They were pretty hostile responding, but I got to make some points that I think they took seriously:
Trump is helping the economy. Lower regulations, better trade deals, and lower taxes are lifting the poorest Americans up, growing the labor force, and making the economy no longer people's biggest worry.
Trump is the first president in decades not to start wars.
None of the Democrat front runners has the right answers. Bernie is naive about taxes and their costs. Warren is dishonest. Buttigeig is inexperienced. Biden is falling apart, and the people keeping him in the race are engaged in elder abuse.
I also defended some things they attacked with:
Congress is responsible for the children in cages, not Trump. They made the rules, they under funded the courts, they didn't build a wall, and they didn't respond when CBP officials asked for money or rule changes to allow the situation to improve.
Congress is responsible for the deficit, not Trump. They write and pass the budget. Of course, growing the economy will help.
Trump really does have an impact on the economy. Continuing the theme, Congress has given the executive the power to write regulations, negotiate trade, modify tariffs, and other things. Using these powers has serious economic impacts, and Trump is responsible.
I fully conceded some points:
Trump is an asshole to some people on Twitter.
Trump has done scummy New York businessman things in the past.
This still remains contentious:
I think Trump is ignoring the media because the media lies about him constantly. They think this sets a bad precedent, and is bad for transparency.
They think he lies constantly. I think it's mostly exaggeration, and differentiating is important.
Overall, went better than I expected, and I'm glad I spoke up.
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I am so lucky that my family and friends are 100% Trump supporters. My son was the one that pointed me to TheDonald.
Never forget how beautiful it is to have that pede. My family thinks ive gone delusional ?
In my country the Cancernada most people only listen to fake news but luckily or not we had libcon liberal as a provincial party for 15yr. 15yr of hate versus our people 15 yr of raise taxes until its at 50% of our income. 15 yr of pure hated versus liberal. There is still faggot voting for them... But my family always was antiliberal as long as I remember but are progressiste tho because when you remove money of the people they wake the fuck up. So right now my parent are in the normies zone they dont understand what happen but they sure hate Turdeau and are happy we thrown the fuck out the libtard political from our province.
I'm in the same boat. Four kids to two conservative (legal) European immigrants escaping communism. Religious upbringing steeped in a conservative ethnic enclave. Yet I'm the only one who's not an insane commie. I blame it on my parents divorce. They say divorce isn't bad and that it's actually better for the kids, but I totally disagree. It totally destabilized my family and scattered the kids to search for an opposite source of truth than the one they felt betrayed them. I too turned into a crazy liberal for a while until I started picking up the history books. That brought me home. Divorce is a scourge on the nation. Let's try to avoid that shit.
its a beautiful thing, being able to turn on the trump rally’s and watch with the whole fam
I'm sorry your family is hostile just because of who you are voting for. It proves the media tactics do have an effect. I think you can flip them, actually. Good luck!
"......media lies about him constantly..... They think this sets a bad precedent, and is bad for transparency."
The media is not the boss of the President of the United States. POTUS has exhibited the most transparency in government ever. Are they aware of all the speeches, pressers, rallies, the WH website, the state visits, the CDC doing pressers every day on coronavirus, and yes, twitter, and on and on?
Zero: "if you're not going to trust your elected officials, we're going to have a problem"
HER: "No one wants to see how the sausage is made"
Came here to say this. We take his chopper talks for granted. He’s very accessible but not in a way that allows reporters to make themselves look good for their own self-promotion.
Thank you.
"Are they aware of all the speeches, pressers, rallies, the WH website, the state visits, the CDC doing pressers every day on coronavirus, and yes, twitter, and on and on?"
I doubt it. I think they mostly keep up with "major" news sources, so they miss out on a lot of what he's saying. I will bring these things up when there's a round two, though.
Chopper talks. Every few days on his way to or from Marine One on the White House lawn, the President stops and talks directly to the press and answers their questions. He, himself, not a press secretary. This degree of transparency and accessibility is completely unprecedented.
The media doesn't like it because they lose their opportunity to be seen and heard spouting their own talking points. But any claim by the media that he is not accessible is a complete lie.
Tell your family to watch clips on the official White House YouTube channel and they will see a side of him the media does not show.
i applaud you and your family for engaging in dialogue.
most of my fam is dems. rarely is a dialoge possible. it is truly like " if you dont believe like i do then you are evil".
still puzzled how my sis claims to be christian but supports abortion. she tells her kids to work hard in school for their future but supports welfare for any/all. and does not tell her kids - live off government. she lives in exclusive neighborhood in her city but has not invited illegals to live there but is for open borders and using tax payer funds to give them free services us citizens get via taxes.
i refuse to be a punching bag or made to fell i cant think for myself. so sadly we interact only for family occasions in superficial way. lost cause.
