you appreciate children quite a lot. I have a very healthy 8 year old son that I love dearly. We did have a frozen embryo that we tried to have become a second child and it failed to become a pregnancy. All of these experiences together put such a value on children that I started considering myself pro life.

I see embryos as potential children and I see developing fetuses as children. I am not prepared to lock up doctors or parents for their abortions. But I fantasize about future technology that turns abortions into very early adoptions. Abortion as it exists today is the legacy of the eugenics movement. I am happy to align myself with people who are stronger pro life than I am. I understand and respect their position.

And as a Trump supporter, I am happy that Trump is pro life.

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spyWspy [S] 1 point ago +2 / -1

How much of this is being driven by welfare laws. Even without getting rid of welfare, the rules could encourage fathers to stay at home. Currently are the woman driving the men away because they get more in benefits? Also are woman contriving to have more children so they can get more money? Without welfare, I imagine far fewer pregnancies.

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SoleimaniSlurry 1 point ago +1 / -0

How much of this is being driven by welfare laws.

You are proposing that most black mothers, when given the choice between maintaining a stable family unit or welfare, will throw their baby under the bus and grab at the gibs with both hands.

That's a disturbing possibility.

the rules could encourage fathers to stay at home

I'm not sure if bribing shitty black fathers to associate with their children is better than allowing the black dad to flee from his responsibilities.

I suppose it depends on how much of a piece of shit those black men are and how much damage their irresponsible, insincere influence would be on the family?

Without welfare, I imagine far fewer pregnancies.

I would hope so because the alternate is having African-style starvation break out in African American communities.

Nobody wants to see starving African Americans with distended bellies, rolling in the dirt in Detroit.