That's tragic, and I'm sorry they're like that.
Stay strong. We love you here.
Remember always that the facts are on your side, and the double standards on theirs. You've got support here.
The kids in cages thing is the one thing my ex-friends keep saying. I keep telling them that it's not like they are being treated like monkey's and second that has been a rule since Obama. The cages thing wouldn't exist if we had better protection for the border, stop giving non-citizens welfare and benefits, and had better facilities. Plus a lot of those kids are better off since their parents or people pretending to be their parents had them cross five hundred miles in riskey rape and death infested travel. I don't blame the president, I blame government of congress
Don't forget - those kids aren't in cages anymore. Every picture that shows them in chain link (except maybe a few, I'm not certain - Oh! There was one of a processing station where people stayed for a few hours waiting for a bus to the actual facility) is from the Obama administration.
There are videos on YouTube of recent tours of the facilities where they stay and they are very nice. They are much better than military barracks where I was housed during my career.
And you are right to blame Congress. They could pass a bill in a second to change things but they don't want to hand Trump yet another win.
The biggest change has been that NGOs sent lawyers to help everyone claim asylum whether there's any merit to it or not. There weren't enough judges to keep up with hearing out the cases, so there were longer and longer delays, which means more and more time locked up pending hearings.
Congress could assign more judges, or change the rules to make the hearings faster, or build better holding facilities, or build a wall to keep people out in the first place. Trump can only do those things to the extent Congress has handed that power over to him, and that's what he did.
Good for you. Some people are better off saying nothing to their family. Both options work.
Luckily my Marine father is extremely based. I'm lucky that most of my family is sane (keyword most)
My friends, however, have cast me out.
C'est la vie
That's why you have frens here, pede.
In the very initial response, I was worried they were going to start yelling, or disown me, or something. I'm well aware I'm lucky to have family that listened, and talked about the issues, and entirely understand that not everyone can push the red button to see how wrong it goes.
Now in Bloomberg we have the perfect answer to the charge of scummy NY businessman. He's far nastier.
Bloomberg is currently doing scummy New York businessman things. The fact he didn't get metoo'd out of the race is a testament to how well his lawyers worked that over.
Trump likes pussy. Bloomberg likes money so much he told a woman to kill her baby so she could keep working for him without pause.
He's a salesman. Exaggeration is part of the personality of a good salesman. It's much different than saying Obamacare will lower insurance prices or Iraq had wmd's.
Good job pede.
Trump is fully aware the major news media in the US is completely partisan, controlled by the same Oligarchy that controls politics. They are part of the swamp.
You are on your way to slipping them some red pills fren, congratulations now you can wear your maga hat to family events
If I told my family I was voting Trump. They would all said "No shit, we are too".
Killing Soleimani was good. Moving Israel embassy was good. Restricting central american aid until mexico enforced its borders and sovereignty very good. No more kids in cages, of which all photos were taken during Obama admin.
Moving federal agencies to rural states will open our government to the people and save obscene money. Criminal reform gives nonviolent offenders a second chance. Trade deals agreed by all to be great for american workers. Dems claim credit for them.
Notice how quiet BLM is, race relations going up markedly. Trump is taking on sanctuary cities that under charge violent offenders to prevent deportation.
Joe Biden and others made their families wealthy by selling out our foreign policy. Trump is the first outsider to call it out. He was impeached for pointing to obvious corruption. Not to mention how many people leaked manufactured lies to the willing media, all proven false. Clearly trump scares liars within our unelected government.
Hang in there. My mother didn't speak to me for a year when I voted for Reagan for his second term. She is now a huge Trump fan.
Trump ignores the media? Trump gives more press time to CNN, MSNBC than any other politician ever.
How is he not transparent? He doesn't even eat two scoops of ice cream without the media screaming it the whole world over.
He hasn't given the press the deference they usually get from the president and the White House staff. The press has done nothing to deserve that deference in 2 decades (or more).
I agree Trump is very transparent. My family, as primarily MSM consumers don't see it yet.
Thank you for fact checking me! I will go read more, and understand better.
Seems like you are getting it. Congrats. :)
You are absolutely right about the lies vs. exaggeration distinction. It's a classic deal-making tactic.
Say/Call for something outrageous or extreme, so that when you negotiate, the end product is closer to the middle (which is where you originally wanted to be). That way, you get all or most of what you want, in exchange for giving up things that you never actually wanted.